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If you look at the casts list, they have updated the pregnant woman HH's wife met at the hospital as JBR's mother. So it is clear now that JBR was the one of the baby with psychopathic traits in him.

Azazel only mentiones 3 times in the book of leviticus as a scapegoat. A goat that send away the sins/iniquities/impurities away, but some translation indeed mentioned it as a name...to azazel (the goat was sent to azazel/for azazel). But that's it.

The idea that azazel is a name of fallen angel in christianity and islam came from the book of enoch not from the bible. Azazel was said to be fallen angel who introduced metal and its artwork also precious stones, etc.

Some rabbinical commentator of talmud mentioned that azazel is name of a demon, fallen angel, or pagam deity.

Idk how azazel is related to a goatman....but in bible it just a scapegoat nothing more nothing less.

But of course if you relate it to the worship of a goat deity it is not uncommon also in ancient near east.

Baphomet was never mentioned in bible fyr, it was a deity the knights of templar were accused of worshipping. In ancient times Egyptian worshipped called Mendes, and Greeks had Pan, Celts had Cernunnos,.etc. these are viewed by some christians who indeed view azazel as one to where the goat in leviticus was sent for, and the people who then worshipped the goatman is seen as antagonistic worship against the God of the bible.


The only half-animal half-human deity mentioned in Bible is Moloch...the Canaan god, bull headed man god.

Lol sorry for long comments not related to the drama at all...but again my point is whatever thing the goat is represented here in the drama and how it tried to relate it to bible even as a false worship...has no biblical basis....

Idk why people keep using man made view or stuff like goatman and relating it to bible all the time...

But well maybe this drama just yeah portraying some sick belief of a person playing god....

Azazel means scapegoat. It was one of a pair of goat used in biblical levitical offerings. The pair of goats chosen with specific requirement, one to be offered as blood sacrifice - i.e to be killed, the other one to be released into wilderness as a scapegoat - to be let alive. This scapegoat is one to replace the community to bear their iniquities, sins, and impurities.

Idk if the killer using something he/she doesn't know about to justify his/her murder. There are many twists being showed and talked about, but the twists and perversion on biblical verses/passages are never been explained or pointed out....it is kinda unfair because many serial killers or murderers in many kdramas always using biblical verses as if those verses promoting or enforcing such twisted ideas.

Well it could be real too, I mean he failed again and again to catch the killer and now a child's life is on stake broadcasted nationally. Maybe the kid died? And he just got shocked and in total desperation?

But I prefer it like you said...it's a set up.

Even I don't believe SYH is a killer but it seems like his mom is afraid of him or tryinh hard to believe he's not a killer.

BR is too typical if we want to have a suspicious character, like in most dramas where psycho-killer hiding behind such timid yet overly kind and nice mask. He might be psychopathic but we're too early also to guess that he's a serial killer.

We still have KMC's bro, KMC's partner the son of presidential candidate...even ep 5 preview could be a total shock for us in regards of BR...I really wish he's not that typical psycho-killer....why?because they said this is different from the usual/typical drama of this genre.

And the kid he watched on TV just so happened to be kid that being kidnapped. The lady is his aunty.

If you watched carefully the scene where the girl was about to check on into the car, we are shown one person was behind the wheel. The girl was facing the wheel/driving seat when she called for the person but then a hand grabbed her neck and tossed her out of the car from the back seat, as if he was hiding there all along. Remember HH said about hunting, it's seems like his hunting time is when it's snowy. My opinion is that he is somehow related to Hong Joo, that night he was in the car with Hong Joo. He could be the one causing the car to be slipped off, Hong Joo was ok and he pretended to be wounded too and asked Hong Joo to ask for help? Or could it be that he was threathening Hong Joo to go for the girl in exchange for letting her alive?as he already targeting the girl as a prey in that very spot? Well one thing for sure is that Hong Joo related to HH in one or another way which we have to wait for Hong Joo's side of story to be revealed in next episodes.

I think HH as a serial killer only has his specific kind of targets. Like he only killed people with certain age and gender? He didn't kill young girls? Or could it be that he's threathening her to go for the girl in exchange for her life? Because he's target was indeed that girl all along? His perfect hunting time indeed in heavy snowy night.

