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Indeed, I agree with your points as well.

But I have one more suspect, JJ's very own mother. She's been abusing her power to frame others as well. And she empoyed JM, it is JJ's very own words that his mom treating JM like a servant.

She sold the deer farm right after DS sis went missing because now we know that DS sis went there to meet DS there since it was JJ and DS hideout. We're shown when JJ, DS and Ji Hwa were talking about construction places, JJ told her that place as their hideout. And there's JJ's flashback memory he was talking to someone not shown presumably DS. But strangely in JJ's other flashback, he was the person to see DS sis alive that night. And he seemed to regret that, because he mumbled about he shouldn't leave her alone..or something like that.

I think after that, JJ had severe depression, he might have seen or heard something that night, that is why he was having that deer image and said he heard women's voice in his head. He either a killer or traumatic.

We also seen that DS sister was walking alone and she heard creacking engine noise in the reeds and began to walk faster and the street light began to dim...the next morning cafe girl was found in the reeds and she went missing.

She looked like someone who would do anything to protect JJ and her interests.

And that chairman also doesn't seem to behave like a chairman, he behave more like a mafia or something.

Now the case os about the bodies in that deer farm. Who were them and who killed them and why burried them there....though Jj could be the murderer of them, DS must have known something about it and he wouldn't trust JJ to save JY. Remember DS said something to JJ's mom about it is JJ who is clinging onto him not the other way round. I think DS is in a way protecting JJ.

JJ might have mental issues and every hints pointed to him, but I really doubt he's a murderer. The way he insisted on taking MJ home and his flashback memory of DS sister went off herself...I think he regreted not being with DS sister that night and that is why knowing MJ went home alone that night, he came to take her home.

While JW'a dad seemed to be very invested in the now all over the places case in a small town...rather than focusing on his job, and having his prosecutor errand boy doing this and that...he seemed like on the edge but at the same time looked very calm....and we're yet to know why JW seemed to hate him so much....

In all these are just guesses...let's see how the twists unfolded :)

I got the same feeling too...he and that construction company chairman and JJ's mom presence seemed to hint that the 3 were very much involved in the case 20 years ago, and JW's dad being in the police force seemed to have something dirt on him that is more than just covering up an old scandal but maybe his involvement in the crime itself...because there are more bodies found on that deer farm...and it's not clear yet if it is the work of JM or someone else's. Now NSB looked like he's consumed with guilt over something and he might be about to reveal something or having something that could be an evidence thanks to JW's framing him, he wouldn't want to retire with a stained reputation (in that last ep, was it seems like he's there to suicide?as if im not wrong he was holding his gun), so he might want to leave something. And someone must wanted him dead for fear him to speak up, i think that night he knew someone who came to kill JM. But again this is just a guess too....

Watched lates eps and I was like oh my, what's actually going on here...and our sus are confirmed there are more than one serial killer.

The deer farm, bodies are found and it was revealed it used to be JJ and DS hideout when they were youngsters.

And someone is on murdering JM and chief. The chief was indeed suspicious and he'a hiding something or covering up for someone and DS at one point when interogating him got that feeling I guess as he moved the chief's hand of sympathy off his own hand. And in the other hand JW also in his own way suspicious of the chief...and too bad for JW he keeps on making regretful decision for himself. I mean how come he did the same thing again, though he imo was trying to play the game DS ia playing, but DS is not provoking the killer to attack others, but to himself, while JW is using others and that's his failure. He shouldn't do that to the chief as it only provoke someone who wants the chief to shut up for good.

JJ might have witnessed DS sis murder, because from his glimpses of memory, he looked like someone feeling guilty, as he kept on saying something like he should have been with her and not letting her go alone....and we saw DS sister saying goodbye and walk away while JJ watched her...that night JJ supposed to be with DS as DS now confirmed to Oh Ji Hwa that the night his sister went missing they were at the hideout. They didn't know that that very farm is a burial ground for a serial killer. So it might be that since JJ was frequently there, he might have seeing or witnessing things there and that's why he got his delusional thoughts....he must think that someone is slaughtering the deer since it's a deer farm but the sound he heard was of women...he might not witnessing it directly but hearing the noises. And that night we don't know yet where DS went that his sis went home alone, or if DS wasn't even there yet. But one thing confirmed now that JJ is the last person seeing DS sis alive...either DS knew of the fact or not. Now JJ behave the way he did also because he's the last person to see MJ alive, so it might really hit him hard the fact that MJ also missing. He seemed suspicious and his mother is evenmore suspicious, she sold the farm right after DS sis case happened. So, i think JM is her cleaning up man, he might have killed for her.

