So it was the ex... Honestly it did cross my mind at some point because I didn't really see the point of her character yet she was given too much screentime for a nobody... She wasn't even in a love triangle of any sort because Ra Ik didn't care about her any more so all that screentime felt a bit weird to me...
Still... No certainty about any character so very well done.
If I had had to bet on someone, I'd probably have voted for the CEO since he only cared about keeping Ra Ik in his company and U Seong signing with another company meant Ra Ik would leave.
Glad I started this show late and just caught up for the two last episodes.
I think I would have gone insane if I had to patiently wait for 2 episodes each week especially since the Prosecuteor duo, Father and Son, is driving me up the wall.
Hopefully tonight the Son goes down, followed by his shi*** father tomorrow. I WANT BLOOD. πππ
Anyway, MDL ratings are a joke. This show was ( at episode 10, waiting for episode 12 for final verdict) great up to this point. I'm just removing 1 point for how much screentime was given to the most irritating characters especially at the beginning of the series.
The second half was more emotionally rooted with our main characters which I think fitted well. Overall a very good watch, very well-paced unlike many K dramas I've seen as of late...
I still have absolutely no idea who the murderer is... But who knows? It could me the ex's father for all we know or even the cleaning lady.
IF the Prosecutor and his ass*** of a father both don't get their comeuppance by the end of this show I'm gonna scream BLOODY MURDER.
I want not only their downfall but also utter humiliation. I want SENA to gloat onver their despicable corpses.
Here I said it. They both piss me off so much π€¬π€¬π€¬π€¬
Treating other people's lives as nothing but tools for their selfish ambitions. That's what you get when people with no moral compass have too much power.
I don't know who I hate more between the prosecutor and Jae Hui. The mother is also on another level...
Basically most secondary characters are annoying as hell. Even the other bandmate is annoying as fudge, it's one thing to be a freakin' coward but to outwardly lie when literally another bandmate is about to be branded a murderer and sent to jail is something else.
It would have been a okay cute little drama if it wasn't for its length which as usual with many modern romance C dramas was too long which ultimately hurt it.
I find it ironic how many wuxia's endings are rushed like there's no tomorrow when their modern romances are always sloooooooooooooooooow as fudge with overly long epilogues lasting several episodes.
I can now definitely say I prefer rushed endings to overly long ones.
I think I'm going to avoid the genre for a while given the last one I finished had exactly the same issue... albeit way worse than this one.
Just finished this and this is one of those dramas that you walk away going - this was just not for me, and that's…
Hmmm... I disagree with most of what you wrote though I do think you've got some fair points notably regarding the creepy sibling aspect. As somebody who has two brothers, I just can't for the life of me with that weird Asian fetish which I've seen in lots of Asian dramas especially Japanese. I've just learned to just "forget" the sibling aspect otherwise it's just too weird to me.
This being said, I loved her clothes throughout the whole drama except for the outfit at the airport when they're living Australia after meeting the mom.
BUT. That wedding dress was HORRENDOUS indeed π€‘ For the rest, I don't agree with the slap but I sure do for the Wedding dress. What the fudge seriously π€¦π½ββοΈπ€¦π½ββοΈπ€¦π½ββοΈπ€¦π½ββοΈ
It absolutely makes sense on the villain's part. The king stole his woman because the magistrate didn't have power…
Well the thing is, he's the one who pushed his lover to marry the King. She wasn't willing to and wanted him to stand his ground. Of course, the King was an ass*** so he could have still find a way to force the marriage anyway but that's not what happened.
Then I think it's pretty clear she only loved the Minister. The fact that you see her all smiling is all because of the child. She may have not liked the man, but she did love being a mother. I don't think it puts a shadow of doubt about her love for the Minister.
As for the Minister, if you love someone, that person's happiness should be your priority regardless of who the father was, the child is blameless and even if he didn't like him, the fact that the woman he loved went bonkers because she lost her son is a clear indicator, he should have told her the truth or at least bring him. Yet he was hell-bent on revenge. He ended up hating anything and anyone related to the Royal family which ended up hurting the woman he loved in the first place.
