My GOD, how our standards how fallen to the deepest depth of the abyss of the oceans. For 22€ per month, mediocrity has become pretty expensive. No wonder, piracy is back and thriving. No way in hell, is this worth spending money on let alone one's precious time. 🤬🤬🤬
I'm gonna do like literally everyone and pretend this season never existed.
Final ratings 3: 1 for the actors + 1 for the crew (CGIs included) + 1 for the Production value. Sheepiest writing I've seen in a while. A bunch of characters we don't give a sheep about, special mention for the useless sister who basically remained useless up until the end even though they tried to make her appear useful... this character had absolutely no character. Usagi? Ruined! Wheelchair guy? Sad excuse of a human being which they dared to give a somewhat redemption arc at the end as if Arisu should be grateful for him saving Usagi's bottom when he was responsible for this whole mess in the first place.
Also Usagi... From badass climber to damsel in distress whose bottom needed to be saved by a guy in a WHEELCHAIR. My God How the mighty have fallen.
Talk about character assassination...🤬🤬🤬
Hopefully my brain will do a reboot and I'll forget what I just watched soon.
do not trust mdl ratings anymore and always give it a try, while you are curious.this site is already filled with…
You just have to look at the front page under "Shows Starting this Week". It's updated literally everyday i.e if we're on Tuesday, it shows dramas starting from this Tuesday to the following Monday. Honestly The Wonderfools like any other shows was there for a whole week, you can't miss it, and it's still there today until midnight in your country. You just have to think of checking it out once or twice a week and you won't miss any shows which is dropping all its episodes at once.
Thanks for the reviews ^^ Won't bother watching ^^That's why it's always better to wait for other people to waste their time BEFORE you engage yours.
Of course, opinions are subjective... BUT there's enough tragedy in this world currently, and I have my own set of problems to deal with, I don't need another portion of depression in my free time thank you. Beautiful cinematography and good acting is not gonna make the whole thing more joyful.
Trying to find some empathy for Kang Seol Ri but I can't muster any. Girl is cosplaying as the victim, it really irks me to no end. You literally witnessed a murder and you turned a blind eye to it... You're way worse than Hae Gang ever was. At least Jin Eon is owning up to his "meandering" but Seol Ri? Will there ever be a single scene in which she atones for what she did? She's pretty nasty imho. At least you can understand where Hae Gang is coming from. She probably became ruthless because she felt she had to give back to the family who accepted her marriage even if she wasn't proper "wife material" for their precious son... But she only played dirty with outsiders not with people within her own circle. Seol Ri though? Selfish through and through. Can't stand Seol Ri's character especially since I know she'll probably not get the Karma she deserves.
It is one of the weirdest comment section I've seen. I have to admit that I've been more on the c- drama side…
Ah yeah well. True... I used to me more strict but I became pretty generous ever since I came on this website. I think the issue stems from the fact that you can rate in "halves". On MyAnimeList, it's either a 7 or an 8, so there's less leeway for approximate ratings... Still you can't vote in halves on Viki and ratings are way more overblown there and Japanese dramas still tend to get lower ratings so there's definitely a trend.
It is one of the weirdest comment section I've seen. I have to admit that I've been more on the c- drama side…
True. The ratings for C dramas are even more messed up than the ones for K dramas imho. Overblown ratings is a stapple in MDL Cdrama land. Compared to those, K drama ratings seem more balanced. J dramas are always getting the short end of the stick though.
It is one of the weirdest comment section I've seen. I have to admit that I've been more on the c- drama side…
Actually the C Drama section can be just as toxic, actually even worse. The stupid fan wars between Zhao Lusi's fans and Esther Yu's is probably at the top of the toxic pole though. POJ is crazy popular but apart from Zhang Ling He, his co-star is just not as high on the popular pole compared to say Bai Lu, Zhao Lusi or Esther Yu. Things would have been VERY different if the FL had been more popular ( this being said, Tian Xi Wei is bound to have a surge of popularity given the success of most her latest projects).
