This drama was so funny! It's true that after episode 11 it gets draggy and over dramatic but just skip the irritating scenes and it's bearable. Also the last episode is epic! lol
PS; When Han Yeo Reum took off his shirt at the beach episode 9....*_*
Yessssssss! Complete and satisfying LG journey.
We finally see Nao improve: learns blind trust is as detrimental as systematic lies.
We finally see where romance might go: final scene says it all...:)
And the GAME is OVER!!!! ah ah ah
At first I was annoyed by Nao's kindness, but her naive character is what makes this Liar Game so fun. I'm glad…
Her naivety was excessive, ensuring the game never really stops. Liars only exist if there's someone to deceive. She'll always and surely be deceived no matter how many times you try because she refuses to take hints.
I thought she would grow: gain balance in the way she gives her trust but it didn't happen.
The drama shows trust in others is smth you cannot afford to lose nor offer blindly since it can cause havoc not only for yourself but others too.
YWCFTS was really the best K-drama 2014 IMO. I don't understand those who say it's overrated, because it would mean they know one or more dramas in 2014 which were better but they never name them. Though I found some other pretty good like It's ok that's love, they aren't near as funny and romantic and with a strong yet crazy female lead and great scenery and great dialogues and badass scary sociopath vilain. lol
Since YWCFTS Shin Sung Rok creeps me out...even his looks give this eeeeeevil feel. lol
Definitely one of the best vilain...he might get type casted unfortunately.
Kanzaki Nao reminds me of Guo Jin in Legend of the Condor Heroes, except that Guo Jin had some character development in the end. lol I still can't decide if being so naive is in fact a blessing or obviously a curse. *scratches head
Re-watched it not long ago, and I must say it REALLY is good...and BETTER than the original...such a rare case for a remake. It's so different than usual lakorns.
way better than the korean version...you can understand every action but in k.ver people just do things with no…
Exactly. In this one they always end up expressing how they feel to someone, so at one point you understand why they do what they do and it doesn't feel like forced makjang.
Up to now I don't get why it's so popular. o.O
Didn't like the lead girl, didn't like the romance, didn't see the comical side...only the thriller aspect was good.
I can't stand Dr Song's character. From the start it's obvious she forces false blame on Dr Frost to avoid her…
Yeah she did have her reasons to be mad, and it's good that she's starting to get over it...but I must admit I don't like her passive-aggressive type of love. loool
Yoon is indeed better cuz she really gets under his skin and sometimes arouses his curiosity since she's all he cannot be...and maybe wish he could at least a little: a very emotional being.
It's so hard to ship the main couple because I can't stand the lead girl. She went so far in her stubbornness to refuse to trust him that I actually feel Lady Yoo suits him better...Too bad she'll only be used and never loved. Hope she doesn't turn evil when she realizes.
I can't stand Dr Song's character. From the start it's obvious she forces false blame on Dr Frost to avoid her own guilt. It's also obvious she likes him but fights it awkwardly. I ship him with his assistant! Their pairing is so much more fun and cuteness. :)
I hope he won't end up with the doc if his condition improves....ah ah ah. He's better off getting annoyed by his emotional assistant.lol
The synopsis is misleading. There's no revenge at all. The plot line was unstable. It first seemed to head towards the revenge/romance genre then went towards the subplot of the father's affair which became central, then headed towards the family drama drama, then it became kind of a melodrama with the usual dose of crazy obsessive love then something else again in the end. Wow! At one point everybody started acting completely out of character...I don't know...I found the drama a bit strange...It's a happy ending but not a great story. Also the romance was a bit awkward. In the beginning especially the girl.
Ohhh I didn't like this one. :( I liked Huang Ruong so much in LOTCH but I don't really like Long'er here, she's always hurting Guo'er...and in the end seeing that she was playing with the bees for 16 years...lol...while having him so distressed...it was too much. lol
The biggest reason Mishil was a Great Villain was due to the fact that whatever evil deeds she did she would never…
Ok. This also will be my last reply. You declare my views idealist, one dimensional, fairy-tale like etc. You are wrong. I already explained why: there was never and will never be always and only grey because to have grey exist first need to be white and black. There is truth and lie, right and wrong.
Labeling like you do is a sign of inability to analyze an opinion creating discomfort or fear. Also, just because someone doesn't answer how you expect doesn't mean they did not answer your questions. Otherwise it means you were asking a preconceived answer and not a question.
