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I am actually practicing mystical Buddhism(Vajrayana), though not identified as a Buddhist so that gives me that right, right?

As a gay man, I'd say Tharn and Type are no different from other gay guys I know. Being part of the community, I say there are different types of people thus the variety of colors of the rainbow it represents.

When you say toxic characters, there are characters of that kind in Western shows. Have you even watched SKAM?

Erotic novel author:

This story contains scenes for very mature audience such as BDSM, fetish, rape, non-consensual sex and other very mature subjects.

Viewers(sexual assault victims and people who dislike BDSM):

I don't like this novel for it contains scenes that trigger me as a sexual assault victim. I also dislike BDSM and the storyline doesn't offer resolution to the rape victim who is the main character.

Then proceeds to write a review with the same statements...

Like SERIOUSLY?

I am not making fun of the victims but I find it disconcerting how they still want to proceed.

I actually saw comments here(already buried and assumed to be deleted) had this complaint and posted her sentiments. Like, she probably failed to read the novel first(which was understandable at that time) or she was not given the warning beforehand. I wasn't even sure if she was mature enough.

Honestly, this kind of content is very mature that there's a content rating and warning right before the start of each episode. I am no psychologist but I think sexual assault victims are advised not to view content that contains sexual activities. It may trigger their PTSD. But then, TharnType already has that warning at the beginning. So the risk now lies to the viewers.

The thing is many international viewers complain that the actions of Tharn is romanticizing sexual assault. I agree that it was disturbing but they failed to see some factors and that this is gay content, BL. It is not a mainstream content.

I would probably have the same sentiment if this would be shown in the mainstream. But then BL, gay content with this kind of scenes will always be categorized in the niche genre.

But then other BL fans are campaigning for the BL content to become mainstream. They cite 2gether as an example for its mainstream success. With this agenda, they want BL content to be free from non-consensual sex and other unnecessary intimacies. LMAO.

Like HONEY!

Look at what happened to Fifty Shades of Grey. It was an attempt to make BDSM mainstream. It was even regarded as mommy porn. Though it gained box office success, it received mixed to negative reviews.

In fairness, the negative reviews are mostly on the pacing of the storyline and acting unlike the negative reviews of so-called critics of TharnType who dwell on the lack of resolution on the homophobia of Type, Tharn's gaslighting and Lhong being set free, situations that are addressed in the series in an implied manner but they failed to see because they have better resolutions in their minds. How about you write your own novel instead?

What I don't like of these MORALIST and SELF-RIGHTEOUS 'viewers' is that they brand fans of TharnType as rape advocates. The injustice they convey just shows their being BIGOTED.

I honestly don't think of them as viewers because they can freely ignore this kind of content. However, I liken their actions to that of European conquers and Christian missionaries who imposed their homophobic, self-righteous beliefs to American Indians and indigenous Filipino people. Now, homophobic beliefs still prevalent in my community in the Philippines with self-righteous people almost everywhere.

"There was no resolution to all circumstances in their lives, with both of them (with the inclusion of Tar) being sexually abused by older men in the past! It's so frustrating that as a viewer, we're seeing the effects of their trauma and they just come into terms with it. With Tharn's gaslighting, nonconsensual sexual advances in the early eps (which he didn't apologized for), emotional manipulation, the total ignorance towards Type's mental illness, when we see him everytime he concedes with Tharn's manipulative ways. And that sends a dangerous message to victims of sexual abuse out there."

I pointed to you the resolution which was done more in actions than incorporating it in dialogues.

As for Tharn's gaslighting, I shared to you the justifications of his actions. Again, he is not a squeaky clean character some viewers expect for a protagonist and that makes him more interesting.

As for the victims of sexual abuse, that's why this series has an adult rating. If they are triggered by this content, then why should they consume it? If they would continue, then they would be disappointed as their expectations for resolutions as would be normally seen in Western shows such as visiting psychiatrists, taking medication for depression and other Western beliefs are not incorporated in the show. This is a show in Thailand, in the East that is not Christian but Buddhist.

I am not sure how the Thais do it but we have been aware that this series is based on a work of fiction.

As for why Lhong was not convicted of his evil doing, this issue is always raised by some viewers.

Again, there is an essence of Forgiveness here, which people in the West and even in countries that adhere to beliefs of revenge and justice fail to see.

Why does the author let Lhong free and unpunished?

Isn't his mental anguish, losing his best friend and being sent into exile not enough?

Tharn probably didn't want to deal with lawsuits and court hearings. It is implied that Tharn and Type decide to let this matter go as Lhong has already been punished with his doing.

