Xiang83

Yo, I have included this comment of yours in the forum post of "Group Collective Contributions: Details, trivia, insights across 40 episodes of "Whispers of Fate" at:
https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146454-group-collective-contributions-details-trivia-insights-across-40-episodes-of-whispers-of-fate

Thank you for your contributions :)

The role of A-Shui didn't call for stretching of acting chops, and writing of this character for the drama was weak. The overall impression speaks of trying to insert romance and tropes for the sake of a subplot that didn't work out. That's why understandably (this does not apply to trolls), anyone who downrates this drama when misled is either upset that the romance isn't enough or they have their reasons for not liking the drama.

International versus Domestic is fundamentally different for good reasons, especially at times like these. How highly rated is "Fangs Of Fortune" on MDL versus the reality domestically?

If it were up to international viewers, there would never be the likes of "The Knockout", "Whispers of Fate", "The Guardians", "This Thriving Land" etc because of insistence on romance first/ claiming anything seemingly pro-CCP is propaganda etc- When a country's population is more than 1 billion and there is censorship to ensure certain standards, it protects the local industry and maintains a certain minimum quality (although one could argue that the censors should lighten up on certain aspects. Hello, 皓衣行? 烽火流金?)

Without the Hays Code, the Golden Age of Hollywood died. How popular are modern Hollywood movies globally, versus C-Dramas and movies internationally?

I believe the mature viewers who enjoy strong plots and characterisation without needing romance MUST make our support more visible for dramas like these. Watching SLY was like being a kid in a candy store. I'm sorry you had to keep assuring your friends.

WoF is the drama 徐克 would have made if he did dramas, only he'd end any allusions to unnecessary romance much faster. In his movies of the 1980s and 1990s, he knew how to weave a story using romance to move the plot. Of course, his short romances tended to end tragically, but the actors and actresses were tops and made his movies memorable.

I know people will say this drama recalls the colourscapes of "Hero" by Zhang Yimou. Yes, for the first three episodes. The blues and reds at the Citadel of Swords actually reminds me of certain scenes involving the actor 郑少秋 and actress 林青霞 in《新蜀山劍俠》from 1983, especially the significance of the verbal exchanges and the duel in episode 8.

I can see the inspirations of the 1980s which influenced the creators of WoF. Saint Seiya anime of 1986 became a global hit, which one remembers and sees in Tang Lici's golden armour and the symbolism. Voltron ie mechanical Qilin controlled by Qiaoyi Qiankun was actually based on the Japanese super mecha anime "Beast King GoLion" of 1981 and 1982. Episode 15 with the Stars War reference in the desert recalls the second installment of the Stars Wars movie franchise that aired in 1980.

FYI, I reckon there is one account user on this page who also has at least three sockpuppet accounts that already appeared on this page. I also have to point out that it's more than a bit sad when someone has multiple accounts to increase the likes on personal comments, but to each their own.

It's been very wonderful for me despite any flaws, with the theatrical approach, literary references, allusions to opera, and the art! Without the philosophy, it wouldn't resonate so much.

One day, someone probably needs to give a good overview of how WoF did with the metrics. A few days back, several users here pointed out why yunhe and douban are not reliable and cannot be used as primary metric markers.

Do you want a more-exact interpretation? It's absolutely a happy ending, but the literary and religious references will probably fly over the heads of a significant number of watchers

Sorry about the delayed replies. I was offline for more than 2 days, then returned to a pile of notifications. I am slowly finding the comments XD

你中毒太深了、但水龙吟确实是独一无二的电视剧创作。我再重看一遍！放不下、舍不得告别⁠｡｡｡

[ Have a look at this adorable A Li with Liu Yan and Fang Zhou: https://weibo.com/1916059411/Qeq1mnKoS ] - 太可爱了! 不行了!
٩(⌯꒦ິ̆ᵔ꒦ິ)۶ᵒᵐᵍᵎᵎᵎ

Have this FMV (solely Tang Lici): https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5235533351748282

It's hard to find one FMV solely of his flowing sleeves XD

This drama is dynamic and refreshing to me. Lots of little gems. There are some flaws in multiple aspects but overall, it is truly an iconic milestone for xianxia dramas (xuanxia, as they call it). The only other xianxia drama that I rewatch with no issues is "Love and Destiny" starring Chang Chen and Ni Ni.

