It's pisses me off that they give validation for taking photos without any permission and on top of that post…
Seriously...do you actually believe that having your photo taken without permission is the equivalent of being sexually violated/fucked/beaten/coerced/whatever raped against your will?
How about YOU write these glorious stories of the LGBTQ community, work hard to get them produced and distributed and reap the acclaim that will naturally come your way? Meanwhile, you can cease watching Boys Love shows that have for the most part never pretended to be anything other than what they are. All of the elements you list in your comment, and many more, are staples of the Yaoii/manga/BL novel universe and always have been. So stop fucking watching them.
SOMETHING about them draws you in and keeps you watching. I suspect it is largely the very tropes you are bitching about. There really is, in psychological terms, such a thing as "projection." It is revealing in the extreme that you are 16 episodes into a series you claim is far below your standards for gay story-telling, unworthy of your attention, and yet HERE. YOU. ARE. STILL. WATCHING.
Your last sentence is incoherent so I won't try to respond to it. But love takes many forms, many of them unconventional. Don't like it? Don't read it. Don't watch it. Don't bitch about it.
There are things in this particular drama that make me go "eh?", and that was one of them.To play devil's advocate,…
Well, since you're so above it all and on a completely different, much elevated level of intellect from the rest of us, that renders you impervious to the low-brow vulgarities of this particular series, one wonders why you're still watching it 16 episodes in.
Then, on the other hand, "My brain hurt too much in that scene trying to make myself not feel uncomfortable about that moment" sounds like you were in a fairly "thought-provoking" level of "uncomfortable" to me. If a person describes their brain as in physical pain and recalls a struggle to remain comfortable while watching a scene, others might be forgiven for concluding that person was quite engaged and challenged by it.
So why are you back-tracking now and attempting to come off as beyond the reach of this trashy little show up there on your lofty perch of arrogant remove?
I don't get it in regard to the "ghost." What is that referencing?
Oh wow...can't believe you caught that reference from that long ago. I saw that movie when it was fairly new and remember the pottery scene clearly. Very intense. Thanks for sharing that.
I agree about Mom, but not much else. Too often "progressive" ends up meaning PC, sex-less and boring. We have…
What exact "dark themes" are you talking about here and why do you feel they were "thrown in" as a trope as opposed to being a basic premise of the story that is an obstacle to the happiness and togetherness of one of the main couples?
Wow. You're a natural. You should seek a job as a censor for the Mainland China thought-police. They'd love having someone like you on board.
How about instead of leaping to the place where we're cutting things from the script, how about examining your reaction. WHY did the statement you mention "not sit well with you?" EXACTLY why? Are the reasons behind your reaction valid upon examination?
How, exactly, is it "creepy?" What about it bugs you? WHY does it bug you? Is there something truly inherently sick, twisted or wrong about it? If so, exactly what are those things? Have you thought your reaction through and examined it? Or are you reacting from the gut due to social "norms" that may not really apply here?
There are things in this particular drama that make me go "eh?", and that was one of them.To play devil's advocate,…
I'm a broken record, but so are many of the comments here: "unsettling" is an excellent thing for a drama to be to its audience. Unsettling means emotions have been stirred,assumptions have been challenged, questions have been asked. How is that a bad thing in a drama?
There are things in this particular drama that make me go "eh?", and that was one of them.To play devil's advocate,…
Discomfort is good. Discomfort is drama...if nothing else, it makes you think things out about the topic that's bugging you, as you did in this comment. Stories in which you're entirely comfortable the entire way through sound very boring to me.
For Pete's sake, what's going on in the mind of a person who think the sentence "I want you as my brother AND…
XS and YJ are in love and they are step brothers. Those are just the facts and XS has come to accept them as such without judging himself for it because of narrow-minded societal attitudes. So they are step-brothers. Why is that necessarily a negative? Why do they have to freak out about it? lol I keep forgetting to mention here, but I have before, that my own son married his four-year younger than him step sister ten years ago. They are not blood related and they have a great relationship, so as I write this out I'm thinking...exactly what is it that people like you have a problem with?
Should XS pretend that YJ was NOT his younger step-brother for ten years or whatever? That doesn't seem healthy. To me, his statement was extremely healthy and self-accepting. "This is unusual, but this is the way it is, and I'm going with it" seems like a very liberating and healthy attitude to me.
When I first started watching Asian dramas, I had a lot of western mindset to get over and it was all good. But…
I agree about Mom, but not much else. Too often "progressive" ends up meaning PC, sex-less and boring. We have enough prudes trying censor what we watch from the right side of the political divide,do we really need them coming at us from the left too? BL/Yaoii has always featured dark sexual themes. they're baked into the genre; not in every case but in many and I like it that way. Dark themes make good, intense drama.
