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Well people have different expectation and different way of seeing the drama...also what interestinh for some might not be the case for others....

I have many issues with the drama too,..i lost my initial impression of this and there's time when i felt cheated on by the twists and disappointed even lol...but not to the point I want to drop this...because there are things in the drama too that keeps me interested and wanting to see to which end the writer will bring us to.

So yea, some might have dropped this...it's their call...the ones who still watching this...let's enjoy the few last rides.

It could be BR's uncle? Like he appeared out of nowhere as an uncle...like he just appear twice this far...why bother adding an uncle out of nowhere if BR could manage with the aunt? It could also be that detective Lee, it's more plausible him because he's in the same environment as BR...that he could watch over him or helping him easily.

She was encouraged by CHJ to come out of her shell. To have a dream and do something about it . Then CHJ invited her to join her as a starter. She was hesitant about it first and we are shown that she was thinking about it and decide to take the invitation because she couldn't do anything else at the moment, she didn't have qualifications for job as she didn't even graduate. Now considering her background, and the peoole around her, it's only logical that she'll be interested in doing what they do also. Having said that, I agree with you that she shouldn't be dragged into this by CHJ (or the writer)...why can't they give her a break? And let her seeing the world outside the environment she was in? Like getting back to highschool and live a normal highschool life? Make use of her hobby or even finding new hobby? KMC is more sensible than CHJ, he was furious knowing CHJ dragged her into her work...though we can't blame KMC too for BY relationship with BR...all he knows that BR is the closest person to BY and taking care of her in her granny's place, like DL thougth HSJ really loved SJE by what he saw, the same with MC, he saw BR really care for BY and he thought BR was jealous when he was being close to BY, all he wanted is for BY to be happy and lead a happy life. While CHJ, inspite of her good intent, she's not doing her any good by letting her doing what she's doing...she wanted BY to find out herself who BR is I think by letting her learn to investigate things...but she kept things also from her...she didn't have the guts to tell BY that YJ was her lover and that it was her that helping creating the current BR. If later BR revealed to be the SK all along, I can't imagine what will make BY feel about the world and people. This is crazy...indeed...

I couldn't agree more witht the fact that as we go more than half way now, instead of untangling whats needed to be untangled, the writers just keep going deeper to a point you can't tell what's the main story here actually....

I only wacthed Black up to ep 5 back then and when I want to watch it again, I was interested in different drama, I also read the reviews and comments about how the ending of Black also unsatisfactory to some because she seemed not being able to wrapped it up properly, but to some others the ending was satisfactory or expected. I usually don't make judgment by reading reviews or comments before watching it myself and having my own opinion, but I am one for solid story and reasonable twists. I don't mind cliffhanger ending or tragic ending as long as it is the proper ending for a story.

This drama started off very thrilling and intense but then becoming frustrating at times...not about the acting but the story...the repetitive. You don't get surprise anymore with twists because you know there will be one or two every time....so it's expected....even the thrill now isn't as thrilling as in early episodes...you just get used to it now...so that's why I said too many twists could ruin a good story too...because it is expected and even it might manage to shock or to make you thrill...there's nothing more to it than just that.

But well everyone has different taste, expectation and opinion...so even I completely agree with you on many points,...other people might have different opinions and seeing it differently. I'm still here because of the acting and I'm curious enough to know what will be the end of KMC, BY and HJ....as for BR, we don't even need to guess about it.


So let's see how 7 episodes will do....

Writer is trying so hard to make something new, a kind of new genre maybe..i think this story/drama itself is writer's own personal experiment to make possible what is impossible in real world. She tried to make it as realistic as possible.

And her trick to keep people interested in or invested in the drama of course the twists, the shocking element and how things aren't the way we see it. Hints presented clearly but they don't serve as something to lead you somewhere in the story, the hints only there for the sake of the twists...like yea you guess this and that to be dumbfounded by how the things turn.
Like how many comments it took just to guess whether JH is BR or YH, they both have all the bits and pieces on them. And it's weighing toward BR now, but seriously it took like how many episodes to get a clear direction? Hints are presented following its relevance in the flow of the episodes yet there's no need to make everything from character to the story so convoluted and one after another overlapping...now viewers are left with what the heck is happening actually? Who is who?which is which? And whatnot.

Imo viewers have too high expectation since due to the intensity in early episodes...and many are still in this because it still make you feel the thrill and the acting and the twists...i don't think it doesn't matter anymore where the story lead us to for some....as long as it keeps giving you the thrill and keeps poking at your curiousity.

I like complicated story but I don't like feeling I'm being cheated on or feeling like I'm being played a fool...because yes I do put my thoughts into this thinking this drama is engaging, like you can really go with the writer's flow of thoughts...you can be lost sometimes too but somehow you can manage to find your way back and of all things you can make sense the story...you can fathom it and comprehend it.

