MaintainingMama

I said the same thing. Billy's acting during that scene was impeccable.

I was skeptical of them being able to answer all the questions I had even up to episode 11. But they some how managed to do every thing. Wrapped up the past to answer where Ruedee was, how his hair got cut and how he died. How Kaew and Khun Yai end up buried together like that. How Saen was able to follow him. They left out how Nanny Yam was able to. And I guess the child that Saen briefly mentions is Sin and that is why he was real and still called him dad even though he appeared older. They answered what happened to Sophee both in the past life as well as the current one. I'm super satisfied with her present death, as it had to be painful and she deserved it. I like that even Pan did not escape his atonement for his part in Kaewta death, and that lead to the fulfillment of their promise eternity in the next life time. I do want to know how Ruedee from the "present' was in charge of the White House in the 'future' and what happened to Kaewta and Yai in the "present" that they are gone and she is alive? Also, where was Khun Yai going to go before Kaewta came and told him he knew it was him?
My only thing I wish had happened was that when Kaewta and Khun Yai got back together in the 'present" that Kaewta, having remember the promise of telling Khun Yai he loved him, he did it when they were standing there and Khun Yai admits that it is him in Ajarn Prem's body.
Outside of that, this ending did not seem rushed to me, considering that they answered most everything. The music was beautiful. Billy's acting when he found out Kaewta was dead was brilliant. I felt every inch of his pain. I love that the Dad probably didn't approve of Khun Yai and Kaewta, but was just a decent human being that tried to save him....unless he killed him cause Kaew was alive when he found him....
Anyway, I definitely think this show deserved more love and I hope that BillyBabe get lots more work, because I love them together both on screen and off. Hopefully with a better flushed out script and better directing.

Boy it's nice to have balanced BLs right now. Comedy with Me and Thee, period/supernatural with Interminable, and this beautiful display of grown up complicated mess-a-ry. I love that we are finally getting why Koh is such a messed up individual. And that it's not some complicated back story. Literally just his dad being a bad business man, and his mom being hard on both Dad and Koh, for same reason, presented differently. I actually don't blame the mom. She, of course, comes off as harsh and mean to the father. But as a mother, my children's (as well as mine) security is paramount. It sounded like this was a chronic problem that they dealt with. There comes a time when enough is enough. So she lashes out at the father. Then, as mother's often do, she turns what she struggled with into a lesson that would shape who Koh would become. I don't think she knew her warning to be cold in business would have Koh become this closed off individual who became so good at doing business with out attachment that he now has threats surrounding him. That he would have to hide his identity, and become a recluse. That he would stop being able to sleep and that his social skills would go into the toilet. Such a simple problem turned into the mess we love to hate. Off Jumpol is killing this role. I'm not a fan of skinny men, but Off, in this role particularly, is sexy af! I get why Jira wants to draw/paint him all the time. He's so lithe in this role and I am living for it.
I'm was sort of feeling sorry for Pheem because I don't see how he has a chance now with Jira, but then I remember he slept with some one as well, so even Steven. It looks like Jira lets him know his decision next week, which I hope happens.
Now ask me if I think Jira is capable of forever or even a few years....mmmm. I don't know. He give free spirit who's whims change frequently, so it will be interesting how they build the romance/BL narrative in the last few episodes.

Nope, not just you, it was so distracting that it detracted from the plot. The chemistry could have been immaculate but who knows cause I was too busy looking at the bright fuchsia lipstick. Or super glossy lips. And I'm not a make up girlie, it takes alot for me to notice a bad make up job. This was terrible.

It was a decent start, except the lipstick is a complete distraction. Whoever approved this and let it through QC needs to be fired, along with the MUA.

