What is your point of coming to her fanpage to say all this? Do you want to drive away all of Ai Mi's fans or…
People who come to this page will see who is classy and objective and helpful, and which people are so immature and ridiculous in bullying tactics that they cannot be taken seriously. Mephisto has something against chinese people. I am not fond of racist trolls.
The reservations also broke records. What kind of blacklist are you talking about? They even have investors. Stop…
Ionera, there have been people who attacked Ai Mi every week with horrible slurs and insults on the KTTPH drama page. At least one troll labelled the producer and director as pedophiles. Many of them are the kinds of people who should look in their own backyards and clean up the standards of their own media industries, first and foremost.
The troll you are answering is racist, and they were perfectly happy to show it on Cheng Xiao's fanpage. Please see my comment uptop to them.
However, there is also another sadder reality. Such people tend to have unhealthy parasocial relationships with an idol and/or have significant issues in their own lives, and all this leads to such behaviour. And a good number of these are females being jealous of fellow females. It's a sad day to see that kind of "female empowerment" when I would prefer all actors and actresses being able to decide if they are comfortable kissing for a drama or not. To have that option requires more good scripts, more quality output of dramas, and fans firstly willing to consider what they are putting their idols through with certain demands. I am sure Neo Hou was uncomfortable with kissing in LITC, if one BTS serves me right.
There is something fundamentally wrong with someone if they go bananas to see Ai Mi in a gown channelling young Audrey Hepburn, walking down the red carpet for the Wenrong awards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXuAv_kZWY
A pot with everything in it will taste like garbage. 5.7 Douban score is not without reason. You can't judge a…
That account behaves like a sockpuppet account, and the specific desperation really shows in trying to nitpick Azure when that account replied to another of my posts. You're right about not wasting time on them, hence I have summarised certain details:
The drama leaves out the messier parts of the unfinished novel and improves on the characterisation of the ML. I also preferred what they had for drama-Puzhu and drama-Shui Duopo compared to novel-Puzhu and novel Shui Duopo.
What kind of wuxia novel are you looking for? Have you read《赴山海》? That's the novel which was adapted into the drama "The Journey Of Legend" and barring the transmigration elements plus certain other flaws, you can find enjoyment in that drama.
Scores for good non-romance dramas on this site usually hover at 7.8 to 8.2. I'd say look at well-written reviews…
You keep shifting the goalposts. If you insist on a "kiss" that Tang Lici doesn't respond to as romantic because I thought you watched the drama plus the trailer, be my guest.
I don't like sockpuppet accounts. You behave like one, based on the chronology and pattern of what has appeared on this page attacking this drama.
A pot with everything in it will taste like garbage. 5.7 Douban score is not without reason. You can't judge a…
Ranko Zeravica shared a good summary, which I will C-and-P here:
[ I have to laugh at the idea that Yunhe is considered trustworthy. This is a company with only two employees paying social security, and a debt-to-asset ratio of 137%. Yunhe’s data is widely known to be biased toward iQiyi dramas. In fact, Yunhe is often called as ‘Taohe’, a term used in the film and television industry in the past two years to refer to the relationship between iQiyi and Yunhe. It primarily refers to allegations that iQiyi dramas' performance on Yunhe Data is systematically inflated or manipulated.
Yunhe also reportedly attempted to integrate with Migu, but was rejected due to transparency issue. Migu is a state-owned company, and Yunhe failed to meet its standards.
The situation is similar with Lighthouse, which known to be biased toward Youku’s dramas.
In my opinion, these third-party platforms should not be trusted. They do not have the authority or access to real internal performance data. The broadcasting platforms themselves know best how a drama actually performs. Only CVB and CSM is worth to consider as real data.]
As to the account which you see trying to engage me with multiple comments, this is what I've noted this far that should provide you with sufficient context:
I enjoy Gui Mudan's character song the most. But for overall songs, I like the OP song the most because it makes…
Heh, I will check out your Youtube channel. I am an aural person. Been busy offline, what with the HK fires and happily spending time with a favourite sibling. I am re-listening to the songs, as I compose my review.
I look forward to your cover of the WoF song!
FoF is primarily character-driven, but between the overwrought tear-ducts and under-developed arcs, I also felt the actress for FL was totally disrespected by GJM, and that is after objectively evaluating the entirety of the drama.
Drama pages are for discussion and gushing of the drama, so it's all good :D
Would like to add some more points here;On December 20, 2022, news broke that Qian Jie Mei was going to be adapted…
Thank you for additional filling-in of the blanks. I've been busy offline and just returned.
I would like to add that I now have a very strong impression of one account user on this page with at least four sockpuppet accounts. I don't usually make such posts, but the blatant attempts to bring down this drama is too much for me to tolerate.