When the Minister was killed, I think it's pretty clear she was conflicted. There's a mix of being grateful for him saving her and her love for him but he also lied to her about her son. As much as, she doesn't necessarily know at that point, the details of what happened after she lost her mind, she does know he hid her son's survival to her and him causing her son to believe he was an orphan.
Killing the King was one thing, but separating a son from his mother, especially as young as he was back then was cruel. It's her son who prevents her from going to the Minister as he is dying but ultimately, her son is her priority, she doesn't want to betray him by going to the man who caused his father's death.
She might not have cared for the King, but he was still a good father to her son. Ultimately, she chooses to prioritize her son's feelings especially since they just reunited.
So the whole scene as heartbreaking as it was felt pretty natural to me... I do feel though that the son was cruel to hold back his mother at that point. After all, he did fall in love with his enemy's daughter who shot his own cousin. If it wasn't for Dal I, he would have fallen in love with his cousin's murderer who also happens to be the daughter of his Father's killer.
ALSO, regardless, what happened to his mother was not the Minister's fault. He should feel grateful the Minister saved his mother , if not for him, she would be dead. Yet we don't see a single scene where he directs his anger at the Grand Queen who is ultimately the main culprit for all that mess.
BUT, that's not the only thing that is unfair in this show. I was done the moment they used the baby Zhen bird to lure its mother and then burn her alive.
Such cruelty. Can't support these characters. Is it OK to kill a poor beast for the crime of being exploited for its poison? There was not one minute given to empathize over that poor bird and we didn't even get to know what happened to the baby.
RIP Zhen Bird, this show didn't deserve you. I won't forget you.
HAHA.. Episodes 15 to 29 are basically useless fillers. I made a whole rant about it below (see here: https://kisskh.at/757041-jiao-yang-si-wo#comment-24818856…
Actually Bionic Life was the first one I wanted to try but I need to be in the right mood for the genre.
It absolutely makes sense on the villain's part. The king stole his woman because the magistrate didn't have power…
Honestly the Minister was stupid. I agree the late King got what he deserved. He should also have taken his revenge on the superstitious grand Queen... and it should have stopped there.
He could have taken the deposed Crown King and reunite him with his mother, flee and live happily elsewhere.
His thirst for power feels weird. The idea was that he wanted to be powerful enough to protect her, yet she was already destroyed so what the hell was this all for? Or maybe he wanted his revenge + some interests.
Should have spend more of that time trying to find a solution for the deposed Queen's illness instead of wasting his time on revenge. His story was truly tragic, but all the empathy I had left when he started to murder civilians just because.
Btw they never revealed who was the mother of his daughter. Not that it was important... But still.
HAHA.. Episodes 15 to 29 are basically useless fillers. I made a whole rant about it below (see here: https://kisskh.at/757041-jiao-yang-si-wo#comment-24818856…
Well thank you for your recommendations ^^ I'll which one I watch first π
So I guess 2026 is not gonna be the year I get rid of my "Watch for completion's sake" sickness.
I've been struggling since episode 6. Now on episode 12 and thinking that it would be a pity to drop this now but my God I'm bored out of mind. It feels like I've been watching the same pattern repeating itself for a while now and it's getting tedious.
But there's "only" 3 episodes to go... so I want my "Completed" drama... which is stupid because WHO CARES APART FROM ME? Is it important? Am I getting money out of this waste of time? SO WHY OH WHY Don't I drop this???????
I must be missing some brain cells. Every year, I tell myself to stop this insanity and every year I keep on doing the same thing.
Due to my own studies, lots of former friends actually became researchers in various fields and none of them behave like robots. Hopefully they change that at some point... Too bad she was a main character here.
HAHA.. Episodes 15 to 29 are basically useless fillers. I made a whole rant about it below (see here: https://kisskh.at/757041-jiao-yang-si-wo#comment-24818856…
SnL is the best modern Chinese romance I've seen so far ^^ so I'm glad you also loved it. ^^ Definitely gonna read the novel at some point.
For this one though, personally I've reached episode 31 so I feel obligated to finish this... That was my first drama with SWL... so I have no opinion regarding him as an actor... I really like his face though and I have already lined up a couple of dramas he acted in that I want to check out. Hopefully these will be better.