But then again, JJ seemed to be the main suspect now, and that his mom is trying hard to cover up for him or his mental issues....oh this is a rollercoaster of suspicious persons.

My opinion is the chief is covering up for JW's father. I think JW's father is somehow related to all this crimes more than being shown to us...but let's see how this will go.....

Im thankful :) have a nice day to you too...

Definitely will do...thanks for info ;)

And I think I will like LSG too I mean yeah he looks like someone with good personality. Tbh I don't really follow Kcelebs news and all...with all the Kentertainment hype around the world, I just watch dramas Im interested in and then get to respect the actors/actresses. Same goes with Cdramas...now good to have some good suggestions...thank you again

Oh yea it's one I haven't watch from Shin Sung Rok, I didn't see the cast list and oh LSG is the ML. I haven't watched it because I don't subscribe to Netflix...I have some other apps but lol I just don't do netflix for some reasons...but I'll look into it later because it's on my wishlist to watch omg....

Wow really?I never watch reality show, but wow if they both are in it then I'd give it a try. Cos I like character actors like Shin Sung Rok, I mean he could play any character given and you feel like it's him for real
...bad guy or good guy he's the man ;) and now I could see it in Lee Seung Gi too, he looks innocent and you'll fall for it at first sight and then....i can't wait to see his character development here in Mouse...I mean it gives me thrill already he cracked the very bird he saved...and that cold eyes....good to know both actors have done same project....id like to see the real them in the show....

I'm looking for LSG dramas from the list and see if it's available on drama apps I have...

Yes, all actors doing grear job portraying their roles. I'm loving thia drama because I love this genre or similar/in the range of genre. Well yea tbh this is the first time I see Lee Seung Gi (ive seen him in old detective drama but i kinda forgot), and his acting is superb, I love his every expression. Don't be surprised I just know him, because I just started watched Kdramas since 2019 and I only watched this genre. And I'been addicted to this genre in Kdramas ever since lol...lots of dramas to be watched...but my fave actors so far is Shin Sung Rok, Jang Hyuk, and of course Jo Jae Yoon, fave actress are Jin Seo Yun and Kim Seo Hyung. Now I think I will look into Lee Seung Gi's dramas too ;)

Agreed. I think everyone in this drama played theor roles brilliantly, especially Dr. Lee - Jo Jae Yoon...I mean man whenever I see him in a drama , especially with this genre, it is a good drama and he's such a versatile actor. Tbh im not here for certain actor or anyone but if asked i think I will say I'm here because of Jo Jae Yoon lol. I know if he's in it then it must be one great drama.

Yes, I think that envelope is crucial thing and I believe SYH didn't do the test but could it be it was given to him (remember the scene when KMC's frenemy friend asked SYH that someone wanted to meet him? In ep 3 the day Dr. Lee presumably killed). Why he burned the document and then came to his mom telling her the shocking thing?we'll get to see it. I don't think SYH is psychopatic serial murderer as well, he's good with knife being a surgeon but he also kind of lousy to be that exhibitionist seriall killer who left nothing but confusions to all. He also not HH's son, because remember the scene when his mom asked if he has someone/gf and said how she wanted grandchild from him?like in the past she even wanted to have the baby aborted in her last semester of pregnancy just because of the test result, and how she kept recalling how she wanted to kill Jae Hoon?)So imo SYH is neither JH nor HH'S biological son. How's he related to JBR and why he tried to kill him is something we must be patient to wait for.

