No opinion at present given I just started... First season was already pretty nonsensical so I learned to enjoy the ride without really worrying about realism with this show...
BUT. I wish it was available on Viki.
iQiyi tends to overly cut its English subtitles. I've been a subscriber for over 3 years and that issue has STILL not been resolved. The problem with that is that it gives very disjointed sentences and VERY VERY often the subtitles don't have enough time to appear so you need to rewind to see the parts that didn't appear on your screen.
Initially I though it was because iQiyi's inside program sucked... but then I realized I NEVER have this problem when I'm watching a Thai show on their website... Which means it comes from their overcutting subs which makes the viewing experience NOT a pleasant one.
I'm just glad I never spent more than 30€ on their yearly subscription because It wouldn't be worth it otherwise...
I'm dreaming of the day I'll be fluent in Chinese and just get rid of these subs altogether.
(Btw if you ever had any intention of subscribing there and live in Europe, you need to create an account USING A VPN otherwise even if you use a VPN after, you'll never be able to see content that is geo-restricted in your region == > I recommend Taiwan or Hong Kong. Avoid Thailand. Some shows are edited specifically for Thai audience)
There will be a special episode just dedicated to Cir with a "sharp tongue" and shy nerdy Phu ^^ (and fingers…
I hope they make it available on iQiyi at some point. They had me with "Love in the Air". I thought the movie will never be freely available like the Tharntype marriage movie (Which I haven't seen) so I paid for it only to realize they released it for free on iQiyi one month after I had seen it. So I'll be saving my money this time. You had me once, you won't have me twice even if I'm really curious about that version.
OH! Hadn't heard about this. Thanks for the article MDL. I personally loathe these types of youtubers that are basically feeding their ego by making a spectacle out of real victims so I'm glad to see that the trailer features a ML I found just as unlikable as these people IRL.
Now apart from he mystery aspect of this, what angle are they gonna take? Are they going to make the egotistical youtuber change his ways by the end of the show or is he still going to make entertainment to satisfy his egotistical tendencies. I'm actually more interested into the human aspect though I don't doubt the murderer is gonna like that "streaming attention" just like Woo Sang and is gonna kill more people "for sport".
Well I'll be tuning if the show's isn't too graphic... Might wait for a couple of episodes to air just to be sure.
Actually people do that , not everyone knows that can cause more damage , they're usually panicking about getting…
Yeah well hadn't seen that from that point of view. For me it made sense that they'd be extra careful not to do any further damage given they already messed up real bad.
People who are hired for money and they hit the wrong person. And the person they hit is their boss's son, what…
Actually no, with so many witnesses AND having hit the wrong person, the most logical reaction would be
1/ To panic.
2/ To leave the Cyr's body there and flee before any of the witness has the "terrific idea" of taking a picture of the car's number and/or see their faces clearly.
3/ Make up a story for their boss to clear them of any suspicion of being those who harmed Cyr. Because you can be sure that their Boss is NOT gonna be happy they landed Cyr at the hospital on top of having witnesses of the did on top of taking the body risking the police to find them back. There's sure to be consequences. When you're a goon you care about yourself, not the boss' child.
That's just sheer stupidity just like trying to hit someone with a car DURING THE DAY ON A CAMPUS when there's way more risk of having witnesses.
But again not the cleverest writing in the room so there's that.
Ok except from the terrible beginning, Ep 8 was pretty nice. I want more "shitty personality Cyr" and nerdy Phu and "shitty personality CEO" Cyr and "bullied employee" Phu.
OH COME ON! Less than 1 minute in episode 8 and I already need to turn my brain off. WHO CARRIES SOMEBODY THAT JUST HAS BEEN HIT BY A CAR?
Seriously have you EVER seen that? You don't know if the victim has damaged his backbone, you never EVER carry carelessly somebody who's fallen on the ground which is why there's ALWAYS a stretcher >_< Geeeeeeeeezus
Literally, I'm not asking for realism but this is not a manga adaptation, let's be a bit serious two seconds...
The storyline is beyond my IQ Level. Someone pls explain thanks.
I personally don't think it's that complicated. I'm theory "Cyr has a multi-personality disorder" and these parallel Bs is his way of making something rational out of his multiple delusions. BUT I haven't watched episode 8 yet.
The whole "daddy mourning scenes" are terribly written. Again, it's horrible writing from MAME. Like I get it, you want to emphasize that Phu is this very fragile uke that needs Cyr's protection and his "vulnerability" is supposed to wake the seme's protective side... In novel form, probably there's lots of inner monologues from the seme commenting about how vulnerable this poor uke is and Mister Muscular Manly Handsome Seme is gonna do EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER to make sure the Uke is never gonna get hurt again yada yada yada. By the same token, Mister Fragile but Beautiful and his skin is SO WHITE uke is finally gonna feel SAFE for the first time in Mister Muscular Manly Handsome Seme's arms... All the while creating some form of "emotional connection" between both characters so that their mutual attraction comes from more than "pure lust"...