The main issue is you should be able to post a negative opinion about this show here without having to face 30 comments of angered fans insulting you for your opinion and saying you're an anti or whatnot. Might be the case, might be not but at the end of the day, these excessive reactions leads to people over-posting negative comments because of course, it's a normal reaction. Nobody likes to be told what to do or think so if you gang up on someone you can be sure others are gonna post the exact same negative comments creating a loop of negativity.
If people took negative criticism just for what it is i. e an opinion things wouldn't go out of proportion. People are free to like or dislike a show and express their opinion. They shouldn't feel personally attacked for it. Ultimately, if you enjoy it, you can just say to the person who commented that you disagree and explain why you disagree with their comment.
No need to get that personal. It's a DRAMA and these actors are neither your friends nor your family members. They're doing their job, If people don't like their performance as viewers, they have the right to criticize without being being ganged up on.
Do these negative comments have any impact on your appreciation of the show? Do we need to force people to like the same things we like?
That is the biggest problem with all these popular shows. When the Star Gossip had the same issue in reverse. People who enjoyed it where among the minority, but if they dared say they liked the show, they would be attacked by an avalanche of comments about how they were either idiots or supported pro-life propaganda or both. Might have been the case who knows... but once 1 or 2 people have answered, do they need 15 other people commenting the same thing and insulting them for their liking of the drama?
Geezus... That's why when I occasionally comment, I tend to stay away from airing dramas that are among the 10 most viewed... I comment mostly on popular dramas when they've finished airing months or years ago.
This comment section is truly ridiculous. Yet another demonstration of why comment sections of dramas ( no matter the country) should be avoided when being aired if the main actors are among the most popular.
I've stayed away 5 days, came back to see some comments and all I see is another ridiculous fanwars with a couple of genuinely interesting comments but one has to waste time filtering through the trash to find them.
Well... Fine. I'll just do like the silent majority and avoid the comment section altogether. Sadly, they're the best part of MDL... WHEN the shows and the actors aren't too popular. Otherwise as usual, fans and anti-fans just come to ruin the fun for the rest of us.
Girl !!!! Please watch ep 8-10 together!!! You'll save yourself a headache honestly!!!
Yeah this is what I intend to do IF episode 10 ends on a positive note. If not, I'm waiting next week to binge everything. The advantage of staying away from the drama for a week is that it makes it easier to stay away longer.
Wow.. This comment section is getting... err intense? Given the few tidbits I watched last week I had decided to binge episode 7 to 10 this weekend.... BUUUUUUUUUT I think I'm gonna make sure tomorrow's episode ends on a high note... Otherwise it's okay I'll just binge episode 7 to 12 next week.
Seems like the Com' part of the rom com' has left the room last week.
Ok spoiled myself the ending... Didn't like it... Watched 2 episodes, dropped it for later... Spoiled myself the end.... ANNNNNNND I'm glad I spoiled myself. Definitely NOT for me. But I'm sure some people will enjoy the "last" plot twist. Hate that type of ending... So I'm glad I didn't invest more time in this show.
Dropping this one after 2 episodes. Honestly the show is pretty funny. I'm just not in the mood for an office romance at present so not the best moment to really enjoy the show at its right value. Will check people's comments after the show has finished. Hopefully the show delivers up to the end. If not, at least I will have avoided wasting my time.
Lol just started that one because the comment section is overall pretty positive... And I'm 8mn in and...
Err... Is the shirtless scene a standard in rom coms now?
Not complaining here, I love eye candies like the next person, but my God I feel for these Korean actors. They have only a couple of shirtless scenes yet they have to train like crazy to maintain these crazy proportions.
Honestly, if I spent that much time at the gym + all the crazy diet ( because you don't get a get a body like that with just exercising, you need the diet that goes with it otherwise even without overeating, your body would naturally settle for a bit more fat and less defined muscles), I would want to flaunt that body in every scene.
And yet these poor dudes have like 30 seconds of abs glory before hiding all these efforts behind a shirt. Such a waste.
I am waiting for it to be finished before watching it. But the genres of Reverse in Kocowa is always romance (main…
Yeah well I can tell you 100000000% that it's a mistake on Kocowa's part. I'm dropping this one because I'm not in the mood currently but frankly there's not an ounce of romance even as a subgenre. There's some couple story but it's included in the thriller aspect, nothing romantic in here. Just to be clear. Better be warned instead of hoping for something that will never happen.