I also think HH must have hidden something too, that is why he didn't seem to content reading the news. And he swear on SJE after hearing the conversation, i think now I get it. Because he hears the prison doctor said that SYH couldn't be the murderer. I think HH then realised he was being played fool again by SJE, because now he's convinced that SJE is hiding his son somewhere.

Imo Ba Reum might be the real son of HH and he could be the real JH too. Her mom might have something done on him to supress his past. But well it's anothet wild opinion. Because even many wanted JBR to turn out to be the killer, I hope he's not (this one is subjective though lol). So yea, let's see it next week. And I think the ending is misleading or not it is depending on how we see it. Whatever the ending I just hope justice is served for the sake of all the victims especially for KMC because tbh I like his character and his gut...he might not be the intelligent like the killer or like other character, but his persistence and perseverance is admirable.

It was an assembly chairman, but I doubt that it was him, because he just found out that his wife was pregnant during that hearing when they too a brief break before the voting. And we get to know that his baby is that young detective Shin, KMC's partner. And I think the envelope was related to the hair sample . And it to test the fetus DNA, i don't think he needed a hair sample, but yes the man in the car could be that assembly chairman, but I doubt it. The lady from president office is more likely or someone from blue house because at that time the president wish the bill to be passed. But it could be not about baby test at all too.

And I don't think there will be soul switching stuffs too...but baby switching could be possible.....or abandonment of one and adopting of another but either one of JBR or SYH we don't know for sure yet.

As I said it's still early to know the broader picture , but some hints indeed provided but might be overlooked. And those hints cleverly put or inserted, that's my point.

So yea since there are 14 episodes to go with each episode's twists...so...yes let's just waiting for it and see where they lead us to.

Yea that's what I said in my own comment.

After rewatched ep 6, he might be a killer too yes....i was confused with his words to his mom "your son" but then when I watched it again, it's a response to his mother's asking "what is it MY SON?" ... but then again the case with the envelope keeps poking my curiousity.

Well he definitely tried to kill JBR twice...one being in the hospital room but he failed because BY stormed the room. Then at the end of ep 6. So I guess he knew who JBR is maybe because of that envelope of dna test result? He knew that JBR is actually the son of HH and he must have been keeping a tab on JBR for quite sometimes.
I think he could be a sociopath too...because if he's a serial killer he's not that meticulous...like leaving all the traces here and there, quite a mess clean up...dropping a pic, throwing a bug mic in the bin, leaving the shoes in garage, letting gf has pw to his apartment, leaving a key to secret room for the granny to enter, he's a bit lousy at that for an exhibitionist serial killer.

But I also wish JBR is not a killer for some reasons....I rewatched ep 3-6 and thinking thay JBR could be young JH. And how he and SYH is switched as SJE's son is a mystery.

SJE though telling Dr.Lee that he's wrong, her hands shaking were seen by Dr.Lee, and she keeps on recalling the event of choking JH is still bothering lol. But a silly reason I think JBR could be JH is the similar haircut lol.

Oh my this drama driving me mad with guesses lol.

Yea, I remember that. HJ said he would never hurt a fly then KMC said something like you wouldn't know. So the boxer wasn't a cross murder victim (folk-tale serial murder case). He could be murdered by someone else or could be murdered by the serial killer for revenge not related to his other serial murders. It's interesting that the boxer was the brother of the girl whose murder was witnessed by HJ (we don't know yet what's her story that night, if the killer was HH or someone else? Because we knew that HH wouldn't leave a witness behind, that's why he brutally killed KMC's bro or he thought so because the boy survived).

And yes, I agree that the body was thrown in the lake/sea wasn't done by the serial killer. Interestingly DNA of the blood from SYH shoes didn't match with Dr.Lee's blood from the park, but matched with the body found in the water. If the body was Dr.Lee's body then the blood should be a match. So whose body it was? Another puzzle lol. And where's Dr.Lee? The woman from blue house also was seen again for few seconds in ep 6 when she got report from the man saying a body was found in the water presumably Dr.Lee's but it they couldn't be sure since it was badly damaged due to being drown in water for sometimes.