My goodness what a great show. Pond really, and I mean really carried this series, but everyone did and amazing job. Even Phuwin, who I have had mixed feelings on his previous work before. Kissing is my biggest complaint with him, and was going to be still in the first kisses, but then either Pond took over, they really worked the camera angles or Phuwin listened to past criticism. It was better, not perfect, but better. It also wasn't as romantic, from Peach's side as it could have been. All the effort that Thee put in, I would have like to see Peach melt at least one time. Or at least, once they started dating, not push Thee away every time he initiated intimacy, especially in public. I'm not asking for much, just reciprocating Thee''s affection. Even if it was a simple kiss when they were saying goodbye. Who doesn't go in for kiss goodbye when leaving their partner. Even if they had showed Peach going in for a kiss, but then getting shy because Mhok was there, it would have been cool to see.
But overall, this was a really great series. Well written and directed and acted. It was cringe in the best possible way, and I loved every moment of Thee being himself. Did I get why his parents dressed exclusively as 1920's gangster and his moll? Absolutely not. But it was on brand for is wacky family. I was a bit disappointed that the Mom didn't go all out in a 20's outfit for the wedding. But the biggest disappointment was Peaches quarter zip to his own wedding. Even if he wanted to be casual, a simple button down would have been better. He looked he was going to work from home at a cafe than getting married.
Anyway, Thee was my favorite, second to Est and then William. I'm a complete sucker for William's soft voice. Put him in a scene with Est and their soft way of speaking is my kryptonite. Add in mischievous/flirty William. I'm cooked.
Pond's performance as Thee deserves all the attention it is getting. I have always felt he was the better actor in the pair, but this definitely proves it. I have not a single thing to mention about this role and his acting in it.
I don't know if this goes into my rewatch rotation, but I had a great time watching this and I'm sad it's done now. Glad to hear we will get more of them.

I see everyone blaming IF for the problems with this show, but this feels more like a director/screen writer issue. This should have been written to reflex how many episodes it had to tell the story. I'll admit that production may play a role, but mostly, this story was too big for the time allotted. So they should have cut like at least two story lines. Sophee by herself is already a big enough antagonist, we didn't need the political stuff. Or if we kept the political stuff, then the whole terrible professor who was trying to SA Kaew storyline was unnecessary, along with the showing Yai's powers and stuff. Unless that comes back later, that his powers save the day...
I am still enjoying this story and especially BillyBabe, I think they are doing the best they can with what they were given. But I'll admit, this could have been so much better.
What is working for me, is the romance between Yai and Kaewta. The angst and longing for each other are there. They are so in love with one another, Kaew has forgotten about his best friend's disappearance (I asked the whole episode, what happened to Ruedee!?) They both have forgotten that they are both men in a world and society that will absolute not let them just move in together and spend the rest of their lives together. They are just pursuing happiness together, and there fore when Sophee, Dad and Brother come into play, it will be gut wrenching. Billy and Babe are amazing at that lovers separated by time and circumstances trope. I do hope, with all the company problems going on they find work and/or another company that takes good care of them and also gives them another series, maybe a comedy next time.
Another thing working for me is Sophee as the villain. The actresses performance is immaculate as she is cute behind the scenes, but on screen, every look she gives, every sentence she says, you hate her. I even felt briefly sorry for her when she asked Yai why couldn't he love her. But then she threw a fit and turned back evil, so we are back to hating her.
Last thing working for me is the clothes. I love a period piece and the clothes in this series are lovely.
I still cannot see how they are going to end it with a MILLION questions left to answer, unless the last episode is at least 1 hour 30 minutes to 2 hours. But the teaser for next week looks like we are getting a jam packed episode. I cannot wait to see how they wrap this up.

I like this. Thank you, I think you are right. I'm going to keep that in mind and rewatch.

Thank you! I appreciate it!

Love this take! And I think you are right. As I was reading this, I realize I also want to see more of Koh and Pheem's dynamic before Jira came into play. Why are they so tied together, yet don't seem to really like each other? I hope the series shows us a bit of their beginning to understand how that all influences what is happening with Jira.

It would definitely explain why his reactions are all over the place. I'll admit, though, with that being a possible reason for his behavior, I would have liked to see more of him struggling internally about the "WHY" Jira. Maybe even some resistance to Jira initially because it IS so against his character and he feels anxious about those feeling. But as I'm typing them out, I guess they have kind of shown all those things, just in a kind of chaotic way. But that is very much on brand for the theme of this series.

I definitely agree that the difference in the paintings of each men varied so much. I cannot wait to see the final product of the one he does of Pheem at the rage room, because, 1) he completed it and 2) I really want to compare this latest one with the ones he as done for Koh and see how visually different they will be. Koh's paintings have such romantic sweeping gestures being used, while Pheem's had such violent strokes and erasure/blacking out of the picture.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense...yet. I'm really hopeful they will explain it. Because Pheem doesn't seem the type to get obsessive, so I'm really hoping they explain, why Jira?