I felt being cheated on in ep 10. Like they introduced new character that it hinted very briefly in ep 1...like during all the flow we've been wondering who was the woman and why she gave him the hair sample...i know for the sake of relevance it was put in ep 1 because DL character was to be killed off...but why the need to cut the scene when the woman indeed present in the conversation scene between the two pregnant women. It feels like writer wants to give us a hiny but she doesn't want us to have a good guess...like the right to untangled the convoluted stroy is her job...we are just to watch and be content with whatever the drama is making us feel.

So as a first try this is not as bad as we might think because 7 eps left are enough time to let viewers see through it all...but in general this drama has nothing new to offer but excellent acting of the actors/actresses. The story might be new of its kind but it's not that special...it still interesting but it's not as impressive any more...what left for me is my curiosity of how the writer will u tangled the tangled story and how will it end......I think if she's able to make this, then she'll be able to explain it all...and it's up to each of the viewers to decided whether the story is good or not...

Detective shin because he's the son of the his father who dropped the bill, so his mom probably also being tested because his father has disappointed the incumbent president at the time also that presidential secretary saying something quite bothering, because there's no need to go that far saying "you stole your son'w future of world without war or crime" -something like that...the lady was really suspicious....

Though detective Shin looked like he's all nice qnd cute and even when P.O himself saying his character here is to help other detectives, he jusr do what he supposed to do as a support role.
Though it isn't impossible but it's just uncommon also for only son of the family whose presence was expected by his high profile parents for 10 years, who live a spoiled live (yes he wears every thing branded and boasted about it) yet he worked as a low rank police detective, involving his own gf in dangerous situation (they suspecting YH as a child abductor and also a sk killer, as detectives who seemed pretty much abide by the rules, he let himself comply to MC's demand and using his gf as a bait? Even if he and mc were there as back up, and she only had to create a situatuon with YH...YH was a neurosurgeon and he's quick with his hand too...like the girl would be in a serious danger if YH was indeed a sk...maybe he'll not kill her right there but he could at other time...so knowing all that no bf in right mind would do that even when the gf is willing...except the gf is somone like HJ lol, besides BY's granny, only him and MC who knows about YH's friend, and only him who ever see him face to face too, and he was ordered by MC to do things like back ground checking and all...so he probably know where he lives too., so he was the first to find his body and he was also there when YH went to hospital to see his friend's bod, though we can't really read what's on his face, but YH looked like he regretted or sad about his friend, later on he began to be curious also with BR.

But well that's just personal opinion....he might be just a nice and cute detective after all.


And the other detective Lee, he's behaviour is just suspicious, he also fit someone who hid in the plain sight. But for now we don't have anything to suggest him as a sk though...but he could be an accomplice maybe?

For all we know someone is helping DL and BR in cleaning up after BR's murder....and putting the evidence (BY's granny brooch and priest family pendant), both evidence was taken from the victims and now appeared in a murder after BR's surgery, the murder was probably done by that lawyer, someone putting the things there like to awaken BR's memory of something...or maybe BR just imagining all that?

But it could be nothing too...

Yea, associating children with murder (have potential to become a murderer) due to inherited gen is too far fetched...like someone's life is not just depending on his/ her genetic trait alone...there are various factors shaping a person.

I have no problem with the background story...that we can identify a psychopath in advance by genetic test...but the question should not stop at that...because this story is about grown up psychopath predator.

What should be done if the result is the baby is pyschopath? DL stop at that and then appear again when the babies already all grown up and either one or two becoming predator.

HJ must have good reason to keep the baby or she might need no reason at all, but a motherly instinct. So if they will make the baby also inherited the psychopathic to the point they too will be like their parent with psychopathic trait...it would be super nonsense...

But I don't think that's what the writer wants to do here...I think she pretty much will stick with her goal...not so much about the descendants of the characters.

If there will be offspring of BR too along with HJ'a child I think the writer will go with them having good environment to grow up in. It will be too cruel and will be problematic to implying that a child will exactly be like either one of the parent...a child is a mix of two...it can't be exactly like a father nor a mother...that's make no sense that a child will be exactly like the father only since this drama supposed to be a realistic fiction.

It would be very disappointed if she ventures on that as well as if the main story itself isn't convoluted enough.. smh.

And that lawyer killer's father...it's not genetic...it's just parental loves go wrong i think....

Let's hope for the best...

Yes I agree with you on that. Either someone else is the sk or there's an accomplice.

But I still have some doubts too about BR is JH.

It is plausible about DL impliying that HH's son is predator...HH himself is not a predator to begin with...he's a genius...he might be a psychopath by his aggresive ambition to prove himself as someone superior than other. He killed his patients back in UK for experimenting with them, and then in Korea for the same reason...he only started to kill peoole for his experiments when his experiement with mices couldn't reach a breakthrough he expected...that's when his psychpathy kicks in. And I think the same thing happened with his son JH. JH is psychopathic by nature and his environment is nurturing him to be what he is later on.