Again, this may be a surprise in characters shift in behaviour in dealing with certain matters. But then international viewers want to impose their beliefs which they want to be incorporated in this series.

Haven't they had respect to the author?

And then some fans would argue, would we let this kind of belief prevalent in the BL World?

Haven't they realized that there are tropes in Japanese BL that may not be suitable for their taste?

And then another question, why is this series getting this hype?

Again, the imposition of beliefs, their Western beliefs to Eastern shows that adhere to beliefs of Love and Forgiveness as opposed to Revenge and Criminal Justice.

I don't see RESPECT for this kind of BL fans, Maybe they would just ignore this series and proceed with their lives than leave reviews that reek of prejudice.

As to why Type became sexually addicted to Tharn, it is implied in the dialogue in Episode 4 that Tharn learned the ropes of sexual healing and proper gay sex at a young age after his first sexual experience with a guy, which he didn't like. This narration is an implication that Tharn may have learned tantric sex, a sex guide that exists in Hindu and Buddhism literature. Considering Thailand is Buddhist country, he might have learned it although this information is yet to be found in the novel. Hence, it is an implication as Tharn accepted himself as a homosexual at a young age and have been through different sexual partners, including a girl which he didn't like.

Approach the series with an open mind as it may integrate beliefs and culture different from yours.

Many international BL fans are guilty of ignoring the culture of Thailand especially the fans who come from conservative countries whose beliefs tend to be moralist and self-righteous.

They have their comment about the usual tropes of lakorn, Thai dramas and yet fail to understand why are these practices prevalent. They seem to demand behaviours to be applied on the BL characrers based on their beliefs, thus showing their superiority complex.

Firstly, both Tharn and Type are young adults. They are in the age of consent. But as young adults, they are susceptible to making wrong decisions. Hence, they are not squeaky clean characters. They both have faults. They both committed errors. But what justified their actions?

Even though the justification seem pointless and their actions still bordering on evil, people can find understanding of their characters based on prior events as shown in the scenes of the series.

Now, we'll tackle the sexual assault committed by Tharn.

Why did Tharn do it? Is it because of hatred, anger and the chance to get back at Type, while he's sleeping?

Take note, Type here is a sportsman. He is taller and slim muscular and plays football, thus his strength surpasses that of Tharn.

But during the time when Type was drunk and asleep and vulnerable, Tharn used that opportunity to get back at Type?

Is Tharn evil for doing that?

Yes. I can even say he is EVIL. But what pushed him to do that.

Firstly, Type is a his ideal man. Second, despite Type being is ideal man, the person happens to be homophobic, someone he despises. Thirdly. Type committed many atrocious things towards him. At that moment, any thoughts of righteousness may have escaped from his consciousness and what he wanted to do was to give revenge.

Prior to that event, Type's friend Techno even warned him about the possibility of things as he was sleeping with the enemy.

During the shower scene, many people see Tharn doing another sexual assault.

Again, what prompted Tharn to do that?

Did Type like what Tharn did to him in the shower?

If I were Type, I would have kicked Tharn considering his body type and strength. He even kicked Tharn in the CR at the club when they were already dating. So kicking him would just be a piece of cake. But then he was horny. He tried to masturbate at that room until Tharn discovered him. After that event, Type was even more confused.

I suggest you approach this series with an adult mind like what you would when you were watching CSI or other crime series. But then if your mind has not been expanded with other genres of movies and shows, then I feel like your take on this series would be very narrow bordering on being MORALIST.

Many viewers of the series also read the novel to know the perspectives of Type during those scenes. So I suggest you do so....

Anyways, to continue...

How did Type deal with his being a rape victim?

If you have watched episode 4, Type narrated what happened to him during that time. Upon knowing what Type had gone through, Tharn became more understanding. And this even lead Type more confused of his feelings towards Tharn. Take note, not even Techno his best friend knew about Type being a rape victim. It was Tharn who first knew about this, a person he considered his enemy upon learning of Tharn's orientation.

As for how Type dealt with homophobia and why he slept with Tharn, didn't you watch the event in those scenes that led Type to get confused about his feelings for Tharn?

First, Tharn helped Type from the public shaming of being homophobic in their campus by talking to the victims of Type. And those victims happened to be friends of Techno who learned that Tharn liked Type from those two LGBT characters who had an altercation with Type.

Techno then relayed that info to Type, which even made Type confused as someone who is gay liked him despite him being homophobic. At this point, didn't you see the shift in these characters and their feelings?

You see it a messy storyline when in fact you failed to closely monitor the shift in their attitudes towards each other, especially in the case of Type.