SURE. I see the intention, but the execution is just DREAD-FUL. All these lines feel so forced, the hugs and looks just seem weird and out of place. Can't get into it at all... and I'm not blaming the actors. I'm blaming this terrible script. Daddy's been six feet under for 5 years now. I'm not saying it's your happiest day of the year, but no way people behave like this AFTER 5 YEARS. Just like Phu's mother not coming to Thailand due to her husband's death... But again, it's just poor writing. We need Phu to rely entirely on Cyr to strengthen their romantic bond so we have to make sure he doesn't have a strong support system from his family... which is something we see in literally all MAME's works.
Gee. Basically everything about the mystery, lies and attraction part is okay (thanks to BossNoeul's natural chemistry, otherwise this show would be unwatchable in my opinion) but as soon as we get into trauma explanation, real feelings that are not related to anything romantic, it goes down the drain.
I understand why everyone is hating on MAME now. Anything romance with fragile uke protective and possessive seme is done well and if that's your jam, you can satisfy your cravings with her stories... BUT everything else sucks.
So anyway 20 minutes from the end of ep 7. Current personal rating 8 so far.
I genuinely thinks it deserves less... But BossNoeul have such great chemistry - when the lines aren't too ridiculous - that I'm still enjoying myself nonetheless.
This being said , I REALLY HOPE BossNoeul do another drama that isn't from this writer next. She just sucks.
It's there on Kocowa which is where i watched it yesterday morning they are always ahead of viki for release and…
The link I put is the full epilogue but there's no subs available. MBC doesn't upload subtitled versions just extracts from the series though without subs. Anyway the epilogue on Viki is a over 1mn when the full epilogue on Youtube is over 2 minutes so if that's the version you got on Kokowa, that means depending on your region you get different versions of the episode... Which is a bit unfair.
As for Europe, it's very rare that shows available on Kokowa are not available on Viki though I've noticed that Kokowa is trying to carve a niche here with certain shows. Won't bother subscribing though because I think their prices are ridiculous compared to what you can get for cheaper with a Viki subscription in Europe. This being said, I had a discussion with a fellow American viewer once and basically there you pay more to get less with Viki so I can understand the appeal of getting a Kokowa subscription.
It's there on Kocowa which is where i watched it yesterday morning they are always ahead of viki for release and…
Nah you didn't get my post. The version on Viki does contain an epilogue but it's not the FULL epilogue, the FULL epilogue is on Youtube. So I don't know how it is on Kokowa, if the epilogue is a cut/not cut version. I'm living in Europe, Don't see the point on paying an additional subscription just to get the drama one day before. Not rich enough and there's plenty of other things I can watch in the meantime.
I understand people want to watch it the day it's aired... but honestly it's still released during the weekend so I don't really understand the outcry.
Read this comment weeks ago. I wouldn't say it's "below-average" drama...BUT I do agree with the "these squabbles,…
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL I just went here to check if she had debanned me ^^ to ban her instead. She posted an answer I had no intention to read (and was debating whether or not to ban her and saw she actually did it before me - SHAME!) - and haven't since I can't see it and I'm not interested even through a private window - because she seems to be the type that just wants to force people to agree with her (I call this type the "opinion police" ) and saw your post.
I think this person must be a fan of the actor and can't bear to see people making comments that she doesn't like about him when the comment has nothing to do with the actor personally just that dude is not believable as a general. It didn't bother me personally, but I can totally understand it might bother some viewers particularly how unhealthily thin all these actors are but whatev.
Again agree with you. Not mentioning that if you go to war, food is scarce, you spend days travelling, poor sleeping conditions etc so having a proper body mass before going to war is paramount. If he looked that way after a 6 months war campaign maybe... but in that case he probably wouldn't still be able to wield a sword and wear all that armor.
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BUT. I wish it was available on Viki.
iQiyi tends to overly cut its English subtitles. I've been a subscriber for over 3 years and that issue has STILL not been resolved. The problem with that is that it gives very disjointed sentences and VERY VERY often the subtitles don't have enough time to appear so you need to rewind to see the parts that didn't appear on your screen.
Initially I though it was because iQiyi's inside program sucked... but then I realized I NEVER have this problem when I'm watching a Thai show on their website... Which means it comes from their overcutting subs which makes the viewing experience NOT a pleasant one.
I'm just glad I never spent more than 30€ on their yearly subscription because It wouldn't be worth it otherwise...
I'm dreaming of the day I'll be fluent in Chinese and just get rid of these subs altogether.
(Btw if you ever had any intention of subscribing there and live in Europe, you need to create an account USING A VPN otherwise even if you use a VPN after, you'll never be able to see content that is geo-restricted in your region == > I recommend Taiwan or Hong Kong. Avoid Thailand. Some shows are edited specifically for Thai audience)
So I'll be saving my money this time. You had me once, you won't have me twice even if I'm really curious about that version.
Hadn't heard about this. Thanks for the article MDL. I personally loathe these types of youtubers that are basically feeding their ego by making a spectacle out of real victims so I'm glad to see that the trailer features a ML I found just as unlikable as these people IRL.