YH in the other side couldn't be a predator...nor psychopath...because psychopath by nature couldn't register to fear or anxiety (in male), they are aggresive by nature too...so YH wouldn't let himself be bullied if he's a psychopath and he wouldn't try to commit suicide too. A trigger for psychopath usually something external...outside themselves. Or if he's a psychopath killer he would fake it to be weak and easy target to let others to bully him so they can trigger him to murder them later on or faking to commit suicide knowing someone else will save him to gain trust or sympathy from others...so they can hide well. Buy in all YH didn't show any obviois trait of a psychopath...he didn't pretend to be cold and reserved...psychopath like to socialise with people because they can hide well and manipulating others...it gives them pleasure. They also can be very charming and charismaric. BR in the other hand has all the obvious traits but being pyschopath doesn't necessarily mean you are a predator. If we are to associate BR with the 7 sins killer, except he has accomplice he couldn't be doing the all the killing in a very short amount of time while doing his duty ad police officer.

DL in the other hand definitely is up to something too with his experiment regardless of his goal to exterminate evil...his approach on that seems very suspicious....

KMC definitely not a psychopath, no dna test need to prove that lol...but there are other detectives there too...

But as said by KMC that toothbrush is evidence of a case...how BR figure out that the toothbrush belong to LJS isn't clear yet...maybe he from sneak reading case files MC has on the table etc....

But yea...KMC has no predator dna in him...the only similar trait to psychopatic trait he has is his inability to control his rage at times...other than that he's just KMC ;-)

It reminds me of the question...which one is more important betwen the result and the process?
Thr writer surely has a good intention and from what everyone is saying and from what I read too...that this drama is based on actual murder case in 2017 and as the convicted killer show no remorse in response to the question of the mother of the victim, it's really shocked the country. So writer here wanted to make her own experiment through the story...to make a killer what it likes to feel remorse, how it feels to be tormented by guilt, how to empathisize and understand other's people pain as the killer experience it all at once with his other feelings....and her experiment is using that genetic and brain science...to make the impossible possible. So the goal is clear...but yes I found it very problematic with the process of to get to that goal.

Like how many ethical questions were being put aside in regard to organ transplant. Yes, she made the "bad" people to do it, the people who disregard the ethics just to achieve their goals...but it just not happened once...or twice...but amost every time. Like there are no people who really uphold the law and ethics here...and the people who should are either portrayed as incompetent or corrupt or psycho and whatnot.

The police...most of detectives here portrayed like errand boys...and the competent one is trouble maker, always have conflict of interest, and they basically clear him up from any misconduct issue at disciplinary hearings...even when he admitted to a misconduct...just because he killed a sk? He didn't even get punished or investigated by internal affairs when he let a suspect commit suicide in front of his face, or when he deliberately told a suspect to run away so he can shot him dead. It's problematic because the character supposed to be a justice seeking person. Why bother making MC as a police detective who supposed to seek justice by the law if he acted like a gangster inspite his sense lf justice and his ability to conduct a thorough investigation. And it hurts so much to watch even when his brother pleaded with him in his last minutes of life...KMC is still driven by revenge and "always ready to kill a criminal with his own judgment"...why bother making the priest character here if his presence only give very little value to other characters...like he's just there to accept everyone complaining about his God and his faith and then to be sacrificed too by a sk.

And then CHJ and then BY. BY as much I could relate to her character...she literally has murderous intent in her...she literally get away with attempt murder of YH...it is understandable motive she had but the way she felt no remorse ot even guilt of that also problematic...killing a person is not an easy thing no matter how firm our wish to kill someone...if we're not a killer.

