Since you are new to historical dramas i recommend: Mr Queen, Scarlet Heart, Tale of nokdu, Under the queens umbrella
I've watched it ( If you're curious about which shows I've seen my MDL list is up to date). It was my first historical from China and it was a 10/10 for me as well ^^
Since you are new to historical dramas i recommend: Mr Queen, Scarlet Heart, Tale of nokdu, Under the queens umbrella
Lol Red Sleeve... I stayed away from any historical for over a year after that one. Was traumatized. It was a good series, but I'm never going to rewatch ever again.
Cowardice can always be justified if you look through other people's lens. But at the end of the day, the message of the movie is the consequences of inaction and conformism. Doing the right thing makes you stand out and you end up being the looser just like what happened to the teacher. At the end of the day, if you 're a coward you face no consequences and you can keep on living your life, if you try to challenge things, you're going to be punished by Society for it. That cowardice from classmates to adults led to the death of two children who didn't know better. In front of adults who were all lying and conforming, they never felt the environment was safe enough for them to be honest which led to their deaths. They made some stupid choices but we're not supposed to expect children to be bright.
Seems to me you didn't understand what I meant.
As I said, it's a very good movie. But I didn't like it notably because it's in fact too realistic. It's "ordinary evilness". Closing your eyes and ears to others' pleas because you don't want your own peace to be disturbed.
i absolutely agree this show is a masterpiece but the length of the episodes is what’s been holding me back…
Lol well... I actually ended up rating it down... Some things just didn't sit well for me on the first watch... But it was actually worse on the rewatch... So I say, if you loved it the first time... Keep your best memory of it and don't rewatch it. Sometimes it's better to keep your golden memories golden, so to speak.
The ending was definitely rushed, but I’m so glad Nan & Nam are together! I really loved this drama - especially…
Thanks for this spoiler. I read a comment some weeks ago asking if it was a HE in the novel and somebody else answering Sam ended with Fah... which is why I waited for the series to end to be sure they changed the end. I can now safely start this series ^^Thank you :D
Went back on my words and came back on this thread ... only to see people getting personal just because some people disagree with the decisions of this or that character or criticize this drama. Blablabla, get rid of your fantasies (Isn't Rom Com' THE GENRE for fantasies ? Ah sorry, forgot the tag was wrong so... there's that). Of course, if you disagree, it's because you want characters to be perfect and you have no appreciation for nuanced portrayals 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Poor immature souls. And I'm saying this as someone who likes the series (so far)... Oh. And I'm also in my late 30s, so that's another point for my immaturity I guess. Though in my book, being critical of something doesn't necessarily mean you're throwing the whole thing under the bus, otherwise you'd have already dropped the show so here.
In you want realistic, any sane girl would have stayed with the ex instead of going to the childhood friend. Because sorry but he's been very overbearing for a while now. You can't do this and that even warned the ex not to get to touchy feely ( dude, that's too late for that, do you think they only kissed when they were in the US?). Ah! And now he doesn't do friendship anymore, so basically, she can't say no.
SURE!
'Course he pulled away a couple of years ago to protect himself, which is completely understandable, after all, he didn't know she was sick. But actions have consequences, if you want flawed and realistic, the moment he made that choice, their relationship was doomed.
Second doom is when you start to get pushy with your feelings when the girl is being swayed by the dude who STAYED WITH HER through her CANCER AND DEPRESSION? Wouldn't it be better for you to just wait for her to make her own decision. If she goes back to him, you have nothing to say, if she decides to truly end it here, then you have your last chance. Don't screw it. But don't act like you have any right on who she can see and when. She's not your property.
The only reason everyone is giving Seung Hyo a pass, and that includes me, is because it's Jung Hae In, he's drop dead gorgeous and he's end-game anyway so better support what is bound to happen instead of disagreeing with it all the way. Even being understanding of his flaws as a character, Seok Ryu's decision to reject the fiancée and be with him is not a "realistic portrayal" unless you're into unhealthy relationships. These two are not yet together and look at how he behaves? In reality, these are already little red flags thrown your way that this person is going to turn really controlling the more time you spend together especially once he's your boyfriend and he considers he's got "rights" over you. Doesn't bode well for when they'll be really together but don't worry, it's a K Drama, it's selling you a fantasy in spite of all the crying and even if the ML's attitude screams "red flag" he's never going to be "red" because you can't have a "red ML". He can be overly jealous... But he's never going to cross a line he shouldn't have ( such as err, looking through the bag of the girl he likes for instance? But Seok Ryu also looked through his things so I guess they're perfect for each other?)
