Well, I don't know much about this. But can't we use TXN's new photos from the photoshoot (the one with the white shirt and black pants, where he's looking straight at you) to give him a new profile pic? As far as I can see, it meets the requirements, and I think it would be worthy of a profile pic š But I have no idea how to change that...
I meanā¦ ppl can like and dislike what they want but calling ppl vanilla and snowflake cuz they canāt handle…
I fully support your comment!
I also think that BL has evolved beyond its niche and hope that newer works will become more representative. For this, I think it's important that gay men point out when something isn't true to reality or when they feel objectified by the genre. Only then will it continue to evolve and will also broaden the perspectives of some women who may view BL for other reasons.
I also stumbled into the genre more by chance. Mainly because I was bored by the portrayal of heteronormative relationships in Asian series. Often, the women slip into stereotypical roles once they meet the ML. That's why I've dropped Chinese dramas, for example.
In BL, I was hoping to see more relationships on equal terms. And now I'm here, with some really great stories and some that leave me frowning. I love drifting through series into discussions like the ones that have unfolded here under the OP. Unfortunately, I also see a lot of superficial, sometimes almost homophobic, discussions. And even though I try to broaden perspectives, communicate, and take clear positions, I don't want to presume to speak on behalf of gay men. As a woman, I simply lack knowledge on some issues. Therefore, I value both the exchange with these men (and the BL audience in general) and the intercultural exchange.
I have to honestly say, I think it's really good that the BL audience is no longer primarily represented by women. Your assessment makes me positive. Personally, I can imagine a certain subgenre emerging within BL where women are more likely to see the original concept, and the BL genre itself becomes more representative of more authentic gay stories.
Personally, I see Japan at the forefront in terms of storytelling. They're creative and not afraid to tackle more "adult" themes. However, I do see some catching up to do with the intimate scenes, which often seem unnatural. South Korea has caught up somewhat in the depiction of natural intimate scenes.
Oh dear, my comments have now become unintentionally very long. I'm also interested in: - Which series do you consider successful, or which series would you say achieved a more representative representation? - Which representations would you say are a no-go? - How do you feel about morally questionable representations?
is there any love triangle ? cuz imma watch this later š
In the broadest sense, there are two love triangles. One is WSW - his ex-girlfriend - CC, and the other CC - his ex-boyfriend - WSW. But in the narrower sense, they aren't really love triangles, since the ex-partners obviously don't really play a role in the MLs' hearts. They play more of a role in "processing and letting go of old feelings/hurts."
I meanā¦ ppl can like and dislike what they want but calling ppl vanilla and snowflake cuz they canāt handle…
I find your comments on point and agree with them. It occurs to me that I also usually view BLs from my artistic perspective.
Personally, I also think the scene should have been omitted, as it's meant to serve as a character description, but such a scene wasn't necessary for CCs character description. Furthermore, in my opinion, it doesn't fit the overall impression the series conveys. If this scene were to appear in a thriller, it would be more appropriate than in a drama characterized by a certain lightness and humor. Would CC's character be different if the scene were omitted? No. Therefore, it serves no purpose other than to polarize. And now I'm wondering if that wasn't precisely the point of including this scene. Because people talk about it. The series gets attention because of it. I read a very interesting comment on Reddit from a native Chinese speaker who wrote about CJD, among other things. "She's been known in Chinese fandom circles for using drama, manipulation, and controversy to gain attention." And when I look beyond the broadcast and see the discussions and issues that arose, it fits the picture well. Since then, I've thought the scene was added to polarize. (Even though I know the source material was far more problematic.)
I also think it's good that you point out that rape fantasies can be a kink for women without them wanting to experience it in real life. When the episodes were airing recently and the discussions surrounding them were heated, I considered raising this argument. However, due to the emotional nature of the topic, I decided against it, fearing that if I made a factual argument, I would be bombarded with accusations/condemnations, even if they weren't my own views. (I've experienced quite a few things like this on MDL in discussions like this.)
And that brings us back to a core aspect of the BL genre. Namely, that it was originally a niche, written by women for women. Often, one man was described in such a way that he could easily be replaced by a female protagonist. BLs thus served multiple fantasies. And this raises the question: Shouldn't the living out of fantasies be allowed in a protected environment that doesn't physically harm anyone? At the same time, the question arises as to whether this doesn't cause emotional harm to homosexual people, as they are often objectified and portrayed in a way that doesn't necessarily reflect reality? And related to this is the question of how the BL genre should develop as it becomes increasingly popular? Some want to continue to serve their niche. Others want a more adequate portrayal of same-sex partnerships without fetishization. And how humorously can certain things be portrayed? These are all questions that are not easy to answer because, in my opinion, the genre is approached from different angles.