And the politician lady...and DL and HH himself and of course YH's mom..she kept lamenting about sin and stuff but still kept her mouth shut. And the most concerning is what you worry about...the associating children of murderers with murderers...though the writer might want to prove the other way round with the child of HJ and other woman involved herr...still BR or YH was associated with murderer parent even before they were born (it's either one of them the son of HH) and the issue with genetic test too...like writer presented good ethical argument when the assembly had a hearing for that prenatal psycho gen test bill...like you can't terminate a pregnancy even when the result is 99% the gen result a baby will be born is psychopathic...it's the only scene the ethical issues are brought up...and how that chairman struggle in making his own personal decision.....it's not only bring up moral or ethic arguments but also political one...since if the bill is passed it could be used by the government as a weapon to control the people..to control the mass against their rights to have their own choices. So it's the only scene we see the drama discuss about those things so far...afterward we only see character driven by revenge, driven by politicz, driven by painful past, driven by guilt in the past, driven by denial...etc. Not to mention it is not correct to use the term psychopath independently to identify a person to be a murderer or to point to murder. Because psychopathy is a spectrum, we all might be somewhere on there on the spectrum. And pyschopath doesn't mean a person is a murderer though most of sk are psychopath. So even a child born with pyschopathic gene doesn't necessarily make the baby will grow up a murderer. Environment play a key role in genetic modification. So even a baby is natural born psychopath he/she could be nurtured by the environment to become either criminal or a law abiding citizen. Environment play pivotal role in shaping ourselves too because it could inflience our genetic reaction. This is important in early age of a psychopathic child. But in this drama DL only did those test on the pregnant women but stop at that because the bill was dropped? He then came back when the babies all grown up to make an experiment on them? That's sounds like a non sense to me. HH is better scientist than DL in that regard...he keeps on going until he reached his conclusive result of his experiment. Whilr DL left the new single mothers alone confusing and without a slightest idea of how to raise a psychopathic baby. If he would conduct an experiment to make a psychopath has good control of themselves...it should be conducted in early years of their lives not when they already a grown up person. So associating the babies with potential as a murderer also concerning. Then jump from genetic to religion...like it is not enough the genetic to be blamed for someone to become a pyschopathic murder...apparently here God also at fault for not answering their sincere prayer...then to brain transplant...

So idk how writer will achieve her 'fair justice' as a goal...every main leads are victims but aleo perpetrator....so they will all will suffer the remorse and guilt...but BR if he's the real sk back then and now he's a chanhed psycho killer...wharever remorse or guilt is not due to him..because he was made to be like that against his will...so it isn't something he naturaly has in him..it something forced into him....but I still have hope that writer will have that plausible and reasonable explanation on all the issues and questions arisen from her story....

Still want to see to what end this dram will lead us to....

Yes, the clues are here and there from the very start, and they are clear as in how they are presented but became vague as we process them in our mind...of course it is to keep our curiousity going. And I think the writer tried to plant the clues in certain way following the relevance and the flow of the drama, still those clues are not serving as a way to engage with viewers to follow the lead as what clues/hints are for....everytime you guess something sometimes if jot many times there are questions to follow...doubts..unconclusive thoughs...sometimes the direction is clear but then when you follow it, it turns to the other direction. Funny how people sure but not sure if BR is JH...or YH...like up to now even the general view point to BR as JH...but we still not a 100% sure...not even 99 % sure...like there are only two persons in the discussion lol....

And I've been wondering about it too...I've commented about it down there somewhere too...like if BR is the SK...how time efficient he is...like he literally could kill and stage his murder in such short amount of time, not to mention when he the kidnapping happe ed, he was wearing cast on his leg....he was hit by a car in the chase and struggle with YH, was hospitised when the boy was kidnapped...he then thrown himself toward the bike in order to stop him from running away...and went here and there following MC's direction...how come he managed to change clothes, open the cast and kill the priest and staged him and fight with BY and then changed and put back the cast and then stop a taxi and go back to the crime scene without a drop of sweat...and he smelled the same mint scent...and YH was there too...even if the writer try to make sense of it (if it's true that BR ie the killer) BR should be one of the most time efficient and skilled sk there is..and that's make very little sense....

And about the finger in the wine cup of the priest...how he managed to put it there...I'm not a Catholic but I grew up among the Catholics...as far as I understand the mass rite (which I attended to sometimes in highschool as part of school choir service) in my place...the wine for mass come from Vatican and stored in kind of small golden/metal vault...and when it's about to be used in mass...the priest must pour it in the cup himself.....so impossible to not know if there's a finger in the cup...or even if it's in the bottle/jar how come the priest didn't notice there's something in it...so idk how the writer doing that...she either has no knowledge how Catholic priest do their preparation of the mass or she just use that as a more convenient way. As a Christian too I found lots of times Kdramas especially this kind of dramas using bible verses conveniently as "murderer" pretext of murder...in this show itself...how convenient making JH and also BY to be bitter against God because God doesn't answer their innocent prayer...this is a wrong portrayal of God...even it is not the point of the drama but I really have problem comprehending how the writer conveniently using religious pretexts...of course in reality some psychopaths showing a perverted fanatism to a religious view also perverted the verses of religious texts...but at least the writer should know what they are using in the writing of the script....

I wonder if you never went to church and then someday you just decided to go to church and then pray there asking God to answer your prayer and when you don't get your wish you become a killer? Like God is not someone you can ask whatever you want and expect him to give it all to you or else you'll be a naughty child. And prayer is not about asking God for things too...it's just idk....that Bible verse about vengeance it is also taken out of its context...the law is not always an indendent law...so when you read it, you also need to look at other laws that regulate in which circumstance a life can be taken according...tooth for tooth...life for life can't be happening without the court (of elders or high priest) to make a judgement on that..and when there is court...you need witnesses (minumum 2/3 witnesses and also evidence to prove your case), and then if it is proven that a life has been taken intentionally then the court will decide on which way the punishment to be carried out...a person is never to take the law into his/her own hand by his own judgement - but we always see these bible verses being used so conventiently by the writers to create a murderer with some religious pervertion yet there's no show of how the person live his religious life..and how they found certain verse to be used as pretext? Lol this is out of the topic but yea I just need to address it too...