Anyway let's be clear, the ex's way better. His biggest fault is only to have done as Seok Ryu wanted and not tell her family. He shouldn't have even if she disagreed.
So this time I'm truly definitely out of this thread, I'm going to watch this quietly and not read any comments where people voicing their grievances are attacked on a personal level and only people liking this show 1000% are welcome. Because as much as I'm still liking this show, it is as flawed as its characters. This should give room for people to discuss about their disagreements about these characters decisions (or lack thereoff) but unfortunately, when you're tagged "immature", "stuck in Ryu Seon Jae's fantasy" and so on and so forth (an argument I've seen from both both people who like and dislike this show for that matter), discussions are doomed from the start.
PS: Also, let's tag this show "SF, Action, Mistery" and see how you react because I'm tired of that argument that a "rom com doesn't have to be happy-go-lucky all the time". This is at best a dramedy (if I'm being VERY lenient), at worst Melo but if you want to see what's a rom com', well there's one airing actually on the same channel on Monday and Tuesday...
They did. It's how it's been officially promoted in South Korea. Take any Korean article speaking about this series before it aired in August and it's promoted as a Romantic Comedy. It's also the tag you'll find on namu wiki. I know. I've checked.
But do you realise there is possibility of drama having multiple genres like romcom (first 5 Eps), Slice of life,…
This show had been advertised as a rom com'. A show being a melo doesn't mean it's not going to have some humor in it. It's not because you're watching a thriller that there's no romance nor humor in it either and so on and so forth.
BUT there's a dominant genre and the issue here is that the dominant genre is slice of life not rom com' yet the show is tagged here and in South Korea as a Rom Com' and a Family show.
They're balancing the tone right for a slice of life but definitely not for a rom' com. That's the point of my comment. This being said, I've made peace with it and I feel most complaining should also make peace with it now. However, I do feel like these tags should be changed because it's misleading and bound to make people dissapointed. In a couple of months, some naive souls are going to want to watch this show, the comment section will be mostly empty and they're going to fall into the trap all of us fell into unless they read reviews... which I personally never do before watching a show because I feel it tints my perception of the show.
I recently dropped "Doctor John" for the same reason. It was tagged "Mystery Thriller" on Viki... Unfortunately when I finally watched it, it took me 6 episodes to understand this was not a thriller but 100% pure medical drama ( and I HATE medical dramas so I only bother with shows in medical settings when the focus in not on the medical stuffs). I checked later episodes just to be sure... and yes MEDICAL ONLY, the only mystery was about some dude that died which led the ML to prison but this was not even a mystery, it was just an information that was given only at the end ( I mean by that, that there was no investigation involved or whatever). And let me tell you, I was PISSED. Again, misleading tags.
I blame mostly all the backlash on tvN for lying to the audience. Also... I should have known Jung Hae In just likes melodramas, so sure for him a slice of life is literally a rom com' next to his usual projects. I'll never trust him again 😅😅😅
Can we just remove the Rom-Com' tag?This is not a rom-com', this is a slice of life. This is so misleading. I…
RIP ex-fiancé.... But honestly, you should be happy. If you had married her you would have always wondered if she had any feelings for Seung Hyo. You'd never be sure you were n°1 so as sad as it is for you, it was a close call. Get with somebody whose heart belongs to you and you only and not somebody who stays with you by default and gratitude. You deserve better though I'm still pissed you didn't tell her family, maybe the outcome of your relation would have been different. You got your chance but that bad choice ruined it... Not your fault... But if she truly was into you, she would have stayed.
This is not a rom-com', this is a slice of life. This is so misleading. I feel cheated because I signed up for a rom com'. Now, I'm not saying the show is not good. I still like it ( my God episode 10 WAS HEAVY) but you can't blame people from complaining when the show doesn't deliver on what it promised. I've checked Namu Wiki just to see if it was advertised the same to Koreans and yes, it's Romantic Comedy there as well. I might have slightly agreed for the first 4 episodes and honestly and I'm not sure it could even be categorized as a rom com' then but now it's very clear it's not and won't be in the future given what's hinted at for Sung Hyo's mom. Other tears are coming.
