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Lol, I'm one of them.
Fair enough, I already had a light migraine when I was watching that scene, but it really made it worse. When the flashback of Yuan came shooting "You think I want this" - ugh. This was just too much for my brain. The music was too loud too. It was just crappy editing.

I was also one of those who argued that Qian had feelings, there were many hints, but they somehow didn't go deeper into it, when they had the time. The 2nd half of the series just wasn't as deep as the 1st half.

I don't think anyone is blaming the actors. They did a terrific job.
The scene was just too damn short, and the editing didn't allow us to enjoy it.

I feel the same.
The first half was psychologically very complex, the 2nd half ... I don't even remember what happened. There was no development regarding their feelings. Qian just gave in, because he was miserable when Yuan was abroad.
And then suddenly, they were passionate lovers.

Because the expectations were too high, they dragged it out too much, and they ruined the love scene with horrible, horrible, horrible editing.

I'm sure there are some people out there who can make a great edit!

Yeah ... unbelievable.
They bragged about it so much, which is never a good idea. The expectations will be too high. The scene itself (or those chopped seconds we got) was really nice, no doubt about it. But the editing ...! All over the place, going back and forth, then the flashbacks. It's an accomplishment to mess it up so bad.
They should do a new edit and release it. Since the actors said they were running around for 8 hours almost naked - and that's what the camera caught? That's everything they could use? For real?

Nah ... come on.
This was painful to watch, at least it hurt me physically.
The loves scenes were great 10/10, but those flashbacks were so misplaced, it took me out of it, I swear I got a headache.

We are in the minority, but yeah ... sums it up pretty well.
I expected much more drama and complexity in the portrayal of their emotions after Yuan returned. But nope. Puppy in love is so soft-spoken and persistent, so Qian has to give in. I expected to see Qian falling in love slowly, becoming aware of his feelings, maybe even trying to fight those feelings, but longing for Yuan at the same time until he finally understands that his heart belongs to him. Nope. He just gave in. San Pang's advice was funny too. Just go for it, since Yuan will be the only one that never leaves you, yeah, okay. And then they had sex and happy ever after.

I have mixed feelings about this series. If I have time, I will binge-watch it, so maybe my impression will be different. From the very beginning they did a terrific job with showing Qian's inner struggle, his responsibilities, his reasoning. I especially enjoyed the focus on family, not only on romantic love. They really showed us the whole complexity of the situation. It was such a real, raw and deep approach you normally can't expect from a BL series where such stories are mostly written to satisfy some fetish (forbidden love) and end up being toxic with no real emotional depths. So I applaud them for making this such a serious story where obviously a lot of thought went into the development of the characters, their family situations and their feelings for each other.
But along the way, I feel this got very repetitive. Not only storywise, but also regarding the editing and the music. While I enjoy some creative editing, this just got out of hand. At the end, you could hardly enjoy a nice moment between the characters without some loud background music. It seems the lyrics fitted the story, but I'm not here to watch a musical. Also, Qian just gave in. I don't know what I expected, but I thought there would be more drama, more passion, more complexity to their feelings after Yuan returns, but the opposite was the case. At this point, it was just a question WHEN Qian gives in, not IF. How they threw the gangster plot and the head injury plot at us wasn't to my liking either. All those live and death situation were done only to push the character in a certain direction. And last but not least, at some point Yuan felt very bland as a character despite Kurt giving us a great performance. He is a puppy in love who would die for his brother. Like that's his whole personality. So yeah, I don't know.
I'm not really disappointed, because it was a terrific series, but I'm not blown away either.
8.5/10 for me.

Is there a difference between the episodes on Youku and KissKh?
After all that bragging about the sex scene, don't tell me they were running around butt naked for 8 hours (they said) for a scene that was maybe 30 seconds long.
That can't be real.
I was not a fan of all that bragging to begin with, but I'm speechless (and not in a good way). The love scenes were nice and very tasteful, but that damn editing destroyed if for me. The music and those flashbacks didn't allow me to enjoy the scene.
And well ... it was too short.
The whole marketing and advertising from actors and Youku leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I didn't see it either. Throughout the whole thing I thought this is a story about two brothers and I got it wrong, it's not BL, which is fine, I kept watching anyway, but yeah. Confused like hell. There is so much going on in their life, the love story isn't really necessary. I mean, this would work as an angsty story about two stepbrothers just fine.