Most of the dialogues as mentioned were here to fill the minutes and were pretty flat so I'm not gonna blame any stiffness on the actors but rather on how poor most of the dialogues were.
its weird af to complain about the genre having its elements lmao why don't you want e-sports? thats weird
There's nothing weird about complaining about it... I'm not gonna reread my comment but I'm pretty sure I mentioned that the issue was the amount of e-sport shown... If you watch a movie on a boxer, you wouldn't want to spend more than half the time watching him box. You're here for the story, the buildup leading to the match... otherwise it's gonna be boring as fudge. Plain and simple.
You've got to show enough so that the non-initiated knows enough to understand the struggle of your characters but not too much to avoid boring most of your audience. YOU SHOULD show only the important parts about the match... not the whole thing.
cdrama quality is nowhere near korean dramas i dont know where these claims are coming from?
Wuxia and Xianxia are specific to China but both are part of the Fantasy genre and each country has its own brand.
In that respect, China does it way better and more often. When it comes to SK, Netflix has produced quite a fair number of K drama Fantasies set in Modern settings such as Sweet Home or All of Us are Dead and they tend to fare pretty well but more "classical Fantasy" tend to fall short.
The only ones in recent years worth mentioning is Kingdom (Netflix), and Alchemy of Souls... Actually is there ANY other produced in the genre apart from these two?
Before that, there was the 2007 blockbuster K drama "The Legend" which cost a fortune and tanked in terms of audience. That, plus the controversy surrounding the 2021 K drama "Joseon Exorcist" really tanked the whole thing in South Korea. If it wasn't for Netflix, I doubt these type of Fantasy stories would still be produced in SK.
You do get some fusion sageuks here and there, but epic stories with huge stakes and large casts is something that SK has mostly abandoned. It's not that SK is not capable of producing it or that it doesn't exist at all, but the cost of production is higher and there's too many stories of producers or producing companies going bankrupt by taking the risk of producing one.
China does lots of Webnovel adaptations. If you read Korean, you'll find Fantasy and Romantic Fantasy is actually one, if not THE most popular genre in Korean Webnovels. It's not something unique to China. SK have also their own culture and lore, worth adapting on TV, they just have cold feet on the whole matter.
Anyway, my answer was regarding the comparison between C dramas and K dramas... The original commenter didn't say anything about J dramas or others.
I'm personally not too fond of Japanese thrillers which I find too "dry" for me... But it's more a matter of taste. I always find their stories great but the way their characters are written leaves me cold and so I honestly don't care what happens to them regardless of how well their stories are written...( of course there's some exceptions but usually that's how I feel).
One could also argue that when it comes to Horror, the Thais are on top and they're currently going through a huge boom especially in the Film industry...
But all of that jazz to say that affirming that C dramas are better than K Dramas, or vice versa or whatever is oversimplifying things. It comes more from a place of ignorance than anything. There's so many things produced, nobody can check everything... It's not because you saw a terrible C drama years ago with poor special effects, that they still look the same now.
Everybody is fighting for the Soft Power Pie, every country is upping their games, there's good things to find everywhere...
The only thing I 100% agree though, is the fact that Netflix, Disney + etc... are currently ruining the K drama industry. Most K dramas as of late feel bland, stale, rinse and repeat of the same thing albeit for a few exceptions and that's entirely on Netflix and the likes who wants to play it safe.
So it was the ex...
Honestly it did cross my mind at some point because I didn't really see the point of her character yet she was given too much screentime for a nobody... She wasn't even in a love triangle of any sort because Ra Ik didn't care about her any more so all that screentime felt a bit weird to me...
Still... No certainty about any character so very well done.
If I had had to bet on someone, I'd probably have voted for the CEO since he only cared about keeping Ra Ik in his company and U Seong signing with another company meant Ra Ik would leave.
I think I would have gone insane if I had to patiently wait for 2 episodes each week especially since the Prosecuteor duo, Father and Son, is driving me up the wall.
Hopefully tonight the Son goes down, followed by his shi*** father tomorrow. I WANT BLOOD. πππ
Anyway, MDL ratings are a joke. This show was ( at episode 10, waiting for episode 12 for final verdict) great up to this point. I'm just removing 1 point for how much screentime was given to the most irritating characters especially at the beginning of the series.
