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Lol I like this kinda drama cause it actually poking your curiosity and making you think...a good brain excercise maybe?

During the hearing about the bill to terminating the fetus with psychopatic genes/DNA, the assembly chairman gave the final vote to drop it because he found out that his wife is pregnant after 10 years waiting. Thus the bill was dropped which infuriates the president (as being said by the lady to the chairman, and it is interesting to note that the lady said to him that he stole his baby's right of future without wars and crimes, why she said that? The man just knew about it and no testing has been made for her pregnancy?how she's sure that this chairman's baby has no psychopathic dna that its future being stolen from it?)

So there are three pregnant women at the time:
1. HH wife
2. The lady whose late husband was Dr.Lee,s researcher colleague.
3. The wife of the assembly man

When HH dropped Dr.Lee off at the hotel, there was a lady who came over to Dr.Lee seemed begging him to answer her questions but Dr.Lee gave her dismissive look. Could that lady is the pregnant wife of the same assembly chairman?

Then at the hospital when HH's wife asking the result of her test?we don't actually see Dr.Lee gave her the answer, he was just silent, and SJE might took his silence as confirming her fear that the baby has the psychopatic DNA and wanted to abort the baby, but Dr.Lee said he's not a doctor (medical doctor) and it's just too late to abort the baby - could it be that the baby test result was negative of psychopatic DNA and Dr. Lee who had grudge against HH for killing his sister was planning something too? And right after that he got a call and went out to handed over a map to someone in the car. What was in the envelope and who was the person in the car? Could it be the contain test result of that assembly chairman's wife and the person in the car was either the chairman himself, or the lady from blue house). When he left the room, the test reports were on the tables zoomed in but SJE didn't bother to even look at it or take it.
When talking to the other lady, it seems that SJE was so frustrating about her situation but the other lady then said she wanted to prove Dr.Lee is wrong,I guess even SJE didn't show it that time, she's listening to the lady, that since she couldn't abort the baby, then she should raise him to prove that Dr.Lee is wrong about his theory.

The little boy in yellow could be JBR, but if so then Jae Hoon couldn't be little JBR because at the hospital the lady said her late husband is her life, and that she wouldn't abort the baby because the baby is the only one connect her with her late husband. She seemed so determined to raise the baby well. And in ep 3 JBR has the pic of her mom dan him as a baby. It seemed like her mom raised him alone as a single mom. While Jae Hoon has two other siblings (it isn't clear as well if the dad is his step father, because when he called the mom after meeting the teacher he addressed Jae Hoon as "your son" to the mom). Jae Hoon is said to be genius by his teacher and said to wanted to be a doctor. So it is unlikely that Jae Hoon is JBR or SYH, he could be someone else who in present time yet to be revealed.

When visiting SJE, Dr.Lee noticed that SJE hand shaking while rubbing the dog, could it be that she's hiding something about her son?

So there could be another person here beside JBR and SYH. The son of the wife of the assembly man? And if the woman who met with Dr.Lee at hotel lobby in ep 1 is not the wife of the assembly man's wife then if the lady came to meet Dr.Lee about the tests, then there will be another person as well.

The scene where SYH looked at the pinned pics at the wall was not a cold looking gaze instead of it looks like a surprised/horrified look. And there's a man in his apartment on his bed when BY's granny came in. So my wild guess is that that man in SYH apartment could be Jae Hoon (since SYH is a medic, JH could be SYH fellow doctor). And he was the one who did all the murders. When SYH met with his dad at the prison, HH must think that SYH is just like him, a pyschopath doctor, but SYH despite his unconventional approach in handling patients, he didn't seem to hide behind normal behaviour or even play nice kind doctor as if wearing a mask. He act differently actually than his dad, his dad pretended to be nice and all, but SYH didn't seem to hide his character. And I think, he secretly investigating all the current serial murders, how he got all those pictures are still a mystery, could it be that he's being taunted by someone (Jae Hoon?), that Jae Hoon was sending all the pics to him to provoke him knowing that SYH is the son of notoriois HH, or worse forcing him to be an accomplice? This person knew that Dr.Lee is contacting SYH and went ahead to murder him and SYH was the one to clean up after him? Lol my brain tickles so much guessing lol.

It will be too obvious if the writer gave hints points to SYH as murderer, and too typical to portray and easy to guess to make JBR a cold blooded psychopath wearing too nice and kind mask. But well that could be the trick as well, like yea we show the truth early on but then later viewers are bombarded with twists here and there to confuse us to look at the other direction or think otherwise, but in the end the culprit is the one we suspected early on. But if so, I couldn't bring myself to believe JBR is a serial killer or SYH, they could be having that psychopatich genes but that does not necessarily make them serial murderers, since there are many factors as well that could make a person a killer. But let see how this drama heading us to....

