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Have you even read what I said ' we' which means including me. Everybody has its own biases and sometimes I am self-righteous that's the reason why I don't like making judgement if I can avoid it because we don't really know what really happened. Only KSH/KSR knew what actually happened. We are just outsiders making conclusions or conjectures with limited information. Even close KSR's circle of friends (including her parents) or KSH's circle of friend ( including his parents).

I dont understand the outrage, he said he didnt do what you are accusing him of. I will reserved my judgement. In so doing, who I am I to judge . We are so self-righteous. and biased.

Confirmation Bias

Cognitive biases
One of the examples of biased cognition, which is critical to examine within the realm of susceptibility to misinformation is confirmation bias (16). Its multifaceted nature can be concisely described as an unconscious inclination towards accepting those pieces of information that align with individual’s already existing beliefs or knowledge

This bias may manifest in various forms, such as selectively attending to corroborative information while disregarding incongruent data, and actively seeking out or favoring information that supports one’s preconceptions while avoiding or downplaying contradictory evidence

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11518834/

some say because it was formal language. KSH is in no win situation, damned if you do and damned it you dont. Some people are frothing in the mouth because KSH did not do as they want, admit whatever they want him to admit. If he admit, then crucify him. Its a very toxic SK society especially in the K-entertainment. That the reason why so many celebrities are dying by suicide.; highest in the developed world

I think cyberbullying, not indifference contributed to her stress and death

he/she is a troll

ad hominem arguments.

In the past month, everyday there was slow release of alleged evidence against KSH. South Korean netizens lap it up; and now people are calling him pedo/groomer. The case is on court now and I hope there will be a gag order on whoever is releasing that alleged evidence. My thoughts on it.

There are evidence that the family knew about this relationship ( although the family denies it). They found pictures/text messages that the family thought prove that will incriminate KSH. They went to legitimate newspapers, no one will touch it. I dont know who reach out to who; Garosero Ins or 'aunt' (who is not blood relative but a friend of the family) or KSR's family, give everything to GSI and manipulate the evidence to destroy KSH.

The family claims that they wanted an apology from KSH and that apology to be used allegedly to sue that Youtuber Lee Jin-ho who apparently was stalking KSR. I think the family wanted money. They wanted an apology and then used that apology to eventually sue KSH. Apparently KSH promised marriage; it did not happened.KSH is rich; KSR's family now struggling financially. They wanted money from whoever will give them. Its rubbish that they dont like money. I read it that GSI was helping them financially now. Also at one point, Gold Medalist wanted to talk to them and they refuse. They said they only want apology. What I thought ( with the strong reaction against KSH), they can bank in and they became greedy. They dont want private settlement, they wanted a big compensation.

That's also the reason why they wanted GM to acknowledge that KSR did other jobs at GM and acknowledge her as a founding member of GM. KSR's family does not have good history on this. They let a 9 year old to be the breadwinner of the family ( with no savings saved aside for her).
If they really care about her; why they are airing her private life and be dissected ( and analyse )by
everyone.

How come the family ignored the ex-husband. Initially, they said that they were not aware of it. There are texts and pictures of them but conveniently ignored him ( even the alleged physical and emotional abuse). Did the ex-husband even attend his funeral. No one is asking these questions. But KSH is damned because he did not attend her funeral.

The family is shifting the blame. It is now known that KSR have self harming behaviou. According to literature

self harm ( emotional dysregulation or suicdal continuum- role of parents during the crucial period of child development
BMC Pediatrics
Published: 17 August 2023
Attachment, suicidal behavior, and self-harm in childhood and adolescence: a study of a cohort of Brazilian schoolchildren
Orli Carvalho da Silva Filho, Joviana Quintes Avanci, Thiago de Oliveira Pires, Raquel de Vasconcellos Carvalhaes Oliveira & Simone Gonçalves Assis
BMC Pediatrics volume 23, Article number: 403 (2023)

The study supports the hypothesis that there is a relationship between disruptive attachment patterns (non-secure attachment) developed during infancy and suicidal and self-harm behavior during childhood and adolescence. These findings validate the concern about the first thousand days of childhood as a critical period for child growth and development, but also for the mental health of children and adolescents.