Personally, I wish for a more authentic portrayal without the fetishization of gay men. It breaks my heart when I read in comment sections things like, "The actor isn't hot enough" and "In real life, such a handsome man would never fall in love with such a short man." (And these are the more harmless statements) However, I've also had interesting discussions in which I was advised to strictly separate LGBTQ+ and BL series.
Please excuse the long explanation. But your comments have inspired me to expand on my thoughts. I feel like I have the space to do so here. And I don't often find discussions that become more complex as they progress. Thank you for that!
I meanā¦ ppl can like and dislike what they want but calling ppl vanilla and snowflake cuz they canāt handle…
So, I can't judge it from a man's perspective.
However, I think the fundamental problem is that a woman probably describes the situation without the necessary knowledge and may therefore be wrong.
To me, the depiction suggests that they had a lot of sex together, and that it was perhaps a bit rough.
"What if it were a woman that had been banged so hard she was limping around in pain the next day? Still cute? Still romantic?"
I can give you an answer to that: It would be the same. Because it shows a woman who was very sexually active and hopefully had a lot of fun with it. Because there are also women who enjoy long-lasting sex and like it rougher. They can have sex until walking becomes uncomfortable because their intimate area has become very sensitive. And that's exactly the point, which is why I think a woman's perspective was applied to a gay or bisexual man here. And it was probably meant to be funny. Whether it really was is something everyone has to decide for themselves.
So the synopsis didnāt just look familiar for no reason, does this series have some of the goofiness of the…
I haven't read the novel or seen the first version. However, I did laugh heartily at the series. In my opinion, it strikes a good balance between humor and seriousness. Some people don't like Zi Yu's overacting. But honestly, I love it. In the first two episodes, I wasn't really sure where he was going. But from episode 3 onward, he captivated me more and more. He has a wonderful smile, can cry wonderfully, and is really cute and funny as a WSW. CC's humor is subtle, and what amused me most was his gaze, which looked like a hungry animal with its favorite food right in front of its nose and not allowed to eat it. The series is definitely worth watching, because the chemistry between the two is incredible.
It's not fake. This news is also on Weibo's official page, and this kind of news is definitely real, not fake.
You're welcome. I don't know if it's a leak. It doesn't seem impossible to me. We'll see what time brings. But it looks like the actors of ABO Desire have nothing to fear for now, since the series isn't that well-known in the mainland and it's airing before the regulation could possibly come into effect.
It's not fake. This news is also on Weibo's official page, and this kind of news is definitely real, not fake.
Perhaps the following information might be of interest to you regarding the source material:
"As for the reported ban effective Septemberāprohibiting the production of BL dramas for international platforms and barring top actors known for BL roles from participating in television productionsāthis directive did not explicitly appear in the published document. Instead, it was circulated as an internal meeting minute distributed to all senior management within the film and television industry. Several industry journalists with tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of followers subsequently reported this development. Given their verified identities and professional standing, it is highly improbable that they would fabricate government communications."
Someone told me it doesn't mention BL specifically, I can't read Chinese so I am really eager to know,plus does…
Unfortunately, I don't know. But I think Taiwan isn't affected (otherwise, Gagaoolala would be affected too). I also don't know if it's that easy for mainland Chinese to film in Taiwan. I vaguely remember there being a comment about it here. But I don't have enough information about it!
Someone told me it doesn't mention BL specifically, I can't read Chinese so I am really eager to know,plus does…
Yes, I really hope so too š I just hope he can continue to use his talent and refine his craft, and that he gets the opportunity to live his dreams. Let's hope his situation improves!
Someone told me it doesn't mention BL specifically, I can't read Chinese so I am really eager to know,plus does…
Thanks for the explanation!
I was thinking, among other things, of Liu Dong Qin, who acted in a Taiwanese drama but is also a mainland Chinese...
It's interesting that their popularity is the only deciding factor. Because when it came to the ban on the domestic platforms, I initially thought it was a reaction to the attempt to release ABO Desire on those platforms... While the ban on the lead actors is obviously aimed at TXN and Zi Yu. Since, in my opinion, their popularity couldn't be broken by anything else... Hmm, from my perspective, it's hard to understand how they could be a bad role model. But I see where it's coming from. I'm personally less worried about Zi Yu, precisely because he will find his place in music and, from what I've seen, he's someone who always finds a way forward.
TXN strikes me as a very sensitive person whose heart beats for acting. And you complement my picture with your statements. Accordingly, it's the worst thing that could happen to him... But as I said, I hope he finds a way to pursue his passion!
It's not fake. This news is also on Weibo's official page, and this kind of news is definitely real, not fake.
You can probably read about this on the NRTA website under "Announcements." I'm also just looking for a way to officially read the document. However, I trust the person who said it, because they don't write anything they can't back up.
It's not fake. This news is also on Weibo's official page, and this kind of news is definitely real, not fake.