This complicated mess of a show is perfection! We are simply not talking enough about Off's acting in this series. He goes from cold and calculating to slyly manipulative to smug bastard, to sexy waif to vulnerable kitten, to shy puppy. And he uses all of that to get what he wants. I LOVE what Nuchy pulls out of Off when she directs him. Somehow I feel like they way this has been directed, I feel for him the same way Jira does. I equally hate him, but am drawn to him. I want him to go away but also, I want to see what he will do next. I feel sorry for him and at the same time, I want bitch slap him. I get Jira's conflict here. Off is playing the HELL out of this character. Honestly, they all are. Dew and Gun's scene in the rage room was a visual masterpiece! Dew really smashing things while Gun is sitting there with no protective gear, it looks like real fear and rage. The colors, the framing! Ah the cinematography of that shot! This deserves awards, I really hope they get at least one or two.
The only thing I'll quibble about, is Pheem's feelings for Jira. Why is he so obsessed with him, so fast and so much? Why is he "in love" with someone, he barely knows? They have barely had any interactions, and very few of them with any sort of meaningful impact outside of sexual attraction. I mean, he even slept with someone else immediately after being vaguely disappointed with Jira. I would argue that Koh and Jira have had more meaningful interactions from both sides. I am anxious to know if that gets address in the show. That Pheem doesn't really like Jira but was maybe looking for something like what Koh and Jira have, a relationship that is based on a deeper emotional tie, that defies logic. Idk, but I hope they address it.
This is definitely not a BL. I'm not sure what genre I would put this in, but I'm not rooting for any of them to "get together". I'm excited to see where this show goes and how they are going to leave everything in the end.

This show is about a basket full of deplorables except Kad/Teh (and who knows if he will eventually end up one, once he finds out what everyone else is up to). I do feel sorry for him, cause he is surrounded by just some of the worst people. This is definitely one of those shows were you don't really root for anyone, you just stay to watch the train wreck get cleaned up. Sometimes you need a good hot mess to cleanse the pallet. This is that show. NOTHING sweet about this one!

Much like Only Boo, I really love SeaKeen's chemistry. I believe what they are selling. Same for the other couple, new pair, SurfJava. They have great chemistry. I liked the story line, it was new and interesting. And they resolved the why he was able to see the future well. Now on to the problems I had with this series. 1) As much chemistry as SeaKeen have, they are still giving us sip kisses. Not dead fish kisses, but sip kisses, where they do press their lips together properly, but don't open their mouths. In fact, it's like they tuck their lips inward, like they are sipping from a straw, instead of pursing their lips in a realistic kiss. But I'll write that off, as this is a GMMTV series and that is pretty typical of this company, especially in a pairing that doesn't have alot of series together and are young. I can only hope as they age, they get better at kissing, and the intimacy scenes (which were also lame) as they get older. Moving on to the next two biggest problems with this series, for me. 2) What do you mean the father valued his acting career more than the safety, and care and keeping of his family and was able to come back with a never mind, it's all good?! Jinn literally exploded with rage, a valid emotion based on the flashback scene of him denying his son in front of some dude, every time they talked about his father. All of the flashbacks of the accident was based on how angry, justifiably so, with his father and his mother for bringing him back into their lives and not explaining all those years. It just was a plot point that irritated me soo much. And it used to be, "well, it's a cultural thing." But now the story line with Farm's family and not having contact exist, so there was literally no reason for Farm to forgive his parents so easily. The dad's excuse doesn't justify abandoning his family for his career. He could have snuck and seen them, even if it was just once or twice a year, if his excuse of fans being the problem was a thing. And why didn't the mother explain all these years. What could possibly be the reason to not say, your dad loves you and is doing this to protect us. And one day, he will come back to the family. It just was annoying. Finally, 3) Van and Farm. Like I said I liked the pairing. And I even liked the friends to lovers. But once they had the story line of Van not really liking Farm or at least not knowing his feelings, but wanting to keep Farm to not be alone, it went down hill from there. I am not opposed to the story line. But what they did with it is where they lost me. I like that Farm back away. But I needed to see him go try and be with some one else. At the very least, have one or two other friends outside of the friend group. Maybe before Van asked Farm to date, they could have had a close friend of Farm, who Van was jealous of, but didn't know why. So then, when Farm breaks up with Van, and he turns to this friend, this would be the catalyst to Van realizing why he asked Farm out, and that all this time, he did truly love Farm. So that when he said all that in the packing scene where he cried (btw, good piece of acting there), when Farm forgives him it would based on SOMETHING! Farm giving in and going back with Van with out Van making some atonement and/or some big grand gesture to get him back just annoyed me. Van wasn't the greatest personality, so I personally needed more from their story. I also really disliked Farm seemingly being a strong individual, but then crumbling at the first pitiful look from Van.
Outside of these three problems I had a great time. Mai was the best character though. His comedic timing was a highlight of the show for me.
One other tiny thing I felt the show should have included, was Jerome's feelings after Jinn confessed at 7. Like maybe feeling sorry he teased him, because now he was getting bullied. Or at least him realizing after he saw the confession in the book, in flash back form, that all the teasing, antagonizing and stealing his crushes, all came from him liking Jinn all this time. It would have made the reason they were always at war make better sense, at least to me.

