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Loved this guy as Glenn in Quaranthings. He somehow pulled off the difficult job of portraying an arrogant douche with a good heart. lol Good actor. Plus, yeah...hot.

Of course it's your opinion and you've every right to it. I'm just trying to understand what it is ABOUT the kiss that disturbed you. WHY it was cringy to you. Like someone telling me they dislike a painting that I love. It would be natural of me to ask what it is about the painting that they do not like...are you not able to put your reaction to the kiss into words?

What is it you keep imagining that I am "repeating?" Where do I say, in any of my comments, that I "think everyone has the same opinion as..." me? I never came close to saying any such thing. You keep making shit up that you imagine I wrote and then quoting me as if I really said it. Jesus.

Why am I so sure...? About what? About my opinions? I don't know, I guess because I think them out and I believe what I am saying is well-reasoned and valid. Why does anyone express an opinion unless they're fairly sure of it?

Please work on your English comprehension skills. Maybe that's the problem: You are misreading what I write. That would explain a lot.

My lands, this series has wrecked me. lol I started off with zero expectations, only choosing it because it's one of the few new-ish BLs I hadn't already watched. Then I spent the first two eps alternately liking and disliking it. Then round about ep 3 I began to get sucked in and after that Quaranthings totally had its way with me. I have a few qualms here and there, but wow, I don't know that I've ever spent at LEAST half the run-time of a series with tears running down my face, both of sadness and happiness, and sometimes simply of empathy and identification. I suppose I should put this in a review space, as there is so much I want to say, but somehow this little, unassuming BL is now an easy fave on my all-time list and I'm eager to see where it goes in a second season.

Great acting from the two leads, but I am most impressed with Royce Cabrera. From straight-seeming, aloof, mysterious typical jock to vulnerable, sympathetic, adorable, wounded and ultimately very brave angel with abs, he took me on a journey with Rocky that I thoroughly enjoyed. My favorite light moment from the series is Rocky taking off his shirt to flaunt his beautiful bod and working out on the floor right in front of Judah and Glenn as a shameless means of competing for Judah's attentions and affections. I laughed out loud. So fucking cute.

I even enjoyed Glenn and the actor who played him. Like every other character in this show, he was imperfect but I feel like even he has a good heart under all that arrogance and presumption. Plus, I found his facial features to be fascinating: both beautiful and handsome with cheekbones to spare.

There were many times I thought the plot was headed one way and then it went another, unexpected route. That alone is a sure sign of some well thought-out writing and conception work. Bravo to the writing team. Every single character was flawed/imperfect/struggling, like, you know, real humans. I loved that about this show. Lots of gray areas, just like in real life. I was so frustrated at times with Rocky's seeming cowardice and yet I felt and understood where he was coming from every step of the way. What a great performance.

I think of Kyo as being really good as Judah, but there were a few times I think the director let him slip too far from raw emoting into unattractive histrionics. But overall that's a quibble and the director should have taken care of that.

I'm going to end up giving this series a 9, which is rare for me. I loved it and recommend it to everyone. I watched it in two binges, but wish I could have done so in one. It's that kind of show. Especially grateful for the ending, which I thought was going to be left one way, and yet again surprised me with another unforeseen development.

Finally, I have to say that the most god-awful and glaring flaw in the show is that unspeakably hideous plastic floral arrangement stuck onto some kind of metal grid hanging on the wall behind the dark blue couch. Every time I saw it I either laughed or threw up a little in my mouth. The art above the old, worn couch was bizarre too; the piece in the middle looked like a deformed, erect penis. lol But I quibble...

BRAVO. I am in love with Royce Cabrera, a totally committed, brave and authentic actor.

I did. Now how about you tell us exactly what was "cringy" about that kiss to you?

Oh Polina...come clean: You LOVE the hot brother-on-brother thing, don't you. It's ok...we're all here to support you.

Thanks for sharing that. Just goes to indicate that a lot of these crazy SJWs who have a love/hate relationship with BL go around commenting in ways intended to influence the way certain shows they claim to disapprove of are perceived, and if that means planting false info, then so be it. Kind of pathetic.