Before that, I believed it was at least two sockpuppet accounts for multiple reasons. I blocked one account for harassing me. I am now completely convinced none of these accounts are viewers interested in the drama, nor fans of Luo Yunxi, because they also do things such as resort to baseless usage of Douban and Yunhe to attack this drama. You can see this reflected across previous conversations on this page in a certain chronological sequence.
10 days ago, when a new account created on 2 November 2025 attacked this drama, johncalm rebutted the account with:
[ Just to clarify, Whispers of Fate isn’t a “cheap copy” of Renegade Immortal at all. It’s adapted from its own original novel, with its own worldbuilding, characters and themes. RI is a classic “weak-to-strong” cultivation story. In WoF the ML is already OP from the start and the focus is on fate / philosophy, not a RI-style progression. It’s totally fine if you don’t like the drama, but calling it a copy of RI is simply inaccurate. ] - https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24237252
The same day before that attack, another account claimed to have watched episode 25 also talked about WoF being similar to Renegade Immortal but kept emphasising the "romance" between Tang Lici and A-Shui:
11 days ago, a certain user claimed I had not finished reading the novel, and tried to school me. I was very disgusted at dishonesty in how they tried to mislead another viewer, so I said I would not engage with them any further. They never answered my question, sidestepping and trying to change goalposts.
[ Conveying a barely-there romance (which people could also interpret as one-sided) as the main focus for A-Shui, instead of how A-Shui could be so impactful and individualistic as to be a crucial part of Tang Lici's journey, was the wrong focus. I watched all the episodes and that is unfortunately how episodes 34 and 35 turn out.
You said you were at episode 21, at least two days ago. Have you watched episodes 34 and 35, where Tang Lici's mostly-composed responses were solidly lacking towards A-Shui, compared to the amount of grief he expresses in later episodes for others? ]
That was also the same day the same user posted about Tang Lici and A-Shui's outcome pertaining to episode 35 in the drama after looking at several clips, while not answering me about which episode they had watched (the jabs from that user in their comment at Tang Lici were ridiculous, considering what he was dealing with as a character):
12 days ago, Moonwhisper had an exchange about statistics with that user I refuse to engage with. On that same day 12 days ago, said user also replied to me that they were not sure if it is worth continuing to watch WoF, and posts like mine would help decide whether they wanted to watch further than episode 21:
kwanto's reply included: [ Better ignore the user still bitter her narrative failed—she promoted SLY as a romance drama for 1 yr+, ignoring since Dec 23 producer interviews + leaked script confirming it’s heroism-focused. Now she downplays SLY’s success by cherry-picking the lowest data while ignoring all other consistent strong metrics. She also hyped CP rank #35 and credited Deta. 3 weeks top 1 solely to her fav. actress, she now has become a laughing stock across diff platforms for her data ignorance... ]
Levi_Nyein's reply included: [ @Moonwhisper You don’t need to explain to this user . That user is not the fan of this drama. Just a fan of one specific actress . She literally said she doesn’t feel like watching anymore since ep 21 and it’s not worth to continue in the comments section. So it’s very sure she doesn’t enjoy this drama. ]
Accounts trying to link WoF to Renegade Immortal, use Douban, Yunhe, etc across the past twelve days and from today onwards are primarily here only to bring down this drama. One account cannot give multiple likes on a comment. That one can continue talking to themself 😆😆😆😆😆
I've stuck to my guns that it is great to see people shipping whoever they want, because the producers walked a thin line to please three factions. What I'm not fine with are people who refuse to accept positive comments for other actresses and characters, such as Bao Shang En and Chen Yao. Being dishonest such as sockpuppeting is just hilariously desperate, especially when attacking fellow viewers.
I'm not hard-up for the last word, unlike some people who cannot take the realistic idea of being disagreed with and then accuse others of not replying. I find it completely odd that a new account created on September 2025 and desperate for my attention also seems to demonstrate some kind of grudge against you. Do not waste your time with these accounts.
There was a certain user called Azure (thread by Azure, titled "Whispers of Fate- What Is The Meaning Of Life?")…
I am drawing people's attention to the fact that the drama stayed true to the unfinished novel in a certain aspect.
Please stop dishonestly using apples and oranges to try to confuse people. I know you want my attention, and I'm flattered, but seriously: Please get a life. Quit fixating on A-Shui and the fact that people disagree with you about Lin Yun. You are coming across as something very sad.
A pot with everything in it will taste like garbage. 5.7 Douban score is not without reason. You can't judge a…
For everyone who reads this account's comments, please note: Their account was created on 2 September 2025. 4 plan-to-watch-dramas, 1 completed drama and oh- Currently watching episode 25 of WoF!
There is another account which also claims to finish episode 25, right here! And that account decided to claim WoF resembled Renegade Immortal. I find it very odd that the first thing that account talks about (for someone who claims to watch Renegade Immortal) is the "romance" between Tang Lici and a-Shui:
[ Only on EP 25, but I just want to say (after being spoiled by various episode summaries found online of later episodes) Immortals don't really have a love life. They become mortals to experience love but then leave everything behind when they "go back home" to the celestial realm.
