Kannadin

LOL! Answering you here since I saw you answered but I had to open the thread in a private window since I blocked the individual who answered to you ^^ and hence can't see any subsequent answers on my account.
Since this topic appeared I went from 6 blocked users... to 32.
I'd say that's a GREAT haul 🤣🤣🤣 Makes my stay on MDL so much more agreeable😂

It has been mentioned several times, but that part has been mistranslated in English it's actually Izmael bombarding Paltima in Korean.

Lol Vico SDL. I'm actually really 'enjoying' it. I come back from time to time just to check who I should block... such as the individual who just answered to you... I can still answer here because I haven't refreshed this page yet... As you mentionned, they're being needlessly aggressive ^^ Hence, blocked. Don't want to interact with such people on any topic whatsoever:

" i’m getting free bullets just by BEING here (can’t believe i didn’t Even take sides and i’m still getting shot)"

I got that several times on MDL just talking about dramas and actors. Rude and aggressive people are the same regardless of the subject.

I'm an idiot so personally shows I've naively started are probably shows I'm gonna try to finish, that includes a couple of K dramas fully produced by the US unfortunatly... Including Squid Game... WHICH 2nd season I didn't bother to watch for one reason: we already knew there'd be a 3rd.

So right now I'm playing the waiting game: First: Let the 3rd season come out... Then check the 3rd season IS THE LAST SEASON.
Than watch it.

If they trick people with a 4th season, I'm gonna drop it like you did. Right now I know they don't deserve it but I haven't completely thrown the towel.
This being said I'm like you, I'm reluctant... but I still give in. Just. The selection process is complicated and doesn't always work.

Gyeongseong Creature looked interesting... then before I started it, I learned a second season had already been announced as it had already been filmed.
So I thought there would be a conclusion... Started the show soon after the second season finished airing.... and then learned the ending is not really an ending... Now I'm reluctant to start the second season.

This being, I watch most of my K dramas on Viki which is far less expensive than Netflix and Disney + and since Viki doesn't produce any shows, theirs is always fully produced by K Companies. That's not to say sequels aren't available (Taxi Driver is one such example) but compared to Netflix and Disney + it's a tiny minority so at least when I pick up a show I'm not thinking too much regarding if there's gonna be other seasons or not.

If K Dramas turn like US series... Well, there's still Chinese shows, so there's that... Lots of them are pretty awesome in my opinion... but culturally speaking... it's not the same... and sometimes the censorship just drag the story down. so there's that...

I've got no hope for US shows anymore. I don't remember when I stopped watching them but I think it dates back to a series called 'Pushing Daisies'. I LOVED that series, but then scenarists went on strike as it was airing - I haven't followed the latest conflict but the bottom line is Hollywood never learns to respect and value their creators - and the series' ending got completely butchered... I guess it wasn't successful enough for them to save it after the strikes?

And it was so quirky and lovely too...

The problem you're mentioning is a new one that has literally come with streaming platforms. they want instant success and instead of waiting and giving the time to audience to discover the show they just cancel it if it doesn't get a huge success from the get got regardless of the quality of the show.
Hugely successful shows are milked dry, good shows that go unnoticed for a couple of months or even less get canceled.

WHICH IS STUPID. Not every show can be Squid Game or Stranger Things, does it mean all other shows don't deserve a little love?

Maybe at some point they will learn if enough people start being fed up with them and no longer bother to watch these, who knows? But good luck to them to gain back the audience they've repeatedly disappointed.

Are you saying this because you read the info somewhere or are you just hoping that's the case?

It's not really the issue... They could do that with another series and new characters ... These characters have finished their journey, let's put them to rest. I'm gonna quote a post I made on another series to explain what problem I have with that system...

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Said post was made regarding the next series staring Ju Ji Hoon as lead and though it speaks of Netflix and Disney + the core problem is the same:

" The idea is not to sell you 8 episodes but at least 30 or even more over the span of many years so that you keep coming back to their plaforms.

Stories aren't made to 'binge' or 'not binge'. They're supposed to have a beginning, a middle and an end whether you watch it in one go or over the span of several days or weeks is your own preference.

Netflix or Disney + or any other such big American platforms' goal is not to provide you a with good story: it's to provide you with something that makes you come back to their platform.
Quality doesn't matter what matters is your time.

Hence the idea is to sell one good season. If people are hooked, they're gonna milk it as usual and people are gonna stick to it as they always do because they get attached to the show's characters even if season 2 is not as good as the first one and the 3rd season is worse than the second and so on and so forth... hoping desperately for the feelings they got watching the 1st season to come back... Which... is not going to happen since all subsequent seasons are gonna be mediocre: Not bad enough for you to drop it given the time already invested but not good enough to rave about it.