I found the end is frustrating than sad because the choice Zi O made, I have had my heart aches for him the entire 11 episodes. Trying to see Zi O's point of view, I think he get to the point where his patience wearing loose. His anger and disappointment, sadness, frustration all mixed up that he saw no hope for survival by defensive approach, he's tired of it all and is losing Gu Reum and the baby. In his view, the world is already destroyed and that they couldn't go back to that again and going through the same experience again to see what choice they could make and what/who are to lose or being used or sacrificed again. I think this situation is what Zi O's father wanted him to realise, projecting his own disappointment with how the world is treating him when he proposed his research about creating humans in labs using the best genetic traits of L.U.C.A. the world shunned him and even put him in ja, he wanted to show the world he's right and he even said to the cult lady that he is god as he created Zi O, and he even perfected him. I think his 'father' wants to use him and his clones just to prove his achievement in playing god. He saw that Zi O is not realising his true self and nature because he's behave more like human in general instead of being superhuman, that Zi O let his emotions gets the better of him, and he's being too humane. And all this mess brought Zi O to where he wanted Zi O to be. Yes, I agree that Gu Reum should have said things he said to Zi O earlier, so Zi O should have not gone this far. But I think that is the point of why they make Gu Reum and Zi O made different choices and took different path, is to show that's it is the way of being humans, that we are the ones responsible for choices we made, and sometimes if not most of the time, we are easily clouded by emotions and that we easily influenced by others or things, but that's what make us humans, we learned from mistakes and that we could get to the right choice too even when we're making mistakes. I think the writers wanted to contrasted Zi O as someone who slowly losing his "human" traits and Gu Reum who is just an ordinary human being with all her weaknesses. Gu Reum still that same human Gu Reum. It is indeed sad last conversation they had. Gu Reum believing that Zi O is not a monster and fearing he's losing it, Zi O believing living like ordinary human being only brings him endless pain and suffering and he had it all enough. Now it is all about survival and that to make a new world he thought that would be better world.

The tap that 'father' made on Zi O, I don't think it is a tap of feeling sorry or showing empathy, but more like a congratulation tap...like congratulation you got it right and welcome back home, let's create a new world together.

I think Zi O did not know that his baby was at the bottom of the building since he believed what Gu Reum said that she sent the baby far away safe and he was waiting for Gu Reum to be saved so they can get the baby (or could it be that he took 'i sent her far far
away' as that baby is dead?) Or he intentonally didn't look for the baby for safety reason, as it is better that they make the clones out of him than to have the baby being experimented on the way they did to him? Could it be that is lart of the agreement Zi O will make with his 'father', you got me so leave the baby alone? Lol there are manh possibilities.

So yea I think all that open ending is a pretext for next season of new Zi O and the baby and the clones. I would love to see what Zi O will become.....

Agreed with you on the development of DS and JW, I think even they still walk on their own separate ways, there's already an understanding between them. Imo DS know that JW's father is involved back then and now, that is why he's treating JW that way. Of course it they still have a long way to go in term of trust, but they're getting there soon. The trio JJ's mom, JW's dad and the chairman definitely not good guys and they will do everything even abusing the their power for theor own interests, so it's either there are more than one killers or there's one killer who also will be used by this trio to eliminate DS and evem JW.
As for JW and his dad, their relationship is not that warm, and JW definitely had something happened to him that caused him to really hate being touched by others and his father might related to it as well. I think his father is using him and exploiting that prosecutor, or he was just exploiting that prosecutor to test JW to see how he will become.

Yea his foster bro creeps me out, i mean wth with counting the police officers and giving them food, he definitely looking down on them and laughing on their back. Toying with them is fun but it gets boring, so yea the serial kiler usually wanted to be caught in spectacular way, or if not they just want to level up the game to prove themselves to be superior than others. We see glimpses of young foster bro in the church where in the first episode DS sister playing the piano showi her red nails. I think all this related to DS parents, we are yet to see the history of how JM became a foster bro, his background story. It is interesting that we are showed that foster bro everyday came to visit DS mom at hospital, I think DS mom might know something before falling into the current state, and JM visiting her everyday alone with her, probably he's gauging and taunting her knowing she's not able to speak. I think DS is at times suspecting him but he's either hiding it or since things are overlapped with JM superb act, DS might not even realised that he's suspecting him, or DS really knows about him but there are things that yet to be revealed that holdinh him up from catching him by playing along with the game, I found it quite strange scene when JM visiting DS in jail he insisted that DS should eat the food later and DS insisting on not taking the food, then just before he returnet to his cell, he went back to tell JM "you must eat well", like he's telling him very vaguely that he knows what the deal with food JM always give to him, like i knlw your game boy, you give food to people who he thinks moron, remember he said that about Oh Ji Hwa and other polices at the stations when counting them one by one right? It is strange because DS really takes time to tell him to "eat good". Ds might not suspecting him as a killer but he definetely has his eyes on his foster bro, knowing Min Jung also afraid of her dad and treated DS better than her own dad. JM might be jealos of DS have all the love from people he cared about most (he probably liked DS twin sister?l) and now his only daughter looking up to DS more than to him. And the fact both girls liked to have their nails done. So yea things are actually very unclear even when it looked like it is getting clear of who the suspect is. It's getting complicated here and there. JH the bro of detective might have seen JM that night tok that is why he's sure that DS and JJ is not the culprit and now we know why he's suspicious, he likes MJ and stalks her. About JJ my opinion is he's having mental issues and his mom is trying so hard to cover up for him, that is why DS is threathening her at the event. Said it was DS that clinging to him not the other way round, JJ probably delusional and he might have done something that DS knew about. He's hearing voices and he said couldn't differ what he saw is human or animal, that is why he keeps drawing animal yet saying their voices are women's voices. Remember back then he provide alibi for DS related to DS sister, could it be he was the one the supposed person the cafe woman who was murdered the night DS sister missing was about to met with to watch the movie? And now with MJ, why he went to MJ and said he wanted to takr her home, could it be he had something going on with MJ? Also remember when DS and JW confronting each other about the illegal immigrant who JW sent to spy on DS, when he JW showed her the pic, he said he never seen DS before anywhere, but when JW recalled the pic at butcher shop when DS and his colleagues having a dinner, the woman said is it the police officer, but at the time JW thought the woman talking about DS now when he recalled it again, they all police officers but on the pic JJ's face is the one stand out. That's why he keeps pressing DS who the person is, because now he's suspecting one of the police officer is the culprit, but who?that is why he also askef the prosecutor to have background check on JJ. So yeah JJ still is suspicious character, he took days off suddenly when things are getting heat up, the exact same way he did 20 years ago, he went off grid right after giving his testimony and after her mom went to wreck havoc in DS home. He asked DS if DS kill MJ because one, he's not the killer, that he suspected MJ went out again after he sent her home to meet DS, second he wanted to make sure that DS is not the killer, or third he's making sure if DS saw something, because he might be making sure of himself than about DS, because of his delusions related to hearing and seeing things. So yea we also still need to see how things develop with JJ's suspicious behaviour.