May explain the ML's love life and the letting go of A Shui in the end... ]
And to make sure you get the point of the "romance", they repeat themselves:
[ Is anyone watching Renegade Immortal donghua anime? I couldn't help but notice how the ML+FL in that 3D CGI anime produced by Tencent is so similar to Tang Lici and Miss A Shui. ]
And then another account came in to claim the same thing, but received pushback.
JK-L008 at this point also plastered a second comment to me with:
[ Comparing it with Renegade Immortal isn't wrong isn't the genre of this drama a mixture xianxia and wuxia? Renegade Immortal is the best novel wuxia novel out there. No wonder why it feels so cheap even if we compare it with the anime adaption. ]
Watching only clips, focusing on romance, not actually finished this drama, always wants the last word so comments are at least doubled- You wouldn't happen to be someone I disagreed with more than 8 days ago and called you out for dishonesty because I said there is no romance in this drama, would you? Happy digging. I won't engage you any further.
Scores for good non-romance dramas on this site usually hover at 7.8 to 8.2. I'd say look at well-written reviews…
Wow, your reading comprehension needs serious improvement! I said "usually hover", and examples include modern dramas such as Mobius, Beloved, etc. My sentiment is a fairly common sentiment amongst viewers who are fans of non-romance dramas. "Usually hover" isn't fixed in cement.
You are now demonstrating a personal vendetta against me with your name-calling, because I pointed out how you made yourself sound completely ridiculous on this page less than 24 hours ago. Enjoy digging :)
So, my first thought was what kind of ending is this?? I read some theories saying that the fox that appears at…
At first I considered keeping A-Shui but I would have halved her screentime and given her more iconic scenes in-line with the maternal angle they were going for, plus a literary angle to further underscore her ties to Fang Zhou just before the big reveal.
That would have enabled incorporation of the Celestial Realm for one entire episode to further emphasise the importance of Bai Nanzhu and Ye Mo on Tang Lici and relative to Tang Lici (I would have restructured at least three episodes too), and allowed Zhong Chunji to have a better storyline.
Xifang Tao for me was necessary and very different from the novel, and Chen Yao did a good job of making her very unlikeable XD
The current 8.0 rating score (it can even go lower as time passes) further proves my suspicions that the lower…
Scores for good non-romance dramas on this site usually hover at 7.8 to 8.2. I'd say look at well-written reviews and the forum posts.
Taraverde's review is new and highly-recommended. There's a new Buddhism-related forum thread by Azure, titled "Whispers of Fate- What Is The Meaning Of Life?"
I understand there is frustration at how certain female characters were portrayed. There is no romance tag for…
The drama ending matches the screenplay that draws from the novel at the time that the novel was not finished, especially pertaining to the significance of Tang Lici's mother. How Liu Yan saw A-Shui and how Tang Lici saw A-Shui was definitely different. What is A-Shui to Tang Lici?
If you were expecting some kind of two-way romance and full-on romance, and you believe romance is valid, why hasn't "romance" been added as a tag to this drama page? If drama-A-Shui and drama-Tang Lici have something going on, where is the solid romance push for the promotions on all the platforms?
Maybe the producers forgot to say something about all this, when WoF was mentioned as heroism-focused. Maybe someone forgot to tell drama-Tang Lici that in episodes 34 and 35, he is supposed to show a lot more emotions than er, quickly switching his attention to Gui Mudan while talking to A-Shui during the grand reveal, or sounding too-sober about A-Shui's goodbye letter.
I don't like insisting on romance for WoF even if I claim you can ship whoever you want. Luo Yunxi has chemistry with a lot of the cast, so shipping whoever you want with him is doable. But viewers generally expect certain things when it comes to the "romance" label, and then they are rightfully disappointed when it doesn't happen according to expectations. I don't want to claim romance for any heterosexual or homosexual pairings, because how would you justify it from the drama?
Remember Wanyu Yuedan? I will now quote from Book 4, Chapter 40 (part 3):
[ “Be at ease. Master Tang has already gone.” Wanyu Yuedan bent low, clasping her hand with a steady, reassuring smile.
Ah Shui froze. At those words, the world seemed to reel around her. “He… he’s already gone?”
Wanyu Yuedan inclined his head. “As soon as he awoke and learned you had led Brother Shen and Zhu Yan to storm Wangting Manor, he set out at once. Do not fear. With Master Tang there, none will come to harm.”
She stared at him.
“But… his health…” Her voice trembled.
