InspectorMegre

Seo Rin is THE ONLY SMART PERSON IN THIS DRAMA lol and nothing will move forward until she steps on it

LMAO satire at its best LOL

I vote you for president :) THis is hilariously funny LMAO

Tae Pyung has a "criminal" history - he ran away with JM's college money - was it he or his sister? - stuff like that, did not work until just recently and I doubt it pays any bills.... He is a spoiled brat. WHY? His dad seems like he wouldnt allow it, but he did. The sister also turned criminal and ran away to Vietnam with what money was it... ?

So anyways, Lawyer is not very smart either. How he talks with his mother or JM is not very smart... he is too rash and illogical and emotional... and immature... Lawyer has planted himself in their family bc he is hunting JM for himself... so hangs around to make her like him

Yes indeed, well said.

I am still not sure what the situation was with the lawyer who cheated their spouse - was it her guy in love, or a manipulative coworker? Did she realize she missed and loved HIM, or she realized her husband is not enough for her and any hot guy will turn her on? Her lying and her husbands lying and HER FRIENDS LYING is all very disturbing. Her friends just scolded her for making a mistake, but never asked her to fix it.

So yes, this hypocrisy being framed as empowerment.

and everything else you said.

Thanks, @oppa_ for digging deep to clarify the meta issues

It is ok... This is complex stuff. If you want to make fun of me, then... dont bother :) If you have a question to ask about something that doesnt make sense, then feel free to ask.

@TheGayestGay Somehow your answer sounds so convincing and polite, but is shallow and fails to address what is happening here.
Of all that you mentioned, I watched only Glory, so I will use that. It was NOT the FL who did bad stuff. It was the villains.
Here we have flawed female leads. Seriously flawed. One that cheats her husband and then lies about it. I call these female leads bad role models. It is OK for the start of the drama.

BUT IT IS NOT OK TO CONTINUE. As oppa_ said, we need to stay away from hypocrisy being framed as empowerment

Unlike you, I believe that any entertainment carries messages that influence us, and you should be well aware of that as gayest of the gay, and that the purpose of true storytelling IS to help with our daily lives. Why else WOULD i even watch a drama... ???? Unless it is deepening my understanding of life, I aint spending my life watching it. And I watch kdramas precisely bc they DO offer solutions, unlike the western media, which offers dead ends.

So your answer reminds me of that. It cleverly leads to a dead end.

I think the point of this drama IS to show movement - the cheating wife has to clear it up with her ex and husband (well, the ex is dead but still), and the moma's girl has to figure out her money, and the 3 women have to figure out their friendship.

WHY they didnt ask more questions about the cheating lawyer? If they are such good friends, they better ask about that.

that is precisely why I mentioned it LOL
and Sweden is very sexually open so I did not think they would have this level of perverts there - but I dont know Sweden that well.

Hm.... I think this is a lot more gray area than what you are portraying here as definite answers.

The main problem is that the reporter was her ex and he had a picture of the two of them. There is a PERSONAL HISTORY here, it is not any guy asking her for sexual favors or else he wont collaborate with her.

SO WE DO NOT KNOW THE FULL STORY...
Is it HER GUY asking her to love him. The fact that it happens while they are collaborating on some work stuff is less important in this case.
OR - is it an irresponsible ex who is manipulating her ... ?

SO I would not make conclusions yet.

I did make conclusions about her lying about it, and her husband lying about it, knowing that she is lying about it. THAT IS TOXIC. The drama is letting these two stay stuck in a toxic relationsip. We should see moving towards a resolution in the next episode or so... or else, this will be a very stale drama.

Ah now I understand why ppl are complaining about using AI for the intro. Yeah sure AI animation stuff is what kids watch these days, but a live person should create something unique for the drama and get paid for it.

This is the best explanation about it:
QUOTE: " using AI is honestly weird, there are tons of artists who can make an intro, but then dramappl turn around and use soulless gen ai - it is so weird - it’s taking actual talented artist jobs"

I see! Yes you are right about that.

yes sure, for ep 1, a confused slow motion passive character fits perfectly. She does not even want to pick out stuff for the funeral... .
But once she accepts the baby and becomes the surrogate mom, that child is HERS and she does have to act as a lively radiant loving mom, actively loving that child and engaging with that child in ways that are life giving and ACTIVELY helping. There will be a little bit of transition time but the transition HAS to happen asap. So the actress has to be capable of acting that.

She can be a gentle mom who is not an athlete, those details are not important, but she has to show that she is actively supporting the child in every way, GIVING to the child her energy and attention. That is what a mother is....
If she stays passive confused and slow moving, it is like dampening and numbing the child to be lifeless too. The kid is a bright healthy vibrant ALIVE being and the mom has to match that.