Maybe it's because Rom Com's are easier to sell than slice of life to gain audience... But you should always be honest with your viewers... Otherwise you're going to get lots of complaints AND RIGHTFULLY SO. I'm the type of person that tend to stay away from this genre unless I'm really in the mood to watch one, because otherwise I wouldn't rate said show unfairly.
This comment section has become this way because they lied and people who still want to see a rom com' obviously consider that this show sucks because it's not. For a Rom Com' it SUCKS. For a slice a life though, it's a fairly good show: It tackles heavy topics without being too heavy about it and making its viewers depressed. So sure maybe from ep 11 to 16, Seung Hyo and Seok Ryu's relationship is finally going to go upward but you know whose problems we're going to deal with from now on... and you've seen the preview and heard Seun Hyo's voice. You know what's coming up. Rom Com' be damned.
Do I hate this show: No. In fact I really LOVE it. Do I think people are being mean and are spreading unnecessary hate in the comment section? No, I don't. We were lied to, they have a right to complain.
HOWEVER, now that we definitely know this is not a Rom' Com. It's time to get over it, or drop this show altogether in you're allergic or are simply not in the mood for heavy topics.
I remember the hype back then! "The best BL ever!" No, not by far! I dropped the first episode 4 times: it was…
Glad I'm not the only one. I think the cinematography was helped A LOT by the beautiful scenery ^^ We'll see for the sequel though... I'm planning to watch just after I've finished rewatching this ^^ I hope that like you, I'll like it more.
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Skipping that one :D
My Ultimate favorite trope ^^
I'm in :D
That cowardice from classmates to adults led to the death of two children who didn't know better. In front of adults who were all lying and conforming, they never felt the environment was safe enough for them to be honest which led to their deaths. They made some stupid choices but we're not supposed to expect children to be bright.
Seems to me you didn't understand what I meant.
As I said, it's a very good movie. But I didn't like it notably because it's in fact too realistic. It's "ordinary evilness". Closing your eyes and ears to others' pleas because you don't want your own peace to be disturbed.
I read a comment some weeks ago asking if it was a HE in the novel and somebody else answering Sam ended with Fah... which is why I waited for the series to end to be sure they changed the end.
I can now safely start this series ^^Thank you :D
And I'm saying this as someone who likes the series (so far)... Oh. And I'm also in my late 30s, so that's another point for my immaturity I guess. Though in my book, being critical of something doesn't necessarily mean you're throwing the whole thing under the bus, otherwise you'd have already dropped the show so here.
In you want realistic, any sane girl would have stayed with the ex instead of going to the childhood friend. Because sorry but he's been very overbearing for a while now. You can't do this and that even warned the ex not to get to touchy feely ( dude, that's too late for that, do you think they only kissed when they were in the US?). Ah! And now he doesn't do friendship anymore, so basically, she can't say no.
SURE!
'Course he pulled away a couple of years ago to protect himself, which is completely understandable, after all, he didn't know she was sick. But actions have consequences, if you want flawed and realistic, the moment he made that choice, their relationship was doomed.
Second doom is when you start to get pushy with your feelings when the girl is being swayed by the dude who STAYED WITH HER through her CANCER AND DEPRESSION? Wouldn't it be better for you to just wait for her to make her own decision. If she goes back to him, you have nothing to say, if she decides to truly end it here, then you have your last chance. Don't screw it. But don't act like you have any right on who she can see and when. She's not your property.
The only reason everyone is giving Seung Hyo a pass, and that includes me, is because it's Jung Hae In, he's drop dead gorgeous and he's end-game anyway so better support what is bound to happen instead of disagreeing with it all the way. Even being understanding of his flaws as a character, Seok Ryu's decision to reject the fiancée and be with him is not a "realistic portrayal" unless you're into unhealthy relationships. These two are not yet together and look at how he behaves?
In reality, these are already little red flags thrown your way that this person is going to turn really controlling the more time you spend together especially once he's your boyfriend and he considers he's got "rights" over you.
Doesn't bode well for when they'll be really together but don't worry, it's a K Drama, it's selling you a fantasy in spite of all the crying and even if the ML's attitude screams "red flag" he's never going to be "red" because you can't have a "red ML". He can be overly jealous... But he's never going to cross a line he shouldn't have ( such as err, looking through the bag of the girl he likes for instance? But Seok Ryu also looked through his things so I guess they're perfect for each other?)