You just know polinaelectric totally gets off on the hot brother-on-brother action but hates themself for it so skitters around comment threads trying to redeem themselves for the sin they're committing in their head. lol That's my amateur shrink's take on it, anyway. :D

Oh...NOW I remember that very first scene and I get the full-circle aspect of it. BUT...I also remember thinking when that scene began, "yikes, this is some pretty bad acting..." And if you think back, where, exactly in the story were the two of them beside a pool arguing about the kiss? It seems kind of random...I guess I feel like it could have been set up a lot more clearly.

Well, another one has taken me by surprise. First "Second Chance" impressed the hell out of me and now this little thing made it onto my computer screen and I am pleasantly surprised to say that I am quite enjoying it so far, which is to the end of episode 5.

The acting is very good from both young men, but I'm especially moved by what Royce Cabrera is doing with the character of Rocky, though I'm annoyed about one choice as seen in the paragraph below. He could easily have been a jock stock-character, and Royce has made him the opposite of that. The story is mostly well-written too, which of course makes a huge difference. I'm not happy about where it's headed right now, but that's fine, I don't think I'm supposed to be happy right now.

One sore point for me: In 2021 I find it really difficult to completely buy into a gay love story in which the lead actors will not actually kiss. It was so distracting when Rocky went in for the smooch and then did the old, crusty BL head-dodge down and to the side so their lips wouldn't actually touch. I mean come on, these are near grown-ass young men who are being paid as professionals to portray characters in a specific situation, which requires kissing. If they won't do it, and I was the director, I would have found that out at auditions and chosen someone else. There are plenty of talented young actors out there who aren't homophobes or too self-conscious to commit to a script. I was right there with them in that scene and when Cabrera did the lip-dodge it took me right out of it. I can't believe the director was OK with that.

I'll keep watching, but I lost a lot of respect for the actors and the project at that point. The lip-dodge is something I have NEVER seen outside of BL-world and certainly not in any straight-themed series or film. It's silly and ridiculous.

Yeah, I haven't gone back to look at the first episode, but it seems I recall him getting pushed in the water, right? The ending under-water kiss was pretty, but that particular metaphor's been done about a hundred and fifty times, eh? Oh well...not enough of a hiccup to spoil my enjoyment of what was otherwise an excellently-acted series. I just wish they'd had the budget to match the talent.

I hope to see more of all four of the primary actors.

Wonderful comment. Thanks for sharing. You gave me some additional perspectives to consider. I agree with you about LC being the sweetest/kindest/most giving. I think he will flip for MR in a second. I think he'd look at it as an adventure! :D Which is really cool given that we started the series with him as a straight, womanizing, overbearing douche bag. lol

As for XS and YJ, I thought XS made it clear to his roommates the next morning after the hotel incident that he and YJ had had full-on intercourse and XS was the "O." Am I wrong?

They "disapprove" what? Do you seriously believe ALL Chinese and Taiwanese fans think the same way and have the same reaction to the elements of this story?

"Problematic." lol Dead-giveaway SJW cliche term. Cuts no ice with me. You see, Hannah, just like a thousand OTHER commenters on this thread, I do not believe XS was raped. That's YOUR interpretation but apparently you believe you have a secret decoder magnifying glass that determines the one and only, problematic, way to look at the situation. I'm not going to rehash because this has been gone over a thousand times in this thread. And here you are, all this time later, yelling at people IN ALL CAPS! as if doing that somehow makes your POV valid.

YJ already redeemed himself with me, not for the rape which never happened, but for the dishonesty. Which means the irredeemable crime exists only in YOUR head; you don't control what goes on in mine or anyone else's. Is that really news to you?

I do have one teensy question for you: If XS was "blackout drunk" then how did he remember what happened almost as soon as he woke up, and the rest of it after he got home and talked to his roommates? He wasn't blackout drunk. He answered questions from YJ clearly and coherently. He knew who he was. He told him he loved him. He responded sexually. I've been blackout drunk. THAT is not blackout drunk.

Curious: What skin do you have in this game? Why is it so desperately important to you to believe that XS was raped? XS doesn't think he was raped. He's over it and you're screaming at people on the Internet weeks later. Are you on other threads screaming at people about alleged murders, robberies, kidnappings, tortures, etc.? What is it about this SEXUAL incident that really bothers you?

It was a hot, hot, hot scene and many others agree. Too bad you can't be in on the fun.

BTW, you know this didn't happen IRL, right?