What bother's me is the fact that KMC's bro didn't die that night while his parents died, he was brutally attacked to death. I don't think HH made mistake in his killing spree. The only mistake he made that night was (it wasn't really a mistake but he's not aware) that there were two kids at the time instead of one, when he was observing the family, he only saw three persons, while KMC was asleep on his mom's lap. He attacked KMC's bro brutally but calculatively to keep him alive in certain physical condition (remember he's a very good surgeon). So I think he's creating psychopath killer (male like him) in one or another way, either by having direct descendant or by such traumatic brutal attack that left physical and psychological scars forever.

We saw how indifference KMC is toward his bro for forgiving HH for all the brutal murder of his family. KMC shows a more natural reaction to that specific traumatic event in his childhood i.e anger and harboring grudge against HH and also all the murderers in general. KMC's bro was a child too that time, it's really hard to deal with it especially you were the victim, remember KMC was a witness but he hold such a grudge...his bro was a victim, so it's a bit strange to see him all forgiving and letting it all go. Well it could be the case since he's being a priest now, but a priest is human being after all. He must have a specific spiritual experience to make him able to overcome such horrific childhood trauma. But then again, we're still in early episodes, we haven't get to see his story too to be able to even guess his character.

One other thing for sure is SYH might be Jae Hoon, because his mom was shown to recall the event when she choked Jae Hoon on the past for almost burrying his bro alive.

I do also think that SYH is not a killer, though he's that young Jae Hoon. The problem is we are shown the scene of Jae Hoon'a step dad died and also the two siblings hiding in the closet. It was shown as if Jae Hoon killed them just because he was shown saying some things in the church. But if we watched carefully also, he was at the bottom of the stairs and his father's position was head down at the bottom of the stairs, indicating that he was falling head down the stairs being stabbed to death. Jae Hoon was just standing there watch him, then took the knife out of his father's chest (step father) and walking upstairs slowly. So he might not murdering his step father, because we saw him hurting himself as a way of supressing his anger, he indeed killing his father's beloved pets, and trying to scare his little bro. But that's as far as he could go. Of course the scene when he was in the church....we are led to believe that he had killed his family, but well it could not be the case. He was set free after that remember, how could a 11 yo child committing perfect murders without leaving any evidences while it was shown him walking up the stairs leaving bloody steps on the stairs? Could it be someone was murdering his family members? (Could it be KMC's bro?) Idk but he doesn't seem to hide himself. He's cold and kinda give a suspicious vibe but he's not hiding behind some masks, even as a child. But it is interesting also that we are shown that Dr.Lee noticed how his mom's hand shaking when she said "Dr. Lee you were wrong"....she was rubbing a dog similar to
Jae Hoon's father's dog.

Ba Reum is the most suspicious one because he's the one seemed too kind, too nice and to innocent indeed, but we couldn't be sure also, as he might be a psychopath, but being a psychopath doesn't necessarily means he's a serial killer though. We haven't get to his background as well, his childhood and upbringing, or if he's a serial killer what triggers him to be one? We are still far away from having a clear look on the characters and their background story.

Well he could be, remember he recklessly took the coffee sachet - evidence, he was running somewhere (possibly to pantry to make coffee for Hong Joo?) How then he came back to find a coffee on KCM's table of all places? It seems like an accident but well to me it looks suspocious, not to mentoon his father is a prominent figure, he's the only child, but he's very dedicated low rank detective? It could be the case, but the typical only child-whose existence was expected for about 10 years by the parents- is a spoiled one. He being a low rank detective still show how spoiled he is with all the expensive stuff he has. Remember also when he said he didn't like the car seat to get wet when KCM handed over a handkerchief to BY. He seemed to be very neat and clean person in contrast with KMC.

But well all that does not necessarily means he's a killer, he's suspicious but we don't have any motives or back story yet for him to make a theory if he's a psychopat killer. He just seemed out of the place...like not cut out to be a police detective.

