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Yes, it's a spin of with both guys and a new girl. I was actually looking to see if there was part 2 for this novel. But, I came across information that the writer used Night and Phoenix in a new novel with a new girl. I don't know if it will be made into drama though but I hope it will. I kinda liked the idea of part two were they continue the story with same characters like TMOBP which will have a continuation (second) drama by next year. We will see what they come up with in the future.

I don't think the girl is JM but she seems equally naive and clueless from what I read. The novel is about both of Night and Phoenix fighting for the girl and the girl thinking they r fighting for a gay guy. It's called two ex-husbands in one stage and in this one Night get the love of the girl. The comments I read also said that it's funnier than ashes of love.

The writer of the novel and drama (same writer) was rooting for RY according to what I read. She also wrote another novel with both RY and XF fighting over the love of a girl and in her recent novel, RY got the happy ending with the girl. The novel is not translated to English yet. Maybe, it will be made into drama sometime in the future.

This is nothing like Fu Yao. In terms of action like fights and war, it's very very limited in this one. TMOPB had more action for sure. You can give it a try and see if you like it or not.

When I said that JM and ZF are not that naive, I was referring to them sleeping together behind RY back. They both understood what they were doing at that point and that's I did not like. In that time, it was common to arrange marriages. Even JM father warned her against what she is doing with RY and XF. And RY was in very bad state that time. He just saw his mom being killed by XF mother, then he gets to see that XF slept with JM. I don't think any of us is saying that RY in perfect and never did anything wrong. Actualy, in regards to JM he made many wrong choices. No one says he did not. He is not perfect and did mistake. I wanted him so badly to move on from her but I also understood that for him she represented hope and purity he liked. The main issue is that most viewers of this drama belamed RY for everything and that I see as very unfair. You also keep saying that XF and JM are justified with doing what they did. You obviously like him more and biased towards him and don't want to see any of his flaws. But for me, What I am saying is XF is also NOT A PERFECT GUY and had contributed to many of the things that happened. For example while he really loved JM, his mother was more important to him than her. When his mom was about to kill JM inside her palace, he tried to talk her out of it. But when she was giving a final and fatal blow to JM, he stood there watching. It was actually RY who took the blow on behalf of JM and saved her. Also, when JM confronted him after her father death about the killer. He told her that it was only possible for either him or his mom to kill her father. He knew at that point that his mom was implicated in killing her father, yet never once talked to JM about it. So, in fact he was partly responsible for his own stabbing. He was trying to cover up for his mom. Had he been hounest with JM, this could have been avoided. So, his love to JM was conditional and not whole while his mother is alive.
Again, after he was revived due to the hug sacrifice of Jam (she even had to give the color of her eyes to save him) he treated her like trash and even tried to kill her with his Phoenix feather and when the feather did not kill her, he destroyed the feather. He was so bad to her that I just wanted her to move on. It was not worth putting herself in that situation of begging and crying all the time. And after she died, he came with this sub story that he actually was still loving here the whole time when he was not. There are many other examples I could write about.
So, for me talking about both of RY and XF chreacters, it's not about being biased for one-off them. It's about seeing them with their flaws and accepting that. Non of 3 of them is perfect and the 3 of them did mistakes and had their own flaws. That, why I don't see it fair to belame everything bad on RY.
I also did not see him really sacrificing everything for JM. She was actually the person who sacrificed the most for him.
Regarding the drama in general, I watched this becouse i love drama she about realms and gods.. But, I don't find myself obligated to accept everything about story. I watched many Chinese historicals and a part from the princess weiowming, they all ended up with a happy ending such as Ten Miles of peach blossom (you should really check it out, if you did not already), sound of the desert, general and I, oh my general, the eternal love, love lost in times, the flame's daughter, legend of fuyaw etc....all these Chinese historicals I watched ended with happy ending. So, happy ending is not rare in Chinese historicals. It's actually all over the place.

I'm disappointed that her name was removed from the 2019 drama the golden hairpin. From the discription, it seams very interesting and I thought both she and mark chaos will make good paring for the drama.
Also, I guess some of the tension is raising because both actress acted with the same actor in this year. I personally did not care for sweet dreams. I dropped it soon after the first episode. But it looks like it was popular in China.

Did you try strong woman do bong song? Its a Koreans drama but was about a stronge independent female lead. It's a fantasy contemporary and has it funny moment. I also recently watched Oh my general. It's a Chinese historical drama about a female general who marries the spoiled nephew of the emperor. It was interesting as the roles were reversed and the general was a woman. It's on YouTube and already translated into English.