Wanyu Yuedan raised a finger and traced a small circle beside his temple, still smiling gently. “It was merely agitation. I gave him a calming draught, and he drank the rice soup you made. Already he is better than before. Rest assured, when Master Tang is present, he will never allow anyone to be hurt. He is the kind of man who will stake his very life for others. And with his ability… tell me, what can he not achieve, once he throws his life into it?”
Ah Shui gazed at Wanyu Yuedan in a daze. How could he speak with such certainty—so matter-of-factly—when he said that Tang Lici was the kind of man who will stake his life for others?
“He…”
Wanyu Yuedan drew out a handkerchief and slowly wiped the mud and melted snow from her face. His voice was gentle as he went on,”I once knew another man who would risk his life for those who had nothing to do with him. He did so out of compassion. He was kind to everyone, wished happiness for all, and for that ideal he was willing to stake his life. A man like that is easy to love, easy to praise.
“But Young Master Tang is not like that. He risks his life for others not because of compassion, but because he is fragile.”
Ah Shui blinked slowly. Meltwater pooled at the corners of her eyes, turning everything into a blur. She heard Wanyu Yuedan’s voice, gentle as falling snow:
“He is too lonely, too starved for care. That is why he throws himself into saving others. Through saving them… he gains a sliver of fulfillment, a sense that he matters. He could not let go of Fang Zhou, nor of Liu Yan, and he fought desperately to save Chi Yun—because so few have ever truly cared for him. The ones who do, he engraves upon his heart, and he cannot bear to let them slip away.
“But few truly understand him. His emotions flare too fiercely, and most people are afraid of him. He always seems as though he alone can shoulder the work of dozens, even hundreds. As though if he exists, others need not. Yet the truth is otherwise. He is only too lonely. He needs that lofty posture… because he longs so desperately to be cared for, to be valued. He cannot live as ordinary men do.”
I… I have been so foolish all along. Tears slid down Ah Shui’s cheeks. “Yes…”
Wanyu Yuedan sighed softly. “I will say something I perhaps should not. Miss Ah Shui, you cannot go on without truly understanding Master Tang. I believe the reason he clings to you is not for any other cause, but because you… you carry within you something of a mother’s presence.”
Once again, tears spilled from Ah Shui’s eyes. She could no longer tell whether they were caused by snowmelt or sadness.
“I understand now.”
This gentle young man, seeing her for the first time, seemed able to pierce through every veil of mist. At last she understood what Tang Lici sought from her. At last she understood why he yearned for a love that would “die for him.” At last she understood why, though he treated her so well, she had never felt he loved her—and why did it always left her so disappointed.
So…
So that was it.
Only that, and nothing more.
She broke down and wept, collapsing to the ground in anguish. He had wanted only a mother who would die for him. And she—she had mistaken it all along.
She could never be his mother. And though she had cared for him with all her heart, still… still… what he longed for was only a mother, nothing else, nothing beyond.
I understand there is frustration at how certain female characters were portrayed. There is no romance tag for this drama. Perhaps it will help if I share certain specifics. I am happy for two female characters, one of which is the most important woman in novel-Tang Lici's life and her significance, because I am very happy that drama-Tang Lici met her. In this, the screenplay did stay true to the novel in a certain aspect.
The drama has some basis in the novel but is vastly different because when the novel was adapted, the novel was incomplete. If you're not a novel reader who paid attention to the entire novel, you would not have known Teng Ping took a break in 2019, and resumed writing for the novel only after the novel was adapted for the drama.
By the time the screenplay was likely finished, the novel was at chapter 51 (near the end of book 5). A chapter when translated is broken into several parts and depending on the website and translator, is 313 "chapters" in total without actual adherence to numbering (or is correctly divided into books of several chapters, with several parts for each chapter). Shooting for the drama started on 2 December 2023, and ended on 24 April 2024.
Please see the spoiler tag below whereby I quote a certain segment of chapter 40, to understand Tang Lici and the significance of certain women in his life, which is reflected in the drama (especially the final 10 episodes):
So, my first thought was what kind of ending is this?? I read some theories saying that the fox that appears at…
If it helps with the ending, I strongly recommend RBF's 2023 forum post describing the official poster for this drama page (no more spoilers, since you watched the final episode):
The philosophical Buddhism aspects including why Tang Lici makes the decisions he does is in this forum thread (not yet touched on the Taoism aspects):
As to the writing for the female characters, I don't know which ones frustrate you, but the screenplay stayed true to the novel, because the novel was unfinished when the drama was adapted. Teng Ping only resumed after the novel was adapted for the drama. As a result, the drama has some basis in the novel but is not an adaptation of the novel.
The most important woman in novel-Tang Lici's life and her significance, I am very happy that drama-Tang Lici received it. This affects the characterisation of one female character in the drama, which is why there is no romance tag for this drama. The screenplay stayed true to the novel. Please see a certain part of chapter 40, if you are curious:
Did y'all listen to the character theme songs? Don't think it was ever discussed? Anyways now I'm curious which…
I enjoy Gui Mudan's character song the most. But for overall songs, I like the OP song the most because it makes me think of Tang Lici's entire journey in fully understanding the seven emotions for this entire drama XD The songs are all beautiful and very meaningful in their own way. It's always great to have a variety of quality aural options for viewers to enjoy.