I'm not even talking about romance as a sub-sub-sub genre. It's not there at all.
ml is 35-40 fl is 17... zuo yes character supposed to be his son but they changed it to cousin or nephew
Lol yes... Personally I see these verticals a bit like fast food. It sure is tasty but one should watch it with moderation otherwise it will start to affect your brain cells.
But personally I haven't eaten at a fast food since the last time I worked in one... That was over 22 years ago, and honestly I'm not missing it in the least.
No disrespect, I understand the appeal. I'm just not the target public and that's perfectly fine. As for fanwars... they're one of the biggest reason why I often go through long periods during which I don't comment on MDL. People should really get a life.
I remember when I first tried to watch this drama back when it aired a little bit over 10 years ago... I was so frustrated I dropped it. Waited for all episodes to be out, started it again... Spoiled myself all episodes... Dropped it again.
Well the third time is the charm I guess... I still got frustrated and "speed watched" literally the whole series in order to be able to "bear" episode 1 to 9 which I think are the most difficult to get through - Took me almost 20 days no less!
We already know what is going to happen but seeing Hae Gang trying desperately to save her marriage and endure public humiliation through the hands of her own husband is a tough watch. As frustrating as it is though, I still think it's necessary because the payoff once her ex-husband starts to realize how much he hurt his wife is really something. Watching Hae Kang throwing at him the very same hurtful lines he cruelly threw at her while she was still at her weakest trying to hold on to her marriage and cope with the death of their child, and the responsibility she had in it, is really satisfying.
I've got to admit that the groveling ML (or Top in BLs) who regrets his past hurtful actions and has to win back the love he lost is one of my ultimate favorite trope. I can never get enough of it. Probably because in real life, cheaters rarely genuinely regret the hurt they caused. They only regret getting caught and having to face the consequence of their actions.
Since I've literally spoiled myself everything and have watched the whole drama up to the point where it started ( the drama start with an event and then we get 9 episodes of flashback before going round to where we started in the series), I'm gonna slowly watch the rest without skipping anything...
This being said, as mentioned by other members below, it's one of these needlessly overly long oldies so it's not made to be binged. It's made to be watched weekly at a steady pace so while you obviously are going to watch it faster since all episodes are out I wouldn't recommend speed running it.
The rating is a bit harsh per the MDL rating system... But MDL's ratings have gone to sheep years ago so no surprise here.
I'd say the biggest flaw is its length... 30 to 40 episodes would have been ideal but weekenders were almost all 50 episodes back then so... no surprise.
This being said, if the "remorseful possessive and jealous ML who has to grovel to win back his love who is bent on leaving him behind for good" is your thing... This is certainly the best K drama for that. Trust my 21 years of K drama addiction. You won't find a better fit on this particular trope. I wish there was a bit more possessiveness and jealousy that had been thrown in there but I guess we needed some conflicts that weren't couple related to cater to a wider audience so the Business aspect takes a bit too much space in the last 10/20 episodes. Bit sad.
jpny01's is dishonest... It's not the worst BL of all time... It's one of the worst. There's a difference. Nobody knows how bad a Thai BL can be, once you think you've seen the bottom of the abyss, some always manage to get a shovel to dig dipper.
Anyways, dunno why but I was thinking of the two male leads of this atrocity and I was 100% sure that none of them would ever manage to get another contract because YES this drama sucked but they BOTH sucked so bad in the acting department that even the acting couldn't even give this thing an ounce of redeeming quality... So imagine my surprise to see that Tonkhao didn't quit after this awful performance and still managed to be active in the industry with a lead role with renown Thai actors no less!
Well either he's got a very good network and an excellent agent who managed to pull some strings for him... OR he drastically worked to better his acting and managed to pass an audition in spite of this terrible beginning. For James though, no surprise. Dunno if he gave up or if he never managed to get another contract... But hey, best of luck to both of them...