I think Naddy replay put it in better words than mine. I know that JM is not an object but the decency say, if you liked someone else to finish a commitment you made publicly. She was not that naive to not understand that. Both she and XF were not that naive. I understand were RY is coming from and sympathize with him. He was not evil like his father or the empress. His ultimate fault is that he tried so hard for love. Also, XF knew how evil his mom can be yet, never stood against her. Even if she succeeded in killing JM, he would have never stood against her. The problem is that many people wanted to see things in black and white. It's simple to see RY as the evil person and XF as the perfect guy. But in reality, the 3 of them were not perfect and made mistakes. And as Naddy said, I wonder if XF was in RY place, if he would have acted differently.
At the end, we all have our preferences and understanding of situations depended on our experience, culture, lifestyle and family. That's why we relate to the character here differently.
If it was to me, JM will not end up with either of RY or XF. Thier father is her mother rapist and XF mother is the killer of both her parents. To me, I can never fathom her being with any of them. A meaningful ending for JM would be to move away from both and create her own destiny!

Actually it was RY who liked JM first since episode 3 when she gave him the red thread. And XF liked her later on when she wore the nice clothes after showing her real indentity (if it's about who like her first) But JM did not love any of them at that time. She just liked them both equally because they were both nice to her. JM agreed in front of everybody to the engagement and signed her name on the emperor declaration of thier engagement (she could have said no) So,when XF saw that and still went after her without any consideration to his brother, he stole her from his brother. That doesn't not mean she is better. She was engaged to one brother and went ahead to sleep with the other brother (that a lowest a girl could ever get really). RY was not just unloved by his parents. He had an evil step mother who did all of her powers to marginalize him and even tried to kill him. That's not something to look upon lightly. XF could have done things to help his brother but never did. He actually went out of his way to help JM but not his brother. And it was very smart decision of RY not to be reborn in the human realm with JM. He saved her life many times while XF mother was trying to kill her in the human realm. At the end, JM love story was destained to be like that in order for her to have the opportunity to sacrifice herself and get the opportunity to reborn. If RY has given up early on, she would have most definitely got killed by the empress (just like her mother) and would've never go to the opportunity to reborn.

Actually JM did not love XF until later on in the human realm because he kept going after her even to the human realm. She did not love XF when she agreed to marry RY. And while RY manipulated the suituation, he knew that by that time JM was not in love with anybody and that she liked everybody equally (when she was taken by the fairies back to her realm, she told both of RY and XF that she liked everybody equally). But, the drama was very confusing with the unfeeling pill. In the novel, JM was UNFEELING for real. She did not care about anything but her devin power. She was about to sleep with the snake YY to get devin power. The sleeping together with XF in the novel was almost rapy. She did not understand what she is doing. She thought she will get divine powers sleeping with him and was very angry she did not get any. And after sleeping with XF, she goes to RY house to have breakfast with him and sleeps at his house. The drama changed the story to creat a love story between XF and JM that did not exist in the novel. In the novel, JM spent equal time with both of RY and XF and never loved anybody including her father until she spilled the unfeeling pill after stabbing XF.

Well, it's a drama and in order to create events, they need other characters. Or what kind of drama will it be then. If RY didn't not exist, the story would not exist too because the story was about the 3 characters. I personally like RY and understood why he did what he did even if I don't agree with him. Yes, love can't be forced, but that exactly what XF did too. He was told by JM herself that she agreed to marry his brother RY in front of all the gods of heavenly realm but he still kept going after her. People who complained against him taking time for his story were mostly the fans of the actor who played XF. They were angry because the actor playing RY got screen time when they just waned to see the actor playing XF. It was very bad of them to do so because RY was a main character in the novel. they wanted to marginalize the actor playing RY as he was gaining huge popularity. It was a big fiascos in several Chinese sites and many of it was translated. I read a lot about it while the drama airing.

She is very good actress. Im already checking her other dramas. I find it strange why people can't be a fan of both of them. I'm not very familiar with fans in Asia. But it seam they r very hard core when it comes to support certain actor or actress.

RY, XF and JM were the main leads in the novel. It's 3 main leads novel. Both guys were equally present in the novel. However, the drama gave so much screen time to XF when he and JM are in the mortal real and later on in the drama. But RY got time for his character as he is a lead too. I don't want to spoil it for u, but RY saved JM many many times in this drama. If it was not for him, she will be dead and her soul destroyed by XF mother.