Now the thing with MJ's phone, there's a reason why they showed her dropping her keys at the station, she might be a reckless person. She might be dropping off or forgot to bring her phone when she sneak out again that night. Now we also showed the scene when dad looked at the pic of him and the daughter he said something bizzare about now she's stuck with him forever, could it be that her body is somewhere in the house? Or more gore guess is could he is a canibalistic murderer? With all the food thing he sent the police, could it be he sent them food containing human meats in them? Hence the title beyond evil? Well this is just my wild guess. The police couldn't find the phone because they thought that her phone was taken by the kidnapper, and that could be the case, her dad took and hid the phone, remember at the start of episode 6, JM was shown opening up a lid. What's in the lid?and there's also scene where DS opening up a lid. Could it be DS found her phone?idk, it's just really confusing now lol.

So yeah the killer is definitely playing a game with everyone, a catch me if you can game. It is the same question bothering me what DS has beein doing the past 20 years, could it be there's conspiracy that is why DS himself having troubles in his investigation, and that's why he's behaving very strange, he might appear to protect someone or some people not because he wanted to do so, but he's protecting the case to be reopened and investigated by other larger division, remember JW's father is to be someone to head the police organization. If he's forced to reope the investigation, DS afraid it will be the same as 20 years ago, being closed off again. He wanted to covertly investigate it by himself and catch the culprit/culprits himself. Brcause it is very personal to him. Or there's other reason we still have to wonders in next episodes.

So yeah it's getting complicated, confusing and interesting at the same time. I really like to see the twists here, who knows DS is the real culprit here, if you ever watched trap, the ML is actually the culprit. Who knows it is the case here (being DS has split personality disorder?) , but let's hope it is not the case. He could be the anti-hero here.

Btw it is really interesting reading your comments :)

Oh my, I just finished it and exactly like your reaction "what the hell is happening with Zi O", he's so disappointed towards human that he ended up beliving what "his father" said about the question of being superhuman. Now, the real mastermind here is that "father", he's the real genius who played with everyone, literally everyone. Now he had Zi O exactly where he wanted him to be, his mining field of DNA for creating those clones. Though Gu Reum made mistakes and judgments too, in the very end I think she got it right, Zi O could could make a better choice. I think Zi O went to work with his "father" in exchange for saving Gu Reum's life?as Zi O carried her on her back and there's no scene of her funeral. We just hope there will be next season, so curious about the baby girl. I think in next season we if there will be one Zi O will be a total different person, if in this season he's the hunted one, always run away in defense, he will show a total different personality change showing all his superior powers and all, and he might be end up fighting some of his clones once knew that his baby girl is alive.

What a journey, really frustrating to the end but it's worth a watch. Really nice story and we get to learn that sometimes things just don't go as we planned, and that there are things that we experience that changed us whether for good or bad.

Let's see if there will be another season, hopefully things will get better for Zi O and the baby.

Oh it so understandable now knowing how CD industry works. So it's all about money and who can sell more, it doesn't matter if they're not good at acting at all, as long as they are A listed celebs then they can get a go, and the others who are there longer and actually know how to act and working really hard for that for years, also the younger ones that even went to study acting for years only get to play small, supporting roles, and the likes, because well they don't have that "selling tag on their names"? I hope it's not true all the time, because if that is the case, then wow that's really an unfair world for many actors and actresses who really work hard to be one.

Don't get me wrong though, I have huge respects for idols turned actors/actresses who really work their way from the bottom up like others too, I mean they don't just get there without putting a lot of efforts, that it's not just about making money or selling a story but also about loving what they're doing and bringing up the characters into life. XZ has his ups and downs also in acting, but he's not just have that talent in him, he actually working hard on improving, before untamed I've seen him in dramas also in movies, not because I am a fan, it just happened that he was just there, and he's really has that "star vibe" in him for acting, he does not always shine though, not always portraying his character good, but he's improving and growing.
And there are many others too, they're idols but they also have that talent to grow in acting.

