Glad to see Jae On aka Deok Su is finally working with Mae Hwa to bring Lord Cheon down...But I sure hope ep 11…
Yeah I think I saw your comment last week and I must have unconsciously thought about it this when I wrote that... I think I rated our Blooming Youth a 6.5 because of that when I watched it... and I was SO HYPED for this drama especially because of Jeon So Nee. I dropped one of her previous drama "When my Love Blooms" BUT I really loved her in that show so I was really excited to see her in a show I was sure I would love.
You know there's a pattern there: The " Bloom" in the title. Never trust a "Bloom" title.
Hmm... There's actually a trilogy of novels that has the same title:https://www.mrblue.com/novel/E000117312So…
Thank you for the reply! Still going to read the novels though... I don't have the time to read these days, so I'm reading like 2 pages a day when I can but enjoying this so far. Not sure about the webtoon. Not that I think it's not worth reading... but I'm not a huge fan of the art so...
Actually not really. He mixes the relatively neutral 요 - yo and the very formal ㅂ니다 /습니다 eumnida/seumnida…
You're welcome ^^
By the way I forgot to mention another thing.
Eun Ho and Ji Yun could very well be a couple and stick to talking with 요 between each other for a while or for forever. I'd say most modern couple would probably switch to banmal at some point (cf the couple featured in episode 7) but given the hierarchical position they both hold at Peoplz, it wouldn't be surprising that they both feel more comfortable using 요 even when out of work (and from the preview, it seems Ji Yun sticks to that). Again, it is still a polite form just not as formal.
In historical dramas ( not fusion-historical, true historical) husbands would usually talk down to their wives using banmal, while the wives would address their husband using the 요 and/or ㅂ니다 /습니다.
Sometimes these nuances aren't even properly conveyed through translations. I remember watching the first or second season of Kingdom with French subs - my mother tongue - there was this scene in which a wife and her husband were arguing.
The French translation only featured informal speech ( "tu" in French equivalent of "tu" in Spanish) when actually the wife was talking using formal speech ("vous" in French, "usted" in Spanish) when her husband was the only one speaking informally, conveying the idea that YES they're arguing but they both know who is the big boss at the end of the day.
It led me to wonder if other languages are translated from English on Netflix where such nuance doesn't exist instead of directly translated from Korean OR if it was a deliberate choice from the translators in order for it to be less jarring for the audience... which in my opinion is dishonest toward viewers.
I'm not really sure where this is coming from but probably from Confucianism and the concept of Yin/Yang.
The husband is the 양 - 陽 - Yang: The Sun. The Man. He leads.
The Wife is the 음 陰 - Eum in Korean but Yin with the Chinese pronunciation - The Shadow, The Female. She follows.
But don't take my word for it. It's personal deduction on my part for the last paragraph.
Not including fusion-historicals because these are a bit of a mixed bag depending on the writers.
I saw a comment on reddit that says Eun Ho uses a mix of formal and informal language with Ji Yun and I wish I…
Actually not really. He mixes the relatively neutral 요 - yo and the very formal ㅂ니다 /습니다 eumnida/seumnida when talking to her. Both are polite form but the second is a bit more formal so depending on the instances he switches with both. I haven't paid lots of attention to it to be honest as to when he uses which, because both forms are still polite and it's pretty common for Koreans to switch between both versions in professional settings. On the other side Ji Yun sticks to the 요 form which is still polite but doesn't go as far as ㅂ니다.
Ji Yun however only uses 반말 - Banmal, informal speech when talking to Jeong Hun who ALSO uses Banmal when talking to her. 1. Because she's older than him. 2. She's his senior 3. They are very close.
The only reason why Jeong Hun can talk in Banmal with Ji Yun is because of how close they are, so it's obvious from the start to everyone - including Eun Ho - that they have a special relationship.
This being said, it's common for people higher in the hierarchy to use informal speech to talk to their employees.
By the same token Ji Yun and Mi Ae only use Banmal when talking to each other: 1. Mi Ae is Ji Yun's senior. 2. Mi Ae is older than Ji Yun. 3. BUT Ji Yun has a higher position in the company 4. They're close.
All of these things balance things out but it's important to mention that Mi Ae should normally use formal speech so either yo ou mnida/ seumnida. Even you're friends, it's not uncommon in South Korea to address people the "proper way" when working, and the informal way out of working hours.
SO. Conclusion. So far (episode 6 for me, currently watching episode 7), in terms of how close Eun Ho and Ji Yun are if we only use their speech pattern as reference, Eun Ho is not closer to her than any other employee. The only ones who are truly close are Mi Ae and Jeong Hun.
These language nuances truly add some flavors to dramas in general because when characters change the way they address each other, it really sends a strong signal to viewers.