Even the use of brain transplant...it is because the writer wanted to make her story as realistic as possible so she use brain transplant and that genetic test because both have scientific basis...even in real life it's not achieved yet, but theoriticaly possible. Why brain transplant because realistically it is impossible to change a grown man with psychopathic trait...you can't change them with psychotherapy or with medicines...you can help them to have temporary control on certain issues but you just can't change their personaly. It's impossible so the convenient way is to use brain transplant and also that genetic experiements...because our personality basically formed in our brain and so are all our thoughts and emotions...

I don't think those are ridiculous things thougj...i mean writer wants to show there's a fight in BR's brain...his own brain working hard to take control but the other want to overtaking him
..but he's able to redirect his attack on other things means as DL his brain can still suppressed his urge to kill by reminding him who is the person in front of him...so he could redirect his urge to something else....for me the problem here is not the plot but the dynamic and how the story is convoluted...tangled here and there...at face value it seems like everything is clear and make sense but then when you think of it...it's not what it seems...

But I think if the writer is able to create such a storyline, then she'll be able to untangled and put the pieces as one piece of a story. Then it depends on viewers to make their own judgment whether the story is good or not...and wheter it is satisfactory or not...because every one has different opinion and expectation....

Yea, but KMC said that tootbrush belong to different case, not Lee Jae Shik's case, while BR initally thought it's KMC's since he took it from his deskt. Remember DL asked him if he'll going to kill the owner of the toothbrush? I think he meant someone in the police force is a psychopath.

I think it's bad editing caused the mixed scenes we can't tell which is which...of all episodes ep 13 is a total mess in editing. I could be wrong though...it just how BR knew it belong to that man?

The strangest thing of all is...if she gave up her son to be adopted. I just can't understand why she would even have another child to raise? Why bo letting another child to grow up with the guilt feeling of being a son of HH (YH lived knowing himself to be the son of HH)? Why should she?if she let her son for adoption then she should content to live by herself why drag another child into her life like that? YH was bullied as a son of HH to the point he was about to commit suicide if it not were for HJ, he would have died back then jumping off hospital window (he was hospitalised after being saved by BR and his friends). Like poor YH if he isn't the son of HH and SJE, that he had to go through all hell and even ended up dead because other people made the decision for his life.

His mother that he knew isn't his mom, and she fed up him with story that he is the son of HH? Why she even bother change her name? She still live in the place where people know her as SJE, even after 20 years DL can still find her, KMC can still find her, even BY can still find her (though BY doesn't know she was HH's wife and YH's mom, and so did MC, he only found it out when he visited her house).

So what's the writer is really up to by convoluting the identity of JH? After brain surgery, we are to be shocked again with the identity of JH, is it BR or YH? How BR is JH and how YH ended up with SJE as her and HH's son?

Or should we take it as it is presented by the drama, that YH is indeed the son of HH and SJE? Now, one of the boy should be YH...either JH or the other boy. It said that JH wanted to be like the boy, and he want to be the boy, the only explanation for that is for him to kill the boy and take over his identity?that would be too much of a crazy story lol.

Because if thr other boy is YH as a boy and JH want to copied the boy, how come they have totally different personality as grown ups? YH couldn't be copying JH too right? Now YH's cold look is exactly like JH, he doesn't like to be around people exactly like YH, as a child he killed the animals to channel his anger & frustration (now this fits BR) but he also do that out of curiousity as he wanted to be a doctor one day, YH was a doctor and if BR is JH he couldn't be dropping his dream of being a doctor - pychopath always know what they want and they want to be the best of that (YH was the youngest neurosurgeon in SK in this drama), how that nice and kind boy (if he was a young YH) turned out to be cold and reserved person?

So the other boy couldn't be young YH and he couldn't be young BR as well if BR is JH. The boy should be someone else if JH is to copy the boy....

Or something else happened to them as children?

I feel like the JH's identity now should at least be dealt with since there are so many other questions that also need answers...usually I would say I can't wait (exciting tone) but as the weeks go by it become how long the wait (impatient) lol....this supposed to be fast paced but the revelation and answers to questions are very slow....and I'm worried that only 7 eps left could writer within the 7 episodes untangled everything qnd wrapped it up with proper ending?