I'm not saying Betty Wu is not good at all, it's her first drama after all, and there are a lot of rooms for improving for her. But in this drama, because she's placed as FL with experienced XZ, the contrast is just too stark in acting so it's not balanced nor complimenting at all as expected from ML and FL. She's all cute yes, but is that all required from her? Of course not. It might sound unjust or unfair but actually she will need all the critics to improve and be better, idk if she's having no talent for acting or she's lacking the experiences, but to put her as a FL just because she's an idol which selling, that's just not right of an excuse, people are in for the drama mostly because of XZ, and it's selling because of XZ prensence and acting alongside other actors/actresses, so the only reason she's being FL is not because she has that selling power as an actress, but more because her agency put her there so she can get the experience and hopefully being big too. If people think it is unfair and unjust to critisize her, it is even more unfair and unjust for many other hard working talented actresses that China has no lacl of them out there...many of not most working really hard from the start and good at act but always get the minor roles in everytime even when their acting got good reviews, they always seem to end up as support roles or at best second leads. And to be a main lead is just a long journey to make, it is not always about who can sell, most cd that sells with idols as leads I think not just because there are idols in there, but because these idols actually can act too, that is why it is selling. So it is unfair for many that Betty Wu who has no experience in acting now became a FL and not success at it at all, this drama is her stepping stone made for her by her agency, and they expect her to rise like a rocket because her partner here is XZ.

Sorry to all her fans, she's human too, she needs to learn and she's young, there's a lot of time to improve, don't always hate critics, work hard instead to prove that so the critics will turn into praises, that's the journey there's no instant journey not in being idol even more at being actor/actress.

I have stopped watching this at ep 7 come back here to see if i have make a wrong call to stop watching it. Since first episode my comment is that she just flat, her expression is not versatile, I mean she got the same expression for all the emotions, I can't tell if she's happy or angry or sad or what not because her expression just look the same to me. And you know, if your expression can't tell at least your eye will deliver it but it just the same, her eyes just don't deliver any emotions. That is imo she's flat. But of course she's working hard to portray her character well, and since her own personality must be bright and cheerful person, so she actually do good in those scenes but not in other parts. So yea...there are a lot of better actresses could do a better job here than her. And the industry or agency should not worry about making money XZ alone already make it big. The agency of course has no lack of talented actress and who said that it is a look down for the agency if their actress who has no acting skills yet not getting FL role? I mean of course they have other A lists also right? And not all of their actresses are A lists right? So yea sorry her acting is just so so, but i have no issie if they select her again for next season I just hope she's improved there....i just don't watch a drama because ML or FL is idol or anything, I am more for the story and characters there...so it never matter to me, if good it will get a good if bad it will get a bad comments, that's just how it works in the world of drama's vieweres I guess or maybe not?

Someone said in the comment that the female doctor in Untamed could be a good fit for a FL here...I kinda agree to that, since she worked with XZ in untamed and well they have good chemistry there too, with Betty Wu, the chemistry is like XZ is like...yea it's there but not really there, and most of the time it's not there...so yea sorry again, no hard feeling against Betty Wu, it's not a comment about her personal character which I believe is a very bright and cheerful person, but it is more about her acting skills that is not fit at all to play a FL....but I hope she will be better and better just like XZ. Good luck for her.

So true, she did make that choice to be with Zi O, to open herself up to him, at that point means that she chose to trust that he's not a monster. She had all that confusing thoughts yes because up until now, it's not clear for her who kills her parents. Up until the episode where she pushed Zi O away and screaming at him, I believed that because she wanted to protect him too and that she's just have all the confusing thoughts and mixed feelings (she still haunted by the words of her NFS professor friends about Zi O being a monster) and she loved him, and she's feeling guilty towards her parents for loving and even having child with the one suspected to kill her parents, and all the craziness she's been through and a mother instinct to protect her little one. But even so, a mother in such situation the only one who trust and keep on fighting for her at all cost is only Zi O. As a rational person who have been bertrayed by her own captain over and over, she still doing that to Zi O is unreasonable, she didn't even want to listen to him, not wanting to believe what he said that he did not kill her parents, yet she believe the very people who did bad things to her, her baby and Zi O. It is understandable that it is really hard situation since Zi O had no memory of his childhood except the bit unclear glimpses of memory, she had that memory, her own experience, when they first meet, Zi O was so afraid of her that it was his natural reaction to have the electrical burst not to mention her sudden appearance surprised him, but even so he did not harm her other than shocking her and she got no serious injures, and Zi O finally recalled that event and told her it was accident and the reason why he did that, she spent times with him, she should know better this man is still a better human being even than herself, after all he's been through he refused to kill the people because he thinka of them as human being whose life is precious. He didn't hold grudge, until he met her, he really wanter to protect her and even wanted to be killed by her if he in fact the one who kill her parents...but then why she did that to him? Is just frustrating, if she wanted to protect him too, then she should give the baby to Zi O because at this point only Zi O can protect the baby with all the power she does not have. It just crazy that no one left to tell her what her parents did to Zi O. She did not even know that her own father working as a researcher who did all the horrible things to Zi O too, and when she knew that, she still hold grudge against him who if he killed someone it was for defense not because he's a killer monster. Her father lied to little Zi O about adopting him but sold him for money and that's how they ended up dead. Zi O knowing all this still love her and wants to protect her at all cost.