Hahahaha, it's a drama that will stay with you. The drama is a tremendous success in China, and here are a few details:
FoF's OST is beautiful too (storytelling is another matter entirely)!
[I am terrible uploading my covers on my YT channel whenever I cover OSTs lol... but tbh this is a drama where I wanna cover some of the OSTs now ] - Cover? What does that mean? *interested*
A pot with everything in it will taste like garbage. 5.7 Douban score is not without reason. You can't judge a…
A sizeable number of MDL users tend to hike romance ratings and downgrade non-coupley endings in various ways. Add that to haters voting on all episodes for certain popular actors or actresses before episodes even air for the drama, and that only further reduces MDL's credibility.
It has the collective efforts of users (mostly mandarin-speakers) about the many facets of this drama, and I will add Azure's latest contribution there.
The last time there was a concert for a drama, it was "The Untamed". Multi-city concerts within China is a first for a drama. I compile here several details of how successful SLY has been, and still increasing (I also have friends who have not finished watching the drama on MangoTV, and are about to embark on the final 10 episodes).
Kwanto also shared how Yunhe gave the lowest co-efficient ever (which makes a Yunhe a joke on this subject and totally destroys their credibility) and why Yunhe shot themselves in credibility:
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The troll you are answering is racist, and they were perfectly happy to show it on Cheng Xiao's fanpage. Please see my comment uptop to them.
However, there is also another sadder reality. Such people tend to have unhealthy parasocial relationships with an idol and/or have significant issues in their own lives, and all this leads to such behaviour. And a good number of these are females being jealous of fellow females. It's a sad day to see that kind of "female empowerment" when I would prefer all actors and actresses being able to decide if they are comfortable kissing for a drama or not. To have that option requires more good scripts, more quality output of dramas, and fans firstly willing to consider what they are putting their idols through with certain demands. I am sure Neo Hou was uncomfortable with kissing in LITC, if one BTS serves me right.
There is something fundamentally wrong with someone if they go bananas to see Ai Mi in a gown channelling young Audrey Hepburn, walking down the red carpet for the Wenrong awards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXuAv_kZWY
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24328236
The drama leaves out the messier parts of the unfinished novel and improves on the characterisation of the ML. I also preferred what they had for drama-Puzhu and drama-Shui Duopo compared to novel-Puzhu and novel Shui Duopo.
What kind of wuxia novel are you looking for? Have you read《赴山海》?
That's the novel which was adapted into the drama "The Journey Of Legend" and barring the transmigration elements plus certain other flaws, you can find enjoyment in that drama.
I don't like sockpuppet accounts. You behave like one, based on the chronology and pattern of what has appeared on this page attacking this drama.
Since you want to talk to Azure, try here: https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24292802
[ I have to laugh at the idea that Yunhe is considered trustworthy. This is a company with only two employees paying social security, and a debt-to-asset ratio of 137%.
Yunhe’s data is widely known to be biased toward iQiyi dramas. In fact, Yunhe is often called as ‘Taohe’, a term used in the film and television industry in the past two years to refer to the relationship between iQiyi and Yunhe. It primarily refers to allegations that iQiyi dramas' performance on Yunhe Data is systematically inflated or manipulated.
Yunhe also reportedly attempted to integrate with Migu, but was rejected due to transparency issue. Migu is a state-owned company, and Yunhe failed to meet its standards.
The situation is similar with Lighthouse, which known to be biased toward Youku’s dramas.
In my opinion, these third-party platforms should not be trusted. They do not have the authority or access to real internal performance data. The broadcasting platforms themselves know best how a drama actually performs. Only CVB and CSM is worth to consider as real data.]
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24212052
As to the account which you see trying to engage me with multiple comments, this is what I've noted this far that should provide you with sufficient context:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24328236
Yes, there's a pop-up store in Guangzhou and it looks fabulous (but I cannot be there).
I look forward to your cover of the WoF song!
FoF is primarily character-driven, but between the overwrought tear-ducts and under-developed arcs, I also felt the actress for FL was totally disrespected by GJM, and that is after objectively evaluating the entirety of the drama.
Drama pages are for discussion and gushing of the drama, so it's all good :D
I would like to add that I now have a very strong impression of one account user on this page with at least four sockpuppet accounts. I don't usually make such posts, but the blatant attempts to bring down this drama is too much for me to tolerate.
Before that, I believed it was at least two sockpuppet accounts for multiple reasons. I blocked one account for harassing me. I am now completely convinced none of these accounts are viewers interested in the drama, nor fans of Luo Yunxi, because they also do things such as resort to baseless usage of Douban and Yunhe to attack this drama. You can see this reflected across previous conversations on this page in a certain chronological sequence.