Just finished the finale: WOW

On edit: KUDOS to ALL the actors for letting us in on some realistic, fully felt, guy-on-guy kissing. No mannequin kisses or spinning cameras here! Hooray for lip on lip, open-mouth, occasional tongue stuff...that's how REAL people kiss. :D

This series took me completely by surprise. I think someone mentioned it off-hand to me in comments on another series thread. I expected nothing, which is actually a good state of mind to enter any new series or movie in, but this, especially given its status as a BL, has blown me out of my seat. I am so happy to have found Second Chance.

Across the board, some of the best, truest, bravest, most committed acting I have seen in any BL and I've seen a lot of them, is included in this show. To me, Tong/Paper is the most talented/authentic of the six leads, but really, if you argued with me for any of the others to take that spot I wouldn't really argue back. :D They were all superb.

For shear chemistry, character development, inter-character development, love, happiness and joy, Chris and Jeno are my number one couple. There is DEFINITELY enough chemistry, talent and charm between the two of them to more than hold their own as the center couple of another series. I would love to see that. I smiled and cried like a nut-case during each of their scenes in this final episode. I adore the way Chris BEAMS with joy when he sees in Jeno's face and eyes that his love is returned. And Jeno is the definition of shy-but-ecstatic in his last interactions here with Chris. Who would ever have thought that those two balls-out crazy dorm roommates next to Tharn and Type in TT could play this relationship as two completely different characters and pull it off so beautifully? Of course, even in TT their natural chemistry was evident. Sigh.

Paper and Fah: To me Tong is the best natural actor but Fluke held his own and seemed totally authentic as Fah. When he lay on his bed crying after Paper panicked and ran following that first amazing kiss, my heart broke for him. And in their final roof scene in this episode, when he teared up as he gathered his strength to ask that big question, I remembered his earlier tears of heartbreak and how beautifully contrasted they now were with his tears of happiness.

And finally, Paper and Fah to me enacted the best, most powerful and most pivotal scene of any in this series with absolute perfection: Their drinking, dancing, kissing scene in Fah's bedroom seemed utterly real and relaxed and actual. It was as though I was watching through the window as two real people lived those events. I act part-time for fun and I felt like that scene and many others throughout Second Chance were a free workshop on how to do it right. They weren't ACTING, they were BEING, with utmost courage in baring themselves to the camera and the audience. Just..perfect.

Oh and Arthur: His character was short-changed in this brief series, but the actor did a tremendous job of letting us watch his character evolve from a wounded douche bag to a heart-broken but better man. Even in his early scenes you could sense that Arthur wasn't a one-dimensional bully stock character. The actor gave him layers.

As I entered the world of BL just about a year ago, I never thought I'd be writing things like this about some silly Thai BL romance starring people decades younger than I. I am so happy to say that I was utterly clueless and terribly ignorant.

BRAVO TO CAST, DIRECTOR, WRITERS AND CREW! WELL DONE!

lol...you actually wrote "photo without permission = rape." After that, I can't take anything you write the least bit seriously, and I'm sure a lot of other people can't either. And your demand that I reveal my real name and face on this board or any other is just bizarre. How about, since you are such a person "of your word," you do that for the rest of us first? lol

Exactly what was "cringy" about it to you? "Cringy" is another BL-World buzz-word cliche that is being used as if it has some clear, precise meaning that EVERYONE agrees on. That kiss may have made YOU cringe, but lots of people here LOVED it.

Perhaps it's because you have sexual hang-ups that could use looking into. Different people have different reactions to the same things. Drama would be boring without that fact.

Beautifully stated.

Well, the truth is they ENJOY bitching about the things they claim to disdain (while likely totally getting off on those things at the same time) and they wouldn't be able to keep doing that if they stopped watching. :D I've stopped watching a number of BLs for various reasons. I don't go on those shows' comment boards and complain about the content either.

About this BODY SHAMING silliness in regard to the commenters, myself included, who have mentioned the fact that while Anson Chen is gorgeous and perfect as WR, his weight is clearly alarmingly low and it would be a great idea for him to eat a few cheeseburgers now and again. These statements have been denounced by a few SJWs below as BODY SHAMING.

