I agree. Some people are acting like Jun is a victim of SA. He is not. Sorn's a dick too, but too many give Jun…
I watch this on fast speed and I don't remember the exact dialogue of last week so it's possible I'm wrong in this, but...
From what I recall, the only time Jun "demanded" that Sorn should say "I like you" was when he was drunk. I'm sorry, but that doesn't count. It's basically someone on the end of their rope begging for a crumb. It might make Sorn feel bad or uncomfortable, or any other numbrer of things, but not "pressured" in the way you're implying. Especially since Jun basically fell asleep right after and Sorn was able to walk away.
Meanwhile, Sorn has been sending mixed messaged. This included telling Jun they're only having a physical relationship, but constantly demanding to know where Jun is; preventing him from hanging out with or talking to anyone veiwed as competition; basically telling Jun that they should be exclusive and he shouldn't date anyone; and constantly asking Jun "Do you like me already? When will you call me Hia? Why do you get along with everyone but me?"
The entire show is a buiildup. No single scene or sentence of dialogue exists independantly. It's all a buildup.
Jun fully consented, no question. He could have turned down Sorn initially, and he could have stopped being intimate with him at any point after starting their affair.
But Sorn played hard and loose with Jun's feelings, sent him hella mixed messages, and basically tore his heart apart.
If anything, Sorn has been pressuing Jun by demaning a standard of behavior that's out of place and without offering a reason why or anything in return.
I agree. Some people are acting like Jun is a victim of SA. He is not. Sorn's a dick too, but too many give Jun…
Jun fully consented. And Sorn is definitely guilty of lying, sending mixed messages, and, to a point, gaslighting him. That's what Jun basically said during their fight and I agree. Jun just left out his own part of the mess, but he's hurt so...
They're both at fault, Sorn much more so than Jun. But then, if they'd communicated properly from the start...where would be the fun (or the show) in that? LOL
Okay i'm officially mad at sorn. Maybe the show is missing context which is given in the novel, but based on the show, here goes. I saw sorn as someone who likes jun, both physically and emotionally. At the start of the show jun says that sorn returned after a time away. The break occured immediately after the first time sorn and jun shared a secual encounter. Sorn left and didn't approach jun again until he was done with his legendery playboy days. When sorn and jun meet again, sorn makes a move. Initially he terms it only as friends with benefits or teacher and student...all ridiculous excuses in order to get an in. But we see how caring he is of jun, how possessive, how he makes every effort to take care of jun, despite speaking to him harshly. We can see that sorn is perfectly aware of what he is doing, on all counts. The vibe i got tho, was that sorn was waiting for jun to catch up to him. First, physically. Then emotionally. He was waiting for the jun to catch feelings, constantly asking jun "how do you feel about me?" That waiting was also what make sorn so possessive and jealous, bc his biggest fear was someone taking jun away. But this last episode??? Came out of left field for me. And completely invalidated everything about sorn from the start up to now. i don't even know what to think....but one thing i know for sure is that sorn is an absolute ass.
I was just about to start this show and came to the comment section to see what I'm in for...you scared me lmao.Care…
Oh!My!Lordddddd!
First of all, thank you so much for your essay!! I was running out of quality reading material and you just won 'author of the year.'
Second of all, what an unholy mess!!! My jaw dropped about halfway through your explanantion and managed to acheive new levels of droppage by the time I was through. The chaos gave me whiplash just reading about it second hand, I can only imagine your pain while actually watching this live lol.
Yeah, I can maybe go for any one of these tropes indiviudally, depending on my mood, but this melting pot of everything at once doesn't work for me. I think I'll give this one a skip.
Well, it started off pretty OK. It was enough to keep watching, but it went downhill fast. What am I saying??…
I was just about to start this show and came to the comment section to see what I'm in for...you scared me lmao. Care to elaborate on your comment? I don't mind spoilers. Just wanna know what heading my way and if it's worth my time. Please and thank you!!
Just started this and I'm a bit confused about who's who. The main characters can someone tell me? Who is blodod-related to and/or work colleagues with whom?