10 days ago, when a new account created on 2 November 2025 attacked this drama, johncalm rebutted the account with:
[ Just to clarify, Whispers of Fate isn’t a “cheap copy” of Renegade Immortal at all.
It’s adapted from its own original novel, with its own worldbuilding, characters and themes. RI is a classic “weak-to-strong” cultivation story. In WoF the ML is already OP from the start and the focus is on fate / philosophy, not a RI-style progression. It’s totally fine if you don’t like the drama, but calling it a copy of RI is simply inaccurate. ] - https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24237252
The same day before that attack, another account claimed to have watched episode 25 also talked about WoF being similar to Renegade Immortal but kept emphasising the "romance" between Tang Lici and A-Shui:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24229132
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24228906
11 days ago, a certain user claimed I had not finished reading the novel, and tried to school me. I was very disgusted at dishonesty in how they tried to mislead another viewer, so I said I would not engage with them any further. They never answered my question, sidestepping and trying to change goalposts.
[ Conveying a barely-there romance (which people could also interpret as one-sided) as the main focus for A-Shui, instead of how A-Shui could be so impactful and individualistic as to be a crucial part of Tang Lici's journey, was the wrong focus. I watched all the episodes and that is unfortunately how episodes 34 and 35 turn out.
You said you were at episode 21, at least two days ago. Have you watched episodes 34 and 35, where Tang Lici's mostly-composed responses were solidly lacking towards A-Shui, compared to the amount of grief he expresses in later episodes for others? ]
That was also the same day the same user posted about Tang Lici and A-Shui's outcome pertaining to episode 35 in the drama after looking at several clips, while not answering me about which episode they had watched (the jabs from that user in their comment at Tang Lici were ridiculous, considering what he was dealing with as a character):
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24224094
12 days ago, Moonwhisper had an exchange about statistics with that user I refuse to engage with. On that same day 12 days ago, said user also replied to me that they were not sure if it is worth continuing to watch WoF, and posts like mine would help decide whether they wanted to watch further than episode 21:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24196062
kwanto plus LeviNyein replied to Moonwhisper, and this is when Moonwhisper said:
[Ah thanks so much, yeah I thought the exchange with her wa a bit odd! ] - https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24213300
kwanto's reply included: [ Better ignore the user still bitter her narrative failed—she promoted SLY as a romance drama for 1 yr+, ignoring since Dec 23 producer interviews + leaked script confirming it’s heroism-focused. Now she downplays SLY’s success by cherry-picking the lowest data while ignoring all other consistent strong metrics. She also hyped CP rank #35 and credited Deta. 3 weeks top 1 solely to her fav. actress, she now has become a laughing stock across diff platforms for her data ignorance... ]
Levi_Nyein's reply included: [ @Moonwhisper You don’t need to explain to this user . That user is not the fan of this drama. Just a fan of one specific actress . She literally said she doesn’t feel like watching anymore since ep 21 and it’s not worth to continue in the comments section. So it’s very sure she doesn’t enjoy this drama. ]
Accounts trying to link WoF to Renegade Immortal, use Douban, Yunhe, etc across the past twelve days and from today onwards are primarily here only to bring down this drama. One account cannot give multiple likes on a comment. That one can continue talking to themself 😆😆😆😆😆
I've stuck to my guns that it is great to see people shipping whoever they want, because the producers walked a thin line to please three factions. What I'm not fine with are people who refuse to accept positive comments for other actresses and characters, such as Bao Shang En and Chen Yao. Being dishonest such as sockpuppeting is just hilariously desperate, especially when attacking fellow viewers.
I'm not hard-up for the last word, unlike some people who cannot take the realistic idea of being disagreed with and then accuse others of not replying. I find it completely odd that a new account created on September 2025 and desperate for my attention also seems to demonstrate some kind of grudge against you. Do not waste your time with these accounts.
Please stop dishonestly using apples and oranges to try to confuse people. I know you want my attention, and I'm flattered, but seriously: Please get a life. Quit fixating on A-Shui and the fact that people disagree with you about Lin Yun. You are coming across as something very sad.
JK-L008, you are not subtle: https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24290938
There is another account which also claims to finish episode 25, right here! And that account decided to claim WoF resembled Renegade Immortal. I find it very odd that the first thing that account talks about (for someone who claims to watch Renegade Immortal) is the "romance" between Tang Lici and a-Shui:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24228906
[ Only on EP 25, but I just want to say (after being spoiled by various episode summaries found online of later episodes) Immortals don't really have a love life. They become mortals to experience love but then leave everything behind when they "go back home" to the celestial realm.
