First seems to be an easy target for bullying: He is too naiv, too sweet, too sincere. No wonder Khao and Tay…
One thing first: I always thought it was hilarious how the biggest womanizer in the world, Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother, was portrayed by a gay actor. Neil Patrick Harris was killing it! And I doubt he was hesitant to take this role because he had to kiss women on screen. No gay actor will ever complain about kissing someone of the opposite sex despite him not being attracted toward them. Foreigners always think Thailand is sooo open minded. I don't believe that. The reason for the homophobia seems to be that gay men are perceived as not masculine enough, too effeminate, silly, weak or whatever. So being gay is a bad thing. It's the same in the Western world, though. It just shows that those guys have a problem with their own masculinity. And playing such roles is a big thread to their masculinity, if that makes sense. Regarding your other question: This may sound ugly, but they cast straight guys because the whole industry is not all about support for the LGBTQ community, it's also about sexual arrousal. I for example am attracted towards women. If you watch lesbian porn which many straight guys watch, you clearly see that those women look and behave to attract straight guys. The joke goes "One woman is great, two are even better." So for lesbian women the lesbian porn is unwatchable, because it's directed towards straight guys. It's similar with BL series. The actors are meant to attract straight women. If you have ever seen a fan meeting where a BL actor takes off his shirt and you hear women screaming like there is no tomorrow, you know what I mean. That's how they sell those series. KinnPorsche is on world tour. You can be sure there is a lot of female screaming going on because the actors are so hot, lol. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't scream like that if they knew those actors were gay. Or if some very effiminate boys were on stage who clearly are not interested in women.
First seems to be an easy target for bullying: He is too naiv, too sweet, too sincere. No wonder Khao and Tay…
I'm a bit more cautious about judging those guys. I remember back then some people said Ohm is homophobic, and I immediately defended him. He is a known "BL veteran". He acted in Make It Right, one of the first series that started the genre. Back then there was big drama around him and his co-star. Maybe the first big drama of this kind. I feel old again! I always admired him how he got out of it with his head still up. He didn't leave the industry. He took on every role. He played in a gay movie where he even got an award. He is serious about the job. But he is putting up a show, I think. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes gay jokes in private. He also sold some merch based on design he copied from a fan, and the person never saw any money. So I learned my lesson.
I also strongly feel that First and Khao are very, very good people. I feel a certain warmth watching them. But who knows? They may fool me too.
First seems to be an easy target for bullying: He is too naiv, too sweet, too sincere. No wonder Khao and Tay…
There are ugly things going on behind the scenes in the industry. They mostly cast straight guys, because the biggest part of the audience are still heterosexual women who enjoy seeing two straight men getting it on. But in reality some are homophobic, and play their roles only for the quick buck. And then we have the crazy shippers who destroyed some sincere friendships between the guys, and the not less crazy anti-shippers. More concerning though are other things like inappropriate (sexual) behaviour from directors, authors, producers towards actors. I It's an ugly world. In series like "War of Y" or "Call it What You Want" that shed some light on the problems in the industry.
Could you, please, tell me what happened? I am confused.
I wrote a long ass comment on the Safe House page, and I'm just waiting for people to come at me, because they misunderstood! Haha. I almost regret it. The dramaaaa ...! I'm tired of this sh*t.
Could you, please, tell me what happened? I am confused.
That wasn't an explanation. I have no idea what's going on. And I won't look it up any further, because it makes me uncomfortable. I'm here to enjoy the series, and not the nasty drama. But people are sharing twitter links, so you may find there a better answer.
First seems to be an easy target for bullying: He is too naiv, too sweet, too sincere. No wonder Khao and Tay…
Those guys are fishy, especially Chimon. He, Nanon and Ohm are apparantly best friends. There is something fishy about Ohm too. He is only in the business for the money and fame. But he is a good actor, and he doesn't shy away from taking every BL role and giving 100%. So I won't bad mouthing him too much. But birds of a feather flock togehter or how it's said.
I saw some stuff from twitter,inks that were posted here on mdl but still have no idea who these 2 guys are (by…
White is the guy from Love Sick. On of the big hits of the first generation BL series that started the whole genre together with Make It Right. Time flies! I feel old now.
Could you, please, tell me what happened? I am confused.
In the Safe House they (White, Foei and Chimon) told a joke about Tay and First. I don't get it either. It was a sex joke, but meant to offend First. I don't understand neither the joke nor because it was directed to First only, and not Tay. At least I see nobody defending Tay.
Lord have mercy. We must stay strong, brothers. We must stay strong.
Our "liberating steps" are not different. My whole point was, that P'Aof (the director who is gay himself) was doing it in a way that it was obvious he wanted to educate the audience about those things. I don't like that approach. They say "show don't tell". He was telling, not showing. That was my issue.