Until there's no viewers left and most people feel like they've been cheated out of their precious time and money and complain endlessly about the fact that the series should have stopped after the first season... AS IT ALWAYS HAPPEN albeit for a few exceptions.

Anyway, anybody is free to spend/waste their time as they wish. I've fled US TV series because of that, now they want to bring it to K-tv... For the moment it's still a minority of shows... but a growing minority alas...

But it's cool I'm out of that shit show. Not trusting any K-dramas exclusively produced by Netflix or Disney + any more. "

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If you skipped that part because the post is long, it's cool. I'm not judging a show that hasn't aired yet, it might turn out to be good HOWEVER I'm sick and tired of American multi seasons shows, sick and tired of movie sequels, movie and series remakes... And it would be okay if that stayed in the US but nope. I guess shareholders have seen that people still give a chance to these shows so now it's invading K-Dramaland.

I don't think I'm the only one who is not seeing this as something positive.

This being said, I'm personally not gonna bother unless people are raving about it AND I know it finishes with some form of closure and not a 'see you next season'. Anybody's free to do what they want. It's just my personal opinion, not judging anyone who wants to give this show a chance.

I'm just very disappointed by what is currently happening. The more they do that, the more I'm turning away from K dramas and moving to Chinese ones.

What's the point exactly? Getting a second season for Signal is normal given how the series ended/not ended but this is just another proof of South Korea being polluted by the US multi-seasons format. I didn't watch Misaeng entirely but I spoiled myself the end so yeah. It was a good ending.

Really just why?

The beauty of K dramas is the fact that each time you get a new story you know is going to end. In the US, you know when a series starts never when it's gonna reach a conclusion. So many creative writers with fresh ideas but nope, gotta recycle the same story over and over again.

But thanks for the article anyway. It just reminded me that I still want to watch that one. I'll be watching the first season and staying away from the second ( which if successful will probably get a third season and so on and so forth).

Really K dramaland dashing to the path of self-destruction ruining everything that made it successful in the first place...

Based on what you said, it's not easy for you as well for sure...
The issue when you combine religion + homophobia is that in the mix, the people who hurt you the most are the same who are doing it for your 'own good'. They think you're bound to wake up one day from your 'deluded episode' and regret bitterly the life you've led and the 'choices' you've made as if these were a choices in the first place. They're basically doing it 'for you' because they 'love you'. They think they don't necessarily hate you but your 'condition' even if said 'condition' is just part of who you are.

Even if they are 'right', the only person you're hurting is yourself at the end of the day but since they can't bear the idea of something horrible happening to you because of your 'condition', they want to 'save you' even if YOU don't realize they're doing it with your sole interest in mind... if we follow the logic of the 'less toxic' members of the group.

Regarding this, something I've repeated a LOT to my own mother:
'The only person I will have to live with until the day I die, is myself so my first and most important duty to myself is to make sure I live according to who I am, in order to be at peace with myself, and not according to how others want me to.'

Hope it gives you a bit of strength. Life's a long journey, and these issues are complicated but honestly I think one of the worst thing you can do to yourself, is pretending to be what you're not, so I salute you for being courageous enough to embrace yourself as you are.

It really depends on how much race, religion or social status weighs in your personal life. For some people this can a truly completely problem to solve. In India, murders are still happening because of people loving a person of a different religion than their own.

I'm not saying they should have changed the central theme on homophobia... Just that we could definitely transfer it to other issues. Of course it's not gonna be exactly the same, but the consequences can be just as dramatic depending on where you're from.

The main difference I guess is that people from the LGBTQ+ community have to fight Society as a whole on top of their family, but since the drama only dealt with the family aspect and not the societal aspect, my comment was only directed to that aspect of their struggle.

As usual in these types of conflict, people can feign openness as long as it doesn't concern someone from their own family, that's when the curtain falls and you realize people you thought would naturally be ok with certain things just aren't.

I won't specify which particular issue I faced... But I've gone through that 20 years ago. I had to make peace with lots of things, I made the work... My family never completely did. It's still a sore subject, got almost cut off from them and our relation have never been the same since. AND they still regularly try to 'push their agenda' on me...

And I'm almost 40... Sigh...Even if they apparently give in at some point - if they ever do which might never happen when it comes to homosexuality... - they're never gonna give it up. It's more a matter of having no choice BUT to accept than truly accepting you as you are.

The mother was very difficult to watch for me as well. Reminded me of my mum 20 years ago. Really my blood pressure watching this show...
Just talking about it makes me angry.