Unfortunately, the link leads nowhere for me. :( You can probably read it under "Announcements" on the site, along with other rather positive decisions. I'll have to see if I can find a way to read the official document. (I trust the person who said this, as they've debunked many rumors, among other things.)
And as I said, I don't know if this will affect the broadcast of ABO Desire, since it's broadcast internationally. I don't want to judge or stir up panic. That's why I'm hiding the comment.
Someone told me it doesn't mention BL specifically, I can't read Chinese so I am really eager to know,plus does…
Yes, I feel incredibly sorry for him too. On the one hand, it's nice that he's getting endorsement deals. But it's sad that his fame is being exploited and he gets nothing out of it. When his heart is in acting, it breaks you. And I have the impression that he's the big loser in this game. Even though, in my opinion, he carries the show the most. It breaks my heart š¢ I really hope he can maybe take on international roles... But only time will tell.
Do you know if actors who were previously leads in a BL will also be restricted in their projects starting in September, or does it affect actors who are active in a BL from that point on?
It's not fake. This news is also on Weibo's official page, and this kind of news is definitely real, not fake.
I've also received confirmation from another one that it's real this time. And this is someone I trust with this information... "It's indeed true that China's National Radio and Television Administration (NRTA) issued a new regulation yesterday (August 18th), which will take effect starting in September. However, the jurisdiction only covers domestic streaming platforms (Tencent Video, iQIYI, Youku, and MangoTV), and does not extend to international platforms."
I can't say whether this will affect ABO Desire. Since it is only broadcast on international platforms. I wish the actors the best and that they don't suffer the same fate as TXN and Zi Yu. They have apparently been banned from appearing in blockbuster TV productions and primetime dramas.
I also think that BL has evolved beyond its niche and hope that newer works will become more representative. For this, I think it's important that gay men point out when something isn't true to reality or when they feel objectified by the genre. Only then will it continue to evolve and will also broaden the perspectives of some women who may view BL for other reasons.
I also stumbled into the genre more by chance. Mainly because I was bored by the portrayal of heteronormative relationships in Asian series. Often, the women slip into stereotypical roles once they meet the ML. That's why I've dropped Chinese dramas, for example.
In BL, I was hoping to see more relationships on equal terms. And now I'm here, with some really great stories and some that leave me frowning. I love drifting through series into discussions like the ones that have unfolded here under the OP. Unfortunately, I also see a lot of superficial, sometimes almost homophobic, discussions. And even though I try to broaden perspectives, communicate, and take clear positions, I don't want to presume to speak on behalf of gay men. As a woman, I simply lack knowledge on some issues. Therefore, I value both the exchange with these men (and the BL audience in general) and the intercultural exchange.
I have to honestly say, I think it's really good that the BL audience is no longer primarily represented by women. Your assessment makes me positive. Personally, I can imagine a certain subgenre emerging within BL where women are more likely to see the original concept, and the BL genre itself becomes more representative of more authentic gay stories.
Personally, I see Japan at the forefront in terms of storytelling. They're creative and not afraid to tackle more "adult" themes. However, I do see some catching up to do with the intimate scenes, which often seem unnatural. South Korea has caught up somewhat in the depiction of natural intimate scenes.
Oh dear, my comments have now become unintentionally very long. I'm also interested in:
- Which series do you consider successful, or which series would you say achieved a more representative representation?
- Which representations would you say are a no-go?
- How do you feel about morally questionable representations?
We had the discussion yesterday.
Look here:
https://kisskh.at/793270-revenged-love#comment-23128078
and here:
https://kisskh.at/793270-revenged-love#comment-23129100
The new rule regarding MLs seems to be aimed directly at them.
Unfortunately. It's very sad :(
It occurs to me that I also usually view BLs from my artistic perspective.
Personally, I also think the scene should have been omitted, as it's meant to serve as a character description, but such a scene wasn't necessary for CCs character description. Furthermore, in my opinion, it doesn't fit the overall impression the series conveys. If this scene were to appear in a thriller, it would be more appropriate than in a drama characterized by a certain lightness and humor.
Would CC's character be different if the scene were omitted? No. Therefore, it serves no purpose other than to polarize. And now I'm wondering if that wasn't precisely the point of including this scene. Because people talk about it. The series gets attention because of it. I read a very interesting comment on Reddit from a native Chinese speaker who wrote about CJD, among other things. "She's been known in Chinese fandom circles for using drama, manipulation, and controversy to gain attention." And when I look beyond the broadcast and see the discussions and issues that arose, it fits the picture well. Since then, I've thought the scene was added to polarize. (Even though I know the source material was far more problematic.)