I wrote some comments before I watched ep 2 and realized that the mom footed the bill and that the woman who slept with the reporter was married, so this is my take on the issues raised by _oppa, whose opinion I often agree with

Yes, the 3 women are supported by a mom who controls her daughter that way. So the 3 women are shown as little girls, really.
It is ok to be supported by donors and grants, even donors who give out of need to just "look good". It is ok to have lucrative jobs that pay for less paying jobs. But these 3 women are shown as puppets of the mom. That is bad role modeling.

Also, cheating. I do not feel like I have enough information.... Was her ex acting out of love as her man - he had the framed picture of two of them in his house - and/ or was he a coworker trying to manipulate her? What was their relationship and interactions *before that kiss scene that led to the kiss scene? What were her feelings about him? her motivation? Was she consenting so taht she could get reports from him? What was the significance of that kiss - two people who are realizing they have feelings for each other, or two people trying to use each other professionally? She "paying" for his report by consenting to s.x?

My conclusion is that it was two old lovers of 7yrs who got back together. He was sure about hs strong feelings for her, and she realized it when he said it. Seems like they did not interact much but then she showed up late at night at his house to ask him about the case.. ... she was too familiar with him, like he was still somehow hers, .... .and she started asking him about their relationship.. .and he took her up on the offer and shared his feelings for her ... which she then accepted. And they ended up having s.x and seems like a baby too...

I do not call that woman unprofessional or a bad person just bc she cheated. I am not expecting her to be perfect. She is clearly flawed. But how she deals with her flaws determines what her role in the drama is...
As a lawyer, she should not sleep with her clients. He is not her client so she is ok on that front
If she sleeps around just for fun with ppl who are not her clients, ... that is her (bad) choice. She just has to be professional with her clients. How she is in her life, is her choice.... and her consequences :)
If she sleeps around to advance professionally, then she is a villain.
If she sleeps as a married woman with her ex who happens to be a reporter who she works with .... that is her (bad) choice... But maybe it is necessary for her to realize she loves the ex. Or not. Maybe it is necessary to finally force her to clean up her life. Clearly, if something major like that happened, she is in dire need to clean up her life.

And yeah, she does not deserve respect for making bad choices. AND, SHE MUST FIX HER MISTAKES. To be worthy of a lead in a drama, a character has to work to fix their mistakes. So this woman is right now a question mark as a character. She is supposedly a lead, but she is very flawed. If she doesnt attempt to clean up her life, she is a passive villain.

That woman acted ignorantly and cheated on her husband. Why? She has to find out the answer to that question and work it out with the two men. People get carried away hanging with someone who adores them, with their familiar ex in hot pursuit alone at night in the dark house, and that is life and that is ... called MISTAKES in life....

but mistakes are meant to cause CHANGE. That is the purpose of mistakes.

The problem with this cheating mistake is that it is NOT causing change but further stagnation and toxicity.
First of all, IF SHE IS INTERESTED IN PROTECTING HER MARRIAGE, she should try to stay out of risky hot situations...
But what if she was not aware she was attracted to her ex - or any man who likes her - that much? Seems like her ex loved her, there is that picture of two of them... . So what if she was not aware of her feelings for him... ? but after that incident, she BECAME AWARE? that is the moment she has to spring into action to correct this "mistake."

First of all, was she hungry for her ex, or was she hungry for experiencing a man who loves her, or any man who would satisfy her? What does it say about her relationship to her husband? WHY would she fall for sexual attention of her ex? WAS she consenting to s.x with the ex just to get his report???? Was he trying to manipulate her into s.x and using report as a bait?

My take on that scene was that he loved her and wanted her. Was he thinking it will easier to get her if he ofers the report? Was he thinking since he is sure he loves her, he will give her the report, and he was more focused on her?

WHY were they hanging out to begin with??? Were they flirting before? Have then been in contact before?

I rewatched the kissing scene. He was drinking, she came on her own late at night and he got very alert bc apparently that seemed like a triggering behavior to him. He stiffened up, she clearly shook him. She treated him with a certain attitude as if she owns him, since they were together for 7 years, she was toooooo familiar with him and definitely pushed his buttons. She was standing too close to him and asked questions about his work. SO I CAN SEE WHY OPPA IS THINKING THAT SHE IS MISUSING MEN TO ADVANCE AT WORK. She actually kinda is.... She was talking to him as if he were still her lover. But he did not give her anything. So we cannot say that they misused each other for work.
Then she switched to 100% personal mode and asked him why he still has the statue she bought, and he quockly pecked her a kiss in response. SHe said NO amd he stopped amd he said that he felt sorry they broke up and missed her. She started leaving. he grabbed her hand and she said stop and he let her go and stopped. She asked him why he is doing it. HE SAID HE MISSED HER. THAT IS WHEN SHE STOOD STILL AND QUIETLY LET HIM COME CLOSER AND KISS HER. She accepted his invitation. I guess at that point she switched to being "his" lady - did her husband even come to her mind... ??? So this is not rape imo and is not manipulation to get his files. It is two old lovers coming together bc they met and couldnt' resist.