This discussion started with you stating MS never hurt Shilla, and trying to say she did what anyone in her place would have done, because people in power all act the same. I simply stated you are wrong by reminding you she did what she chose to do and not everyone would have chosen the same. Just like rulers, kings and emperors never all acted the same because each person has their own choice. The drama is filled with situations showing how SD chooses a different way than MS. Every time they have their ''talk'' it brilliantly shows off. One of the best scene is when she makes MS realize how she did nothing for Shilla's advancement even with all these years of absolute power but rather hurt it by ruthlessly treating the people. Well I won't go further into examples since it's useless here and I already explained why.
The point was never rather or not SD also made unpopular decisions, that's just a deviation you made from the subject you launched, but rather whether or not she's a better/less evil ruler than MS. And yes she is and it is why she won.
If you disagree with a point then you should discuss the point. It's only when you can't attack an idea that you resort to attacking the person or going into stupid labels. Also examples are not what validate an argument, it's first its rationality, good faith and stability, so you cannot hide behind examples. An example illustrates and argument it does not validate it, and I mentioned why (paralogism). And I'm starting to feel you're of bad faith in this discussion.
I mean come on...do you seriously think I did not mention anybody because it's not possible to find two rulers who dealt differently with similar situations????? Or that I could not find a scene showing MS destroying innocent Shilla people???? Or Showing how her evilness led to her downfall????? Oh please.... Smh...
The biggest reason Mishil was a Great Villain was due to the fact that whatever evil deeds she did she would never…
No. There is black, there is white and then there is grey, has always been and always will be. My replies are not idealist lines, they're just a very simple description of reality that bothers you. I will say it again; there is no ''everybody in the same position does the same thing''. Nobody does the same thing, and nobody has the same reasons, but everybody makes their own choices and therefore bear different consequences...that's one thing this drama shows.
No... SD did not do the same as MS, neither thought the same, and this is why she's the victor.
Also there is right and there is wrong, people create the grey zone to feel better about doing one or the other or to justify choosing one or the other or both .
Since I clearly stated why I strongly disagree with your view I can just finish with reminding you there is such a thing as the truth, and what's great about it is that it doesn't require for you to believe it is to be. Just like the earth not being flat, or like emotions not being material.
Just because it appears more easily in some areas than others doesn't mean it does not exist. Now you can choose to deny it of course but it will still prevail. That's just a law of nature, spirit, universe or whatever you call it.
PS: I did not detail scenes and episodes, like you didn't either, to illustrate my view of Mishil because it's pointless with a 60 ep. drama. Also I did not mention monarchs in the history of humanity for the same reasons. You can always pick up a person or example supporting your view among a tremendous amount, then raise them as generality. I don't like this kind of paralogism since it's an argument of bad faith, a form of sophism. So I rarely use it.
The biggest reason Mishil was a Great Villain was due to the fact that whatever evil deeds she did she would never…
It's no idealism, just realism. Just because there is such a thing as grey doesn't mean black or white no longer exist.
I quote you: ''her behavior was driven by the fact that it was the only way for her to hold on to power and save her life''. Wrong, not the only way just the way she chose based on her personality. I will say it again, people have different characters, principles and beliefs therefore they chose different paths aka SD and MS. There is a good path and a bad one, and the one that lasts can never be the extreme like Mishil's extreme evilness. Not just History, but nature as a whole demonstrates it perfectly. And it's what this drama excels in showing. No matter how great of a politician you are, it's the nature of your motives that will show your end, and her true motives were herself not Shilla so she never thought further than becoming empress and would hurt Shilla, throw away her children, kill her father if necessary to obtain the position. No... not all monarchs would do so, even if some could.
Do you know why it is said History is written by the victors? Isn't it because we precisely know of hints that can support reasonable doubts on certain facts? And why is it so? Because of the truth...the truth on the character, the motives, the outbalanced evil and its outcome...the truth cannot be hidden...whether it's recorded history or not...so the writings are nothing, but the long run result is all. It shows who went wrong at one point. Just like most historical dramas show it: the truth is evil deeds of evil plans can win for sometime but never all the way, their mastermind will eventually collapse just like lady Mishil...for balance will be brought back. No matter what history says.
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.'' Winston Churchill also said that.
PS; When Han Yeo Reum took off his shirt at the beach episode 9....*_*
We finally see Nao improve: learns blind trust is as detrimental as systematic lies.
We finally see where romance might go: final scene says it all...:)
And the GAME is OVER!!!! ah ah ah
I thought she would grow: gain balance in the way she gives her trust but it didn't happen.