I think Dr.Lee is related to this woman and also blue house. And yes he must have bigger role due to his research on this, not to mention that now he knew his sister was killed by HH, and he shown his anger towards him...I think he wouldn't just let it go after believing the murderer for a long time even supporting him like his own bro...his heart must be filled with strong grudge against HH. But he's a very intelligent person so if he's revenging on HH, he must have doing something meticulously through his work...but well it just another guess....we'll get to see how things will develop....

Yeah it's really confusing though because the man who was talking with Dr.Lee asked him "Do you think an 11 yo killinh his WHOLE family?" Could it be a mistranslation? If not then why only 3 body bags and never a mention of the mother, and she was vaguely shown in the back ground. But yes, it's still unsolved case.

The detective definitely told Dr.Lee that (Jae Hoon) an 11 yo couldn't be murdering his WHOLE family. Means he's there must be father, two younger siblings and mother's bodies found. And Jae Hoon was freed due to lack of evidence and somehow he passed the polygraph.

But very strange that we keep seeing SYH's mom recalling the event of her choking Jae Hoon, if she's Jae Hoon's mom,how could she survived the killing too? Whose body then being being counted the mother of "Whole" family?

And to look at the scene when the father was killed, his body is at the bottom of the stairs already stabbed and Jae Hoon was there at the bottom of stairway standing and looking at his dead body and then took the knife out and walking up the stairs slowly leaving bloody prints....the father seemed to be falling down the stairs due to being stabbed to death...so who did that?

I don't think SYH is Jae Hoon, despite he realised Jae Hoon's dream to be a doctor/surgeon. The only possible thing is that Jae Hoon was indeed SJE's son, but she gave him out for adoption or having him switched as a baby? But she keep an eye on him every now and then....and at the time she witnessed Jae Hoon was about to bury his 'lil bro alive she came over and saved the lil bro. Remember the scene when Jae Hoon asked his lil bro if he wanted to say goodbye to the dog? His mom was seen in the kitchen wearing apron doing something (if not wrong her hair was tied). While SJE when she came to the rescue wearing brown coat and loose hair. I could be wrong but...how could Jae Hoon killed all his family but then lived with her mom growing up as SYH with no record at all, KMC only found that SJE changed her name and has only one son SYH.

So probably SYH is not her biological son...either he's adopted or switched...and SYH found it out later on after having that envelope of "Human Genetic Testing Laboratory"....he must have been trying to find out who he really is all along because he's being bullied all the time as HH's son.

We just get to ep 6 out of 20 but the ride has been wild with so many intense guesses...like every little detail is being brought up in comments..since I am a big fan of this genre, i myself has been making so many long comments too lol. Ive never been so excited, so curious and so invested in a drama. Racking my brain like crazy even though I know it's still early to really get into it too deep. So kudos to the writer and every one who make this drama. This is insanely good watch....

Now again....

Idk if everyone noticed in ep. 1:
*when HSJ dropping Dr.Lee off at the hotel loby, there's a woman came to Dr.Lee, looks like handing him something and trying to talk to him. HSJ saw that silently before leaving and found his fateful prey on the way home (KMC's family.

* Dr.Lee throw a plastic bag contain hairs in it along with his gloves on the bed when he got back to his hotel room (could it be the thing the woman gave him was that plastic bag with hairs in it?)

* When HSJ's wife went to the hospital for test result, she asked Dr.Lee for her test result and he didn't say a word actually, well even it might be that his expression was enough answer for SJE to believe that her baby is psychopathic. But when Dr.Lee was out for a moment, we are shown the DNA test result papers on the table, but not shown if SJE read/took it or not.

* Dr.Lee went out to meet someone in the mid of his talk with SJE, he went out to hand over and envelope to someone in the black sedan. Now what was it in the envelope and to whom he handed over the envelope?

*we got the out of nowhere scene in ep 6 where SYH had an envelope with Human Genetic Testing Laboratory marked on it. And he burned it. How and where he got that and why he burned it?