May explain the ML's love life and the letting go of A Shui in the end... ]
And to make sure you get the point of the "romance", they repeat themselves:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24229132
[ Is anyone watching Renegade Immortal donghua anime? I couldn't help but notice how the ML+FL in that 3D CGI anime produced by Tencent is so similar to Tang Lici and Miss A Shui. ]
And then another account came in to claim the same thing, but received pushback.
JK-L008 at this point also plastered a second comment to me with:
[ Comparing it with Renegade Immortal isn't wrong isn't the genre of this drama a mixture xianxia and wuxia? Renegade Immortal is the best novel wuxia novel out there. No wonder why it feels so cheap even if we compare it with the anime adaption. ]
Watching only clips, focusing on romance, not actually finished this drama, always wants the last word so comments are at least doubled- You wouldn't happen to be someone I disagreed with more than 8 days ago and called you out for dishonesty because I said there is no romance in this drama, would you? Happy digging. I won't engage you any further.
You are now demonstrating a personal vendetta against me with your name-calling, because I pointed out how you made yourself sound completely ridiculous on this page less than 24 hours ago. Enjoy digging :)
That would have enabled incorporation of the Celestial Realm for one entire episode to further emphasise the importance of Bai Nanzhu and Ye Mo on Tang Lici and relative to Tang Lici (I would have restructured at least three episodes too), and allowed Zhong Chunji to have a better storyline.
Xifang Tao for me was necessary and very different from the novel, and Chen Yao did a good job of making her very unlikeable XD
Taraverde's review is new and highly-recommended. There's a new Buddhism-related forum thread by Azure, titled "Whispers of Fate- What Is The Meaning Of Life?"
If you were expecting some kind of two-way romance and full-on romance, and you believe romance is valid, why hasn't "romance" been added as a tag to this drama page? If drama-A-Shui and drama-Tang Lici have something going on, where is the solid romance push for the promotions on all the platforms?
Maybe the producers forgot to say something about all this, when WoF was mentioned as heroism-focused. Maybe someone forgot to tell drama-Tang Lici that in episodes 34 and 35, he is supposed to show a lot more emotions than er, quickly switching his attention to Gui Mudan while talking to A-Shui during the grand reveal, or sounding too-sober about A-Shui's goodbye letter.
I don't like insisting on romance for WoF even if I claim you can ship whoever you want. Luo Yunxi has chemistry with a lot of the cast, so shipping whoever you want with him is doable. But viewers generally expect certain things when it comes to the "romance" label, and then they are rightfully disappointed when it doesn't happen according to expectations. I don't want to claim romance for any heterosexual or homosexual pairings, because how would you justify it from the drama?
Remember Wanyu Yuedan? I will now quote from Book 4, Chapter 40 (part 3):
[ “Be at ease. Master Tang has already gone.” Wanyu Yuedan bent low, clasping her hand with a steady, reassuring smile.
Ah Shui froze. At those words, the world seemed to reel around her. “He… he’s already gone?”
Wanyu Yuedan inclined his head. “As soon as he awoke and learned you had led Brother Shen and Zhu Yan to storm Wangting Manor, he set out at once. Do not fear. With Master Tang there, none will come to harm.”
She stared at him.
“But… his health…” Her voice trembled.
Wanyu Yuedan raised a finger and traced a small circle beside his temple, still smiling gently. “It was merely agitation. I gave him a calming draught, and he drank the rice soup you made. Already he is better than before. Rest assured, when Master Tang is present, he will never allow anyone to be hurt. He is the kind of man who will stake his very life for others. And with his ability… tell me, what can he not achieve, once he throws his life into it?”
Ah Shui gazed at Wanyu Yuedan in a daze. How could he speak with such certainty—so matter-of-factly—when he said that Tang Lici was the kind of man who will stake his life for others?
“He…”
Wanyu Yuedan drew out a handkerchief and slowly wiped the mud and melted snow from her face. His voice was gentle as he went on,”I once knew another man who would risk his life for those who had nothing to do with him. He did so out of compassion. He was kind to everyone, wished happiness for all, and for that ideal he was willing to stake his life. A man like that is easy to love, easy to praise.
“But Young Master Tang is not like that. He risks his life for others not because of compassion, but because he is fragile.”
Ah Shui blinked slowly. Meltwater pooled at the corners of her eyes, turning everything into a blur. She heard Wanyu Yuedan’s voice, gentle as falling snow:
“He is too lonely, too starved for care. That is why he throws himself into saving others. Through saving them… he gains a sliver of fulfillment, a sense that he matters. He could not let go of Fang Zhou, nor of Liu Yan, and he fought desperately to save Chi Yun—because so few have ever truly cared for him. The ones who do, he engraves upon his heart, and he cannot bear to let them slip away.