If you watch ep 7 carefully, you might get the idea why DS behave like that, before the event with his partner at RIU, i think he's one that stricrly abide by the legal procedures, he's very careful in dealing with criminals, that is to have/get enough concrete evidencea and credible witness before arresting a suspect. And that's what makes his personal investigation leada to nowhere for 20 years. In the talk in the car with his partner, he's very bothered and even named his partent "burden" because his partner has very different way of thinking in dealing with certain criminals especially serial rapist and killer. They both giving their respective reasonable reason. If they use illegal means to have the evidence and using that to arrest the culprit then by all those can't be use in the court and if they insisted on that, the judge will sided with the criminal according to the law, making the criminal a victim, that according to DS will make the family of the victims suffer even more, and that the criminal will be acquited of the crime, now if one is aqcuited of crime you could not charged him again later for the same crime when all evidence and witnesses are available. His partner insisted that no matter what means used they must stop the criminal for keep going on committing crimes, especially that particular criminal they both surveiling that night. His partner was so emotional about it and impliying that they must take the law in their hands and kill that man even it means they both will face charges, and then that happened that naive young partner left him behind and chasing the man, ended up being shot, and even on his last breath he asked DS to kill the man once and for all stopping him. DS first just wanted to arrest the man but what the man said really opened his eyes, this man know how to deal with the law, since it was his partner that chasing him out of nowhere without warrant and no witness to what happened, he could easily said it was a self defense, and that of course DS and his dead partner also will be blamed for violating the procedures. That means his dead partner died for nothing. Though his way of thinking is not in line legal procedures, his partners has reasonable point of view, such criminal must be stopped at all cost and when you know and sure that he is the criminal, that's all what you need to deal with him, you can't wait for evidence or witness to catch him while he's out there committing more and more crimes, creating more and more victims and bereaved families. I think at that point when he beat that man to death, something is awaken in him. He's a changed man from that moment on. That is why he said to the chief, if you want to catch the monster you must become one. He didn't go doing as what his partner do, but in his own way.

So what he did that time, i believe he lied in his report about what actually happened that night to cover up for his dead partner and took the blame, because if he told them the truth, his partner died as someone who break the law, it will be a stain his record. So DS possibly took the blame and as a result being demoted and that's what being said on his record that adding up the suspicion on him by JW when he did background check on him.

Being demoted and sent back to Manyang is what DS wanted, so he could do his own secret investigation on his sister and BJS (cafe girl) case. He behave like that on purpose, to cover up himself from rising the suspicion of the culprit. It was all planned to trap the killer and he couldn't tell anyone because it's a small town and their small substation always have that night dinner together with friends from Munju station, you know words spread faster and the ones that aware of his secret investigation might only be the chief and JJ. He couldn't risk making the culprit aware of his investigation. He makes everyone confuse and even went so far as to make everyone to suspect him, to distract the culprit, you know serial killer like to play game to mock the police just to provet that they are superior than others, and they won't let anyone to take credit for their crime, it is insulting to them...so what DS did was playing that game, taking the credit,to provoke the culprit to make mistake and fall into his trap. But then JW came to Manyang and not hiding his intention to catch DS too. Since JW is the son of the very man who closed the case of his sisterand BJS cases 20 years ago as missing person and unsolved murder, DS couldn't trust him even more, he tried to discourage JW from investigating further by using that illegal woman so JW would go back to Seoul, misleading JW and making him confusing, all to his own inconvenience because JW is a persistent person and very good at annoying him and the rest of the members of Manyang substation.lol, but yea they slowly get to have an understanding, JW in all his confusion about DS behaviour managed to understand that DS might not be the suspect at all, but he's covering up for someone, but that still not clear up his suspicion on him. And after all the his own investigation about the chief deleting the cctv near JM minimarket records, he still wants to arrest DS for what he did with MJ fingertips. DS not just breaking the laws, he could be considered accomplice. They still not trusting each other, but has mutual understanding now. Even JW still can't fathom why DS doing all that.

I don't think DS suspecting JM until that faithful night, he had known him for a long time, and JM is his foster bro and MJ is like his own niece. JM visit his mom and taking care of her almost daily. I think even JM didn't realise it DS was challenging him when he came to visit DS in jail and bring him food. DS refused his food and get back to tell him to "eat well". JM realised it until very late when DS texted him as MJ. DS couldn't be blamed for not finding MJ. He searched the whole place for her body that night, he couldn't find it. And telling them police will only mean he will be excluded from the case and the most important thing is as it turned out to be, they don't have the body because JM will not say a word and that means the case will be closed as missing person case again like his sister. He couldn't let that happened. And that text thing with MJ's phone really smart I think, JM indeed fall into his trap. Now I don't think DS endagering JY's life also, it was JY's own choice and he with heavey heart must respect her choice, JY somehow already knew/suspected JM and she even knew that JM will make her as suspect. DS actually didn't know that JM will come to JY first but he acted quick to have JJ saving her and has JW to arrest JM. He didn't arrest JM himself but make JW to arrest JM. Why because they think JM also the culprit from 20 years ago. If that is the case, then if he arrested JM there will be problem of interest on his part.

