This is engaging even though it's like a wattpad story coming to life. But the one guy looks constipated all of the time, and the other one looks malnourished. I have a hard time enjoying Chinese dramas because of those crazy beauty standards. Their actors look like underdeveloped malnourished children with doll like faces. It's not much better with the women. The infantilization is getting out of hand. Are they trying to make it AI in the near future? Are we supposed to get used to AI faces and doll like actors?
Honestly, I don't know what's wrong with you people if you enjoy so much suffering. But you only enjoy it on screen, I guess, otherwise the birth rate wouldn't be so low worldwide. All that whining about destroyed lives, dreams not fulfilled - yeah, just don't f*ck and makes kids. How is that? How am I supposed to feel sorry for people who dig their own graves? That said, the woman being treated like that on her job interview because she has kids is strange. So you're not supposed to have kids in Korea? She looks like 45, sorry, even if everyone behaves like she looks 30. It seems having kids in Korea is a crime? At the beginning nobody knew how old her kids were, so this is not only about teenage pregnancy. I love Yoon Sang Hyun since Secret Garten, but I can't be fooled that much to believe he once looked like Lee Do Hyun. That boy is pretty beyond believe, his older character looks like his face melted. Also, thinking the super gene boy is always around young girls, and those girls (even his own daughter) are not falling for him is not believable. I know he acts a bit crazy, but he is nice, soft and damn good looking. Who wouldn't fall for him? How the girls act so cocky around him instead of being smitten by him is unrealistic, when you see in any other drama how girls gush over pretty boys. And Lee Do Hyun is damn pretty. Then the love interest of the mother. Instead of showing us there is a real rival so she has to choose, they make him such a fishy guy so there is no real competition for Dae Yeong. It's all a bit cheesy, sorry. How he resolves everything with the kids and befriends them. It's too easy. And again, just don't have sex. Like ... hello? How can you whine about your self-inflicted problems so much? Dae Yeong with all his drinking and his melted face - it's a shame. Again, get a grip, you put your d*ck into her, so ... guess what? Ugh. Sorry for being vulgar. I'm tired of all that whining, that's all. Especially at this age. The children are almost grown, just live your life now. You're still young. Even people without children can't fulfill their dreams. IT'S CALLED LIFE!
They overdid it with the horrible looking CGI and the overly dramatic scenery. Story was confusing since it was hard to tell who is the father/mother/child of whom with all those concubines and complex relations over two generations/timelines. Everything else was great. The main leads were both incredible charming. Acting of everyone was mind-blowing good.
The writing is a mess. Blame the writers. Funny how you only find issues with Kanit.
I find it embarrassing how people defend Kanit only because New is looking beautiful. Tell me you're shallow without telling me! Kanit proved over and over again, that everything is about him. Form crying over losing that shallow boyfriend he didn't even saw that often to not thinking about Toto's feelings (again and again), using him as an emotional punching bay, treading him like a w*hore, chosing him at the end in a such a sassy way as if Kanit himself is the big price, not supporting Toto when he struggles, instead he just breaks up with him ...! The only thing Toto did wrong was being a bit too pushy, but even while he tried to kiss Kanit he never even touched him or forced him in any physical way. You can't even say he played some psychological mind games on him, since he was just playful and refused to do it with him when Kanit was down - until Kanit looked like a lost puppy and was indeed the manipulative one!
The hardest thing is living up to his father's expectations? I don't agree with that. He's deeply traumatized…
You missed my point too. There is something like a pyramid. You can't afford "emotional trauma" over such banalities when you're poor. Those kind of traumas come with a good life. People tend to be unhappy. I once watched a guy who was poor and become rich because with his YouTube videos, and he explained it so brilliantly. Rich people problems are happening after all other necessities are satisfied. You can think of your fulfilling relationship, pleasing your rich father, having the perfect shallow life, when other problems are out of the way. I'm not that young anymore. I discovered over the years that stories became more shallow. Today writers don't understand human struggles and hardships, because those writers were raised differently. Seeing how much thumps up your comments get, just proves that people who watch this series are very young and have no real understanding of real struggles. So they think their self induced trauma (which is just weakness and inability do deal with emotional challenges since they were raised in a very protected way) is something serious and needs empathy.
Oh, I’ve got mixed feelings about this episode. I was really annoyed with Kanit, perhaps because his character…
I said the same things about the characters weeks ago. Kanit has no real problems, while Toto has to try so hard, go an extra mile, to be worthy of this glorious boyfriend who has only his money and his good looks going for him. Kanit had it easy from the start, born into a rich family. He is very self-centered and emotionally immature, while we, the audience, are somehow supposed to be smitten by his good heart. I was hoping for a situation where he is really showing his good character and will support Toto who struggles so much, but nope. AI wrote this script.