Anyway let's be clear, the ex's way better. His biggest fault is only to have done as Seok Ryu wanted and not tell her family. He shouldn't have even if she disagreed.
So this time I'm truly definitely out of this thread, I'm going to watch this quietly and not read any comments where people voicing their grievances are attacked on a personal level and only people liking this show 1000% are welcome. Because as much as I'm still liking this show, it is as flawed as its characters. This should give room for people to discuss about their disagreements about these characters decisions (or lack thereoff) but unfortunately, when you're tagged "immature", "stuck in Ryu Seon Jae's fantasy" and so on and so forth (an argument I've seen from both both people who like and dislike this show for that matter), discussions are doomed from the start.
PS: Also, let's tag this show "SF, Action, Mistery" and see how you react because I'm tired of that argument that a "rom com doesn't have to be happy-go-lucky all the time". This is at best a dramedy (if I'm being VERY lenient), at worst Melo but if you want to see what's a rom com', well there's one airing actually on the same channel on Monday and Tuesday...
Sorry to say but tags are important.
BUT there's a dominant genre and the issue here is that the dominant genre is slice of life not rom com' yet the show is tagged here and in South Korea as a Rom Com' and a Family show.
They're balancing the tone right for a slice of life but definitely not for a rom' com. That's the point of my comment. This being said, I've made peace with it and I feel most complaining should also make peace with it now. However, I do feel like these tags should be changed because it's misleading and bound to make people dissapointed.
In a couple of months, some naive souls are going to want to watch this show, the comment section will be mostly empty and they're going to fall into the trap all of us fell into unless they read reviews... which I personally never do before watching a show because I feel it tints my perception of the show.
I recently dropped "Doctor John" for the same reason. It was tagged "Mystery Thriller" on Viki... Unfortunately when I finally watched it, it took me 6 episodes to understand this was not a thriller but 100% pure medical drama ( and I HATE medical dramas so I only bother with shows in medical settings when the focus in not on the medical stuffs). I checked later episodes just to be sure... and yes MEDICAL ONLY, the only mystery was about some dude that died which led the ML to prison but this was not even a mystery, it was just an information that was given only at the end ( I mean by that, that there was no investigation involved or whatever). And let me tell you, I was PISSED. Again, misleading tags.
I blame mostly all the backlash on tvN for lying to the audience. Also... I should have known Jung Hae In just likes melodramas, so sure for him a slice of life is literally a rom com' next to his usual projects. I'll never trust him again 😅😅😅
This is not a rom-com', this is a slice of life. This is so misleading. I feel cheated because I signed up for a rom com'.
Now, I'm not saying the show is not good. I still like it ( my God episode 10 WAS HEAVY) but you can't blame people from complaining when the show doesn't deliver on what it promised. I've checked Namu Wiki just to see if it was advertised the same to Koreans and yes, it's Romantic Comedy there as well. I might have slightly agreed for the first 4 episodes and honestly and I'm not sure it could even be categorized as a rom com' then but now it's very clear it's not and won't be in the future given what's hinted at for Sung Hyo's mom.
Other tears are coming.
Maybe it's because Rom Com's are easier to sell than slice of life to gain audience... But you should always be honest with your viewers... Otherwise you're going to get lots of complaints AND RIGHTFULLY SO. I'm the type of person that tend to stay away from this genre unless I'm really in the mood to watch one, because otherwise I wouldn't rate said show unfairly.
This comment section has become this way because they lied and people who still want to see a rom com' obviously consider that this show sucks because it's not.
For a Rom Com' it SUCKS. For a slice a life though, it's a fairly good show: It tackles heavy topics without being too heavy about it and making its viewers depressed.
So sure maybe from ep 11 to 16, Seung Hyo and Seok Ryu's relationship is finally going to go upward but you know whose problems we're going to deal with from now on... and you've seen the preview and heard Seun Hyo's voice. You know what's coming up. Rom Com' be damned.
Do I hate this show: No. In fact I really LOVE it.
Do I think people are being mean and are spreading unnecessary hate in the comment section?
No, I don't. We were lied to, they have a right to complain.
HOWEVER, now that we definitely know this is not a Rom' Com. It's time to get over it, or drop this show altogether in you're allergic or are simply not in the mood for heavy topics.
Long Live Be On Cloud!