The twisted mother here seems to be a gay-friendly delight in most every other way, which makes her support for what her younger son did that much more odd. I had thought she knew in general that YJ was going to use booze to get XS to confess but she made it pretty clear in this ep that she knew EVERYTHING...and that's pretty...weird. If I were a writer I would have written XS' subsequent reaction as more surprised/shocked than it was. He seemed to take it pretty damn easily. lol But she did go out of her way to apologize for what she and her son had done and made it clear to him that he did not OWE them forgiveness. She even stopped him from offering it then and there in their conversation and urged him to take his time and really think it through. XS chose to do as she suggested and that is left in the air.
For fuck's sake, the script is MOCKING the shippers and making them look as ridiculous as they are in real life.…
You have no idea how unintentionally hilarious this comment is, because you had no way of knowing that in reality I am most likely older than the dirt you walk on when you go outside. lol :D That said, thank you for making my day in believing me to be a young person, especially in the way I write. I hope I die before I become an old fart whose age you can determine by their writing style and attitudes/beliefs. hahaha
When I get older and more mature I will be dead, so this is pretty much it.
Please consider the possibility that when anyone, regardless of age, says "you just don't get it. You will get it when you mature," they are admitting they have lost the battle or have nothing more of value to add.
It's pisses me off that they give validation for taking photos without any permission and on top of that post…
"maybe you don't understand english?" That's pretty rich coming from someone who quite obviously has a tenuous grasp of the English language themselves. What is your first language?
I don't recall you making any point about public vs. private property. You just whined in general about taking peoples' pics without consent. For myself, I can't get real excited about a few Fujoshis taking pics of guys they ship, on any kind of property. You think it's a big deal. Fine. If it's illegal in a given locality and shippers take pics of some dudes then the dudes can go after them through the cops, correct? That's what normally happens when the law is violated. So there is a procedure to follow in cases where it's illegal, right?
I'm sure the laws vary widely depending on where you are. You tend to present this issue as though the laws are the same everywhere. In the case of Pi and Mork specifically, Mork doesn't care about the pictures and Pi, who was actually being very kind to the shippers in asking them to stop, could have walked over and smashed their camera. But then HE'D be breaking the law, I'd assume, depending on what the laws are in that location.
Meanwhile, series and movies routinely feature murder, rape, kidnapping, extortion, robbery, torture, spying, and many other crimes. Are you on Internet comment boards complaining about those kind of crimes being used as plot points? If not, why not? Fujoshi picture-taking pales in severity next to double-homicide, wouldn't' you agree?
As for how much I do or do not "care so much," I guess replying to comments here with which I disagree on topics that matter to me is kind of a hobby. I work for myself, take breaks when I please, and after a new episosde of a show I'm watching comes out I like to log on and yell back and forth at people like you. There are a lot worse things people do with their time.
It's pisses me off that they give validation for taking photos without any permission and on top of that post…
I think it's important to push back against SJW, PC-police, censor-happy people like you. I am a visual artist as well as an actor and singer. People like you need to be confronted at every opportunity. I do my little part by answering your comments here, kind of like you answer mine.
Tan was not Janes boyfriend they were collegues. That's the thing about a murder Mystery don't believe everything…
OK, so they were colleagues...do you see your familiar colleague/acquaintance laying/sitting in front of you freshly dead as a door-nail/murdered and have almost zero reaction, then just say well, I'm off to work? THAT is the behavior of a sociopath with zero empathy for anyone outside himself. Is Tan a sociopath? To me, that line and his behavior in that scene was included for the sole reason of raising suspicion in his direction, but it did so in a very amateur way. Even if Tan is not the murderer, who wants to hang around with a sociopathic asshole?
Why would Tul's character, who is a decent guy apparently, have any interest in that dude after seeing how he acted? BTW, I still don't buy Tul's character's reaction to the dead/murdered Jane's body lying in front of him. Yes, yes, I'm supposed to believe he just sucked it up and proceeded with the examination of the scene and the body as if he didn't know her, but we also saw him space out, hesitate, and in other ways display the fact that he was not able to do his job in that situation to a professional level. The professional thing to do would have been to admit that he knew her instead of lying about it, that he was not able to proceed and turn the inspection over to someone else. That's what a professional would do.
I know all about watching murder/mysteries and how to be suspicious of everything. However, I would prefer to watch a well-made, well-written, professional-level murder mystery instead of this one, which feels like maybe a senior high-school theatre equivalent of a murder mystery, written by the students.
It's pisses me off that they give validation for taking photos without any permission and on top of that post…
Please seek psychiatric help. Please stop watching BLs. They are not meant for you...unless you derive pleasure from bitching about fundamental elements of the genre, even as you continue to watch, which lots of people here do.
I don't need gmmtv to care about me, they're just trying to make $$$, like all corporations do. If you don't like what they're selling, stop buying it.
Normally, if I don't like something a company makes, I don't buy it. You though...you keep coming back for more. Wonder why that is...