Attachment Theory

Summary
Attachment Aspect

1. Emotional Regulation
2. Stress Response System
3. Social Development
4. Cognitive Development

Brain Development Aspect

1. Prefrontal Cortex
2. Hypothalamic Pituitary Adrenal Axis
3. Right Hemisphere
4. Hippocampus

Significance of Strong, Secure Attachments
Strong, secure attachments are crucial for children's overall development and well-being. Here are some key reasons why these attachments are significant:

Emotional and Social Development

Trust and Security: Secure attachments provide children with a sense of trust and security, enabling them to explore their environment and form healthy relationships.

Emotional Regulation: Children with strong attachments learn to manage their emotions effectively, leading to better emotional regulation and resilience.

Social Skills: Securely attached children are more likely to develop positive social skills, such as empathy, cooperation, and effective communication.

Cognitive Development

Learning and Exploration: When children feel secure, they are more willing to explore and engage in learning activities, which promotes cognitive development.

Problem-Solving Skills: Secure attachments encourage children to develop problem-solving skills by providing a safe base from which they can explore and take risks.

Behavioral Development

Positive Behavior: Children with strong attachments are more likely to exhibit positive behavior and have fewer behavioral problems.

Self-Confidence: Secure attachments boost children's self-confidence and self-esteem, enabling them to face challenges with a positive attitude.

Long-Term Impact

Resilience: Strong attachments in early childhood contribute to resilience in adulthood, helping individuals cope with stress and adversity.

Healthy Relationships: The quality of early attachments often influences the nature of future relationships, including friendships, romantic relationships, and parenting.

I actually think that the most pitiful character in this story is Hong Rim, not the King. He wanted to be loyal to the King and the land ( the kingdom, to promote stability by producing a heir) but he was screwed over by the King. What is he (Hong Rim) supposed to do, screw the queen and then leave it like that; ( he is not a machine where you can control the conditions), there is emotions involved.

He is a very kind and loyal man and I think, he was attracted to the Queen prior to the sex ; look at the earlier scenes ( picnic scene out of the palace), he was sneaking glances to the Queen when as a bodyguard ( a loyal subject) , he should not even do that. This attraction was flared up by the sex and he likes the taste of it which led to tragedy because of cruelty of the King (due to jealous rage).

Anyway if you want another new drama of Zo In Sung,(ZIS) watch Moving. His chemistry with Han Hyo Joo was brilliant. But Moving has plenty of graphic scenes of gore/violence and blood. I love ZIS, quite attractive man who knew how to act.

Did you mean that because the King is gay that the audience sympathise with him. There are many fans of BL and you maybe right. If he is having extramarital affair with a woman, he will be branded as a jerk and immoral, But because he is gay, he is excused?

I still believed that he ( the King) is callous, selfish, vindictive, manipulative and a cruel man, who act as the victim when he was the manipulator of all the things that happened in the story. True, it is because he needs a heir, then he should be more forgiving. He wants everything; the heir, Hong Rim ( JIZ character) loyalty and love. He also wants everything the way it was before the sex between the Queen and Hong Rim. he was so entitled probably because he was the King ( and I dont understand the sympathy from the audience for the King).

I was a regular commenter when the show was airing. I researched some civil laws of South Korea to better understand the nuances of the storyline that was being told, but the screenwriter and the director ignored most of them and proceeded with their outdated and backward thinking. which was a pity because the story started with progressive storyline.

One thing that I should emphasize for some gullible viewers. In this drama, domestic and family violence by one of the main leads was tolerated and probably endorsed by this drama, and some viewers were so touched that I found it so abhorrent. Abusive behaviours were normalised and accepted and some of the viewers were so touched after a few scenes of crying by this main lead (JH). Abusive behaviours were excused and forgiven without any consequences.

I have not even talking about the behaviour of another main lead SJ. Every wrong behaviour was excused and the screenwriter and director even rewarded her in the end.