CHJ is still a puzzling character...we know now she's detective Park daughter now, but she wouldn't let her parents know that she's still alive. Though it is understandable that she might not want HH to know that she's alive and she's also still burdened by her guilt toward the girl, and she's trying to fulfill the girl's dream on her behalf. She felt responsible to cacth the criminals especually killers or serial killers. I felt annoyed by her at first at how he kept bothering MC, she's like female version of MC lol minus all the use of violence and rude words lol. But I began to feel for her as well. Remember what she replied to MC when they were talking in the car to the crime scene of the boxer. She said it's her responsibility to solve the case because now the mother has lost her children (first the daughter and now the son) to sk. She must have a tough life too. And wanting to right the wrong.

But then, the puzzling things she did.
- imo when she went to search the bandaid she saw in YH's study, she must have seen the envelope YH hides in between the stacks of paper. Because later YH was so worried if she found the envelope he then took it and put it somewhere else. I don't understand why she had a change of mind all of sudden toward YH, even when YH told her to wait til next day for him to explain everything to her. She seemed to agree to it half heartedly. And that day never happened because the turning of events for YH. And also the bandaid proved to contained BY's granny's blood. I mean that is not even a concrete evidence to accuse him as a murderer. It's circumstancial evidence that proves BY's granny was in his house before. But how she's convinced that YH was just like his father? Just because she felt guilty towards MC for hiding the fact that she knew YH as HH's son and even has a special relationship with him. She lost her trust towards YH pretty quickly and not using her "investigative" sense in dealing with it. She just bought MC's words at face value that YH is a sk and child kidnapper? I mean something just doesn't add up with that. She then had her conviction when seeing how severe BR was wounded by YH. But it isn't clear yet how they ended up like that. I mean YH literally will beat BR to pulp and he didn't even fight him back being a police officer...how strange that is. And how precise YH hit BR on his frontal and temporal lobe. I mean she at least know YH more than anyone else.. she should at least give him the benefit of the doubt. Waiting until he's able to give her explanation as he promised her.

It is also a bit strange when she was looking at YH's hospital bed and said all the things in her mind. The last line she said about the best thing she dan do for him....I think she planned it to have YH paid what he did to BR by giving his brain to BR? The chance she meant for YH is to donate his brain to BR? And forced YH's dad to do that to his own son? Because he's the only able to fo that. I mean it's a cruel plan too...like YH was fighting for his life and everyone else making decision whether to kill or to let him live. That's cruel since there's no solid evidence yet to prove that he's a SK if we go with police investigation SOP. But everyone is making decision on his life when he's still breathing fighting for his life. Even if he's a murderer that's evil. Like why should we punished evil by doing evil ourselves? Isn't that make us as evil as him?

Then she kept that again from MC. She knows fully well that BR's life saved because of brain transplant, because she sent that video to force the politician lady to have HH do the operation. How she knew where to sent the tape?how she knew that the person would take action upon receiving the tape? Even president couldn't take such a risk especially there's criminal involved. It's like she knew the outcome of it all. And she didn't tell BR as well. She and they who involved in the surgery made their own decision disergarding the human rights of the two persons and their family. Even YH is HH's son, he has no right to give consent to take his brain away from him (the prodedure requires the brain to be taken out when the person still alive, it can't be done when he just died as the doctors said to BR. Because brain can only survive 4 minutes before being in state of failure and max 6 mins to die...how HH could open up HH's brain and keep it functioning in just minutes?it means YH probably was in vegetative state when the surgery is done on him), they need the consent of her mother who raised him, and the BR's family also must know about it...but no they all decided to disregard them and go on with the surgery as if they're doing a righteous deed.
Now CHJ began to see YH's trait in BR, she must know that this is the consequences of her decision. But she didn't seem to freak out as well. So she must have known too that BR could turn into a killer due to YH'a brain...that is why she kept silent when she found out it was BR who killed KDS.

Now BY is in the picture, she meant well for BY but not entirely genuine. Because she also kept it from her about BR and about her relationship with YH. If she's really genuine then she should be opened with BY even in a slow manner and if she felt guilty towards her too, she shouldn't encouraging her to be involved in her show.....let her find her own dream in her own way. MC is very protective of BY she knew that still she keep doing this to MC..BY has no one in this world and even she's a tough girl, she always ended up in hospital bed as a victim...how about giving her a break? It's really strange that MC is more sensible in this regard than HJ.

So after some thoughts i think this will turn out as a tragedy for everyone too. As they directly and indirectly murdering YH and creating BR (or if BR was a sk to begin with, they're saving a real sk).

I really want to sympathize with HJ's character but it's just ugh...she might meant well but what happened is the contrary. But I just hope that she can figure it out how to make up with MC and BY too. And despite they might have to go through a tragedy again...they can go through it all and lead a better life a happy life in the end.