The preview of next episode indeed a wow....there will be another crazy twist. I thought that the most unsuspected one usually the most dangerous one.

Now with the previw, JM commit suicide in his cell in spectacular way leaving the message in blood, he didn't kill DS sister, now it's how he wrapped up his crazy game since DS outsmarted him.

Now that JM is not the killer of the case from 20 years ago. We are left with JJ as the most suspicious one. But I havethe feeling that the chief is more suspicious than JJ. He seemed to cover up for DS without even tell him. As if he felt guilty toward DS for his fault in the past. It seemed genuine but why he had to go that length risking his own carier, he's about to retire yes but if he's trying to help DS, why not telling him? What he actually trying to do with deleting records of cctv? He's really suspicious.

And yea we'll have to wait until next episode to know what JY found out about the chief. My guess is, he could be the killer back then, and JM might know about it. Now he deleted that cctv records near JM minimarket is because he knew JW will investigate the records and deleting them with excuse to cover up for DS would only make DS more suspicious in JW's eyes, and he was present as well when interogating JM, I guess he's there to intimidate JM, but who knows....he could be just someone trying to do the right thing before retiring.

Lol I like DS for his endurance, he's creepy yes and evem suspicious too, in ep 1 he's really had that cold eye staring at that cafe girl and said "see you later" with a weird smirk. He got upset because that girl compared him with his twin sis. And that very night she was murdered and DS sister went missing. So yea he's creepy and suspicious lol. But that's what make his character interesting. You can't read into his character. JW character in the other side, is more typical. He's complicated yes, I guess even more compicated than DS but his seriousness and arrogance and cold and all is typical. While DS is a total grey character, that's what I like about that creepy DS, he's just unusual and not that typical.

I said JM as second ML because he's number two in character list. But for their roles in the drama as I said both ML have strong characters (I mean their characters as DS and JW) DS has strong character and so is JW, they are uniquelly and equally strong in their own way, that's why I said it is not unusual that people tend to have bias...one is more liked and the other got more critics (not about the actors but their characters as DS and JW respectively).

Let's just wait for next episode and see what's surprise will we get ;)

I also talk about the character and about the actor well I've seen him once in other drama and he's good, i mean he could play different characters very well.

I just replied to another comment complaining abouy his character. I disagree of course, as you said he's even more invested in the case than DS, and his persistence that I think some people called a nuisance.

He came there with conviction that DS is the culprit because of the text, remember he told the lady, if you see the man in the pic (he meant DS), then she should text him 1. And she did tex him many 1 the day she was murdered. Even before that, his investigation concerning missing illegal migrants worker as prostitutes somehow lead to DS. And when he came there DS strange behavior and action and words making it complicated and everyone else too seemed to have prejudice against him just because of his father and his educational back ground. They don't like him as much he suspicious of them.

And also the complaint about him taking all the credits, I don't see him taking the credits for anything. I think it was hia father who wanted that, but not JW himself. I think DS also don't care about that much, because all they wanted is to find his sis body and catch the killer. If the case if reopened, DS will not be able to be involved in it because he's family and that he was once the suspect. So it was better to have JW investigating the case and get the credit fairly than having the case handed over to others who might have the case closed again as cold case. DS would not want that, and that now he get to understand and know better of JW, he'll take JW offer to help him catching the killer of his sis and find his sis body. So idk why the bashing of his character as JW here....he's the 2nd ML but his character is as strong as ML...that is why some might find his character annoying since he keeps making things uncomfortable for DS and the others...lol if DS character is the second, I think many will also find him very annoying with all his strange behaviour...lol.

But tbh I love DS character here...JW character is good but he's too serious young man lol....

You missed the point that everyone has prejudice against him because he came from Seoul and of his father, they do everything to stop him investigating the case. It is true that he's barking at the wrong tree but he did everything based on justified conviction (at least from his own view). He was investigating the case of those illegal migrants case, many who work as prostitutes died and their bodies are not found, we don't get the whole pic yet to make a theory why he won't back down suspecting DS even it turned out DS isn't the criminal he's looking for. But at some point the investigation lead to DS (who at the time works in RIU, he actually killed a serial killer suspect at ep 7) - DS might not explain too why he's partner died that night, because both them violating the rules, they supposed to watch the man, not to confront him and his partner left without him. He might decided not to tell them that caused him to be demoted to Manyang to his favor - something his partner said actually wakes him up as because of following the procedures he couldn't catch the one who did that to his sister and who knows how many women out there for 20 years. So JW only had what's being said on the paper about DS and since his investigation somehow leading them to DS as most plausible suspect, JW must have had back ground check on DS and his track record, in the past DS wasn't release because he wasn't proven guilty, but because of the lack of evidence and the alibi provided by JJ. So in his perspective DS is suspect until he's proven otherwise.