I will link a video about gender inequality which is the cause and consequences of family violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLUVWZvVZXw

Even in western countries, family violence is still prevalent and in South Korea 1 in 3 adult women experienced violence and the perpetrator is their current or ex-partner. This is because of shows
like this. I know it is only drama but the drama failed in its attempt to show a progressive storyline which enticed me in viewing this show.





https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1056632.html#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20results%20of,sexual%2C%20emotional%2C%20or%20financial%20violence

what a great episode< NOT. The writer really loves JH's character. He " kidnapped" HN, and no consequences again because he is family. The reason why he went back with HN is because he can't manage the baby and because SJ told him so that he will be charged with kidnapping( SJ of all people ( writer loves her character as well) ( even the favourite character of this writer /director became a dumb character, I thought he was a genius, when he does not know common sense like this one).

well said. I am tired of "preaching" to people. Emotional abuse is seen as lesser evil when they are or more damaging than physical abuse. It is said that bruises heals faster than wounds of the soul and the heart. JH's behaviour was normalised and people just accepts it.

This writer /director failed the audience when they enticed the audience of a progressive storyline. But it preaches that abusing women is normal and a few tears would be "punishment" Where is fairness and justice in that. What about YD ?TK and her family, Just bury those hurt emotions/psychological distress because JH's pitiful. Goodness sake, No wonder women who are being abused are reluctant to come forward. There is shame in there because people accept that JH's behaviour is normal.

I never pitied JH's character. He should be accountable for his actions but the writer/director manipulated the audience into cheap crying scenes which I found to be abhorrent.

I agree with you. as I said before, being abusive needs a little more than a few crying scenes to be believable redemption arc. The writer/director thinks that their audience are stupid that they did not research thoroughly their subject matter. as if they are saying to their viewers, its okay to abusive, a few tears will cure the hurt.

As I have been discussing throughout the drama run, that this duo of writer/director are insensitive to victims of domestic violence ( which impacts profoundly victims of domestic violence). I think this drama had missed its opportunity to at least take action on one of the more pressing societal issue. This drma condone JH's behaviour and it is unacceptable to me.

Instead it perpetuates the notion that a few tears makes a abusive man a changed man. and it saddens me, that as a community we are supposed to be advocating for the victims of DV but as I can I see in this forum, some of our viewers are convinced that JH is so pitiful. How about his victims of his actions ( can we just forget the emotional hurt it caused to people around JH when earlier in the drama they are cowering in fear, chaos after chaos happened). There is no accountability of JH' behaviour.

In case some people are interested, some programs that targets perpetrators of DV are not even working ( using Duluth model) . so people are actively researching interventions for perpetrators of DV.

https://www.communityservices.act.gov.au/domestic-and-family-violence-support/what-is-act-government-doing/dfv-risk-assessment/key-components/working-with-perpetrators-of-domestic-and-family

https://www.avertfamilyviolence.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2013/06/Prevention_Strategies.pdf

Me too BT. I finished episode 48 in less than no time fast forwarding all of JH scenes. I have seen a lot of comments regarding pity. A few scenes of crying JH complete the redemption arc. LOL

I am probably one of those who don't feel pity.

that's a very cynical view of a nun, who should be pious and innocent. LOL. according to Grandma, JH is like Strawberry which means that Strawberry is nasty?

I don't feel pity. which makes me wonder about his parents. He was abandoned? according to the drama, he was adopted when he was a newborn and according to the Sister sister he was well-loved ( nurture), so makes you wonder about his heritage ( nature).

self-pity which makes himself like the victim when he was the one who harassing everyone using and manipulating the guilt of the grandmother.. He is now cornered and he felt mistreated. A true narcissist.

my assumption is because he felt alone. He said in the preview that Haneul is the only blood relative he has. I also think he felt abandoned by everyone. He felt self-pity not love the HN. That's my perspective which may or may not be true.

I am being diplomatic here. When I saw Sabin Bir post, I have to restrain myself myself answering his comments. He has a very entrenched patriarchal beliefs and no amount of arguments in MDL will change that.

as I have said in this forum ( not this drama), we see 'reality" ( as in narrative of the drama) according to our beliefs, , education, culture, socioeconomic status and other personal details which impact what you see and interpret as the "truth". He has confirmation bias because of his entrenched patriarchal beliefs.

https://effectiviology.com/confirmation-bias/

JEJ is doing great by the looks of it. Everyone ( including me) is hating his character which means he is doing a great job. LOL