She was watching the TV about how her party's / ruling party approval rating is plummeted due to the increasing crimes and current handling of the abduction and SK (if I remember it correctly), and every news station was airing the update on BR's and YH's critical status, while YH's surgery was a success, BR had to go through few surgeries with very little hope due to the severity of his brain injuries. BR was named national son.. basically a hero. Before catching YH as SK (as they believed) BR received citizen award along with his two friends ironically for saving YH from the bullies when they were in high school. She's a politician, all she cares is how to maintain the status quo. And stabilize the approval rating of her party and the president.
So yes she did that for political gain, she's like a right hand of the president, she indeed has such power here.

She bypassed even the president and the other institutions and managed to keep this a secret with only the few doctors and that man from prison (a warden perhaps?). Even so she didn't bent to HH's demand to be release because it's not within her power. The way she begged him and telling him it is the way for his atonement, showing she's not working with HH. She possibly working with DL. Since ep 1, it is her party/government/blue house that propose and support the bill...she called DL back from UK for the hearing, and she probably also the one who was in the car receiving the envelope from DL. When she got the report from her aide about a body was found assumed to be DL's body she didn't show any sign of concern. She indirectly blocking the news of DL case being leaked out to public. So no one in DL side (family&friends) are looking for him. DL is a renown figure, not to mention he's not Korean citizen, so him being missing in Korea would cause quite a stir. But nothing in the news at all about him means something is fishy.

So the chance of the presidential secretary to be working with DL is bigger. They both probably planned to stage his death so he could conducting his experiment covertly. Because again, he couldn't do that in the open because it would be against the law (to add DL is a foreign citizen). And see how much she keen about the psychopath genes from ep 1...looked like she herself has something in her closet. More than just political reasons...

And she definitely know that BR is a killer by her sharp look at him at the station. Like not suspecting but accusing look. Of course she already knew that would be the consequence of the surgery, even BR himself has told then if anything happened to him that's on them, their fault since he never asked for the surgery.


And haha I also has the same thought that PO could be a psycho hiding in the plain sight...because his character just seemed off...like he's the only child of the family who have been waiting for 10 years...his father is a politician but let him work as a lowrank detective while living a spoiled life? It's just doesn't seem right. And there are moments when he's the only one wasn't there...like when the live-broadcast of the abduction, yet he was the one who found the friend of YH. Now besides BY's granny, only him and MC who know about YH's friend. He definitely saw YH's expression when he came to look at his friend's body. And he was curious to know how BR could know such technical terms (medical) when they're working on the "suicide" by hanging case. He seemed interested in BR's new turn but looked like he knows nothing, but then he knew about children psychology when he explained to MC how Yu Na lied. Despite being all sweet and cute...he's suspicious lol...but everyone says it is impossible because he himself said in special episodes that he's just helping MCand others with the investigation doing his job, set aside the fact that he was one of the three known babies during the whole ordeal with psycho gen test bill...not to mention it was his father that gave a deciaive vote to drop the bill. So yeah, this all could be nothing ... or impossible...but it would be a great twist lol...because we've seen him though he's in the background his character is noticeable enough. He fits someone who hides in the plain sight. While we can sense something suspicious about BR from the start due to the exaggeration of his character's behaviour/attitude...nothing suspicious at all about P.O's character as detective Shin. So he fits the character for a major twist....moreover one of the police detective is a psychopath based on the dna from those toothbrushes...besides BR.....

Another thing is, his and his father presence in the story should have their significance too...but it seems like they're presence are just that? To fill in the scenes? Idk I think there must be more than just that.

He thought the toothbrush belong to KMC but then he remembered when he was picking up the brush rushly, the brush fell down the desk, and he took it from under the bottom drawer. Later he realised that it wasn't KMC's toothbrush but the evidence KMC is looking for. When he was looking for it KMC found his toothbrush that BR caused to fall under the drawer. Yes he was relieved that it isn't KMC's but then whose brush it then?since the dna test showing it is positive psychopath but that brush is evidence of a case that isn't a violent crime.

Indeed, plausible explanation is expected from all the convoluted characters and their stories. Except what being presented to draw general perception would be different. It has become problematic (to the point many perceived it as a mess) because the unsolved questions not dealt with within acceptable time frame, and viewers already presented with new cases/questions. And the hints aren't really clear because you can't really draw anything from the hints but questions so the guesses just go everywhere lol. Like the hints for ep 10 was placed in ep 1 very briefly, so viewers are left with who that woman is (the woman who met with DL in hotel lobby right after HSJ dropped him off) the woman gave him a hair sample...and it was explained in ep 10, with the introduction of new killer. Though it is understandable because DL's character was thrown in the back ground in ep 5, and the need to provide a pretext for new killer after BR's surgery (i.e psychopath killer), so writer need to anticipate that the hints will be relevant to the flow of the episodes, but still the hints are not to provide viewers with chance to put the piece one by one together, but to raise more questions than answers. Then in ep 10 in just one ep everything is completed with that woman character, with presentation of the complete scenes of the woman being there in hospital watching as SJE and pregnant nurse (BR's mom) were talking, and so on to explain her death and how it triggered the lawyer killer in his killing preference. It's just like that.