So at one point I think later Gu Reum will know the truth and regreting it but it's just too late to mend things up but to sacrifice herself for her baby, I really wanted her to be alive though to be with Zi O and the baby, it will be disappointing to have Zi O died and left the baby to survive the harsh world alone. This is one frustrating drama emotionally, I mean my heart breaka for Zi O over and over because he suffers from start to end, yet he still have the heart that most of us would have lost it if being put in the same situation. So yea he indeed the real human being while all those claimed to be human beings are the real monsters. Gu Reum must have realised this now.

It is a really nice drama but I just don't have the heart to watch it second time tough...it's just hard to watch.

Exactly, it is disappointing that Gu Reum started promising then turning into confusing character, I mean she's not making things even better for Zi O. As a mother, of course understandable that she's willinh to do everything for her child, but so does a father, and Zi O seems to fight it all alone for the three of them, while Gu Reum couldn't even put herself in Zi O's shoe. He's been through all hell and she's the last one he had and the baby too now, he just wanted a normal life, in his situation that's very reasonable reason buy Gu Reum keeps making the already difficult situation getting worse for Zi O. I'm really disappointed in her,I mean it is Zi O's baby too not just hers, and she should at least trust that Zi O also has the same right as hers. Ugh I just hope the last episode they will at least giving them three a fair closing....though I don't have that high hope anymore.

Omg ep 6, Jin Woo literally losing his cool, I mean even voice recording could be fabricated or if it's real there he shouldn't lose his temper that quick, since things as he experienced aren't always as they look. Even his own detective friend was proven to be a hired murderer. Jung In seemed to be a better judge of character,  of course whatever she did for jer father, she seemed to live in a world where she only shown what her father and people around him wanted her to believe. And her filial piety towards her father is somehow touching, but she also someone who will not tolerate it if her father is a corrupt person. She will investigate it the same way she did with her father's murder. I think what connected them two are the phones that being gifted to them. And the death of Jin Woo's brother and the other man. Seo Ki Tae like many others politicians aren't saints with no dirts on their hands, but he said it to Jin Woo at the last episode 6, that even if Jin Woo put a bullet in his head, he will never admit something he didn't do. Jin Woo instead of investigating further into Young Joo, it seemed like he joined hands with her instead in 2020? This is interesting twist now the two will meet in 2020 and stand on different side. It will bea great twist if Seo Ki Tae will turn out to be the one who manipulate all these,  it would be very shocking for his daughter, or the vice president candidate as at the first time the connection happened in the past, he was the one ended up as president. And Young Joo seemed to be the one who put him there. Well since the story still going on, we'll have to wait and see the twists come to be.

On thing though, I just hope it does not turn out to be like Lee Seo Jin's previous drama, Trap, where he's the culprit.

I got the same vibe here even the story is very different. That he does not seem like someone everyone know he is, a master manipulator.

But that's just a feeling though...

Why would Dong Shik cover up for Jin Mok? The one that still missing is his twin sister (his blood family), Jin Mok is his foster bro, if his foster bro killed his very own twin sibling why would he cover up for him? And the other one is someone who Dong Shik care most like his own, his foster niece and Jin Mok's own daughter. Now if that's the case, Dong Shik doesn't have to cover for him for 20 years to have the same thing happened again to his family. He's not covering up anyone even it seems like he does. Idk what's in his mind, why he did what he did, he's a police officer now, if his fosfer bro did that, it would not be hard for Dong Shik to catch him, but he didn't do that even after Ming Jung is missing, and to say that he cover up for Jin Mook is like he's an accomplice to the crime,which he didn't. That only mean one thing, there's not just one person, and there's something or someone behind all these murders. It's not just some serial killers but there are also some who allow that and the ones who actuallt do the cover up, or even worse controlling the situation from behind the scene. If that is the case then we can make sense why Dong Shik act like that. He's protecting and at the same time investigating them one by one.

But one thing bothered me most is why the waiting for 20 years if he already knew who the culprit is? And why would he cover up for a murderer if it's his own family being destroyed by the killer. So no matter how suspicious Jin Mok is, there could be a twist...it could be him or it could be him being manipulated or it could be him the mastermind or it could not be him at all despite all the hints pointing to him. It is too early in episode 5 to have the murderer to be revealed....so i guess there are more to the story....and the culprits....

Yeaaa I just finished watching it, and yeaaa that one you sus the most ;) ...i kinda feeling lost as to what actually Dong Shik is doing. And he's surrounded by these people who he's at one side wanted to protect and on the other side he couldn't trust. As he said to Joo Won, they're against each other when alone but whent there's enemy from outside the community they'll stand together as one. I don't think Dong Shik is covering up for his foster bro, or anyone, it's like he's protecting them at the same time is trying to figure out something. His foster bro seems to be the most likely suspect and he could be a cold blooded serial killer, but why LDS still couldn't get him in the span of 20 years? So my guess it that there's more than meets the eye, it's not just the serial murder, it is involving that redevelopment project too. Remember it was Dong Shik's parents who helped his foster bro with his work, when he was young, Dong Shik is a carefree person and just like young man of that age, he listens to no one but his youthful spirit. Now foster bro is a total different person. And why only the body of Dong Shik's twin sis and Min Jung (have familial connection with Dong Shik) that are still missing?are they dead or alive? Could it be that even Dong Shik already figure out the real culprit or culprits, he's just wanted to know the whereabout of those two women his family? His foster bro might be responsible for has direct connection with what happened to the two (you know the "nail art" related thing), it might be his trigger, as being very conservative person, wearing "nail art" is considered something as bad as being a prostitute, immodest behaviour, and must be purged maybe according to this drama's character's religious view? ) and there's that chairman who said something about Min Jung case as well, it's like those in power also involved, it's like a messy web. It could be more than one sus....