*We are presented with Dr.Lee came back to Korea to check on specific person, JH, the kid that accused of killing his whole family. Strangely he went to check on SJE and then SYH after her. He's observing him secretly at hospital, the strange thing is if he was calling to meet up SYH, why meeting at such place unprepared? The only thing possible is that he didn't find SYH threathening at all, knowing how good SYH with knife as a surgeon, if he thought SYH was a murderer he wouldn't meet up with SYH in such way in such place. So we don't know what really happen that night to Dr.Lee....if he's killed by the same serial killer though, why the need to hid his body? Dr.Lee is such a prominent figure, and the serial killer as an exhibitionist wouldn't miss that fact to expose Dr.Lee's murdered body either by staging it or just leaving it. Hiding the body does not seem to be this serial killer's MO at all.

*SYH mom's keeps recalling the scene when she choked JH and seemed full with guilt of not being able to kill him. But we are presented with another vague line by SYH to his mom adressing himself as "....your son is murderer?" to her shock...

There are more of the scenes like those in each episodes which easily overlooked due to fast pacing to different more intense or continual scenes...these very short scenes though looking usual but if you pay attention they looked like being carefully and intentionally inserted...to give out hints?idk.

But imo the biggest hint is on the opening theme song....Jae Hoon is definitely the mouse, the serial killer....but who's the adult Jae Hoon? We get vague faces...and there are only two possible persons...JBR and SYH.

I really wish JBR is not a serial killer though he's the most suspicious one, all the hints pointing out to him being all too nice and all, but who knows? There are too many a twist in a twist in this drama and we're still early on the episodes with many twists to come.

Many more to say but this is way too long already. Sorry to whoever reading this.

When they were at BY's granny's tomb he said that he had his parents cremated. Now it's the confusing part. In the casts list, the woman HH's wife met at the hospital is updated as BR's mother.

She at the time said that she loved her husnand more than her own life, and that the baby was the only one left that connect her to her late husband. Idk if the writer misleading us with those lines into believing she'll not getting married but then in fact she re-married at some points? But we also see BR only has a pic of his mom holding a baby presumably him. No daddy's pic there. So the writer is really good at writing something that keeps viewers on the edge with endless guessing and curiousity. Lol.

BR even have his aunty and uncle as guardians...so I don't think he lied to her.

I found it a bit off too since this whole ordeals about psychopatic gens started with him on the first place.

Now if you watch ep 6 carefully, when someone came to a lady (the same lady who told assembly chairman Shin, that president was furious that he voted against the bill from ep 1) that they found a body from the water supposedly belonging to Dr.Lee. The higher ups seems to want to cover up something.

And then about the DNA match test being said not match with the body (i might got it wrong), but the blood from the shoes KMC found in SYH garage didn't match with Dr.Lee's DNA from blood found in the roller coaster car in the park. And there's a very short scene someone in NFS making a call reporting about tesr result to someone.

Dr.Lee murder case is not being made public even when a body bag was found in a lake?why? And what about the envelope marked as Human Genetic Testing Laboratory that SYH burned? How and where he got that envelope?
Now there's a scene related to an envelope as well from ep 1. The day HH's wife went to get the test result, when she asked Dr.Lee.actually didn't give her an answer, he then said to her he need to go out a moment to meet a guest, he left her with paper of test results on the table. And he handed over an envelope to someone in the black sedan.

So i think something might had happened to Dr.Lee but if he's killed early it just feel not right too. But well maybe he's killed but we'll get to see more in next episodes as to understand why he's being killed.

I think the writer is clever...they inserted some scenes in the running episode that last only few seconds that unrelated to the ongoing event in the drama...so these scene might be hints that easily missed out by viewers. We also saw in the preview ep 2 SYH met with HH in jail but that scene has not been shown until now.

And in ep 6. HH was upset at something after reading the newspaper about inmates beinh tested due to someone had AIDS. And when he was in the infirmary listening to the convo outside he said something about SJE being impudence wench...what he meant by that?....

'Sci-fi' tag i think related to Dr.Lee research on psychopatic genetic traits. Remember Ba Reum's mom said about her husband?she said her husband was working with dr.Lee on experiment back in UK. So I guess Dr.Lee was having some experiment with the fetuses of those pregnant women?