The drama shows trust in others is smth you cannot afford to lose nor offer blindly since it can cause havoc not only for yourself but others too.
Definitely one of the best vilain...he might get type casted unfortunately.
Didn't like the lead girl, didn't like the romance, didn't see the comical side...only the thriller aspect was good.
Yoon is indeed better cuz she really gets under his skin and sometimes arouses his curiosity since she's all he cannot be...and maybe wish he could at least a little: a very emotional being.
I hope he won't end up with the doc if his condition improves....ah ah ah. He's better off getting annoyed by his emotional assistant.lol
Labeling like you do is a sign of inability to analyze an opinion creating discomfort or fear. Also, just because someone doesn't answer how you expect doesn't mean they did not answer your questions. Otherwise it means you were asking a preconceived answer and not a question.
This discussion started with you stating MS never hurt Shilla, and trying to say she did what anyone in her place would have done, because people in power all act the same. I simply stated you are wrong by reminding you she did what she chose to do and not everyone would have chosen the same. Just like rulers, kings and emperors never all acted the same because each person has their own choice. The drama is filled with situations showing how SD chooses a different way than MS. Every time they have their ''talk'' it brilliantly shows off. One of the best scene is when she makes MS realize how she did nothing for Shilla's advancement even with all these years of absolute power but rather hurt it by ruthlessly treating the people. Well I won't go further into examples since it's useless here and I already explained why.
The point was never rather or not SD also made unpopular decisions, that's just a deviation you made from the subject you launched, but rather whether or not she's a better/less evil ruler than MS. And yes she is and it is why she won.
If you disagree with a point then you should discuss the point. It's only when you can't attack an idea that you resort to attacking the person or going into stupid labels. Also examples are not what validate an argument, it's first its rationality, good faith and stability, so you cannot hide behind examples. An example illustrates and argument it does not validate it, and I mentioned why (paralogism). And I'm starting to feel you're of bad faith in this discussion.
I mean come on...do you seriously think I did not mention anybody because it's not possible to find two rulers who dealt differently with similar situations????? Or that I could not find a scene showing MS destroying innocent Shilla people???? Or Showing how her evilness led to her downfall????? Oh please.... Smh...
No... SD did not do the same as MS, neither thought the same, and this is why she's the victor.
Also there is right and there is wrong, people create the grey zone to feel better about doing one or the other or to justify choosing one or the other or both .
Since I clearly stated why I strongly disagree with your view I can just finish with reminding you there is such a thing as the truth, and what's great about it is that it doesn't require for you to believe it is to be. Just like the earth not being flat, or like emotions not being material.
Just because it appears more easily in some areas than others doesn't mean it does not exist. Now you can choose to deny it of course but it will still prevail. That's just a law of nature, spirit, universe or whatever you call it.
PS: I did not detail scenes and episodes, like you didn't either, to illustrate my view of Mishil because it's pointless with a 60 ep. drama. Also I did not mention monarchs in the history of humanity for the same reasons. You can always pick up a person or example supporting your view among a tremendous amount, then raise them as generality. I don't like this kind of paralogism since it's an argument of bad faith, a form of sophism. So I rarely use it.
I quote you: ''her behavior was driven by the fact that it was the only way for her to hold on to power and save her life''. Wrong, not the only way just the way she chose based on her personality. I will say it again, people have different characters, principles and beliefs therefore they chose different paths aka SD and MS. There is a good path and a bad one, and the one that lasts can never be the extreme like Mishil's extreme evilness. Not just History, but nature as a whole demonstrates it perfectly. And it's what this drama excels in showing. No matter how great of a politician you are, it's the nature of your motives that will show your end, and her true motives were herself not Shilla so she never thought further than becoming empress and would hurt Shilla, throw away her children, kill her father if necessary to obtain the position. No... not all monarchs would do so, even if some could.
Do you know why it is said History is written by the victors? Isn't it because we precisely know of hints that can support reasonable doubts on certain facts? And why is it so? Because of the truth...the truth on the character, the motives, the outbalanced evil and its outcome...the truth cannot be hidden...whether it's recorded history or not...so the writings are nothing, but the long run result is all. It shows who went wrong at one point. Just like most historical dramas show it: the truth is evil deeds of evil plans can win for sometime but never all the way, their mastermind will eventually collapse just like lady Mishil...for balance will be brought back. No matter what history says.
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.'' Winston Churchill also said that.