Now we get to see that the last person to see Min Jung was Jung Je, and Jung Je also might have seen or connected to what happened to Dong Shik's twin sis 20 years ago as he is now with Min Jung, and he did the same for Dong Shik, even provide the same exact statment for Dong Shik alibi. Dong Shik didn't ask for it neither confirmed it. So why he kept on doing that? Why he had to provide Dong Shik with alibi?if he knew the culprit why not telling it? It only means Jung Je knew who the culprit is but that culprit has relation to him, or he indeed involved or connected to those killings, or he's just do that to protect his mom's reputation. We also get to know thaf Jung Je had to go to mental hospital right after the case happened, was he had mental break down and trauma, or he was sent there by his mom because he really has mental issues? Jung Je probably has some mental.problems (seeing and hearing things and at times he could not differ between the reality and imagination), So my wild guess is there's more than one culprit here.

And I just hope Dong Shik and Joo Won come to terms and start working together after clearing up the bad air between them. Even they have their own differences and motives, at least they have the same goal, to catch the murderer and to reveal the truth and to bring whoever involved in the killings, the cover ups, and the exploitations to justice.....

So yeaa it just getting weirder (in an interesting way) and exciting...as everything is revealed slowly and still making you confuse at times....but wait....there could be unexpected twist.....so let's just wait for it....

Ah i get what you mean. Well yeah small town where everybody knows everybody, and at times you'll find they aren't much differ with people in big cities when it comee to their own interest, like they seems to be very sweet and supportive in front of you, but backstabbing you at any given time to save their own selves. And they do take rumors as truth when it served their general "safety zone", we don't want trouble, we just want to have a quiet life, such thing never and should never happemed here, on and on and on....and surely the scapegoat always the typical "troubled" person. And by that category, whoever ever been in mental hospital must be the culprit. Such prejudices are not uncommon in small towns whem people just don't want their hands dirty with matters like crimes...everyone wants to be in the safe zone enjoying their same old same old lives

I said everyone (especially them who has the connection or related to Dong Shik) is suspicous, even LDS and HJW. And I tend to believe that LDS actually acting that way, showing such an erratic behaviour and making those expressions as if he's having some problems. He wanted everyone to believe what they wanted to believe about him while he's luring and chasing out the culprit. He's one complicated character, we can't even imagine what and how it feels to go through what he had to go through,his family literally destroyed because of the case, and he could stand back up and be a policw officer, is a big step he made and 20 years desperation is a very long time. I don't have prejudice against anyone character here, I mean everyone seems to have something or motive and that included LDS and HJW whatever background they have.

We have the same thoughts on things.

So let's see this mad little Manyang full of suspicious characters, too bad for Dong Shik these people are his family member (Min Jung's father the foster bro) and the others are his co-workers at the station. Investigating lady is Oh Ji Hwa, she also an old friend of Dong Shik and the sister of the Oh Ji Hoon the officer who leaked DS as suspect to the reporters. So we see it's like a messed up tangled web, everypne is trying to safe their pwn selves. Even Joo Won. But as you said both ML likely not the culprit. Someone else among these people is the killer and since there's another political interest involved, they all seems to be in it to cover up or to just having someone as scapegoat.

I think Min Jung is dead, and it is unclear where did Dong Shik got her fingertips, but they ran forensic test on the fingers to confirm the identity of the owner. My guess it, he found it on the bench of his house at the same spot his twin sister's finger tips were found, and he put there on a bench in Min Jung's house? Or it was just him imagining it like picturing it in his head if he's the culprit, because it's unclear whether it is his memory or imagining it when he's cleaning up the basement ?i might get it wrong but Dong Shik's character is really a grey character, we can't get it just by seeing it.

And it is also interesting to notice that the same incident happened after 20 years exactly when Dhong Sik is demoted back to Minyang and the appearance of Joo Won. To be exact the same incidents: they found the body of the woman (it was the illegal immigrany who was used by Joo Won to spy on Dong Shik) and after that Min Jung is missing and only her finger tips were exposed. Onr body to be displayed and the other body is hidden left only the finger tips. Like why Dong Shik 20 years ago and now? And how Dong Shik knows about the illegal woman and her relation to Joo Won, I guess it was Dong Shik who planted the phone of the woman in the mountain to be caught by dashcam Joo Won found. It's like he's masterminding those events, he knew Joo Won is on him, and is trying to catch him, and he knew Oh Ji Hoon will leak information, to the press, he let all those things happening as if he's expecting them to happen the way he want them to be. He almost look like a psychopath himself. He wanted the media attention that the police doing the same thing as 20 years ago, now they arrest an active duty police officer without a warrant the same thing they did to him 20 years ago, like he's back tracking everything, to look for the missing clues. There's definitely a serial killer there in that police station who knows Dong Shik well. And the killer is not just playing Dong Shik's feeling but more like challenging him, teasing him, enticing him to act. You know serial killers usually like the attention and lookinh for one, it is like playimh games catch me if you can, he leaves unclear clues, hints here and there, it will pissed them off if their crimes is credited to other, I think Dong Shik is playinh this game to lure the serial killer out, by take credit for crimes the real killer committed. It is risky move but the killer might fall into his trap. I think halfway in the middle both ML will have no choice but to work together since it will become more intense and life threathening.