One such recent example was in "When the Phone Rings". At the beginning when the ML receives the phone calls, he talks down to 406 using Informal Speech. They both talk down to each other... BUT once he realizes that 406 isn't joking and that he indeed kidnapped his wife and that he should really be more careful about how he talks he switches to the extremely formal ㅂ니다/습니다 while 406 keeps on talking informally to him... It's a huge message to the audience that the ML in spite of being this very respected figure, lowers and humbles himself in front of somebody he despises because he fears for his wife...
BUT all of that was lost in translation obviously. You still follow the story but some of the flavor is gone.
Had the same conversation with that person. I even gave him a list of dramas where the FL waits for the ML or…
Sorry, it's because most of the agressive came from your gender but no hate. Everyone is welcome ^^ to agree or disagree as long as manners are observed.
SO I saw the final scene of today's episode... Well let's just say I'm sadly satisfied in a way. I... might wait until next week to catch up.. Can't bear the angst.
Still haven't watched ep 4... But already seen scenes from episode 5... Well, it's gonna be interesting to see how they're going to change my mind because Kang Hee needs to seriously work on herself if I'm to root for her... I seriously hope the writers are going to make her shift gears by tomorrow at the latest (no preview for episode 6 available on youtube yet)... Otherwise I'm gonna cross my finger that Yeon Soo put his first love to rest. Doesn't mean I don't like the show but Kang Hee is a seriously flawed character that is difficult to root for. I think it was ok to let her be aloof for the first 3rd of the series, but keeping that tough cookie attitude longer is making her a tough sell... We'll see how this goes.
@mooc I've already blocked you, you're an extremely rude person. Also nobody said K dramas in particular, we talked about Romance in general. I had started to compile a small list... But then none fit exactly your description... and you're not the type of person worth engaging a discussion with so I gave up. I don't mind disagreeing with people, but not with your type. Good day to you.
OOps. Well they won't see that message but who cares, just wanted to say my piece.
Preview scene for Ep 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O70-O5w_RLs
Glad to see Jae On aka Deok Su is finally working with Mae Hwa to bring Lord Cheon down... But I sure hope ep 11 won't focus too much on the revenge plot. I know the plot needs to move forward but it's starting to look too much like Our Blooming Youth, where we were advertised a romance centered story and we got crumbs of romance with LOTS of murder plot I didn't care about.
I can't believe Wen Jie did this. JEEEEEEEEEEEESUS. And she had been warned. Who is she to decide the sake of 6 billion people on her own? This woman is sick. Probably didn't care because by the time they came, she's probably be close to death anyway, not her problem. I.HATE.HER. F*** selfish b***
Can't believe that Shi Qiang turned out to be the best of the lot. Dude was the most annoying character in the beginning, but it turns out they're all living in delulu land, with all these science and alien talk and forgot you only have one life and one planet. Once invaders are there, you're screwed. Thank God he puts some sense into Wang Miao because I can't help wonder if he wouldn't have turned to the dark side if it wasn't for him.
Also, for being smart I can't just can't help wonder WHY they can't draw the parallel of all the people that have been decimated or went through genocide in our long History. That tells you something about what happens when outsiders who consider themselves superior do when they come to your house with their "advanced technology".
This being said, if it EVER happened, no way the world would be able to discuss together and gang up against the "enemy". We'd be too busy arguing with each other that by the time a decision would be made, we'd already all be at death's door.
The comment is literally for discussion. You can't expect to see only positive comments,it’s no fun that way
The problem is not people like you. The issue is people hating for hating sake trying to rile people up to join their "hate agenda" because for some sick reason, it gives them satisfaction to bash dramas for no reasons (arguably not a lot of that here) and rude people (blocked for me since I can filter them out here). Also idiots creating accounts just to bash dramas and say rude things to other members.
When the Star Gossip is a prime example of that. Their comment section should be closed. I used to come to see what people thought before starting the show... Then I tried to find positive comments, and up to a few days ago, the only reason I still came there was out of morbid curiosity to see how toxic it could get... Apparently there's no end to people's need to gang up on a drama and actors just doing their job, so I've given up. I was expecting most people to drop the show and leave that comment section to see the positive comments but NOPE. Still there. I mean if by episode 6 you still don't enjoy a 16 episodes show, maybe it's time to drop it and stop saying how much you hate it so that people who enjoy it ( even if they're critical) can have proper discussions? Not gonna watch it now due to some comments I read that explained some things that didn't sit well with me (plotwise)... but still I find it saddening that there's just no proper discussions visible there.
People venting their frustration of real life by being disrespectful and hateful in places that should be about discussion. If they have that much needless energy to vent, I suggest going to the gym instead of insulting other people.