Anyone who read the webtoon can spoil the ending for me? Whom does she end up with? Or is this one of those where the FL decides to choose herself and become a "strong woman"?
min jun is so dumb for not confirming with him and running away with the misunderstanding like any normal person…
In his defense, he was: 1) very young 2) introverted 3) somewhat socially akward 4) insecure 5) lonely 6) probably shocked at finding himself attracted to a man
To top it all off, he'd seen multiple times how his bf was responding and acting with another man whom he called "friend." That led to added insecurity. The phone call really stirred him up. Then he followed his bf and saw "confirmation" of a romantic relationship between his bf and said "friend."
Be kind to him. His heart was broken and he simply didn't know how, or have the proper tools, to resolve it from a place of confidence, self respect and maturity bc he was sadly severly lacking in them all.
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From what I recall, the only time Jun "demanded" that Sorn should say "I like you" was when he was drunk. I'm sorry, but that doesn't count. It's basically someone on the end of their rope begging for a crumb. It might make Sorn feel bad or uncomfortable, or any other numbrer of things, but not "pressured" in the way you're implying. Especially since Jun basically fell asleep right after and Sorn was able to walk away.
Meanwhile, Sorn has been sending mixed messaged. This included telling Jun they're only having a physical relationship, but constantly demanding to know where Jun is; preventing him from hanging out with or talking to anyone veiwed as competition; basically telling Jun that they should be exclusive and he shouldn't date anyone; and constantly asking Jun "Do you like me already? When will you call me Hia? Why do you get along with everyone but me?"
The entire show is a buiildup. No single scene or sentence of dialogue exists independantly. It's all a buildup.
Jun fully consented, no question. He could have turned down Sorn initially, and he could have stopped being intimate with him at any point after starting their affair.
But Sorn played hard and loose with Jun's feelings, sent him hella mixed messages, and basically tore his heart apart.
If anything, Sorn has been pressuing Jun by demaning a standard of behavior that's out of place and without offering a reason why or anything in return.
They're both at fault, Sorn much more so than Jun.
But then, if they'd communicated properly from the start...where would be the fun (or the show) in that? LOL
Maybe the show is missing context which is given in the novel, but based on the show, here goes.
I saw sorn as someone who likes jun, both physically and emotionally.
At the start of the show jun says that sorn returned after a time away. The break occured immediately after the first time sorn and jun shared a secual encounter. Sorn left and didn't approach jun again until he was done with his legendery playboy days. When sorn and jun meet again, sorn makes a move. Initially he terms it only as friends with benefits or teacher and student...all ridiculous excuses in order to get an in. But we see how caring he is of jun, how possessive, how he makes every effort to take care of jun, despite speaking to him harshly. We can see that sorn is perfectly aware of what he is doing, on all counts. The vibe i got tho, was that sorn was waiting for jun to catch up to him. First, physically. Then emotionally. He was waiting for the jun to catch feelings, constantly asking jun "how do you feel about me?" That waiting was also what make sorn so possessive and jealous, bc his biggest fear was someone taking jun away. But this last episode??? Came out of left field for me. And completely invalidated everything about sorn from the start up to now. i don't even know what to think....but one thing i know for sure is that sorn is an absolute ass.
First of all, thank you so much for your essay!! I was running out of quality reading material and you just won 'author of the year.'
Second of all, what an unholy mess!!!
My jaw dropped about halfway through your explanantion and managed to acheive new levels of droppage by the time I was through. The chaos gave me whiplash just reading about it second hand, I can only imagine your pain while actually watching this live lol.
Yeah, I can maybe go for any one of these tropes indiviudally, depending on my mood, but this melting pot of everything at once doesn't work for me. I think I'll give this one a skip.
Thank you for your wonderful explanation!! <3
Care to elaborate on your comment? I don't mind spoilers. Just wanna know what heading my way and if it's worth my time. Please and thank you!!
The main characters can someone tell me?
Who is blodod-related to and/or work colleagues with whom?
Thanks for answering!!
Whom does she end up with? Or is this one of those where the FL decides to choose herself and become a "strong woman"?
1) very young
2) introverted
3) somewhat socially akward
4) insecure
5) lonely
6) probably shocked at finding himself attracted to a man
To top it all off, he'd seen multiple times how his bf was responding and acting with another man whom he called "friend." That led to added insecurity. The phone call really stirred him up. Then he followed his bf and saw "confirmation" of a romantic relationship between his bf and said "friend."
Be kind to him. His heart was broken and he simply didn't know how, or have the proper tools, to resolve it from a place of confidence, self respect and maturity bc he was sadly severly lacking in them all.