The second half was more emotionally rooted with our main characters which I think fitted well.
Overall a very good watch, very well-paced unlike many K dramas I've seen as of late...
I still have absolutely no idea who the murderer is... But who knows? It could me the ex's father for all we know or even the cleaning lady.
I want not only their downfall but also utter humiliation. I want SENA to gloat onver their despicable corpses.
Here I said it.
They both piss me off so much π€¬π€¬π€¬π€¬
Treating other people's lives as nothing but tools for their selfish ambitions. That's what you get when people with no moral compass have too much power.
Hang in there because they really don't get better.
But err what does haram bit* mean?
I don't know who I hate more between the prosecutor and Jae Hui. The mother is also on another level...
Basically most secondary characters are annoying as hell. Even the other bandmate is annoying as fudge, it's one thing to be a freakin' coward but to outwardly lie when literally another bandmate is about to be branded a murderer and sent to jail is something else.
If only they had less screentime...
I find it ironic how many wuxia's endings are rushed like there's no tomorrow when their modern romances are always sloooooooooooooooooow as fudge with overly long epilogues lasting several episodes.
I can now definitely say I prefer rushed endings to overly long ones.
I think I'm going to avoid the genre for a while given the last one I finished had exactly the same issue... albeit way worse than this one.
This being said, I loved her clothes throughout the whole drama except for the outfit at the airport when they're living Australia after meeting the mom.
BUT. That wedding dress was HORRENDOUS indeed π€‘ For the rest, I don't agree with the slap but I sure do for the Wedding dress. What the fudge seriously π€¦π½ββοΈπ€¦π½ββοΈπ€¦π½ββοΈπ€¦π½ββοΈ
Then I think it's pretty clear she only loved the Minister. The fact that you see her all smiling is all because of the child. She may have not liked the man, but she did love being a mother. I don't think it puts a shadow of doubt about her love for the Minister.
As for the Minister, if you love someone, that person's happiness should be your priority regardless of who the father was, the child is blameless and even if he didn't like him, the fact that the woman he loved went bonkers because she lost her son is a clear indicator, he should have told her the truth or at least bring him. Yet he was hell-bent on revenge. He ended up hating anything and anyone related to the Royal family which ended up hurting the woman he loved in the first place.
When the Minister was killed, I think it's pretty clear she was conflicted. There's a mix of being grateful for him saving her and her love for him but he also lied to her about her son. As much as, she doesn't necessarily know at that point, the details of what happened after she lost her mind, she does know he hid her son's survival to her and him causing her son to believe he was an orphan.
Killing the King was one thing, but separating a son from his mother, especially as young as he was back then was cruel. It's her son who prevents her from going to the Minister as he is dying but ultimately, her son is her priority, she doesn't want to betray him by going to the man who caused his father's death.
She might not have cared for the King, but he was still a good father to her son. Ultimately, she chooses to prioritize her son's feelings especially since they just reunited.
So the whole scene as heartbreaking as it was felt pretty natural to me... I do feel though that the son was cruel to hold back his mother at that point. After all, he did fall in love with his enemy's daughter who shot his own cousin. If it wasn't for Dal I, he would have fallen in love with his cousin's murderer who also happens to be the daughter of his Father's killer.
ALSO, regardless, what happened to his mother was not the Minister's fault. He should feel grateful the Minister saved his mother , if not for him, she would be dead. Yet we don't see a single scene where he directs his anger at the Grand Queen who is ultimately the main culprit for all that mess.
BUT, that's not the only thing that is unfair in this show. I was done the moment they used the baby Zhen bird to lure its mother and then burn her alive.
Such cruelty. Can't support these characters. Is it OK to kill a poor beast for the crime of being exploited for its poison? There was not one minute given to empathize over that poor bird and we didn't even get to know what happened to the baby.
RIP Zhen Bird, this show didn't deserve you. I won't forget you.
That was my long two cents.
Good Watching to you too!π«‘
Great drama watching to you to ^^
He could have taken the deposed Crown King and reunite him with his mother, flee and live happily elsewhere.