Tang Lici's choice to reset the timeline perfectly matches what he learned from his journey after mastering the seven emotions, especially with his mother. He also fulfilled Fang Zhou's most important philosophy in what he finally chose to do and give everyone, which is that people are born good and nobody is truly bad.

The ending matches Tang Lici's character as reflected in the original poster that is used for this show, but the symbolism and meaning of the fox-dragon, much less a white dragon, flies over the heads of many people who have no idea what the references mean.

Episode 8 follows certain concepts of the novel for Puzhu even if they changed his origins, and the Buddhism concepts are also going to fly over many people's heads. I'm not surprised that my interpretations of episode 8 naturally matched certain scenes near the end of episode 36, which I previously put in an episode summary when episode 8 came out.

Tang Lici will never choose only one person over everyone else.

There are multiple posters who have contributed in different ways. You can check out "Group Collective Contributions: Details, trivia, insights across 40 episodes of "Whispers of Fate":

:https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146454-group-collective-contributions-details-trivia-insights-across-40-episodes-of-whispers-of-fate

You should probably start with RBF's 2023 post of a very-important writeup about the poster on MDL synopsis page, pertaining to fundamental details about Tang Lici which is also reflected in the ending of the drama (spoilers for episode 40).

Of course I am here. I recognise the main stars. No idea who Jun is XD It's nice in cantonese, especially when Tony Leung speaks and during the end credits XD

Gosh, thought you were asleep! Then again, our timezones are completely different. No worries. I am concerned about your health at times. As long you know your own pace and you're good :)

为何还没睡觉?! 这个时候太专注文学读物中的世界观、人生观和价值观就很难睡觉｡让我来帮你：

FMV (solely Tang Lici): https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5235533351748282

Fang Zhou: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5235387276726787

Once you've gotten a good rest and focus on what you need to do, don't rush a review. Sometimes the best thing to do is sort out your personal to-do list first. Chill. May you come back refreshed and rested!

To help you chill, some iconic fighting scenes from everyone (starting with our Tang Lici): https://so.douyin.com/video/detail?aweme_id=7574029272919149834

And this is solely Tang Lici: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5235533351748282

In November 2023, RBF shares a very-important writeup about the poster on MDL synopsis page, pertaining to fundamental details about Tang Lici which is also reflected in the ending of the drama (spoilers for episode 40):

https://kisskh.at/discussions/shui-long-yin/121095-sly-art-poster-analysis-slight-spoilers?pid=2851189&page=1#p2851189

underthestars created a very helpful explainer and hidden facts thread for various episodes ->https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146048-it-s-all-in-the-detail-whispers-of-fate-explainer-and-hidden-facts-thread

For other details, you can see various contributions by different viewers in this collative thread titled" Group Collective Contributions: Details, trivia, insights across 40 episodes of "Whispers of Fate" ->

https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146454-group-collective-contributions-details-trivia-insights-across-40-episodes-of-whispers-of-fate

I think I bumped into you at the 秋雪漫过的冬天 page (the C-Drama remake of "My Mister" starring Mark Chao and Zhang Zi Feng). Still no airing date for that drama, sadly.

I have collated insights and contributions from different viewers here, in this thread titled "Group Collective Contributions: Details, trivia, insights across 40 episodes of "Whispers of Fate" including some literary references and Buddhism undertones in specific episode summaries, although I am wondering about possibly strengthening the Taoism aspects:

https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146454-group-collective-contributions-details-trivia-insights-across-40-episodes-of-whispers-of-fate

The greatest characters are those which touch our hearts and linger in our memories, especially for how they have bettered the lives of others. Great acting also helps.