“But few truly understand him. His emotions flare too fiercely, and most people are afraid of him. He always seems as though he alone can shoulder the work of dozens, even hundreds. As though if he exists, others need not. Yet the truth is otherwise. He is only too lonely. He needs that lofty posture… because he longs so desperately to be cared for, to be valued. He cannot live as ordinary men do.”
I… I have been so foolish all along. Tears slid down Ah Shui’s cheeks. “Yes…”
Wanyu Yuedan sighed softly. “I will say something I perhaps should not. Miss Ah Shui, you cannot go on without truly understanding Master Tang. I believe the reason he clings to you is not for any other cause, but because you… you carry within you something of a mother’s presence.”
Once again, tears spilled from Ah Shui’s eyes. She could no longer tell whether they were caused by snowmelt or sadness.
“I understand now.”
This gentle young man, seeing her for the first time, seemed able to pierce through every veil of mist. At last she understood what Tang Lici sought from her. At last she understood why he yearned for a love that would “die for him.” At last she understood why, though he treated her so well, she had never felt he loved her—and why did it always left her so disappointed.
So…
So that was it.
Only that, and nothing more.
She broke down and wept, collapsing to the ground in anguish. He had wanted only a mother who would die for him. And she—she had mistaken it all along.
She could never be his mother. And though she had cared for him with all her heart, still… still… what he longed for was only a mother, nothing else, nothing beyond.
And she… she could never be his mother. ]
Here are two sites: https://qianjiemei.wordpress.com/2025/09/05/chapter-40-brokenhearted-unto-despair-part-3/
https://mydramanovel.com/shui-long-yin/chapter-40-heartbroken-to-the-point-of-death-03/
I also share the mandarin link: https://www.kanunu8.com/book5/1000jiemei/17467.html
The drama has some basis in the novel but is vastly different because when the novel was adapted, the novel was incomplete. If you're not a novel reader who paid attention to the entire novel, you would not have known Teng Ping took a break in 2019, and resumed writing for the novel only after the novel was adapted for the drama.
By the time the screenplay was likely finished, the novel was at chapter 51 (near the end of book 5). A chapter when translated is broken into several parts and depending on the website and translator, is 313 "chapters" in total without actual adherence to numbering (or is correctly divided into books of several chapters, with several parts for each chapter). Shooting for the drama started on 2 December 2023, and ended on 24 April 2024.
Please see the spoiler tag below whereby I quote a certain segment of chapter 40, to understand Tang Lici and the significance of certain women in his life, which is reflected in the drama (especially the final 10 episodes):
https://kisskh.at/discussions/shui-long-yin/121095-sly-art-poster-analysis-slight-spoilers?pid=2851189&page=1#p2851189
The philosophical Buddhism aspects including why Tang Lici makes the decisions he does is in this forum thread (not yet touched on the Taoism aspects):
https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146562-whispers-of-fate-what-is-the-meaning-of-life
As to the writing for the female characters, I don't know which ones frustrate you, but the screenplay stayed true to the novel, because the novel was unfinished when the drama was adapted. Teng Ping only resumed after the novel was adapted for the drama. As a result, the drama has some basis in the novel but is not an adaptation of the novel.
The most important woman in novel-Tang Lici's life and her significance, I am very happy that drama-Tang Lici received it. This affects the characterisation of one female character in the drama, which is why there is no romance tag for this drama. The screenplay stayed true to the novel. Please see a certain part of chapter 40, if you are curious:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24268676
Hahahaha, it's a drama that will stay with you. The drama is a tremendous success in China, and here are a few details:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24282032
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24287926
FoF's OST is beautiful too (storytelling is another matter entirely)!
[I am terrible uploading my covers on my YT channel whenever I cover OSTs lol... but tbh this is a drama where I wanna cover some of the OSTs now ] - Cover? What does that mean? *interested*
Then we have trolls claiming WoF and Renegade Immortal are similar, which is laughable: https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24237252
I created a post in the forum titled "Group Collective Contributions: Details, trivia, insights across 40 episodes of "Whispers of Fate" at: https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146454-group-collective-contributions-details-trivia-insights-across-40-episodes-of-whispers-of-fate
It has the collective efforts of users (mostly mandarin-speakers) about the many facets of this drama, and I will add Azure's latest contribution there.
The last time there was a concert for a drama, it was "The Untamed". Multi-city concerts within China is a first for a drama. I compile here several details of how successful SLY has been, and still increasing (I also have friends who have not finished watching the drama on MangoTV, and are about to embark on the final 10 episodes).
Kwanto pointed out high review ratings on Baidu and Weibo (far more reviewers than Douban):https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24250182
suzuko_d_law pointed out views on Douyin and other details: https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24219894
Kwanto also shared how Yunhe gave the lowest co-efficient ever (which makes a Yunhe a joke on this subject and totally destroys their credibility) and why Yunhe shot themselves in credibility:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24241136
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24231940
There is one more detail I can add later. Hope this summary helps :)