Yeah, the editing has some issues and the scenes don’t feel well connected. I’ve seen comments asking when…
The director is also listed as screenwriter The editing is really an issue. There were many scene I would have cut out, and others are missing. The continuity is not great between scenes. But then again, some of the music is really good. So I don't know ... It feels rushed ...
Man what is this drama. I feel embarrassed for the actors due to the bad writing and production😭
How could they sign up for this? My Stubborn was also pretty trashy, but it had some good moments. The characters and their dynamics, the relationship development were interesting. This is a big step back. When you have a following and build a fan base, chose your projects wisely.
The editing is weak and screams low-effort. I'm disappointed in the director. And if he is also the writer: dude, stop it, hire someone else for the writing. So many redundant scenes and badly written dialogues, and I'm not talking about the vulgarity or raunchiness. In those moments the series shines and appears creative and different. It's one questionable story development after the other. The characters start to fall back into those cliche stereotypes. Everything lacks depth. The plot itself isn't bad, but the writing is shallow. TayNew make this series work with their great acting and good chemistry, otherwise this series isn't worth watching. It's the kind of story an AI bot would write. Perhaps he did! Seriously ... maybe I'm onto something ... I feel the director just wanted to finish this quickly. It's a shame.
One thing that really makes this show stands out is that you can tell it was made by a gay man. The dialogues,…
I don't think so. After ep5 when Kanit decided to not have sex since they need time to know each other better - that was the most womanly thing you can think of. Not gay behavior. Gays would be all over each other. The whole issue with Toto not being good enough to provide for Kanit who can provide for both of them is also the most hetero thing ever. Like: You can't provide for my precious daughter! The talk about children was also strange. Adoption is a thing, but still. If you refer to the raunchiness and vulgarity: yeah, that may be a gay thing, but that's not a compliment.
I'm from Italy. My cousin is a rescue worker. It's not that people look down on the job per se, but as far as…
Here in Italy ... The thing is that many people believe that rescue workers are public servants (paid by public institutions aka the government) which means it's a good and well paid job, but no. It's a private organization, and those on the top are very corrupt and get all the money, while the workers are doing their job mostly voluntarily (like my cousin did for years). They are always looking for some good hearted people who want to do the job, so they can profit. They get their money from membership fees which many people pay so they get rescued for free if something happens to them. There was a scandal not long ago (not in Italy) where it came to light how much money those on the top have while the workers get paid nothing or in the best case not very much.
"From where I am...."The pay of rescue workers in thailand is different from where you are....Why can't…
I think this is mostly an American thing, because Americans tend to think the whole world is run like America. I don't think Europeans or Africans are that clueless.
Why does this show diss rescue workers so much. The undertone from the beginning is that they are paid crumbs…
I'm from Italy. My cousin is a rescue worker. It's not that people look down on the job per se, but as far as I know there is zero education required to do the job. He started doing it voluntarily for some years, and I think he completed some courses, and now he got a paid position after quitting his other job which had nothing to do with medical work. You can't compare this job to the job of a doctor or a nurse. And now he earns 1200 Euros a month. You can't provide for a family with such an income in this time and age. If he wouldn't live with his parents (at the age of 30+) he couldn't even afford rent which is at least around 700 where I live if you want something decent for a single (!) person. How to live with 500 bucks (at best) a month? Groceries are around 300 for one person, car is around 300 a month (fuel, insurance, maintenance), clothes (well, that depends), etc.
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But the one guy looks constipated all of the time, and the other one looks malnourished.
I have a hard time enjoying Chinese dramas because of those crazy beauty standards. Their actors look like underdeveloped malnourished children with doll like faces.
It's not much better with the women.
The infantilization is getting out of hand. Are they trying to make it AI in the near future? Are we supposed to get used to AI faces and doll like actors?
All that whining about destroyed lives, dreams not fulfilled - yeah, just don't f*ck and makes kids. How is that? How am I supposed to feel sorry for people who dig their own graves?
That said, the woman being treated like that on her job interview because she has kids is strange. So you're not supposed to have kids in Korea? She looks like 45, sorry, even if everyone behaves like she looks 30. It seems having kids in Korea is a crime? At the beginning nobody knew how old her kids were, so this is not only about teenage pregnancy.
I love Yoon Sang Hyun since Secret Garten, but I can't be fooled that much to believe he once looked like Lee Do Hyun. That boy is pretty beyond believe, his older character looks like his face melted.
Also, thinking the super gene boy is always around young girls, and those girls (even his own daughter) are not falling for him is not believable. I know he acts a bit crazy, but he is nice, soft and damn good looking. Who wouldn't fall for him? How the girls act so cocky around him instead of being smitten by him is unrealistic, when you see in any other drama how girls gush over pretty boys. And Lee Do Hyun is damn pretty.
Then the love interest of the mother. Instead of showing us there is a real rival so she has to choose, they make him such a fishy guy so there is no real competition for Dae Yeong.