Was she fighting him and definitely said NO over and over and he overruled her by force? No. He did not rape her or manipulate her into s.x so taht he would give her files... He acted like a hot stud in pursuit of someone close to him who he is familiar with, AND SHE ACCEPTED HIM. He did not seem like he raped her, seemed like he invited his old flame a little agressively, uing hs chance, and she DID accept him.
More like he self advertising to a woman he was very very very familiar with. THEY BEHAVED LIKE THEY WERE STILL IN A RELATIONSHIP.

As for hormones etc - PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND THEY *CAN* ACT IRRATIONALLУ. We do not know WHY this woman cheated - did she realize she still loved /missed the ex and her marriage was fake, OR she just felt horny and acted on that out of weakness? Her husband then is not satisfying to her ... so what is up with that marriage then?

THE MAIN QUESTION IS: WHAT IS GOING ON WITH HER MARRIAGE? AND HER FEELINGS FOR THE EX? Does she just need attention? Or she still loves the ex? Is she using the ex? as someone who will give her the ffiles AND attention? Is he using her.. ??

SHE HAS TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TO HERSELF AND THE TWO MEN....
THE MISTAKE SHOWS SEVERE ISSUES IN HER LIFE, ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED ASAP.

She later said she made a mistake. So it seems like she was led by her hormones, not heart. Seems like she did it not bc she still loves the ex, but bc she was horny or lonely. Mistakes happen... esp with a hot guy who loves her and she was hanging out with him in the dark.... For an adult woman to make such a serious mistake, is not really ok.

****But she never tried to fix her mistake. She just ran away in denial. THAT IS BAD.***

**** Her cheating indicates that her whole life and her entire marriage ARE TOXIC. **** That mistake calls for a fast clean assessment of herself and her life, and fixing the situation asap. But she did not. She ran away.

She lied to her husband. She soooo disrespects her husband. What is the story between them? She clearly has no love for him. How she lied to him was very well practiced and very habitual.... Their relationship is DEAD.

And her husband lied to her too. Even beore he found the earing at reporter's house, he was looking at the photo of that reporter witih his wife. THE REPORTER KEPT THE PHOTO OF THEM TOGETHER. The husband KNEW she was already somehow cheating - even just emotionally - with the ex. THE HUSBAND RUMAGED THROUGH HER STUFF AND LOOKED FOR THE EARING AT THE HOUSE AND DID NOT SAY A WORD TO HER. That scene when your spouse is checking if you cheated on them, and you lie to them, is sooooo toxic.... . THE HUSBAND DID NOT TRUST HER AND DID NOT ASK HER ANY QUESTIONS. THAT IS BAD. AND SHE LIED. THAT IS BAD. That marriage is a lie. And it is left unaddressed and rotting like that.

So husband and wife are in a toxic relationship and unwilling to get unstuck. THAT is the problem, imo. Two adults who lack integrity and live in lies. Bad role models.

I think we have to give up our demands that the three FLs be perfect and evolved. They are not and they do not have to be.

BUT imo to be worthy of being main roles in a drama, they do have to show signs of making effort to be more evolved.

It bothered me that the other 2 lawyers never said to the cheater - hey work it out with your husband! it was somehow ASSUMED that she will not talk to her husband. I find that sleezy.

and yeah just like _oppa said, that is hypocrisy under the name of empowerment. It is not gender equality. It is equality in egotism LOL

People get carried away and that is life. Accept it.
I did not pay attention how their kissing scene started. Was she fighting him and definitely said NO? I did not have a feeling that he raped her, more like he acted like a hot stud in pursuit of someone close to him who he knows and who he was flirting with for a while, AND SHE ACCEPTED HIM.
He did not rape her, imo, he invited his old flame a little agressively but she DID accept him.

As for hormones etc - PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND THEY *CAN* ACT IRRATIONALLУ. We do not know WHY this woman cheated - did she realize she still loved /missed the guy and her marriage was fake, OR she just felt horny and acted on that out of weakness? Her husband then is not satisfying to her ... so what is up with that marriage then? SHE HAS TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TO HERSELF AND OTHERS....

She later said she made a mistake. Mistakes happen... esp with a hot guy she missed, in the dark.... But she never tried to fix her mistake. She just ran away in denial. THAT IS BAD.

Her cheating indicates that her whole life and her entire marriage ARE PROBLEM. She lied to her husband. And her husband lied to her too. They are in a toxic relationship and unwilling to get unstuck. THAT is the problem, imo. Two adults who lack integrity and live in lies. Bad role models.

Dont be sexist.... :)
We do not know the story of she and her husband. He could be doing something wrong too.