That's not the nicest comment but I have to say I still mourn the precious time I ever wasted on this sh***. I actually gave up my GagaOolala subscription after this one. The trauma was just too deep.
I wish they'd have been a bit more creative with how it came out rather than them just having the contract just…
Well sadly we got one big cliché out, just I'm bracing myself for another especially given the preview... Seems Hui Ju is planning on the noble idiocy. If it goes that route I'm binging episode 7 to 12... Otherwise I'm just gonna be seriously annoyed. The contract getting out trope should just be buried inthe center of the earth as far as I'm concerned and never EVER be brought out.
I wonder who revealed the fact that they were a contract couple.(Well not so much of a contract couple anymore…
Probably the prime Minister. (Didn't watch the episode I'm just guessing). They've set him up for it. With Yi An's looks and the way Hui Ju looks at him, he would be crazy to think they're not gonna "consume the marriage" for 3 years. He probably snapped.
I'm gonna do like literally everyone and pretend this season never existed.
Final ratings 3:
1 for the actors + 1 for the crew (CGIs included) + 1 for the Production value. Sheepiest writing I've seen in a while. A bunch of characters we don't give a sheep about, special mention for the useless sister who basically remained useless up until the end even though they tried to make her appear useful... this character had absolutely no character. Usagi? Ruined! Wheelchair guy? Sad excuse of a human being which they dared to give a somewhat redemption arc at the end as if Arisu should be grateful for him saving Usagi's bottom when he was responsible for this whole mess in the first place.
Also Usagi... From badass climber to damsel in distress whose bottom needed to be saved by a guy in a WHEELCHAIR. My God How the mighty have fallen.
Talk about character assassination...🤬🤬🤬
Hopefully my brain will do a reboot and I'll forget what I just watched soon.
Of course, opinions are subjective... BUT there's enough tragedy in this world currently, and I have my own set of problems to deal with, I don't need another portion of depression in my free time thank you. Beautiful cinematography and good acting is not gonna make the whole thing more joyful.
Hard pass.
The main issue is you should be able to post a negative opinion about this show here without having to face 30 comments of angered fans insulting you for your opinion and saying you're an anti or whatnot. Might be the case, might be not but at the end of the day, these excessive reactions leads to people over-posting negative comments because of course, it's a normal reaction. Nobody likes to be told what to do or think so if you gang up on someone you can be sure others are gonna post the exact same negative comments creating a loop of negativity.
If people took negative criticism just for what it is i. e an opinion things wouldn't go out of proportion. People are free to like or dislike a show and express their opinion. They shouldn't feel personally attacked for it. Ultimately, if you enjoy it, you can just say to the person who commented that you disagree and explain why you disagree with their comment.
No need to get that personal. It's a DRAMA and these actors are neither your friends nor your family members. They're doing their job, If people don't like their performance as viewers, they have the right to criticize without being being ganged up on.
Do these negative comments have any impact on your appreciation of the show? Do we need to force people to like the same things we like?
That is the biggest problem with all these popular shows. When the Star Gossip had the same issue in reverse. People who enjoyed it where among the minority, but if they dared say they liked the show, they would be attacked by an avalanche of comments about how they were either idiots or supported pro-life propaganda or both. Might have been the case who knows... but once 1 or 2 people have answered, do they need 15 other people commenting the same thing and insulting them for their liking of the drama?
Geezus... That's why when I occasionally comment, I tend to stay away from airing dramas that are among the 10 most viewed... I comment mostly on popular dramas when they've finished airing months or years ago.
I've stayed away 5 days, came back to see some comments and all I see is another ridiculous fanwars with a couple of genuinely interesting comments but one has to waste time filtering through the trash to find them.
Well... Fine. I'll just do like the silent majority and avoid the comment section altogether. Sadly, they're the best part of MDL... WHEN the shows and the actors aren't too popular.
Otherwise as usual, fans and anti-fans just come to ruin the fun for the rest of us.
Seems like the Com' part of the rom com' has left the room last week.
Didn't like it... Watched 2 episodes, dropped it for later... Spoiled myself the end.... ANNNNNNND I'm glad I spoiled myself. Definitely NOT for me. But I'm sure some people will enjoy the "last" plot twist. Hate that type of ending... So I'm glad I didn't invest more time in this show.