So err... I want to make sure the question is seen so I'm leaving it open but it's a spoiler so if you haven't watched the series yet you can skip that post

OPEN SPOILER QUESTION:

Didn't the aunt kill ther own maid? I just don't understand how she was only prosecuted for 'attempted murder' on Home when she literally admitted she got rid of her maid and we saw her maid's ghost. Also in the following episode, Home is asking the uncle if they can reduce her aunt's punition but... Isn't the aunt A MURDERER? Why was the maid never mentioned again? I just don't get that part so if I've missed something please do tell.

Thanks in advance.

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The idea is not to sell you 8 episodes but at least 30 or even more over the span of many years so that you keep coming back to their plaforms.

Stories aren't made to 'binge' or 'not binge'. They're supposed to have a beginning, a middle and an end whether you watch it in one go or over the span of several days or weeks is your own preference.

Netflix or Disney + or any other such big American platforms' goal is not to provide you a with good story: it's to provide you with something that makes you come back to their platform.
Quality doesn't matter what matters is your time.

Hence the idea is to sell one good season. If people are hooked, they're gonna milk it as usual and people are gonna stick to it as they always do because they get attached to the show's characters even if season 2 is not as good as the first one and the 3rd season is worse than the second and so on and so forth... hoping desperatly for the feelings they got watching the 1st season to come back... Which... is not going to happen since all subsequent seasons are gonna be mediocre: Not bad enough for you to drop it given the time already invested but not good enough to rave about it.

Until there's no viewers left and most people feel like they've been cheated out of their precious time and money and complain endlessly about the fact that the series should have stopped after the first season... AS IT ALWAYS HAPPEN albeit for a few exceptions.

Anyway, anybody is free to spend/waste their time as they wish. I've fled US TV series because of that, now they want to bring it to K-tv... For the moment it's still a minority of shows... but a growing minority alas...

But it's cool I'm out of that shit show. Not trusting any K-dramas exclusively produced by Netflix or Disney + any more.

Can't really say. I had some off-days during which I allowed myself to not to anything and I watched the 31 episodes during that time.... I did feel some parts were slower but since I almost binged all the series... I didn't really feel what you mentionned。

This being said... my real foray into C dramaland was "Love Between Fairy and Devil". I think I was really lucky because this drama was just wonderful from start to finish in spite of its rushed ending... Legend of Shen Li is good so far... but not mindblowingly great.

Nope... not better. Because Netflix's goal is to pollute K Dramaland with the multiple-seasons format that is rampant in the US.

Instead of telling a good story and giving closure to their viewers, they're testing the waters with 8 episodes and if the series is successful they're gonna milk it until the very last drop producing seasons after seasons until everybody gives it up , not because they've reached closure but because they got fed up with the series in question.

Profit destroying art. Well not playing that game sorry. That's a skip for me until we're sure there's no second season in the work.

Lol: "she has a soft side that only he see lol it's just another kdrama that ml fall in love with fl and do everything for her and she just like him and never change for him like all CEOs mls do in other kdramas do for their secretary fls lol"

Well that's your perception. Usually in that type of scenario, it initiates a change in the FL otherwise it wouldn't work.

Also the same in reverse has been done a LOT in K dramaland. Lots of 'toxic ML' who should be fled from and are very cruel to the FL and yet she falls for him because SHE sees his hidden side and trauma or whatever. Most famous is Boys Over Flowers... I dropped that one so I don't know for the Korean adaptation but in the original manga and in the Japanese TV adaption in 2007, the ML pays some goons to RAPE the FL and yet she sticks with him. I mean, talk about crossing the line...


Anyway, It's romance, what do you expect?

I like it. It always making me laugh. It's so EXTRA. Sure it's not realistic at all but I think it's something that's been inherited since 'Hana Yori Dango' ( the original manga with countless adaptations notably Boys Over Flowers in K drama land) has swept over Asia and which some gimmicks have been adopted by literally every asian dramas everywhere.

The overall fawning never fails to make me laugh. I don't think it's supposed to be taken seriously.

I second that... I'm currently watching the Legend of Shen Li and for me the story picked up starting from episode 10/11.

But overall I avoided C dramas for years because of that. They tend to be slower than K dramas overall but since episodes are shorter honestly you don't feel the length.

I like that they never rush the 'testing the water' phase in romantic relationships as well so that's a also a bonus.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. It's more that there's some 'mob effect' on each drama airing. If for some reasons, a fair number of people enjoy a drama, doesn't matter the genre, it's gonna open the floodgate for positive comments and vice versa regardless of the quality of the drama in question. Getting validation from everybody else becomes a goal, knowingly or not, and one's personal judgment is tainted by other people's opinions.

I've got 3 personal recent examples.

Most people enjoyed 'The Judge from Hell'. I didn't. Dropped it after 6 episodes. Explained my reasons in length not making comments regarding other people's taste nor any hate regarding this or that actor or whatever. Got flooded by a mob of hard core fans. Don't remember what they said. Don't care. No amount of bullying is gonna make me change my mind but mob effect. The drama had recently ended when I started it so that explains that.