JW is a very thorough detective, he followed every lead, now someone must have done something so convincing that lead JW investigating team to suspect DS even before he was in Seoul. Or something must have happened. Now the illegal migrant woman who was killed...JW really regreted it, and it makes him even determined to catch DS at all cost, why? Because the text that woman sent to him. He was very explicit when telling her to text him 1 if she saw DS, and he got so many 1 the day that woman went missing.
So being a detective and also guilty driven toward that woman, he had to catch DS at all cost, that's based on information he had at hand. Not because he's a reckless detective who just barking at wrong tree.

And he must have that story behind his outeward cold arrogant looking. But people at Manyang station also not helping at all. They didn't welcome him and they didn't want him to investigate anything, DS even tried to stop him every time. Now they all seemed to gang up against him, no wonders he became even more suspicious of every one of them. He was naive and at times too confident of himself and his ability, but that's not a reason to bash his character, every one has their shortcomings too.

Another thing, even when he barked at wrong tree because of he indeed sometimes too rush in making decision, he also quick to realise his mistake and not dwelling in frustration, he keeps looking,keeps searching, keeps investigating. I think what you called nuisance is his persistent effort to dig out DS. It's DS constant playing cat and mouse with him that keeps him coming back to bother him. They started out suspicious at each other, not trusting each other and wanting to get rid of each other, but at one point when they argue about the illegal migrant woman, DS found out JW wasn't like his father, he also not someone relying of his father reputation, so was JW, even he was confusing with DS actions and behavior, he slowly getting him, so they have some understanding at each other and it slowly develop.

So I he's not a being nuisance but being persistent and insisting....and that's not something wrong being q detective, he has his reasons doing that and even if he's barking at the wrong tree, he does not do that for no reason. He's young and well sometimes naive but well if his character is well fit for being DS partner....

He didn't take all the credit for himself. One DS doesn't care about reporters and public view on who's getting who. The thing is from law perspective, DS in fact couldn't lead the interogation because he is considered family with MJ as victim and also his sister case. And as it was JW who came to Manyang to investigate the case despite their obvious refusal of him, he somehow became part of their 'family' and it is better to have him on the face and get all the credit (that means his current station) than to have the cases handed over to another division, they want it to be solved there in Minju not in Seoul and by others. JW doesn't want that too but his father who wanted that. JW also does not look like someone who want to take the credit for himself, he sees media as tools not the other way round. He even offered to help DS so I don't think he will take all the credits.....

Agreed, I mean why bashing the actor? He didn't write his character and play it too and we still in ep 8. Imo his character is complicated one, more complicated than DS. Though DS character is confusing and complicated but he's not a cold person nor mysterious. JW character is layered, there must be a story behind his character, he might seem to be annoying sometimes but it's justified because he came there with conviction that DS is a serial murder and he took every thing serioisly, a determined person. There must be story as to why he has his personality and that might related to his father or even to the case 20 years ago.

Imo the actor is doing a great job portraying a cold, arrogant and confident character and at the same time you can see pain and regret in his eyes, and you can tell he has a good heart behind all his out look. So the bashing is just unfair but understandable, you got two very strong character MLs here and people tend to be bias toward one and against the other. Lol.

Wow just finished ep 8. Indeed this it's been a wild ride turninh crazy.

While some guesses turned out to be wrong, some are close to be right too.

The possibility of other killer could be true now since JM hinted it by telling DS he didn't kill his sister. He's a mental case indeed but his killing spree might started after the murder of Mr.Bang's daughter (the cafe girl) and DS' sister. He did kill all those women who happened to be escort ladies with the exception of JY's mom who accidently caught him in the act of murdering a prositute in his mini blue van. He justified his killing of JY's mom because she was out on the street late at night and dressed up. Now it's clear his mo with finger tips is due to those kind of fingers triggered him, the prostitutes with nail polished fingers pointed at him insulting and belittling him. One of that prostitute said something that he's being deceived by his escort lady wife who deceived and used him to take care of baby MJ, MJ's mom was pregnant and told him that it was his baby because she wanted the baby to be raised up far from her environment I think, that is why she left him. But unbeknown to her that she left her baby with someone with psychopath trait in him. He only killed those women who insulted him and in the search for MJ's mom to kill her, MJ's treatment of him and threathen to leave him only trigered him and enraged him because he found out MJ's mom alredy dead. But these victims of his serial killing share the same feature with the killing of 20 years ago. The nail polished finger tips. He could be a copy cat killer but this is where the story takes an interesting turn.