It's all a bit cheesy, sorry. How he resolves everything with the kids and befriends them. It's too easy.
And again, just don't have sex. Like ... hello?
How can you whine about your self-inflicted problems so much?
Dae Yeong with all his drinking and his melted face - it's a shame. Again, get a grip, you put your d*ck into her, so ... guess what? Ugh.
Sorry for being vulgar. I'm tired of all that whining, that's all. Especially at this age. The children are almost grown, just live your life now. You're still young. Even people without children can't fulfill their dreams. IT'S CALLED LIFE!
Story was confusing since it was hard to tell who is the father/mother/child of whom with all those concubines and complex relations over two generations/timelines.
Everything else was great.
The main leads were both incredible charming.
Acting of everyone was mind-blowing good.
Kanit proved over and over again, that everything is about him. Form crying over losing that shallow boyfriend he didn't even saw that often to not thinking about Toto's feelings (again and again), using him as an emotional punching bay, treading him like a w*hore, chosing him at the end in a such a sassy way as if Kanit himself is the big price, not supporting Toto when he struggles, instead he just breaks up with him ...!
The only thing Toto did wrong was being a bit too pushy, but even while he tried to kiss Kanit he never even touched him or forced him in any physical way. You can't even say he played some psychological mind games on him, since he was just playful and refused to do it with him when Kanit was down - until Kanit looked like a lost puppy and was indeed the manipulative one!
I once watched a guy who was poor and become rich because with his YouTube videos, and he explained it so brilliantly. Rich people problems are happening after all other necessities are satisfied. You can think of your fulfilling relationship, pleasing your rich father, having the perfect shallow life, when other problems are out of the way.
I'm not that young anymore. I discovered over the years that stories became more shallow. Today writers don't understand human struggles and hardships, because those writers were raised differently.
Seeing how much thumps up your comments get, just proves that people who watch this series are very young and have no real understanding of real struggles. So they think their self induced trauma (which is just weakness and inability do deal with emotional challenges since they were raised in a very protected way) is something serious and needs empathy.
Kanit had it easy from the start, born into a rich family. He is very self-centered and emotionally immature, while we, the audience, are somehow supposed to be smitten by his good heart. I was hoping for a situation where he is really showing his good character and will support Toto who struggles so much, but nope.
AI wrote this script.
The editing is really an issue. There were many scene I would have cut out, and others are missing. The continuity is not great between scenes. But then again, some of the music is really good. So I don't know ... It feels rushed ...
My Stubborn was also pretty trashy, but it had some good moments. The characters and their dynamics, the relationship development were interesting.
This is a big step back.
When you have a following and build a fan base, chose your projects wisely.
I'm not in porn mood today, so I guess I will drop it for now.
It's one questionable story development after the other. The characters start to fall back into those cliche stereotypes. Everything lacks depth. The plot itself isn't bad, but the writing is shallow.
TayNew make this series work with their great acting and good chemistry, otherwise this series isn't worth watching. It's the kind of story an AI bot would write. Perhaps he did! Seriously ... maybe I'm onto something ...
I feel the director just wanted to finish this quickly. It's a shame.
After ep5 when Kanit decided to not have sex since they need time to know each other better - that was the most womanly thing you can think of. Not gay behavior. Gays would be all over each other.
The whole issue with Toto not being good enough to provide for Kanit who can provide for both of them is also the most hetero thing ever. Like: You can't provide for my precious daughter! The talk about children was also strange. Adoption is a thing, but still.
If you refer to the raunchiness and vulgarity: yeah, that may be a gay thing, but that's not a compliment.
The thing is that many people believe that rescue workers are public servants (paid by public institutions aka the government) which means it's a good and well paid job, but no. It's a private organization, and those on the top are very corrupt and get all the money, while the workers are doing their job mostly voluntarily (like my cousin did for years). They are always looking for some good hearted people who want to do the job, so they can profit. They get their money from membership fees which many people pay so they get rescued for free if something happens to them.
There was a scandal not long ago (not in Italy) where it came to light how much money those on the top have while the workers get paid nothing or in the best case not very much.
I don't think Europeans or Africans are that clueless.
My cousin is a rescue worker.
It's not that people look down on the job per se, but as far as I know there is zero education required to do the job. He started doing it voluntarily for some years, and I think he completed some courses, and now he got a paid position after quitting his other job which had nothing to do with medical work. You can't compare this job to the job of a doctor or a nurse. And now he earns 1200 Euros a month.
You can't provide for a family with such an income in this time and age. If he wouldn't live with his parents (at the age of 30+) he couldn't even afford rent which is at least around 700 where I live if you want something decent for a single (!) person. How to live with 500 bucks (at best) a month?
Groceries are around 300 for one person, car is around 300 a month (fuel, insurance, maintenance), clothes (well, that depends), etc.