They are both already evil bc they never talk, and she lies to him, and seems like he lies to her too. He immediately went to look in her earings to find that earing, and he never asked HER any questions. That is a very disturbing scene. The two do not communicate and they lie to each other. That is very bad role mdeling.

The worst part is that she keeps lying to her husband about cheating on him, and he lies to her pretending he does not know. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE

ppl are allowed to be confused and make mistakes, and she obviously did, BUT adults are supposed to FIX their mistakes, and she is not doing anything about it. That is the inherent kdrama sexism, showing women as weak and helpless, so it is not helping to advance gender equality.

I 100% agree on nepotism, which totally undermines this whole drama - these women are some kind of "fighters" but they are funded by her mother who blackmails and supports because she wants the payoff of controlling her daughter. That is ... not ... a good role model.

A good role model would be to write grants or to somehow get support from various donors who VOLUNTARILY provide money for this work. Or, to have some lucrative jobs that pay for the pro bono work.
There is nothing wrong with donors and grants. Even those donors and grants who give out of "looking good" rather than belief. Take their money and run :)

The cheating partner ... is a shady area but is forgivable, The partners are not supposed to be enlightened beings. HOWEVER, what bothers me is that the cheater woman kept lying to her husband. THAT is a very bad role model. That woman is portrayed as lacking integrity.

ppl are allowed to be confused and make mistakes, and she obviously did make mistakes - married someone she doesnt respect while still having feelings for ex, cheating with ex... so ok it is a part of adult life to make mistakes.... even such severe mistakes.....

BUT adults are supposed to FIX their mistakes, and she is not doing anything about it. That is the inherent kdrama sexism, showing women as weak and helpless, so it is not helping to advance gender equality.

I understand why someone can get carried away with her ex, however, that woman is supposedly in a high position and SHOULD have more self control, and ... if she did not, then she SHOULD have INTEGRITY to tell her husband.

The 3 partners do NOT have to be totally enlightened :) ..... people are complicated and murky and confused and make mistakes... but ... MISTAKES HAVE TO BE FIXED, NOT COVERED UP BY LYING to the person you "love" and live with.
What we learned is that lawyer lived in a lie and is NOT WILLING and able to fix it. That is a bad role model.

So yes overall, the "female power" thing here is questioned from the get go.

THis is ep 1 so they have time to grow and fix it.

Unfortunately I saw her in Crushology 101 where she so annoyed me with her pathetic lifeless passive (lack of) acting and I dropped. Witch too.

So far she is adequate for ep 1 but the true test is ep 2 and on, as the baby's mom. That requires ENERGY and GIVING, something I have never seen her act so far.

Let us pray she learns to act that well.

I would like to comment why ppl are saying that FL actress is a no go for this role.
I have seen her in Crushology 101 and in Witch. Both roles are lifeless zombie-like, confused, passive, weak, low energy, immature. I 100% hated her acting with passion. I dropped both of those dramas as total waste of time. She was like a black hole sucking energy out of the audience by her passivity, acting like a damsel in distress and waiting to be saved, and bitching about it and being unreasonable. THose are VERY EASY ROLES TO ACT. You basically dont do anything LOL no effort whatsoever. You just demand attention without giving anything. This is like being an energy vampire and that totally drains the audience.

So far - ep 1 - Our Universe FL is the same type of role FL actress always did, like in Crushology 101 or Witch - a half dead/ slow motion confused immature weak liar loser. Which fits the FL character here SO FAR, IN EP 1.

But from EP 2 on, FL is the mom of the baby, so being a pathetic energy vampire is a no go. If the FL actress cannot act an alive, lively, radiant, strong loving giving present grounded reliable confident brave and FIGHTING!!!! caretaker for the baby, then a truck of doom should show up and give a new mom to the baby.

**** FL will have to move around, to run, and to be full of energy and giving love to take care of the baby. I have NEVER seen the current FL actress in a role like that. If she cannot do it, she should be out asap. ****

So let us keep our fingers crossed that this actress takes some lessons fast and can pull it off. I would hate to see another drama ruined by her acting.

This drama has a great potential.

ML was in one of my fav dramas, Growing Season, and he has great acting skillZ so he needs a L that will match that. The baby dictates the tempo here, the baby requires parents who are full of life, radiant, reliable, and able to GIVE A LOT.
ML for sure has the energy for that, he will grow into unconditionally giving it, and ML actor is able to convey that.
FL starts as pathetic lifeless, but she has to fast evolve into a mother - a rock of Gibraltar stability and support, giving love, being happy, radiant, supportive, caring, energetically keeping up with a healthy baby boy. The running, walking, climbing, physical labor of cleaning, feeding, etc plus LOTS of happy lovey dovey giving love moments. LET US PRAY THAT FL ACTRESS CAN ACT THAT.