Watched the scene but not yet episode 4... Kang Hee being her usual cold self. Not gonna make people like her based on this preview for sure. I'm probably going to wait episode 6 to be out to catch up or not I don't know... I'm enjoying all my 3 airing K dramas at present... Difficult to choose which to watch first between this one and Check in Hanyang ( to be fair, I think this show is better BUT Check in Hanyang has been a bit slow for 2 weeks now and I don't think it's a good idea to play 'catch-up' with that one, that might end up in a drop... so close to the finish line)... Love Scout still the best of the trio though, so it's watched as soon as it's out.
ANYWAY, we're reaching the halfway mark this week so I'm hoping for a change of dynamic at the end of the weekend.
Comment section is starting to look weird, but if you block the rude ones, it's not so bad... Thankfully this show is among the least popular so it doesn't look like the war zone that "When the Star Gossip" 's has become. Poor show has been ejected of the top 5.
BUT good news for those of us who don't have Netflix or Disney +: Most popular shows are all available on Viki. Viki's been having a VERYYYYYYYYYYY good 2024 year and it's starting great this year as well ^^ More money for the company, more good shows for us 😎
as a woman i hate the male simp they look so pathetic to me lmao, i think in a relationship no one should be a…
Well the term "simp" is mostly used by male viewers who don't like the ML being romantic. Any male deeply in love with the FL is a simp in their eyes. I don't think ANY of the romance portrayed with these "simps" feature FLs who don't love their partners equally.
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You know there's a pattern there: The " Bloom" in the title. Never trust a "Bloom" title.
Still going to read the novels though... I don't have the time to read these days, so I'm reading like 2 pages a day when I can but enjoying this so far. Not sure about the webtoon. Not that I think it's not worth reading... but I'm not a huge fan of the art so...
By the way I forgot to mention another thing.
Eun Ho and Ji Yun could very well be a couple and stick to talking with 요 between each other for a while or for forever. I'd say most modern couple would probably switch to banmal at some point (cf the couple featured in episode 7) but given the hierarchical position they both hold at Peoplz, it wouldn't be surprising that they both feel more comfortable using 요 even when out of work (and from the preview, it seems Ji Yun sticks to that).
Again, it is still a polite form just not as formal.
In historical dramas ( not fusion-historical, true historical) husbands would usually talk down to their wives using banmal, while the wives would address their husband using the 요 and/or ㅂ니다 /습니다.
Sometimes these nuances aren't even properly conveyed through translations. I remember watching the first or second season of Kingdom with French subs - my mother tongue - there was this scene in which a wife and her husband were arguing.
The French translation only featured informal speech ( "tu" in French equivalent of "tu" in Spanish) when actually the wife was talking using formal speech ("vous" in French, "usted" in Spanish) when her husband was the only one speaking informally, conveying the idea that YES they're arguing but they both know who is the big boss at the end of the day.
It led me to wonder if other languages are translated from English on Netflix where such nuance doesn't exist instead of directly translated from Korean OR if it was a deliberate choice from the translators in order for it to be less jarring for the audience... which in my opinion is dishonest toward viewers.
I'm not really sure where this is coming from but probably from Confucianism and the concept of Yin/Yang.
The husband is the 양 - 陽 - Yang: The Sun. The Man. He leads.
The Wife is the 음 陰 - Eum in Korean but Yin with the Chinese pronunciation - The Shadow, The Female. She follows.
But don't take my word for it. It's personal deduction on my part for the last paragraph.
Not including fusion-historicals because these are a bit of a mixed bag depending on the writers.
On the other side Ji Yun sticks to the 요 form which is still polite but doesn't go as far as ㅂ니다.
Ji Yun however only uses 반말 - Banmal, informal speech when talking to Jeong Hun who ALSO uses Banmal when talking to her.
1. Because she's older than him.
2. She's his senior
3. They are very close.
The only reason why Jeong Hun can talk in Banmal with Ji Yun is because of how close they are, so it's obvious from the start to everyone - including Eun Ho - that they have a special relationship.
This being said, it's common for people higher in the hierarchy to use informal speech to talk to their employees.
By the same token Ji Yun and Mi Ae only use Banmal when talking to each other:
1. Mi Ae is Ji Yun's senior.
2. Mi Ae is older than Ji Yun.
3. BUT Ji Yun has a higher position in the company
4. They're close.
All of these things balance things out but it's important to mention that Mi Ae should normally use formal speech so either yo ou mnida/ seumnida.
Even you're friends, it's not uncommon in South Korea to address people the "proper way" when working, and the informal way out of working hours.
SO.
Conclusion. So far (episode 6 for me, currently watching episode 7), in terms of how close Eun Ho and Ji Yun are if we only use their speech pattern as reference, Eun Ho is not closer to her than any other employee. The only ones who are truly close are Mi Ae and Jeong Hun.
These language nuances truly add some flavors to dramas in general because when characters change the way they address each other, it really sends a strong signal to viewers.