Type could have moved out to another room but then why did he decide to stay knowing the dangers he might go through again as he was rooming with a gay man? But his arrogance won him over, thinking he could pin down Tharn, a music major, that easily.

That's why it's important to know the characters as well as their attributes to gauge their capabilities. Authors normally incorporated the strength of their characters. If there is no narration, viewers can assume the strength of the characters based on their stature, hobbies and inclinations. The series requires you to closely observe the characters, actions, gestures or even shifts in eye movements.

As someone who is initially prejudiced to the series, you may have clearly failed that.

Now, as for the time jump on the decision of Type to have sex with Tharn, it is implied that it happened during a semester break. Type asked Tharn not to go home. Also, Type used that opportunity when the dorm was not crowded so they wouldn't be heard when they had their sex for the first time.

Again, closely observe the dialogue. if you fail to grasp the first time, watch the episode again. That's what I did as someone who initially thought the series would be just purely erotic and problematic.

Have an open mind.

I suggest you also watch Moonlight, the first LGBT film to win an Oscar Best Picture so you will know how to understand problematic characters in TharnType. The main character of the Oscar-winning film is also problematic but it helps in showing the scenes leading to his sad adulthood, a character who leans on the gay side but is an ex-convict and drug dealer.

if you are bigoted, don't watch the series. But if you open your minds and you proceed beyond the episodes that Bible-thumpers and moralists consider to have contents with sexual assault, then by all means, enjoy yourself watching the rest of the series as you use your hearts and minds understanding the characters and circumstances that lead the characters to act certain ways as shown in each episode.

It just shows you didn't watch the series completely.

I used to shame this kind of comment, seemingly baseless during the time of the series airing until its special episode.

Have you really completed the series and made this kind of comment just to bring spite?

Or were you just writing this comment because of some biases over preference in shows, culture and belief and not making yourself open-minded.

There are bigoted people who come to watch this series and tried to be like
Roger Ebert without even completing it, without even understanding the actions and the justifications as well as the circumstances the lead the characters to act the certain ways.

People are saying it's about a homophobic character without even understanding why this character came to be that way.

This series has a dark undertone that it may not be your cup of tea. But writing a review because its portrayal didn't provide you with enough closure just shows your lack understanding of it. That's why viewers like me have to rewatch the episodes for us to gain understanding of certain circumstances happening in certain episodes. Gestures and subtle expressions and reactions from the engagements of the characters are to be noted and for us to connect the dots to arrive at certain theories or conclusions.

That's why mature BL fans find TharnType to have a balance of engaging storyline despite its controversy and of intimacy as it belongs to a homoerotic genre.

As for a messy storyline, LOL. Can you even justify why you regard it as messy?

I'll be waiting for your response and will be gladly answering the points you think that have been contributing to its messy storyline.

If the director and the writing team respected the author and followed the events in the novel despite some cut parts, then this would not have happened. The plot in the novels have more romantic scenes than in the series.

And from what I've learned, they didn't expect that they would get this much hype especially from the actors.

I feel like the author may have regretted the sale of this book to the network. Just maybe even though her other book. Theory of Love, was also sold to GMMTV and made into a series. But Theory of Love didn't get that much hype compared to 2gether.

i did comment about it that the series would be guilty of labeling the main characters as 'straight, but in love with a man".

This is the problematic trope that GMMTV is known for in its BL shows. Thai Lakorn is also known for portraying openly gay characters as comic characters as exemplified by the character Green in the show. The network is more on the agenda with the statement "love knows no gender". If you think Bright and Win first uttered this in their interview, you are wrong. It's the same statement Krist Perawat answered during an interview in Thailand during the popularity of Sotus. And so far, it's being prevalent on the concept during the tandem of TayNew and OffGun in their respective series.

Synchronicity

Don't forget Korn(gay) and Knock(bisexual). Knock admitted his being bisexual on the first episode of Bad Romance. Though we see Knock having a girlfriend on Together With Me, he experienced sexual awakening after a drunken night with his best-friend (Korn).

The thing newbie BL fans dismissed is that Korn and Knock started their relationship as best friends not on the night where they had drunken sex. Their prejudice was even baseless when they failed to watch Bad Romance where we first discover Korn and Knock, who are already a gay couple in that series.

As much as I wanted to have a season 2, I feel like having a sequel considering that the events in 2 books have been compressed in one season is like putting injustice to the original author.

Yes, it's known that GMMTV bought the rights but even if the author gained from the sale, I think it would be a disrespect to the author to add another season without her in the credit nor the lack of consultation that the producer and the network must seek from the author, Jittirain, considering the idea of the characters Sarawat and Tine is from her.