Your list is packed with more action like thriller romantic kind of dramas! This Drama won't belong there. It's similar to TMOPB. It even follows a similar pattern. Leads spend time in realms and toward the middle they spend time in the human realm. I personally liked TMOPB more and it was difinetly a higher budget compared to this one and packed with more action. Also, the lead female in TMOPB was stronger than the lead in this one who was mostly ignorant but funny in the first half and pathetic and sad in the second half (but the actress is amazing and was able to play the role really well. It's just her character in the drama). Acting wise, TMOPB tops this one too particularly when it comes to the main lead. The actor playing YH was amazingly imperfectly perfect for the role. We could see every emotion perfectly done. The main actors in this drama had good acting techniques. But I can tell he is acting. He had a cold facade that did not connect emotionally well with the character.

JM father really did not know about her because he actually was not intimate with her mom. She was conceived differently as stated in the drama (it was like flower goddess had another way to conceive beside the traditional way). He also wanted to marry her mom because he loved her so much but the jealous emperor order him to marry the wind goddess while he kidnaped JM mother and had her confined in the heavenly realm and also raped her. That caused the empress to be so jealous and she attacked JM mother with her poisonous magic and fatally wounded her. JM mother was able to run away from the heavenly realm but knew she was dying soon from the poison. She hides the fact that she is pregnant and when JM father Water God came to her asking her to marry him while defying the emperor orders, she refused him and told him she never loved him because she wanted him to have a happy and normal life. He never knew about JM as she was hidden inside the mirror. So, in a matter of fact JM lost any potential of having a normal life, her mom raped and killed, her dad not knowing anything about her because of XF parents. Then his mom conspired to kill her father (after the truth came out) and tried to kill JM herself many times. That why, the love story never make any sense. What kind of girl with her right mind will be with a guy who's family did that to her and her family! That's huge plot disappointment for me. And even those people who are happy about the happy ending. if they were in a JM place, they will never act in this total disregard to what happen to thier family unless they are mentally unstable.

I agree with you. I thought the drama has many plot flaws. One of the main one that really was upsetting is how everybody brushed the fact that JM mother was raped as if it was nothing even JM herself. Any decent person will be disgusted by that. And it was not only that her mother was raped by the dad of the guy she loved. His mom also was responsible for killing both her parents! Seriously, the fact that they ended up together in the end does not make any sense to me. How can a girl just spend an eternity with a guy who's father is her mom rapist and who's mother is a killer of her parents. I'm not asking her to take revenge if she did not want to, but to end up with the guy is just so missed up.
Also the fact that when she spelled the unfeeling pill and only could think of the guy even after he treated her horribly is so missed up. She never even considered her parents not once while doing so. I understand that people want to see happy ending in dramas but this one was just so missed up. It looked like JM is suffering from Stockholm syndrome of attaching herself to a guy and his family who treated her badly and caused her and her family so much pain and suffering.

I personally liked RY more than XF and mostly because I read the novel. In the novel, XF was strong, arrogant but selfish and self centered. He was feared more than loved. He always got what he wanted. when he wanted JM, he thought he can get her even though she was engaged to his brother and told him to his face that she is happy about the engagement. RY of the novel was the more complicated and layered character. He was more difficult to read but was the smarter one and the person who actually really understood JM. He actually loved JM early on in the novel and wanted her to be next to him. I'm surprised by how many people who read the novel missed that. He was actually caught touching and hugging JM by water god and felt so shy. He also made a rainbow for JM so she can find her way to his house and played chess with her daily though she was the worst chess player (he was allowing her to win sometimes and lose to him in other times) JM of the novel was also different. She was truly unfeeling. She did not love anybody and was happy to be engaged to RY as he is a nice and calm guy unlikely XF (that what she said). She actually spend so much time with RY and was about to marry him but her dad died several days before the wedding and that changed the plans. I was actually not very happy with the changes made for the drama. It made RY more like a villain. It also showed XF as this perfect guy who is strong but kind hearted, passionate, loving, perfect. He was not like that in the novel. Actually, RY was the one who was liked by the realms creatures in the novel. If the real character of XF was showed and the way he really slept with JM (it was almost rapy), he would have been hated by many people. Drama makers wanted him to be perfect and due to that his character became confused to many people in the drama.
The novel itself was unique in the way the writer was able to have 3 character equally important and shows their flaws. The drama was made just traditional in almost every way a Chinese drama is made. I did not like that personally. but, I can understand that the makers of the drama wanted to make the characters of the main girl and guy more lovable for people. If they showed JM as this girl who unconsciously manipulated both brothers (e.g allowing both to touch her, spending time with both of them etc...) , fans will not like that. Same for XF, if they showed him as this typical self centered son of emperor and empress, he also won't be liked much by fans.
RY was my favorite character in the novel for sure. but the drama made me more sympathetic for JM. It was hard to see Her losing everything because of XF mother and to know that her mom was raped by his dad. I personally wanted her to have a new start to find new and pure love. That would have been better ending to me rather than her ending with a guy who treated her badly and his family was responsible for destroying her family.