In ep 1, first scene of 20 years ago showing JM in his blue minivan sending flowers to the church where DS' sister was rehearsing for a church service related to DS sister late grandma. And later on I forgot which episode we got to see JM was sitting up from Church bench. Could that be that JM liked DS sister? But she didn't have the same feeling for her. She liked to have her nail polished, that's why JM also turn to escort lady who usually also has nail being polished. Well that cafe girl (Mr.Bang's daughter) also has her nail polished.

We get to see the preview of next episode, DS mom wakes up and said something about please don't kill her daughter. Besides DS it was JM who almost daily visiting her and even taking care of her uninvited or being asked to. So during all the years JM must have said things to her when he was alone with her.

But he told DS he didn't kill DS's sister, and he also didn't say a thing about the cafe girl. The onese he killed were those escort ladies (included the illegal migrant sent by JW) because she must recognize JM and thought that he was a police because he must have asked to her about his wife.
Since his game ended not the way he expected, he might wanted to turn the table by playing with DS pysche. Saying he didn't kill DS's bro but then said that he would tell DS where her body is burried if DS brought MJ's mom to him. But then because DS didn't grant his demand, he wanted DS to suffer even more in a game over by killing himself rather than having DS and the police beating him lose (it is a game for him). It will be a loss for him that they caught him and they're all in in allowing illegal interogation. So he killed himself telling DS he didn't kill his sister. He wishpered to DS that he knew it was DS who placed the fingertips in front of his minimarket (that one make DS a suspect too, since he won't give any statement if he killed MJ). And that's exactly what JW thought why DS did that and he said he will catch DS for that, JW is such a straight A detective.

But the question is why JM said that to DS?about placing the fingers in front of the minimarket? Could he was reminding DS about the past also? What happened in the past and who put the finger tips on the bench?

If you watch ep 1 carefully, DS was seen as good for nothing compared to his twin sister. The cafe girl had that teasing arguments with him telling him to go out of the cafe, but then she said something that actually made DS angry, comparing him to his twin sis. He actually gave her a cold stare for few seconds then said "see you later" then left. What he meant by saying that to her? Did he knew who the person that will go out to the movie with that girl?and that they will meet up again later that night? The night his sister went missing, she was texting DS about he'll be in trouble when he comes back home and he texted her back saying he doesn't want to go back home that night and asked her to come out. If I'm not wrong when she went down the street that night it seems that she heard strange sound like a scream in the reeds beside the road?and then the street light began to dim out while she sped up walking where exactly she went out to that night if not to meet with DS?
And it seems like she already knew the place to come to because the text didn't tell the place yet she went out anyway when it's late night, walking down the street all alone.

So what really happened that night?did the killer get his sis in her midway to him? Who the guy cafe girl was so excited to go to the movie with? It couldn't be JJ because and DS are younger than them (the girl was angry because DS wasn't using honorary with her and calling him boy). Who killed her?and she was found next morning in the reeds beside the road where DS sis heard the strange sounds (it sounds like screaming but also like a creaking sound of engine, idk). JM could be telling the truth about not killing DS sister, and he also might not be the one killed the cafe girl, since his victims were buried while the cafe girl body was exposed above ground.

JJ indeed now the most suspicious one. But it's also strange that DS seemed to trust him with saving JY and even asked him to take pic of JM wife from his confiscated wallet. Something must have happened that fateful night. DS seemed to be a rebelious one that time, it's either DS knew something about JJ but as friends trying to cover up for him. As JJ said to his mom to leave DS alone because DS is his only friend. What was JJ's secret that DS knew about? Why JJ even provide an alibi for DS twice without being asked and DS also never confirmed if he's really with JJ. Now if looking back at ep 1, DS also suspicious. JJ could be the murderer but where he hid the body ?and we are yet to have the background story to make a guess of his motive. Or he could really was with DS that night doing something? So now when we think every hints pointed towardS JJ but I'm not sure about it yet. If he's the killer DS must have suspected him long time ago and might be even catch him. So yea......we might have some more twists available to shock our minds.

It's like a roller coaster of wild guessing lol....