Even more recent... 2/3 weeks ago. I made a comment on "When the Stars Gossip". The drama hadn't even aired but the comment section was filled with Lee Min Ho's fans. Ok. I just mentioned he had a tendency to choose projects I didn't like same with Gong Hyo Jin and thus I was a bit wary and that no amount of big money could save a poor story BUT since the premise was interesting I'd give it a go. I mentioned a couple of dramas in the lists I dropped. I made no comment about looks, acting abilities or whatever. Just. I didn't like the dramas they respectively acted in except for 2 namely City Hunter (2011) and Thank You (2007).
There was a small shitstorm. The usual from fans who would like everybody to worship the ground of their favorite actors... As if the latter cared.

ANYWAY, fast forward to now. The first 2 episodes aired this weekend. I haven't started it yet but I was looking to see what people thought by sheer curiosity... My God that comment section has done a 180. Now everybody is vomiting on a show that has only aired 2 episodes. There might be good reasons... But you can be sure it's gonna stay that way for weeks now. Judgement has been passed and any positive voice is gonna get be targetted as being 'immature' or I don't know what. Now it's impossible to see a balanced opinion without that comment being drowned under a wave of the 'opinion police' shitting on that person's 'poor taste'.


Lovely Runner same thing. I LOVED the show. Truly. So part of the majority there. Is the show flawless? Course it isn't and when the show aired some people didn't like it because of these reasons and then some. They were attacked by a mob of fans. Some retaliated by saying 'only teenage girls and middle aged women like the show'... which is a good way to enrage part of the viewers... I personally don't care. But some really explained their reasons for disliking the show and yet were attacked. I once defended one such person and got attacked by the fan mob as well... AND I WAS ON THEIR TEAM!

Now that the show has finished for more than 6 months, the comment section last I checked has been flooded by negative comments. Some are even stalking the comment section to attack anyone liking the show. I got the same a couple of months a go when I came back to it. I posted a sole comment, just mentionning how I still very much enjoyed it and that I didn't mind the negative opinions since it didn't change my perception of the show but that it was a bit sad a show rated 9 (at the time) got as first top reviews, two very negative ones... which I've never seen on MDL on shows unpopular or not. As if an anti-fan mob had decided to double down on liking the most negative reviews... which doesn't change the fact that most people still like it. Still rated 9 as far as I know.

ANYWAY The amount of insults I received was just ridiculous... and came from nowhere... That's when I discovered the beauty of blocking people.

When your opinion runs contrary to the majority, all diverging voices is silenced by a mob of people incapable of accepting that not everybody thinks the same. Hence when this show aired the anti-fan mob was probably the majority. That doesn't say that their opinion isn't valid. Just that if it wasn't for that 'negative mob' who probably flooded the rest, more positive opinions could have been heard at the time.

I'm tired of people seeking validation through their opinion. Liking this or hating that doesn't say anything about who you are except that what resonates with you might just does not resonates with another and THAT'S OKAY.

Well, I've personally resolved this issue very simply:

1. I no longer hesitate to block people. If you're a bully, you're blocked plain and simple. Of course rude people but also those who are condescending and bully others into making them change their opinion they're not going to change. We can disagree on things but don't start to make personal comments about me because I didn't like the drama your oppa acted in. Also I'm too old for this sh*** anyway. Your oppa is probably way younger than I am.

2. I don't follow comment sections from airing shows with very popular actors or that are very hyped. I participated on "When the Phone Rings" thread when the show had just started and wasn't extremely popular but once lots of people started to follow it, I fled. I just knew how it would turn out. I didn't even try with When the Stars Gossip. I don't know when I'll watch that one... BUT if I start it before 6 months AFTER it has finished airing, I won't bother with the comment section.
I only comment on way less popular shows ( even those are not necessarily freed of 'opinion police' but there's less risks)... and I'm having a good time there.

Sure you didn't except such a long answer LOL

Lol! I was thinking the same thing when he fixed the door.
I mean even if it wasn't South Korea and legally he was supposed to work less... It would still be impossible to do ( not even talking about maintaining his looks. THAT also takes work and I've yet to meet any parent that manages to keep their figure while working when the kids are that young unless they're filthy rich... but they've been pretty clear our ML is upper middle class at best so err dramaland).

So yeah. Just gonna sweep it under the K-drama rug and enjoy the ride. Don't care anyway, I want my escapism ^^
It's just that my very cynical brain can't help but automatically make me shake my head every time I saw his perfect cute little food boxes for his daughter ( LIKE HELL DUDE!). EVEN I want to be 7 again. My own stay-at-home mum didn't even have the time for those 😂😂😂