I also think it's good that you point out that rape fantasies can be a kink for women without them wanting to experience it in real life. When the episodes were airing recently and the discussions surrounding them were heated, I considered raising this argument. However, due to the emotional nature of the topic, I decided against it, fearing that if I made a factual argument, I would be bombarded with accusations/condemnations, even if they weren't my own views. (I've experienced quite a few things like this on MDL in discussions like this.)
And that brings us back to a core aspect of the BL genre. Namely, that it was originally a niche, written by women for women. Often, one man was described in such a way that he could easily be replaced by a female protagonist. BLs thus served multiple fantasies. And this raises the question: Shouldn't the living out of fantasies be allowed in a protected environment that doesn't physically harm anyone? At the same time, the question arises as to whether this doesn't cause emotional harm to homosexual people, as they are often objectified and portrayed in a way that doesn't necessarily reflect reality? And related to this is the question of how the BL genre should develop as it becomes increasingly popular? Some want to continue to serve their niche. Others want a more adequate portrayal of same-sex partnerships without fetishization. And how humorously can certain things be portrayed? These are all questions that are not easy to answer because, in my opinion, the genre is approached from different angles.
Personally, I wish for a more authentic portrayal without the fetishization of gay men. It breaks my heart when I read in comment sections things like, "The actor isn't hot enough" and "In real life, such a handsome man would never fall in love with such a short man." (And these are the more harmless statements) However, I've also had interesting discussions in which I was advised to strictly separate LGBTQ+ and BL series.
Please excuse the long explanation. But your comments have inspired me to expand on my thoughts. I feel like I have the space to do so here. And I don't often find discussions that become more complex as they progress. Thank you for that!
However, I think the fundamental problem is that a woman probably describes the situation without the necessary knowledge and may therefore be wrong.
To me, the depiction suggests that they had a lot of sex together, and that it was perhaps a bit rough.
"What if it were a woman that had been banged so hard she was limping around in pain the next day? Still cute? Still romantic?"
I can give you an answer to that: It would be the same. Because it shows a woman who was very sexually active and hopefully had a lot of fun with it. Because there are also women who enjoy long-lasting sex and like it rougher. They can have sex until walking becomes uncomfortable because their intimate area has become very sensitive. And that's exactly the point, which is why I think a woman's perspective was applied to a gay or bisexual man here. And it was probably meant to be funny. Whether it really was is something everyone has to decide for themselves.
CC's humor is subtle, and what amused me most was his gaze, which looked like a hungry animal with its favorite food right in front of its nose and not allowed to eat it.
The series is definitely worth watching, because the chemistry between the two is incredible.
"As for the reported ban effective Septemberāprohibiting the production of BL dramas for international platforms and barring top actors known for BL roles from participating in television productionsāthis directive did not explicitly appear in the published document. Instead, it was circulated as an internal meeting minute distributed to all senior management within the film and television industry. Several industry journalists with tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of followers subsequently reported this development. Given their verified identities and professional standing, it is highly improbable that they would fabricate government communications."
I was thinking, among other things, of Liu Dong Qin, who acted in a Taiwanese drama but is also a mainland Chinese...
It's interesting that their popularity is the only deciding factor. Because when it came to the ban on the domestic platforms, I initially thought it was a reaction to the attempt to release ABO Desire on those platforms...
While the ban on the lead actors is obviously aimed at TXN and Zi Yu. Since, in my opinion, their popularity couldn't be broken by anything else...
Hmm, from my perspective, it's hard to understand how they could be a bad role model. But I see where it's coming from.
I'm personally less worried about Zi Yu, precisely because he will find his place in music and, from what I've seen, he's someone who always finds a way forward.
TXN strikes me as a very sensitive person whose heart beats for acting. And you complement my picture with your statements. Accordingly, it's the worst thing that could happen to him... But as I said, I hope he finds a way to pursue his passion!
You can probably read it under "Announcements" on the site, along with other rather positive decisions. I'll have to see if I can find a way to read the official document. (I trust the person who said this, as they've debunked many rumors, among other things.)
And as I said, I don't know if this will affect the broadcast of ABO Desire, since it's broadcast internationally. I don't want to judge or stir up panic. That's why I'm hiding the comment.
I really hope he can maybe take on international roles... But only time will tell.
Do you know if actors who were previously leads in a BL will also be restricted in their projects starting in September, or does it affect actors who are active in a BL from that point on?
Thank you in any case for your answers! š
"It's indeed true that China's National Radio and Television Administration (NRTA) issued a new regulation yesterday (August 18th), which will take effect starting in September. However, the jurisdiction only covers domestic streaming platforms (Tencent Video, iQIYI, Youku, and MangoTV), and does not extend to international platforms."
I can't say whether this will affect ABO Desire. Since it is only broadcast on international platforms. I wish the actors the best and that they don't suffer the same fate as TXN and Zi Yu. They have apparently been banned from appearing in blockbuster TV productions and primetime dramas.