Let's just hope JW will not arresting DS for any crimes :D and they become good awkward partners lol.

Whoaaaa ep 7 really blows up my mind. Now we get to understand why DS behave that way, it's because of his partner in RIU who died, and DS actially killed that serial murderer and as result being demoted and sent back to Manyang. That time DS realised that following standard procedures sometimes means you'll never be able to catch the murderer even if you knew who that person is, if you have no concrete or valid evidences or witnesses to be used against the murderer in the court of law. And that means the murderer can continue the killing and there will be more victims and famiies who will suffer the way his own family had gone through.That is why even after 20 years he still couldn't cath the serial killer who kill his sister and all the women back in Manyang. And his late partner argument though against the law, means he must stop the killer at all cost, even it means they will have to face the law themselves. And that is why he said to the chief, that to catch a monster you must be a monster. And all the things he did was indeed a set up because he knew the law, he couldn't be indicted again for the same crime if he was once indected but acquited due to lack of evidence. It's just so wow...how he set a bait to lure out JM. JM didn't see it coming, he was so confidence that the police are all morons, but he never suspected DS can outsmart him. JM really beyond evil, like he hid Jae Yi's mom hair pin in the piece of meat? For 20 years? I got goosbumps all over. This episode is just WOW...

Even now the chief revealed to be deleting the cctv facing JM shop, he must be feeling really guilty towards DS and his family for what happened 20 years ago, and wanted to make it up to Ds by going to that extent before his retirement comes.

JJ is still suspcious, if he's not hiding something he must be a really loyal friend. I mean wow they protected their own in Manyang substation. It something that JW must learn to adapt to now lol.

I'm really excited to know what makes JM do what he did, even to his own daughter, it's really disgusting.

I still think there's more to the case that what's shown so far. The cover ups, and possible another killer (that chairman keeps sayinh killing, he act more like a gangster than a businessman), it's like a messy web...

It's been a wild ride with this drama....lol reading up the long comments of guesses is like wow...i mean we could make a version of story out of the many guesses lol....

But I'll be disappointed if they will not telling us JW's story too. If DS has his background story, JW must also has one that causing him to be like he is.

Well, see you again after next episode :)

There's one come to mind with MC being a famous personality turned out to be cold blooded murderer called trap. It's only 7 episodes, you can look it up, well the rating is not as good as this, but it's very interesting drama about how intelligent the MC putting up a masterful scheme to trap everyone into believing he's a victim of a serious crime. Turned out he made up an elaborate story to cover up his murder and even hurt himself badly to make his scheme works...

I heard comments that said that the actor said something that implying that this drama will be different than the usual kdrama of thia genre. Let's just see how it goes...we just get to see 4 episodes and with that we already saw many of suspicious characters and tangled story line that makes you wish time flies fast to next episode :)

It might be true, I mean the HH at that time didn't kill him and he also didn't kill the girl ( young CHJ). He didn't murder them for a reason, to cause a strong ptsd enough to trigger psychopathic behavious maybe? HH wanted to procreate a baby who inherit his psychopatic trait, like he knew what he's doing. He wanted to create persons like him either by having his own biological child or through such horrifying method. He tortured KMC's bro horribly but making sure he will survive with a severe trauma.

We see him growing up being a priest, saying he forgive HH for all that he did to his parents and himself, and being super nice and caring priest. Something is just off about it. I mean you experience all that at such a young age, if not going through long period of time of counseling to deal with PTSD, all the nightmares and stuffs, really unlikely to grow up just fine, except he's really had that spiritual experience that helped him cope with his brokeness physically and psychologically. But we don't get to see his story yet. KMC showed a more natural way of behaviour being someone who watched with his own eyes the murder of his very own family. His anger and determination to make HH to pay for the crimes with his own hands.

But of course he could turn out to be just someone with a good tender heart that just wanted to protect his younger bro as his mom fulfilling his mom final request. He had done that before and he just doesn't want his brother to live up his life with revenge and endless rage....he loves his brother why would he did all that to torture his bro even more?

It is interesting though how his fingers are like that after the operation. I mean it feels like HH had carefully calculating that if his fingers being operated they wil be like that.

The trailer for ep 5 is just chilling because we just get to see thrilling change in JBR expression...could he be the real kidnapper and murderer or he's being trapped by SYH to see if he's the other baby his mom (SJE) talked about, the baby who has the psychopathic dna like him?

It's getting interesting.....