His thirst for power feels weird. The idea was that he wanted to be powerful enough to protect her, yet she was already destroyed so what the hell was this all for? Or maybe he wanted his revenge + some interests.
Should have spend more of that time trying to find a solution for the deposed Queen's illness instead of wasting his time on revenge. His story was truly tragic, but all the empathy I had left when he started to murder civilians just because.
Btw they never revealed who was the mother of his daughter. Not that it was important... But still.
I've been struggling since episode 6. Now on episode 12 and thinking that it would be a pity to drop this now but my God I'm bored out of mind. It feels like I've been watching the same pattern repeating itself for a while now and it's getting tedious.
But there's "only" 3 episodes to go... so I want my "Completed" drama... which is stupid because WHO CARES APART FROM ME? Is it important? Am I getting money out of this waste of time? SO WHY OH WHY Don't I drop this???????
I must be missing some brain cells. Every year, I tell myself to stop this insanity and every year I keep on doing the same thing.
Due to my own studies, lots of former friends actually became researchers in various fields and none of them behave like robots. Hopefully they change that at some point... Too bad she was a main character here.
For this one though, personally I've reached episode 31 so I feel obligated to finish this... That was my first drama with SWL... so I have no opinion regarding him as an actor... I really like his face though and I have already lined up a couple of dramas he acted in that I want to check out. Hopefully these will be better.
Most of the dialogues as mentioned were here to fill the minutes and were pretty flat so I'm not gonna blame any stiffness on the actors but rather on how poor most of the dialogues were.
You've got to show enough so that the non-initiated knows enough to understand the struggle of your characters but not too much to avoid boring most of your audience.
YOU SHOULD show only the important parts about the match... not the whole thing.
In that respect, China does it way better and more often. When it comes to SK, Netflix has produced quite a fair number of K drama Fantasies set in Modern settings such as Sweet Home or All of Us are Dead and they tend to fare pretty well but more "classical Fantasy" tend to fall short.
The only ones in recent years worth mentioning is Kingdom (Netflix), and Alchemy of Souls... Actually is there ANY other produced in the genre apart from these two?
Before that, there was the 2007 blockbuster K drama "The Legend" which cost a fortune and tanked in terms of audience. That, plus the controversy surrounding the 2021 K drama "Joseon Exorcist" really tanked the whole thing in South Korea. If it wasn't for Netflix, I doubt these type of Fantasy stories would still be produced in SK.
You do get some fusion sageuks here and there, but epic stories with huge stakes and large casts is something that SK has mostly abandoned. It's not that SK is not capable of producing it or that it doesn't exist at all, but the cost of production is higher and there's too many stories of producers or producing companies going bankrupt by taking the risk of producing one.
China does lots of Webnovel adaptations. If you read Korean, you'll find Fantasy and Romantic Fantasy is actually one, if not THE most popular genre in Korean Webnovels. It's not something unique to China. SK have also their own culture and lore, worth adapting on TV, they just have cold feet on the whole matter.
Anyway, my answer was regarding the comparison between C dramas and K dramas... The original commenter didn't say anything about J dramas or others.
I'm personally not too fond of Japanese thrillers which I find too "dry" for me... But it's more a matter of taste. I always find their stories great but the way their characters are written leaves me cold and so I honestly don't care what happens to them regardless of how well their stories are written...( of course there's some exceptions but usually that's how I feel).
One could also argue that when it comes to Horror, the Thais are on top and they're currently going through a huge boom especially in the Film industry...
But all of that jazz to say that affirming that C dramas are better than K Dramas, or vice versa or whatever is oversimplifying things. It comes more from a place of ignorance than anything. There's so many things produced, nobody can check everything... It's not because you saw a terrible C drama years ago with poor special effects, that they still look the same now.
Everybody is fighting for the Soft Power Pie, every country is upping their games, there's good things to find everywhere...
The only thing I 100% agree though, is the fact that Netflix, Disney + etc... are currently ruining the K drama industry. Most K dramas as of late feel bland, stale, rinse and repeat of the same thing albeit for a few exceptions and that's entirely on Netflix and the likes who wants to play it safe.