Let me be clear guys, I personally don't have any problem with the similarities between both works as they belong to the same kind of dramas and I will NOT rank this one less due to this issue. I actually rate them with very similar points and only like TMOPB a bit more due to the amazing acting of the main lead. But while I understand your points, I also understand the people who saw a lot of similarities too. And the people I talk about mostly are international fans who liked both dramas and thought they r similar. It's not necessarily that people who compare them will give this one bad rating. I hope you see that too. Many actually gave good rating to both even when they thought they are similar.
Saying that, I still think that the writer and the production team had time to come with better idea for this drama and that's because the idea of a ruler male lead and subject female lead is very consumed in Chinese historical dramas. That's what I mean with coming up with their original idea. It would have been better has they come up with a unique idea instead of going with the same traditional concept of a powerful guy who falls in love with a girl from a less advantaged background because that concept exists in almost all historical Chinese dramas. But that, again, won't affect my rating for this drama.
I'm also actually knowlegable of the plagiarism issue of TMOBP and it was the reason I did not read the novel (but I read heavenly sweetness). I studied literature and plagiarism in a big deal in my area of expertise. I even tried to find a translation of the original novel but I did not find it. I also know there were legal issues about the novel and I hope the original writer get credit for his/her work. But not everybody who watch dramas actually read the novels or even know they exist.
Regarding liking or not liking a theam of a drama that remains sudjective and every person look at them differently. I remember when I was watching TMOBP many international fans were outraged because BH left her son and killed herself. They also did not like the way she treated her son even after finding out he is her son. It was huge debate on YouTube about the issue of parenthood.
For my reservations about the theam of the drama that a love relationship between a guy and a girl can forgive everything including rape and killing of parents. That's my opinion, you have the right to disagree with it and I don't have any problem with you disagreeing with me. I understand that you think that by their death, they deserve to have thier love. I still I don't see it this way. In life, we all move on. Even JM mother moved on. Why should not she get a chance to find another simpler and purer love! That would have been better end to me. But I can see that my version of the ending would have broken the hearts of many many fans lol

My understanding is that the epilogue about their human realm experience was added and realeased just before the drama was realeased - it was the most recent added epilogues. For me, while I m not really bothered by it as other people, I still think the writer had the time and could have done something different to differentiate herself from TMOBP. Maybe then people did not have much ground to compare both dramas. Also, the epilogues actually starts after both of XF and JM were married (which is different that the timing presented in the drama). Here is a link to it: https://dorayakiz.wordpress.com/2018/02/17/new-epilogue-for-heavy-sweetness-ash-like-frost/
Regarding my reservations of the story, I clearly stated that's my personal opinion. People are different and what works for you does not necessarily mean it works to everybody. As I said, the drama belongs to my favorites kind of dramas and I liked how funny it was in the beginning, but I could not take myself out of thinking of the issue the story presented and that it does not add up at all. I never said JM needed to kill XF. My reservations is about the whole idea that a love between a guy and a girl can forgive everything including rape and killing of a mother and a dad of the girl by the guy's family. I hope you understand that represent my personal view which you have the right to disagree with. But for me, this was something I cannot overlook.

It amazes me all these things Chinese and Asian fans do when it comes to actors they like. When this drama was airing the fans of the main guy made this huge issue due to the fact that the actor playing RY got several episodes for his story ingnoring that RY was actually a main lead in the novel and ignoring the fact that their favorite actor got the first 30 episode for him and JM alon. They even accused him of paying money to the production team to get longer role and attacked him in Chinese social platform etc...also I read they were sending nasty messages and threats to the actress who played the empress because she played an evil role. Seriously, they r just actors doing their role. Why people in Asia take them so seriously!
The flame's daughter got bashed up really badly too by the fans of the second lead actor (bin bin or something) many people gave it very very bad rating because the main girl was not with the second guy and it was huge fiasco too. It was even worse than this one and everybody was just talking about it. I guesss this is the style of Asian fan