And for those commenting and disliking skinship and intimate scenes, you know there's still YouTube for you. Go stick there while the rest of those who want to see intimate scenes can watch on LineTV. But I know you're hypocrites, so you can still have the freedom to peek on LineTV.

Honestly, this show has attracted a slew of newbie fans who are hypocrites. Make yourself open-minded to male-to-male skinship unless you're nuns or religious bigots, like what are you even doing here watching BL?

I would give this show a chance though if the season 2 pushed through.

I feel like the actors' talents are wasted just because of mediocre writing, editing and direction of the series. And they must have a new director while the original author of the novel should be part of the writing team.

As for intimate scenes, again there's LineTV where they can show these scenes. There's no other excuse that they can craft unless they're too uncomfortable doing those scenes.

After more than a month being attacked by a rabid fan of the show here, I'm back.

And I understand the feeling of disappointment in the recent episodes. I actually stopped watching at ep10 until the series finishes to resume watching it. And by the looks of the comments here and in social media, I don't really expect much from the series as I also shared my disappointment to its direction as well as the director.

Now for those fans who are against WhyRU and TharnType and their intimate scenes, you must know that this is BL. It's a homoerotic genre where fans expect for intimate scenes. If you think you don't like it, go watch straight dramas instead, where you watch couples getting intimate after getting married.

And as for those who are defending for the series content rating being PG-13, are you aware that the rating only applies when the series is shown on Thai TV?

Other BL series shown on Thai TV have their intimate scenes censored but these NC scenes are shown on LineTV having a more adult rating.

When I learned about 2gether also being shown on LineTV, then they probably have intimate scenes on the recent episodes.

But why then the viewers are still complaining of the lack of intimate scenes in the recent episodes?

Why do 2gether's views on LineTV reached over 100M views when similar scenes are also shown on YouTube. Just to set a BL World record?

Perhaps, because of Chinese viewers? Kinda understandable. But still, it's possible for intimate scenes to be shown on LineTV.

The PG13 rating again only applies to ThaiTV. Rating on kisskh page can even be adjusted. And for the other fans to defend that the lack of intimate scenes, even just simple scenes to make them believable as gay couple living together, because of PG-13, that reasoning is just BS and invalid.

Clearly, there is something wrong with the writing and the direction which I pointed out a month ago. I was almost invested to this series but something stopped me when I reached ep. 10 because it's like I am just watching very close buddies living together.

I agree. My friend recommended Lovesick but I didn't really like it. It was with Sotus that I appreciate Thai BL but I still see it as a fantasy. And I agree that Bright and Win are attributed more for the series' success. I have kept on saying it here and yet people are always on attack mode. Lol

I feel like it's true and most of them are from a country with fans that are into fanwars. I rest my case here.

kisskh was not like that before in 2017. We used to freely criticize when we pointed out errors and we respect opinions. The more fans come here, the more toxic it becomes. I may have to rest this app for good as my other old peers may have done.

The fuck with the insult. I see Tine as stupid because of how he acted. It is how I see on the way he perceived things. And please learn logic. Please. What is my statement about Tine likely homophobia towards femme gay guys. It is probable that he may have it. It doesn't mean that he is. I am gay and even in the community there is still that discrimination and homophobic tendencies.

Attacking me like that is very insensible. Do you even know the intention of my criticisms?

I always said that i liked the series asshole
Read my other comments. And refrain from commenting to my posts.

Well, I believe in the power of sexual healing. And just so you know, I also criticized TharnType so it would improve. Gladly, my expectation was met.

As for 2gether, it is still to early to say. I still attribute the series' success more on Bright and Win and not on its storyline.

I have a problem with the plot. Please read my other comments and posts so I don't have to repeat.

I also mentioned that I like this and I don't want it to end up like Cause you're my Prince starred by Frank and Drake, who are the side couple here.

If you want to improve BL series, you must not be afraid to point out the errors and share your criticisms, this is so directors and writers can improve their craft and produce high quality BL. But it seems most of you are in your bubble fawning over Bright and Win's visuals more, then I'd rather interact with more sensible viewers.

Well, I am gay and I am a law student. Anyways, you have a point. As for stupidity, kinda subjective and strategic but there is also that IQ requirement. But for a perspective from a gay guy, I'd rather be in a competition with a man than to be with 2 genders. A bi guy can choose a heteronormative life as he wishes while those who are only attractive to males can be stigmatized in an oppressive society. But let's not talk about it here.

As you said, this is fantasy and it may be from a parallel universe. Lol