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She was having a mental breakdown i think, I mean everything happened just too fast and she had to absorb it all at the same time, she was kidnapped from the hospital after delivering the baby, threathened and being told that Zo O killed het parents, it was all just too difficult to process for her. She's though person and she never showed that she easily trusting others. Her behaviour is understandable, and yes things she said to Zi O just hurtful, that is not because she trusted those bad guys or that that she didn't believe Zi O, I think she just afraid and her brain was just overloaded. She's afraid for the baby and at the same time wanted to protect her at all cost. She's afraid of Zi O also. She just doesn't know who to believe in anymore, and that is what sad about her if she's not just acting to deceive those bad guys. She's been too long doing everything alone and keep things to herself, the only sweet moments she ever had with Zi O only bring another fear to her....now she needs to fear for the three of them. She's just too afraid to believe Zi O even she wanted it too. The only thing Zi O can do or that captain who betrayed them do is to tell her the truth that her parents death has nothing to do with Zi O. And that the very people who accuse Zi O are the ones who killed her parents. Idk if it will be like that, but at some point she needed that truth in order for her to learn to depend on Zi O...but let's just see how it goes....

She knew that the baby has the same ability as Zi O, that the baby will survive the failling (the baby has that built in defense system to survive the fal, remember Zi O had that "fly" DNA in him), as we see the scene that before the baby hit the ground, she was hanging in the air by like supported by the invisible force), Gu Reum chose to throw her off the building because she was chased by the men in suit, and they all went up to the top of the building to get them, she wants her baby to be free, to live a normal life so she throw her off to buy time for the baby, as they all were at the top of the building and will be fighting her, no time to go down and get the baby. It is a better choice than to have her baby being taken from her to go through all the hell Zi O has been through. She actually sacrificing herself for the baby. Hoping the baby will survive and live on.

Ikr, I got the feeling that he's being fixed because the doctor actually trying to calm Zi O, and like motivating him to find out his true self (being a superhuman) in the room, even it was not a genuine compassion, Zi O was his first fruit of endless experiements, and of he would not just kill him like that followinf the orders of others, it just make sense for him to fix him so he could provide him with perfect clone, because of Zi O memory flaw is not fixed then it will be the same for the clones. So he must fix him and upgrading him by finishing the experiments that being put on hold for long years.

So I think/hope Zi O will survive. Because he is the original L.U.C.A and the main protagonist here.

Indeed, the story is so intense since the very first episode and we just arrived at episode 4 with so much wondering raking our brains, means this drama is engaging the audince to piece together the bits and pieces and hopefully it will maintain the excitement to the very end.

The psychopats usually don't show any remorse or guilt, and the cry usually a put on to cover up their real feeling inside...like a mask. This foster bro indeed showing all that "usual suspect" stereotype, like yea it might be him because usually the overly nice and kind character is the main evil one. It could be true also with this drama, he could be the crazy serial killer. Well it is just my selfish hope that this drama could break free from such type of characterization. And that foster bro indeed just a simple man who happened to be suspicious because of his too timid yet kind character. But well since we still in episode 4, it is too early to have such conclusive thought. There could be some twists here and there before we get to really get who's the real murderer.

The deal with Jung Je, he's Dong Shik old friend back in the day, he's suspicious because inspite of his providing the alibi for Dong Shik back then, and doing the exact same thing now, he probably doing it not out of friendship, but for his mother. Remember back in the day, her mom was running for being the congresswoman from Munju (Manyang is sub-distric of Munju, and they are from Manyang), at the time she promised to make her city to be free crime city and there's also prospect of redeveloping parts of Manyang wich of course bringing some personal profit into her pocket, but then those things happened, and Joo Won's dad also at the time the chief of Manyang sub-station, it would be a challenge to their career of they could not solve the case and even worse stain their clean sheet if the case wasn't solve, so they need to figure out a way to close the case as just a murder case and missing case separately, they have arrested Dong Shik but then he was released not just because there's no concrete evidence against him, it seems that they afraid that Dong Shik that he will say something in the trial, means that actually Dong Shik indeed at the night of the murder of the cafe girl and the missing of his sister has seen Jung Je doing something that is why Jung Je insisted on providing the alibi that he's with Dong Shik, while Dong Shik never once confirming that to be the case. And he keeps on showing up at Dong Shik's house to with a making up excuse to spend the night there as if he's trying to figure out what Dong Shik is up to, but he knows that Dong Shik didn't buy it. It is like a silent "I know what you did" agreement between them. He's kinda surprised to know that the case files of the cafe lady murder and Dong Shik's sister missing were missing, when Joo Won asked that but tried to play it cool by covering up for Dong Shik, because again we see him asking Dong Shik about that by coming directly to Dong Shik's house, it's like him confirming his own suspicious that Dong Shik is secretly investigating the case when he told Dong Shik that Joo Won know that both case files pages are missing. Then the scene where Dong Shik put back the pages. He looks like he's covering for Dong Shik in front of Joo Won but he might actually doing that to cover for himself more by keep Joo Won suspicion fixed on Dong Shik. He either do that for his mom's sake or under his mom order and also for himself. This is just my guess though....Jung Je is the cunning type here. And there's also that Ji Oh, he definitely knew that it wasn't Dong Shik that do that to Min Jung, still he leaked the information to the reporters and said even though he knew it wasn't Dong Shik, he wanted him to be arrested and be the culprit, he's aslo look like a cheerful and innocent young man but he's not. He even said that Joo Won provoking things in Manyang (and called it stupid town too), he's also seen things but like others prefer it to be blamed on Dong Shik, for what reson we are yet to know.