I'm struggling to see how they are going to be able to tell all rest of the story that was shown in the trailer and in flashbacks...with 2 episodes left. I actually love this story, but this series should have been as long as To Sir, With Love (17 episodes), to tell the whole whole story. With the appearance of the new Khun Yai, and not knowing what Sophee did in the past let alone the future...there are way to many questions for 2 more episodes, unless each episode 2 hours long. And that makes me sad for the cast, especially BillyBabe. They all are super talented, but they are dealing with company troubles along with haters attacking them online repeatedly. Not having a successful show when the potential for one is just the pits.

Off Jumpol playing yet another jerk should be boring...but nope, he has never been hotter. Off has mastered the "love to hate them" roles. I especially love this character Koh, because he is soo complicated. How he is equal parts evil mastermind and soft puppy, I'll never know, but he has me sat and seated. Dew/Pheem being obsessed with Jira, but not in love, because he definitely slept with someone else because he couldn't with Jira is fascinating as well.
Gun/Jira is stuck between wants vs. needs/head vs. heart. I think on paper, Pheem is who he should want, who he wants to want. But Koh is who he responds to, who his interest lies. Too often, people fall for the person who is going to cause them the most trouble, and Koh is very much giving, "Jira is going to regret this."
I don't think this is a BL, cause I cannot see how anyone ends up with anyone. But I felt the same way about Only Friends and somehow, they ended up with most of the pairs intact. I cannot wait to see how this all turns out, especially with only 4 episodes left. Nuchey is a top tier director and this is definitely going into one of my favorite messy, toxic dramas.

This had good parts and annoying parts. It was okay, but I don't think I would watch this again. The MLs barely had any chemistry. They could act, so it saved it. Ja is hot, so there is that. But the kisses weren't great, the NC scenes tried to be intense, but they very much gave actors who are going through the motions of a NC scene, so again, meh. I liked the GL pairing, they were cute! The other BL pairing had all the potential in the world, but Mud was an annoying character who was so self centered. And even when Book pointed that out, in the end, they still had his character apologize...when he did nothing wrong. I hated that the primary one wrong was Mud, but Book was the one who got lectured by his friends to change. WTF. They had good chemistry. I wish their NC scenes were longer like the ML. So I loved the finished movie and the concept. The only thing I would have changed about the ending was the Dad killing himself. I think it would have been better if Seen had to come back because his dad could not afford to keep him there. But because he was back the Dad blamed his being gay on why they were poor and maybe both parents wish he wasn't born or there or something. Then the character that Saint plays comes back and takes Seen away from the parents. They have the beach scenes the way they were, including him going back to get his stuff to run away. But instead of the mother threatening to kill herself, she also expresses her disgust at having a gay son and basically telling him that he is no longer her son. So that when he comes back and sees Seen dead, he feels as if he doesn't have any other choice but to follow Seen. Then they show the parents facing the repercussions of their hateful words. Maybe the community starts treating them differently, the kids who bullied them start feeling some type of way about them killing themselves. It just would have been nice to see what happens to the people left after someone kills themselves.
The other thing I would have changed would be how quickly both Saint and Ice forgave their terrible, no good parents. It would have been nice to see those parents suffer a little bit more for their actions.
The last thing that pissed me off and was so unnecessary to the story was Ice and Saint asking Warm to be apart a of their company. I'm all for Ice apologizing for his part in their failed relationship, but that could have been done in a quick one liner as Warm was being taken away to prison. Having him come back into their lives and helping him was just...eeeeeyuck!
If this had come out 5 years ago, it would have been amazing. But there are just too many shows now, and my tolerance for mid is decreasing steadily. And this was a just above mid show. The acting was mostly good, and most of the story was good too. But no chemistry between the ML is not it any more.

1000% agree with you!