And then we get down to sharing fun FMV clips for action and/or dialogue XD

Tang Lici will always be in the hearts of us who experienced his journey with him, regardless of what form he takes. On Douyin. And beyond.

Some iconic fighting scenes from everyone (starting with our Tang-huli): https://so.douyin.com/video/detail?aweme_id=7574029272919149834

I remember your parallels regarding Ye Mo and Tang Lici:
https://so.douyin.com/video/detail?aweme_id=7574031621863558410

Some of the most-effective villains will give your heart a workout, and possibly make you fume over them or rage at them. Coconut water is good for cooling down and replenishing energy. Keep a towel handy. And enjoy the later humour.

Most importantly, it's an experience to remember. I posted some references for episode 14, when a certain character makes an entrance and you may be wondering what that one is reciting, at the group efforts forum post titled "Group Collective Contributions: Details, trivia, insights across 40 episodes of "Whispers of Fate":

https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146454-group-collective-contributions-details-trivia-insights-across-40-episodes-of-whispers-of-fate

Have a great night ahead :)

See my newest comment to you, where I included a certain present for you.

I believe what you mentioned about the Celestial Realm should be included. 您如果想用国语写DM也行 ;)

I have a gift for you, which may aid you in your efforts: https://m.weibo.cn/status/5235418615515957

Sorry about the delay in replies.

At first, I wanted to accommodate all the subplots (even though I reckoned the whole blood-saving subplot seemed too gimmicky just to enable a "romance") and even suggested changes I would have wanted to see for A-Shui because it would strengthen her individuality plus make her crucial to the drama. This is also taking into consideration the fact that Lin Yun's performance at the pivotal moments with Luo Yunxi and Jeremy Tsui was completely flat in episodes 34 and 35, so I knew how to compensate for her weaknesses while strengthening those scenes with specific directions. Her VA was carrying the water there. Her acting also hasn't improved since that Stephen Chow movie.

After exchanges with Princess Wanning and Kwanto (thread starts here: https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24219460), I now believe that the producers should have just sliced out the "romance" ("subtle" is the best way to describe it), also because my friends all couldn't see the point of A-Shui in the drama. The big reveal made her character seem even more redundant because she is a blank slate who could only get somewhere by being a pawn, and she misunderstands Tang Lici all this while in doing so? This is a female character to enjoy and support having in a drama? None of my female friends support this kind of bad characterisation for females, and this weakness in the script came about to cater to the very wrong idea of some form of romance being necessary in a drama with any xianxia connotations.

I definitely agree with you about the Celestial Realm. I believe it is difficult for non-mandarin speakers to realise why Ye Mo and Bai Nanzhu and the Celestial Realm are vital. If we could understand these characters and how they connect and impact Tang Lici plus the parallels you mentioned, that finale would have been so much more powerful.

I would also have altered the contents of one flashback for Zhoudi Lou in the first ten episodes, because we needed to cement Fang Zhou's importance and why, and why Tang Lici must understand the seven emotions. Two long flashbacks are definitely necessary for Tang Lici within ten episodes.

Some people don't like this type of approach or are unaware of the extent of intentions, and they think it is OTT. I enjoyed one character especially due to the Sichuan opera influences and his recitations XD

If you ever find yourself wanting to check out any specific details, there is a compilation post of several contributions, ranging from trivia to details to episode summaries including a few literary references plus significance of the poster for this MDL page:

https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146454-group-collective-contributions-details-trivia-insights-across-40-episodes-of-whispers-of-fate

Happy watching, if you are still unfinished!

*has been trawling C-net to see if anyone wrote poetry about Tang Lici*

Thank you.
Have this FMV (solely Tang Lici): https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5235533351748282

Xixi's farewell message is as beautiful as the finale of episode 40: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5235486924473214

Luo Yunxi is a xianxia costume designer's dream, because he knows how to carry himself and how to pose, thanks to his background as a ballet instructor plus ballet dancer totalling at least eleven years. Huang Wei is totally over the moon to make costumes using him as the inspiration.