How about YOU write these glorious stories of the LGBTQ community, work hard to get them produced and distributed and reap the acclaim that will naturally come your way? Meanwhile, you can cease watching Boys Love shows that have for the most part never pretended to be anything other than what they are. All of the elements you list in your comment, and many more, are staples of the Yaoii/manga/BL novel universe and always have been. So stop fucking watching them.
SOMETHING about them draws you in and keeps you watching. I suspect it is largely the very tropes you are bitching about. There really is, in psychological terms, such a thing as "projection." It is revealing in the extreme that you are 16 episodes into a series you claim is far below your standards for gay story-telling, unworthy of your attention, and yet HERE. YOU. ARE. STILL. WATCHING.
Your last sentence is incoherent so I won't try to respond to it. But love takes many forms, many of them unconventional. Don't like it? Don't read it. Don't watch it. Don't bitch about it.
Then, on the other hand, "My brain hurt too much in that scene trying to make myself not feel uncomfortable about that moment" sounds like you were in a fairly "thought-provoking" level of "uncomfortable" to me. If a person describes their brain as in physical pain and recalls a struggle to remain comfortable while watching a scene, others might be forgiven for concluding that person was quite engaged and challenged by it.
So why are you back-tracking now and attempting to come off as beyond the reach of this trashy little show up there on your lofty perch of arrogant remove?
Just asking...
How about instead of leaping to the place where we're cutting things from the script, how about examining your reaction. WHY did the statement you mention "not sit well with you?" EXACTLY why? Are the reasons behind your reaction valid upon examination?
Should XS pretend that YJ was NOT his younger step-brother for ten years or whatever? That doesn't seem healthy. To me, his statement was extremely healthy and self-accepting. "This is unusual, but this is the way it is, and I'm going with it" seems like a very liberating and healthy attitude to me.
The twisted mother here seems to be a gay-friendly delight in most every other way, which makes her support for what her younger son did that much more odd. I had thought she knew in general that YJ was going to use booze to get XS to confess but she made it pretty clear in this ep that she knew EVERYTHING...and that's pretty...weird. If I were a writer I would have written XS' subsequent reaction as more surprised/shocked than it was. He seemed to take it pretty damn easily. lol But she did go out of her way to apologize for what she and her son had done and made it clear to him that he did not OWE them forgiveness. She even stopped him from offering it then and there in their conversation and urged him to take his time and really think it through. XS chose to do as she suggested and that is left in the air.
Very interesting, though.
When I get older and more mature I will be dead, so this is pretty much it.
Please consider the possibility that when anyone, regardless of age, says "you just don't get it. You will get it when you mature," they are admitting they have lost the battle or have nothing more of value to add.
Thanks again!
I don't recall you making any point about public vs. private property. You just whined in general about taking peoples' pics without consent. For myself, I can't get real excited about a few Fujoshis taking pics of guys they ship, on any kind of property. You think it's a big deal. Fine. If it's illegal in a given locality and shippers take pics of some dudes then the dudes can go after them through the cops, correct? That's what normally happens when the law is violated. So there is a procedure to follow in cases where it's illegal, right?
I'm sure the laws vary widely depending on where you are. You tend to present this issue as though the laws are the same everywhere. In the case of Pi and Mork specifically, Mork doesn't care about the pictures and Pi, who was actually being very kind to the shippers in asking them to stop, could have walked over and smashed their camera. But then HE'D be breaking the law, I'd assume, depending on what the laws are in that location.
Meanwhile, series and movies routinely feature murder, rape, kidnapping, extortion, robbery, torture, spying, and many other crimes. Are you on Internet comment boards complaining about those kind of crimes being used as plot points? If not, why not? Fujoshi picture-taking pales in severity next to double-homicide, wouldn't' you agree?
As for how much I do or do not "care so much," I guess replying to comments here with which I disagree on topics that matter to me is kind of a hobby. I work for myself, take breaks when I please, and after a new episosde of a show I'm watching comes out I like to log on and yell back and forth at people like you. There are a lot worse things people do with their time.
Why would Tul's character, who is a decent guy apparently, have any interest in that dude after seeing how he acted? BTW, I still don't buy Tul's character's reaction to the dead/murdered Jane's body lying in front of him. Yes, yes, I'm supposed to believe he just sucked it up and proceeded with the examination of the scene and the body as if he didn't know her, but we also saw him space out, hesitate, and in other ways display the fact that he was not able to do his job in that situation to a professional level. The professional thing to do would have been to admit that he knew her instead of lying about it, that he was not able to proceed and turn the inspection over to someone else. That's what a professional would do.
I know all about watching murder/mysteries and how to be suspicious of everything. However, I would prefer to watch a well-made, well-written, professional-level murder mystery instead of this one, which feels like maybe a senior high-school theatre equivalent of a murder mystery, written by the students.
I don't need gmmtv to care about me, they're just trying to make $$$, like all corporations do. If you don't like what they're selling, stop buying it.
Normally, if I don't like something a company makes, I don't buy it. You though...you keep coming back for more. Wonder why that is...
Sweet Jesus.