Do you mean detective Shin, KMC's partner? It's just revealed that he's the son of the assembly chairman Shin. Back then during the proposal of new bill concerning terminating pregnancy of baby with psychopathic DNA, it was his father final vote that dropping the bill against the expectation from his party (being the same party of the president). He said he and his wife been waiting for 10 years to have the baby so he would not give up the baby in case their baby having the psychopathic dna then they will have to abort him, that is why his dad gave the final decisive vote against that bill. Now we don't know if detective Shin being the third baby (conceived about the same time with HH's wife, and the other lady? had being tested for that psychopatic dna or not?but I think he did, because there was a scene were Dr.Lee handed over an envelope to someone in the black sedan when HH's wife were getting the result as well.

Now he's being the son of rich politician who's about to run for presidency is abit strange, why would he be a low rank police officer while he could enjoy a high life with his background? Kinda suspicious indeed.

Yea, idk why many people think that main lead character should always be a protagonist. In Trap Lee Seo Jin is the main lead character, and he singlehandedly masterminding a crime he thought to be perfect crime even hurting himself to make everyone believe he's the victim. It's a very different story from Times though. My point is that there is a vibe here that the character Jin Woo will stand opposite with Jung In, out of grudge against his brother's unjust death. We don't know yet here if Jung In father's indeed responsible for Jin Woo's brother's death indirectly or directly, if he's not someone his daughter believes he is, and if that Young Joo has a justified reason to committ all that crimes against Seo Ki Tae.

Young Joo seemed to be the one manipating and exploiting Jin Woo now and that he let her doing that even he didn't seem to trust her fully. It just shocking that he believe her instantly just by hearing the recording and didn't even wonder how smoothly he got the "evidences". He did investigate but he already has his prejudices thus losing his objectivity along the way.

Jung In on the the other hand started off being subjective, as she believed his father as good person and go to such length to save him over and over again but along the way she began to realise there's more to it than simple murder attempt against her father that lead to investugating Jin Woo's murder as well. She's very persistent person, and she shows that many times, even persistent to ask Jin Woo's friends to help when they hated her because of Jin Woo's bro case they believed her father was the killer. Even when her phone eventually will breaking, she's persistent to find out the truth even it means facing Jin Woo who sees her as the daughter of a murderer. Why Jin Woo can be persistent to believe his bro killed by Seo Ki Tae and believed Young Joo that easily, while not willing to believe the words of a person with gun pointed at his head?he said to him it isn't over and then in 2020 he came as presidential candidate? I mean why he believed others who tried to kill him easily? While not listening to someone who prevented him from being killed? After hearing the words from Ki Tae why he insisted to destroy his candidacy?

He's a journalist and so did Ki Tae before getting into politics, he must know that Ki Tae's track record and his own bro's words who wanted to be like Ki Tae the politician? I think the recording could be real not fabricated, but it could be tampered with, a.k.a like voice cut and paste, putting together pieces of sentences from different conversation into one on the part of Ki Tae's. Or it could be real conversation recorded but there's incomplete conversation, because there's no explanation given by Ki Tae but warning him to not go public with the documents,it sounded like a threat but it could be a warn to the brother that they both being trapped by someone. And it is indeed the case because it was all a trap set up by Young Joo for that rival whose reputation destroyed by Ki Tae. Jin Woo insisted to destroy both Jung In and Ki Tae and join hands with Young Joo is like what the heck...you fell into trap that easily and you called yourself a journalist...ugh....

I just hope Jung In could reverse it all or that they will be back to work together in unveling the truth after the situation with Jin Woo's brother's death and its connection with Ki Tae are cleared up between them.

We still have many episodes to go lol....

Same here, can't wait to see it...counting down hours :P

Ikr. There's not even romance tag in this drama, the guy saw the girl as a little sister, the girl secretly has crush on the guy, the granny knowing she's too old now while her grand daughter has a trauma, she wanted the guy to protect her grand daughter later on, she never said they should be married while the daughter still in high school....and even worse asking police officer to break rules at that. Granny expected that one day they will be married not now. And what's wrong with 18 yo has crush on mid 20 guy, it's not like they're in relationship anyway. And it is not illegal too if that is the case with the story and that is not moraly questionable as well because the girl is already in her legal age and reached her age of consent as well...she has right to marry if she wants to at 18 and if she consent to it in case of being asked to. Though not many girls nowadays want to marry that early, but 18 is the minimum age of consent as well i think in many Asian countries.