Now apart from he mystery aspect of this, what angle are they gonna take? Are they going to make the egotistical youtuber change his ways by the end of the show or is he still going to make entertainment to satisfy his egotistical tendencies. I'm actually more interested into the human aspect though I don't doubt the murderer is gonna like that "streaming attention" just like Woo Sang and is gonna kill more people "for sport".
Well I'll be tuning if the show's isn't too graphic... Might wait for a couple of episodes to air just to be sure.
1/ To panic.
2/ To leave the Cyr's body there and flee before any of the witness has the "terrific idea" of taking a picture of the car's number and/or see their faces clearly.
3/ Make up a story for their boss to clear them of any suspicion of being those who harmed Cyr. Because you can be sure that their Boss is NOT gonna be happy they landed Cyr at the hospital on top of having witnesses of the did on top of taking the body risking the police to find them back. There's sure to be consequences. When you're a goon you care about yourself, not the boss' child.
That's just sheer stupidity just like trying to hit someone with a car DURING THE DAY ON A CAMPUS when there's way more risk of having witnesses.
But again not the cleverest writing in the room so there's that.
I want more "shitty personality Cyr" and nerdy Phu and "shitty personality CEO" Cyr and "bullied employee" Phu.
Less than 1 minute in episode 8 and I already need to turn my brain off.
WHO CARRIES SOMEBODY THAT JUST HAS BEEN HIT BY A CAR?
Seriously have you EVER seen that? You don't know if the victim has damaged his backbone, you never EVER carry carelessly somebody who's fallen on the ground which is why there's ALWAYS a stretcher >_< Geeeeeeeeezus
Literally, I'm not asking for realism but this is not a manga adaptation, let's be a bit serious two seconds...
BUT I haven't watched episode 8 yet.
The whole "daddy mourning scenes" are terribly written.
Again, it's horrible writing from MAME. Like I get it, you want to emphasize that Phu is this very fragile uke that needs Cyr's protection and his "vulnerability" is supposed to wake the seme's protective side... In novel form, probably there's lots of inner monologues from the seme commenting about how vulnerable this poor uke is and Mister Muscular Manly Handsome Seme is gonna do EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER to make sure the Uke is never gonna get hurt again yada yada yada. By the same token, Mister Fragile but Beautiful and his skin is SO WHITE uke is finally gonna feel SAFE for the first time in Mister Muscular Manly Handsome Seme's arms...
All the while creating some form of "emotional connection" between both characters so that their mutual attraction comes from more than "pure lust"...
SURE. I see the intention, but the execution is just DREAD-FUL. All these lines feel so forced, the hugs and looks just seem weird and out of place. Can't get into it at all... and I'm not blaming the actors. I'm blaming this terrible script. Daddy's been six feet under for 5 years now. I'm not saying it's your happiest day of the year, but no way people behave like this AFTER 5 YEARS. Just like Phu's mother not coming to Thailand due to her husband's death...
But again, it's just poor writing. We need Phu to rely entirely on Cyr to strengthen their romantic bond so we have to make sure he doesn't have a strong support system from his family... which is something we see in literally all MAME's works.
Gee. Basically everything about the mystery, lies and attraction part is okay (thanks to BossNoeul's natural chemistry, otherwise this show would be unwatchable in my opinion) but as soon as we get into trauma explanation, real feelings that are not related to anything romantic, it goes down the drain.
I understand why everyone is hating on MAME now. Anything romance with fragile uke protective and possessive seme is done well and if that's your jam, you can satisfy your cravings with her stories... BUT everything else sucks.
So anyway 20 minutes from the end of ep 7. Current personal rating 8 so far.
I genuinely thinks it deserves less... But BossNoeul have such great chemistry - when the lines aren't too ridiculous - that I'm still enjoying myself nonetheless.
This being said , I REALLY HOPE BossNoeul do another drama that isn't from this writer next. She just sucks.
As for Europe, it's very rare that shows available on Kokowa are not available on Viki though I've noticed that Kokowa is trying to carve a niche here with certain shows. Won't bother subscribing though because I think their prices are ridiculous compared to what you can get for cheaper with a Viki subscription in Europe. This being said, I had a discussion with a fellow American viewer once and basically there you pay more to get less with Viki so I can understand the appeal of getting a Kokowa subscription.
I understand people want to watch it the day it's aired... but honestly it's still released during the weekend so I don't really understand the outcry.
You can watch the full version of the epilogue on MBCdrama Youtube page here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPqF9ND6q1I
I don't get why they cut it 'cuz it's hilarious but whatever.
Not complaining though 🤣🤣🤣
I think this person must be a fan of the actor and can't bear to see people making comments that she doesn't like about him when the comment has nothing to do with the actor personally just that dude is not believable as a general. It didn't bother me personally, but I can totally understand it might bother some viewers particularly how unhealthily thin all these actors are but whatev.
Again agree with you. Not mentioning that if you go to war, food is scarce, you spend days travelling, poor sleeping conditions etc so having a proper body mass before going to war is paramount. If he looked that way after a 6 months war campaign maybe... but in that case he probably wouldn't still be able to wield a sword and wear all that armor.
Wasn't planning on watching this but since Viki is gonna make it available...