The top/bottom thing is complicated. It's not only about sexual positions, this is also about who is more dominant in the relationship. But talking about sexual positions: Even in real gay relationships this is a thing. Most couples aren't versatile. But again, my point is: Why being so clumsy by educating the audience? Who is there to be educated? Gay people? Sure not. They won't stop calling their significant other "wife" after watching the series (if they did it before which I doubt, haha). So he tried to educate a fandom. This is a bit silly since the fandom lives from certain stereotypes. Many enjoy feminizing one guy in the relationship. There is even a thing like "Mpreg" in the wattpad world. The hetero girls out there who watch BL and who are still the main audience like that stuff. That's why they do it in the first place. I'm a bit pessimistic. I don't think you can change that, and honestly, I don't see the need for it. It's not that serious. Regarding The Eclipse: Akk is taller and stronger. So people assume he is the "man" in the relationship. Maybe this is an evolutionary thing. We all still think in those categories. If they are going in a different direction, it's fine with me, because the way the characters are written it's believable. I won't think they are just doing it to prove a point or to educate us. Again, this is not only about sexual positions.
i don't get it. Were they implying Tay is f***ing First? Btw: Why are Tay and First so lovey dovey? I have seen…
Sigh ... How to put it? Where to start? I KNOW that many of those guys starring in BLs are behaving rather inappropriate. I don't want to throw around the word "homophobic", but you get the impression they are not thinking highly of gay relationships and the roles they have to play. And if someone is indeed gay, they even bully him, like we have seen with Earth and the Love By Chance guys. So that's bad, yes. But regarding Tay and First: Please keep it down for Christ sake! Why all that touching and kissing? Their friendship? Come on! They can do that off-camera. I have seen guys hugging and being touchy in the Safe House before, but this is just a bit too much. There is also something about First that makes him an easy target. First and Khao are there to promote their series. And yes, Khao was annoyed. There was a scene where First got up and talked with Tay, and Khao looked seriously pissed. I was surprised by that. He sometimes tries to keep First in his company which he has any right to do so, because they are there to promote their series! That's their job. Many viewers also tune in because of TayNew. That TayFirst thing is not needed. And I don't even want to start with those guys making stupid jokes. Funny, it's always the ones who aren't that popular or talented. I don't care what those guys do or don't in their private life. I don't care about shipping or their romantic relationships. That has nothing to do with me anyways. But just keep it down a bit. Promote your series/couple like you're supposed to do. I sometimes feel that many of those guys don't enjoy being in the Safe House. Maybe they should stop that format, or put less guys in there they more carfully select.
LMAO
Foreigners always think Thailand is sooo open minded. I don't believe that. The reason for the homophobia seems to be that gay men are perceived as not masculine enough, too effeminate, silly, weak or whatever. So being gay is a bad thing. It's the same in the Western world, though. It just shows that those guys have a problem with their own masculinity. And playing such roles is a big thread to their masculinity, if that makes sense.
Regarding your other question: This may sound ugly, but they cast straight guys because the whole industry is not all about support for the LGBTQ community, it's also about sexual arrousal. I for example am attracted towards women. If you watch lesbian porn which many straight guys watch, you clearly see that those women look and behave to attract straight guys. The joke goes "One woman is great, two are even better." So for lesbian women the lesbian porn is unwatchable, because it's directed towards straight guys. It's similar with BL series. The actors are meant to attract straight women. If you have ever seen a fan meeting where a BL actor takes off his shirt and you hear women screaming like there is no tomorrow, you know what I mean. That's how they sell those series. KinnPorsche is on world tour. You can be sure there is a lot of female screaming going on because the actors are so hot, lol. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't scream like that if they knew those actors were gay. Or if some very effiminate boys were on stage who clearly are not interested in women.
I also strongly feel that First and Khao are very, very good people. I feel a certain warmth watching them. But who knows? They may fool me too.
The top/bottom thing is complicated. It's not only about sexual positions, this is also about who is more dominant in the relationship. But talking about sexual positions: Even in real gay relationships this is a thing. Most couples aren't versatile. But again, my point is: Why being so clumsy by educating the audience? Who is there to be educated? Gay people? Sure not. They won't stop calling their significant other "wife" after watching the series (if they did it before which I doubt, haha). So he tried to educate a fandom. This is a bit silly since the fandom lives from certain stereotypes. Many enjoy feminizing one guy in the relationship. There is even a thing like "Mpreg" in the wattpad world. The hetero girls out there who watch BL and who are still the main audience like that stuff. That's why they do it in the first place. I'm a bit pessimistic. I don't think you can change that, and honestly, I don't see the need for it. It's not that serious.
Regarding The Eclipse: Akk is taller and stronger. So people assume he is the "man" in the relationship. Maybe this is an evolutionary thing. We all still think in those categories. If they are going in a different direction, it's fine with me, because the way the characters are written it's believable. I won't think they are just doing it to prove a point or to educate us. Again, this is not only about sexual positions.
I KNOW that many of those guys starring in BLs are behaving rather inappropriate. I don't want to throw around the word "homophobic", but you get the impression they are not thinking highly of gay relationships and the roles they have to play. And if someone is indeed gay, they even bully him, like we have seen with Earth and the Love By Chance guys. So that's bad, yes. But regarding Tay and First: Please keep it down for Christ sake! Why all that touching and kissing? Their friendship? Come on! They can do that off-camera. I have seen guys hugging and being touchy in the Safe House before, but this is just a bit too much. There is also something about First that makes him an easy target. First and Khao are there to promote their series. And yes, Khao was annoyed. There was a scene where First got up and talked with Tay, and Khao looked seriously pissed. I was surprised by that. He sometimes tries to keep First in his company which he has any right to do so, because they are there to promote their series! That's their job. Many viewers also tune in because of TayNew. That TayFirst thing is not needed. And I don't even want to start with those guys making stupid jokes. Funny, it's always the ones who aren't that popular or talented.
I don't care what those guys do or don't in their private life. I don't care about shipping or their romantic relationships. That has nothing to do with me anyways. But just keep it down a bit. Promote your series/couple like you're supposed to do. I sometimes feel that many of those guys don't enjoy being in the Safe House. Maybe they should stop that format, or put less guys in there they more carfully select.