I think Chen looks stunning and exactly right for the character in this series. There have been a number of scenes in which he appeared to be cut right out of the pages of a Yaoii graphic novel, a Yaoii drawing brought to life and placed in a drama. However, no honest person can deny that, especially in the bath tub scene at the hotel with LC after he'd been drugged, that he appeared to be alarmingly, unhealthily thin to the point of emaciated. That was one of the scenes in which I thought "my god, he looks like a Yaoii drawing." He had even posed himself in the manner those drawings are often rendered. From an artistic viewpoint, it was perfect and amazing. I also thought, however, that given the old adage that the camera ADDS ten pounds or so, he must be scary-skinny in real life. It was at that point I felt concern for his health.

BODY SHAMING is just one of the more recent Social Justice Warrior code labels/terms for "shut the fuck up and deny reality." Originally, and very briefly, BODY SHAMING referred to assholes, mostly on the Internet who would post pictures of celebrities or people in their own life, mostly women, accompanied by horrible comments like "you are a fat, disgusting pig. You should kill yourself" or "you are so fucking skinny I can't see you when you turn sideways. Why don't you go ahead and starve to death? No one would miss you." THAT, my friends, is BODY SHAMING.

What is NOT BODY SHAMING is calling attention to the fact that a person is alarmingly overweight or underweight and that as a result their very life is in danger, or their health in general would be improved if they gained or lost a few pounds. Nor do I think it is BODY SHAMING to observe that,, from an artistic perspective, a performer's work would be improved by the addition or subtraction of a certain amount of weight. Dancers move more gracefully and express choreography more fully when they are not carrying excess weight. Fashion models simply look more elegant and carry clothing more smoothly if there are not rolls of fat stretching the fabric. If you disagree, that is fine, but my observation that clothing cut to look a particular way cannot be appealingly displayed on an overweight body is simply a fact in my opinion and I have every right to express it without it being twisted into some kind of personal attack on a specific model or body type. I don't want anyone to stop living or having a pleasant life because they are overweight, I just wouldn't want them modeling my clothing line...if I had one, that is.

The problems begin, as with almost everything, when extremes are applied. A person who is ten pounds over what someone else imagines to be a perfect weight is denounced as "obese" and they are a cow and should end their life to spare us all the sight of them. Someone who is slightly underweight is called skeletal and accused of puking up every meal. Those are unarguably nasty things to think and say. BUT...the human body, in general, is designed to, and functions most effectively, between, rough boundaries of too much and too little weight. That is simply a fact. It is not BODY SHAMING to acknowledge that fact.

I also have no doubt that BODY SHAMING is used relentlessly within entertainment industries all around the world to enforce unhealthy physical standards on their artists. That enforcement leads to emotional/psychological disaster. It seems to be the worst times ten within the worlds of K-Pop and K-drama. It's no accident Korean performers drop like flies from suicide.

But as with everything else, SJWs begin to apply a term with a specific meaning pertaining to specific parameters of health and appearance to EVERYTHING that they can possibly think of to object to as a source for their hurt feelings. Naturally it doesn't take much time for the term to lose all meaning and become a joke.

People who weigh 700 pounds are done no favors by either those who denigrate them nor those who seek to normalize such a physical condition as somehow acceptable from a medical or aesthetic position. Same is true in reverse for those who are 50 pounds underweight. These peoples' lives are in danger, they are often mentally ill, and they need help.

While BODY SHAMING has already become a cliche accusation, it is also true that societies throughout history employ "shaming" of all kinds to enforce everything from healthy standards of physical well-being to what is accepted as the latest fad in clothing or hair styles. Athletes are shamed when they miss easy lay ups or drop a sure touchdown pass. Actors are shamed when they forget a line of dialogue. People are shamed every day in a million different ways. Some of it is natural and beneficial to society and some of it is bullshit and purely hateful. Almost everything in life is some shade of gray. It's up to us to delineate those shades, evaluate them and either adjust them, reject them or use them as is.

Anson Chen is facially beautiful. He has a long, slender neck that is right out of a fashion illustration, with a jawline to match. He is also remarkably underweight for his height and it might be a cause for medical concern. That's up to him and his doctor to decide. A random commenter on a comment thread who mentions any of the former is simply stating the obvious and has every right to do so.

By the way, American singer Billie Eilish, who has long covered herself in burlap bags and saggy-sack pants to avoid being "objectified" and "body shamed" , is on the latest cover of Vogue magazine looking like a sex siren from the 1950s. She will undoubtedly be subjected to both as a result. Good for her. Who gives a f**k what people say?