I think the editing was the problem. It looked like a dead fish kiss, then it didn't, then it did again. They put different shots together.

I came across this series today, started watching it, and at ep 4 I thought about checking out this site to see if this is even BL, lol
Like I had no clue. I kept watching it, because I like brother stories, but yeah. Didn't see that kiss coming!

I have a farm, and I once raised three oxen. Clean shot to the head as far as I know.
I'm only on ep 1, but there is something called "pasture slaughter" or "on-farm slaughter" which is exactly what the showed in the series.

How do they die then?

The idea is that at a certain age, someone's appearance doesn't change anymore. When Qian reached that age, they used the same actor to play the role.

Honestly, I wasn't feeling this episode, and I don't really know why.
First, San Pang and Lili's relationship was no surprise. It was revealed in the long trailer, so I'm a bit confused why it bothered me so much. I think the revelation was not done well. The whole scene with the knife and everything was meant to be funny, but it's not my type of humor, I guess. The age gap between those two must be huge, but the bigger problem is, that this relationship seems so childish, mostly because they played it for laughs. I know, their love story isn't that important, and the focus is on Qian and Yuan. In fact, the relationship reveal was plotwise just done to push Qian in a certain direction, to make him see things differently, to understand, that his siblings are growing up, that relationships change, that love can happen. Still, I didn't enjoy this scene at all. I also don't like how they treat Qian lately. They knew he wouldn't like the news, so that's why they didn't tell him. But in general, it feels like everyone around him is now leading a happy and carefree life, only poor Qian is still stuck in his old ways and taking everything too seriously. This is not bad writing, it's rather the opposite, but I don't enjoy it. They somehow make him look like a 40+ years very old-fashioned tired man. Him being sick or exhausted most of the time isn't helping either. Apparently, it's foreshadowing since he has some issues, but I would appreciate it, if they portray him a bit stronger. You can argue, he was strong in the past, now it's his siblings/lover/friend's turn to take care of him, and I assume that's the story the author is going for, but I personally don't like it that much. He looks gorgeous in those cardigans, but at the same time I feel they are going for the old-wife look. They make him look softer, more feminine, which suits him well, but I'm not 100 % sold on it. I don't hate it, I don't love it, I'm just a bit torn at the moment.
Second, and now I'm picky, but there were some scenes between Qian and Yuan I didn't enjoy. Mostly those when Yuan came too close. That was not needed. He did that before too, but there it was different, since he was such a puppy in love who wanted to get closer to the person he admires. This time it came across as some cheap even aggressive flirting, it felt almost intrusive. In general, I like Yuan being straight forward, more cocky, and not beating around the bush regarding his feelings. But I just don't like the physical closeness at this point. I feel it was done for fan service, and nothing else. We will see those guys kiss a lot in future episodes anyway.
So if you think about it: They keep secrets from him, they talk behind his back (everyone except of him knew about the relationship), Yuan now is rather pushy - it just feels like they aren't respecting him enough. Now I said it. For some reason, I don't like the way they are treating him. I was looking forward to the moments when he drops the father-role, but I wasn't expecting that outcome.
Well, that was it. I'm curious what will happen next. Don't know about the upcoming gangster plot, but I would appreciate it, when Qians strong side came back. At the moment, it looks like the younger brother will lead in the relationship, and Qian will become weaker and weaker. Sigh.

I agree with every advice he ever gave, but the relationship with Lili is honestly hard to swallow. Lili behaving like a child and being still so oblivious about what's going on between Yuan and Qian (when San Pang knew it all along) is giving me a bad feeling too. She doesn't come across as very mature. That baby face is not helping either.
This really feels like a grown man has a relationship with a little girl, despite both being adults.

You can't be serious when you think that Yuan's character is more interesting than the other characters, meaning more interesting than Qian's character. I agree that Kurt's performance is exceptional, but Qian's character is much more complex. Yuan is just a boy in love. What else is there about him? Qian is the center of the story, with his responsibilities, his decisions, his emotions, his conflicts about the feelings for his younger brother.