Nothing against the show. It's more a me-problem.
Err... Is the shirtless scene a standard in rom coms now?
Not complaining here, I love eye candies like the next person, but my God I feel for these Korean actors. They have only a couple of shirtless scenes yet they have to train like crazy to maintain these crazy proportions.
Honestly, if I spent that much time at the gym + all the crazy diet ( because you don't get a get a body like that with just exercising, you need the diet that goes with it otherwise even without overeating, your body would naturally settle for a bit more fat and less defined muscles), I would want to flaunt that body in every scene.
And yet these poor dudes have like 30 seconds of abs glory before hiding all these efforts behind a shirt. Such a waste.
That was my needless 2 cents.
I'm not even talking about romance as a sub-sub-sub genre. It's not there at all.
But personally I haven't eaten at a fast food since the last time I worked in one... That was over 22 years ago, and honestly I'm not missing it in the least.
No disrespect, I understand the appeal. I'm just not the target public and that's perfectly fine.
As for fanwars... they're one of the biggest reason why I often go through long periods during which I don't comment on MDL. People should really get a life.
Well the third time is the charm I guess... I still got frustrated and "speed watched" literally the whole series in order to be able to "bear" episode 1 to 9 which I think are the most difficult to get through - Took me almost 20 days no less!
We already know what is going to happen but seeing Hae Gang trying desperately to save her marriage and endure public humiliation through the hands of her own husband is a tough watch. As frustrating as it is though, I still think it's necessary because the payoff once her ex-husband starts to realize how much he hurt his wife is really something. Watching Hae Kang throwing at him the very same hurtful lines he cruelly threw at her while she was still at her weakest trying to hold on to her marriage and cope with the death of their child, and the responsibility she had in it, is really satisfying.
I've got to admit that the groveling ML (or Top in BLs) who regrets his past hurtful actions and has to win back the love he lost is one of my ultimate favorite trope. I can never get enough of it.
Probably because in real life, cheaters rarely genuinely regret the hurt they caused. They only regret getting caught and having to face the consequence of their actions.
Since I've literally spoiled myself everything and have watched the whole drama up to the point where it started ( the drama start with an event and then we get 9 episodes of flashback before going round to where we started in the series), I'm gonna slowly watch the rest without skipping anything...
This being said, as mentioned by other members below, it's one of these needlessly overly long oldies so it's not made to be binged. It's made to be watched weekly at a steady pace so while you obviously are going to watch it faster since all episodes are out I wouldn't recommend speed running it.
The rating is a bit harsh per the MDL rating system... But MDL's ratings have gone to sheep years ago so no surprise here.
I'd say the biggest flaw is its length... 30 to 40 episodes would have been ideal but weekenders were almost all 50 episodes back then so... no surprise.
This being said, if the "remorseful possessive and jealous ML who has to grovel to win back his love who is bent on leaving him behind for good" is your thing... This is certainly the best K drama for that. Trust my 21 years of K drama addiction. You won't find a better fit on this particular trope. I wish there was a bit more possessiveness and jealousy that had been thrown in there but I guess we needed some conflicts that weren't couple related to cater to a wider audience so the Business aspect takes a bit too much space in the last 10/20 episodes. Bit sad.
Anyways, dunno why but I was thinking of the two male leads of this atrocity and I was 100% sure that none of them would ever manage to get another contract because YES this drama sucked but they BOTH sucked so bad in the acting department that even the acting couldn't even give this thing an ounce of redeeming quality... So imagine my surprise to see that Tonkhao didn't quit after this awful performance and still managed to be active in the industry with a lead role with renown Thai actors no less!
Well either he's got a very good network and an excellent agent who managed to pull some strings for him... OR he drastically worked to better his acting and managed to pass an audition in spite of this terrible beginning. For James though, no surprise. Dunno if he gave up or if he never managed to get another contract... But hey, best of luck to both of them...
That's not the nicest comment but I have to say I still mourn the precious time I ever wasted on this sh***. I actually gave up my GagaOolala subscription after this one. The trauma was just too deep.