The killer seems to have something about nail art, an obsession that trigers him. And since the latest girl is actually the daughter of Dong Shik's foster brother then it means Min Jung is his foster niece, she adores Dong Shik but Dong Shik actually care for her like an uncle. And it must be hard and also mind wrecking for Dong Shik that these things only happened to his family members.
It is interesting that there are two crimes revealed at the same time, first the found of a dead woman then the missing of young woman leaving behind only finger tips. And it just so happened that the missing ones are his family members...that's one reason Min Jing father could be the suspect. Since he's related to both girls and Dong Shik.

I think Dong Shik is not the suspect, and that he intentionally act like that to confuse everyone since he's suspecting many of them. So he needed to act erratically so they couldn't figure out what's actually going on his head, he's playing with everyone like challenging game....making the suspect feels like he's safe and showing his true color....as Dong Shik said he to catch a monster you should become one...so we're having Dong Shik here play such a risky plot.

Aw look at how long this guessing game is....lol.

He is indeed suspicious and he's being too overly devoted in taking care of Dong Shik's mother, even Dong Shik said he doesn't have to do that. And he's kinda too nice and caring, and he's more interested in the well being of Dong Shik than worry about his daughter, is indeed strange, though his daughter finger tips was found he told Dong Shik like innocent man that his daughter will come back, knowing the fact that the same thing happened to twin sister who has been missing for 20 years presumably dead. And inspite of being good father, he kinda strict with his daughter appearance and activities/social interactions (she's expected to be a good studious and has a descent appearance and all while behind his back she's a wild one.

Well but it will also be too obvious if he's the suspect, I mean he could be just that kind of person, there's a scene where Dong Shik saw him actually crying and wishing his daughter to come back home, and that scene in the jail when Dong Shik was about to leave but came back telling him to not forget to eat good. I mean he could be just that simple person, who only care and think good of others.

But then, again, maybe Dong Shik just playing nice towards him the same way he did to Dong Shik, being nice in order to let his guard down.

Yet again, there are other suspicious characters also, even Dong Shik sometimes showing strange expressions...there's even a scene where he throw down his sister missing banner (if i'm not wrong) and it was him who planted the phone of the illegal immigrant who was being used by Joo Won, where did he got the phone? So this will be endless guessing game lol. But indeed it is intriguing and keeps you on the nerve every time...thrilling....let's just hope it doesn't go flat and end up too easy....

It is clever to put two different scenes in sequence at the first episode....the fallng of the baby and the Zi O waking up like that. The baby falling scene is a pointer to the possibility of another story which will begin with her parents story.

Well, since the 'father' of Zi O said that the more Zi O use his electric power, his parts of his brain cells also burnt especially the memory cells, yet when they got him back, he didn't kill him, he actually told him to run away and find the answer of a question of being superior human being? I think that doctor is deceiving everyone at the same time as working with/for them. He wanted Zi O back not just for harvesting his best cells/genes, but actually he fixed Zi O's problem while keep charging him with the hight voltage electric shock, guess what even Zi O still forgot lots of things happened to him and only has bit parts of memory prior to his getting caught again, after he got out of the lab second time, he didn't lose his memory, he remembered the name of the doctor, he remembered Gu Reum, he remembered Lee Son, and those people. He was being fixed actually and being told to survive,I guess the doctor never wanted to kill him as he is his first and perfected creation that is successful and since Zi O wasn't born out of the womb of a mother but actually from out of the jar, make him the more perfect proto sample and his daughter is born mutant, she has the power but also has inherited weaknesses also. So I think it is likely that Zi O will survive, Gu Reum likely to be dead and she would want it Zi O to protect the baby since he's the only one can. Of course I wanted it so much a good twist that Gu Reum will be saved by Zi O, it is so sad and tragic for her to have gone through so much lonely and painfully since a very young age to die without ever achieving her goal to know the truth of her parents death and to avenge them with her ow hands, to end up dead just like that. I really wish her to be alive and well and have a new start with Zi O and the baby.

But well if it's not end either way, there are only two persons left like you said the chief and that nice detective, it could be that chief though since he has more reasons to save the baby as atonement after all that he did to her parents.