One such recent example was in "When the Phone Rings". At the beginning when the ML receives the phone calls, he talks down to 406 using Informal Speech. They both talk down to each other... BUT once he realizes that 406 isn't joking and that he indeed kidnapped his wife and that he should really be more careful about how he talks he switches to the extremely formal ㅂ니다/습니다 while 406 keeps on talking informally to him... It's a huge message to the audience that the ML in spite of being this very respected figure, lowers and humbles himself in front of somebody he despises because he fears for his wife...
BUT all of that was lost in translation obviously. You still follow the story but some of the flavor is gone.
Well, it's gonna be interesting to see how they're going to change my mind because Kang Hee needs to seriously work on herself if I'm to root for her... I seriously hope the writers are going to make her shift gears by tomorrow at the latest (no preview for episode 6 available on youtube yet)... Otherwise I'm gonna cross my finger that Yeon Soo put his first love to rest. Doesn't mean I don't like the show but Kang Hee is a seriously flawed character that is difficult to root for. I think it was ok to let her be aloof for the first 3rd of the series, but keeping that tough cookie attitude longer is making her a tough sell... We'll see how this goes.
I've already blocked you, you're an extremely rude person. Also nobody said K dramas in particular, we talked about Romance in general. I had started to compile a small list... But then none fit exactly your description... and you're not the type of person worth engaging a discussion with so I gave up. I don't mind disagreeing with people, but not with your type. Good day to you.
OOps. Well they won't see that message but who cares, just wanted to say my piece.
But I sure hope ep 11 won't focus too much on the revenge plot. I know the plot needs to move forward but it's starting to look too much like Our Blooming Youth, where we were advertised a romance centered story and we got crumbs of romance with LOTS of murder plot I didn't care about.
JUST MORE ROMANCE PLEASE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O70-O5w_RLs
JEEEEEEEEEEEESUS. And she had been warned. Who is she to decide the sake of 6 billion people on her own? This woman is sick. Probably didn't care because by the time they came, she's probably be close to death anyway, not her problem. I.HATE.HER. F*** selfish b***
Can't believe that Shi Qiang turned out to be the best of the lot. Dude was the most annoying character in the beginning, but it turns out they're all living in delulu land, with all these science and alien talk and forgot you only have one life and one planet. Once invaders are there, you're screwed. Thank God he puts some sense into Wang Miao because I can't help wonder if he wouldn't have turned to the dark side if it wasn't for him.
Also, for being smart I can't just can't help wonder WHY they can't draw the parallel of all the people that have been decimated or went through genocide in our long History. That tells you something about what happens when outsiders who consider themselves superior do when they come to your house with their "advanced technology".
This being said, if it EVER happened, no way the world would be able to discuss together and gang up against the "enemy". We'd be too busy arguing with each other that by the time a decision would be made, we'd already all be at death's door.
When the Star Gossip is a prime example of that. Their comment section should be closed. I used to come to see what people thought before starting the show... Then I tried to find positive comments, and up to a few days ago, the only reason I still came there was out of morbid curiosity to see how toxic it could get...
Apparently there's no end to people's need to gang up on a drama and actors just doing their job, so I've given up. I was expecting most people to drop the show and leave that comment section to see the positive comments but NOPE. Still there. I mean if by episode 6 you still don't enjoy a 16 episodes show, maybe it's time to drop it and stop saying how much you hate it so that people who enjoy it ( even if they're critical) can have proper discussions? Not gonna watch it now due to some comments I read that explained some things that didn't sit well with me (plotwise)... but still I find it saddening that there's just no proper discussions visible there.
People venting their frustration of real life by being disrespectful and hateful in places that should be about discussion. If they have that much needless energy to vent, I suggest going to the gym instead of insulting other people.
Watched the scene but not yet episode 4...
Kang Hee being her usual cold self. Not gonna make people like her based on this preview for sure. I'm probably going to wait episode 6 to be out to catch up or not I don't know... I'm enjoying all my 3 airing K dramas at present... Difficult to choose which to watch first between this one and Check in Hanyang ( to be fair, I think this show is better BUT Check in Hanyang has been a bit slow for 2 weeks now and I don't think it's a good idea to play 'catch-up' with that one, that might end up in a drop... so close to the finish line)... Love Scout still the best of the trio though, so it's watched as soon as it's out.
ANYWAY, we're reaching the halfway mark this week so I'm hoping for a change of dynamic at the end of the weekend.
Comment section is starting to look weird, but if you block the rude ones, it's not so bad... Thankfully this show is among the least popular so it doesn't look like the war zone that "When the Star Gossip" 's has become. Poor show has been ejected of the top 5.
BUT good news for those of us who don't have Netflix or Disney +: Most popular shows are all available on Viki. Viki's been having a VERYYYYYYYYYYY good 2024 year and it's starting great this year as well ^^
More money for the company, more good shows for us 😎