So no wonder many viewers felt being tricked, as this drama supposed to be engaging, as how LSG said, the viewers can also be in his journey to find out the truth about himself...

It still getting intense every episode but since the very start people already invested in the drama and really engaging with the comments and guesses and theorising and all the twists...some might get exhausted. So when we're expected to be really interested in or excited about the story as it move forward...viewers get exhausted and bored instead. Too many twists could cause the drama losing its dynamic. Idk with others but for me the drama has lost its charm in ep 10. Yes it still interesting to follow and I finnaly can understand why the writer go with brain transpant thing...but the story is so convoluted and I can only expect it all can be untangled in satisfactory way in 7 episodes left.

And yeah that twitter comment you said pretty much sum it up...if we're not being mislead again lol...

But here we are still wondering though how each character will end up. It still interesting for me how the untangle will go...and yes the actors acting indeed what's really interesting to follow.

You're right, I overlooked that DL was assumed dead, but it isn't officialy declared yet since the body found isn't confirmed yet if it's DL or not and it seems like that lady secretary is blocking the news on DL's missing. Because a person of DL caliber, none is aware of his death, not even on the news is quite strange. And it was CHJ who invited DL for interview, it's kinda strange as well she doesn't seem to aware of DL missing. But then the only possibility left is CHJ sent that to the lady and the lady (assuming she's working with DL) notified DL, thus the request to HH was made. DL surely aware of HH's research since their time in UK. It was him who brought the mices to HH for his experiment as a gesture of gratitude to him. And he's been in HH's office/lab seeing him working with their brain transplant. It was HH who sent a pair of mouse to him, so DL aware that HH was indeed succeed in his mice experiment, transplanting mouse brain. We saw one mice get off the box and the other one left. The one that ran away was found by that yellow coat boy (JH/BR?)

The other possibility is that after Jae Hoon passed by, the other boy (Yohan?) passing through and saved both BY and thr puppy. Then he took the puppy home to treated. You're absolutely right that we will remember a face that safe us even vaguely we migt be able to recognize the figure of the person. So it's plausible that YH saved both BY and the puppy. I remember that scene when DL asked about the dog (the dog seemed old) but what noticeable from that scene was how DL looking at the shaking hand of SJE, she looked uncomfortable with DL's presence and wanted him to leave.

One thing bother me is...how she still live in the same neighborhood for more than 20 years? She changed her name but DL still manage to find where she lived. Even MC know her as SJE and only found out later that she had changed her name. I just don't understand the length of confusion the writer is creating for viewers to enjoy. Like she made everything as confusing as possible...what's YH's mom secret? How she ended up with YH as her son if JH is her biological son? And if JH is BR. She literally strangled JH and told him she shouldn't gave birth to him. And the aunt...before BR surgery she seemed like a caring aunt, who worry so much about him, then later after the surgery she suddenly afraid of him. And the uncle...we only see the uncle once or twice everytime when BR was hospitalised. Now we don't see him at all...where the hell is he?lol.

It's too bad the writer still holding back in revealing YH's mom story...if JH was her son, then YH is JH. The hints points to both direction.
The doctor said HH was the one who gave consent to take YH's frontal lobe and did it himself too...because YH was his son. And in the document MC found SJE seemed to change her name right after HH's imprisonment. Because in ep 13, BY came to her with her new name based on the case report. And in the family registry there are only SJE and SYH. So in no way BR is JH looking at all that. And even strange that there's no record of JH family or his whereabout now...how come the police let JH gone unsupervised knowing he's the only witness of his family murder? And not to mention there's no body bag of his mother at all.

Really we can't know who is who and which one is which now in thiw because it's too convoluted now while it's getting intense at the same time. I just hope the writer will not rushed in untangling each character and their story and how they are all related in the 7 episodes left. And I hope.the ending will be reasonable and satisfactory for each character ...

I think he'll wake up and he'll reveal who did that to him.

For all we know BR was the last person to see him alive helping him carrying the very box his body was thrown in like that.

Not so much back story except what been shown to us. But talking about hints...in ep one there were 3 boys at the end of the line of childrens who watched JH passed by the class rooms. And that the three of them (BR, DG, and CK) helped YH when he was being bullied in high school. So their friendship goes way back.

I still think BR wasn't the one doing it on the grounds he couldn't be doing that in such a tight time, CK is bigger than him too physically and would give a proper fight back...well except he was being attacked from behind. Not to mention it's a prison where everything is under strict surveillance, so someone must be familiar with prison lay out..know when and where to attack him unnoticed to everyone.

But that doesn't mean BR is not a sus...he's the most obvious suspect...that's the problem.