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This is true. I keep hoping that Plengrak's gentle kindness is a carefully manufactured facade hiding a psychopath who's planning to lure Duean Yi into private so he can strangle him to death, dismember the corpse, and feed it to pigs. It doesn't seem likely that will happen, but I can always dream.

I honestly don't understand what your referring to. I can't even tell who the antogonist is. All I know is the person I most want to see defeated is Duean Yi. Is he the villain? It feels like it, but he script keeps trying to make him the central character.

And that was the best line of dialogue and acting in the series so far.

If you can identify the something about this show that makes it intresting, please let me know because I've been unable to find it.

This is so boring to get through. I got a decent night's sleep, it's late morning, and I'm drinking coffee, but I still can't keep awake while watching this. Here are the problems:

Duean Yi is annoying and dull, nobody ever does anything except Plengrak making coffee, which isn't very interesting to watch, and there is no plot, other than an annoying and dull guy embarassingly flirting with a guy that's way out of his league who somehow also likes him despite much better options being immediately available. If you want an effeminate twink, the little guy who works at the cafe is much more appealing than Duean Yi. In fact the only thing moderately interesting is pairing him with the guy with the red hair. Or pink hair, depending on the scene.

The thing is, this is not Benz's first series - he was incredibly annoying and obnoxious in Call It What You Want 1 & 2 - only there he was only paired with the second most annoying character and left the cute guys that we actually cared about be together. Hasn't anyone at the production company noticed how totally lacking in any appealing qualities this character is?

I live in an area where 30% of the population is Asian, so I'm spoiled.

I like Nanon's personality a lot - physically though, I don't see it. He's not unattractive to me, and I like his eyes, but otherwise he doesn't stick out to me.

I did read what you wrote. In ep 1 he thought Tol was a drunk driver, but was so upset when he died the others had to pull him off and make him stop trying - I don't believe for a minute he would behave like he did in the final loop, and all the rest of the staff wouldn't love him that much if he were like that. Although he could be a dick to me and I'd probably still be willing to let him have his way with me.

I think we just disagree here. I thought the writing at the end was mediocre and the end unsatisfying with us not getting to see them together except ambiguously in an ending that made no sense.

OK, I'm glad it's not just me.

I thought it was excellent up to Ep 6 and then degenerated into lazy fanservice and got tedious. The story was basically Romeo & Juliet with the central conflict being that their families and social circles were incapable of accepting their relationship, but that was just waved away and never dealt with. So Wai was straight-up homocidal in Ep 5 to being OK with them being together without even a discussion, and the family conflict wasn't addressed at all. If I asked for a summary of what happened in eps 1-6, you could write a few paragraphs. If I said do it for 7-12, what would it be? "They did stuff together."

I think we're talking about different things. I'm saying that Tin was clearly not the type of person that would do something like working with Dr Sak. But when we rewound to the beginning of th final loop, he was, which was not consistent with the character we were introduced to. In other words, nothing had happened to change him from the good person we met into what he was in the final loop.

Tol changed because Tin spent time to help him be a better person, largely though positive example, and making him understand the serious consequences of his actions. That's much different than just suddenly being willing to consider organ-harvesting. In other words, Tol's character evolution was shown to us and made sense. Tin's just... happened. In all the other loops he was a good person, but then suddenly in the final loop, he wasn't. There was no story or character development that led to that, he just was.

It's really quite good for what it is, and I looked forward to it every week. I just think it needed a little more time to go from the dramatic climax to is resolution.

I didn't see it as Sing and Gap getting closer and closer, I saw it as revealing that they had been together from the start but keeping it secret - they more or less said that. In public Sing was treating him the same, but then we got to see them in private and Gap was mad at him for how he had been treated.

But do you see what you're saying? "Tin's POV had to change to expose the organ trade" - that's people's characters having to change to serve the progression of the plot, which is not good writing. Tin should be Tin. Things that happen to him can cause changes in his outlook, but you can't just make him a behave totally out of character because the plot needs him to. The plot needs to be constructed around the nature of th characters.

I'm not wound up about it - what I said was that I think he writing was superb for most of it and got lazy in the last few eps. Jinta and the looping is the magic. If you put in more, it's just cheating to get through difficult plot points rather than thinking them through. If Jinta had given the notebook to Tin and then given it to Tol, or if Tol had found it, it wouldn't have been as bad - but Tin giving it to Tol as a ghost was silly, and the kissing to remember was silly and arbitary. I thought it really weakened the almost spiritual commitment between Tol and Tin - when Tol said "this isn't the first time, is it?" just before he died, that was one of the best BL moments of all time. But then it just became silly with Tol trying to steal kisses from Tin and became unintentionally funny rather than powerful.

If you have to invent a reason in your head for the notebook, then the writing is bad. It should be explicit. Your reasoning is sound, but you shouldn't need to come up with an explanation - the writing should.

Issuing a critique of writing isn't "getting wound up" it's discussing a show in a discussion forum about the show. If you can't listen to different opinions without getting insulting, maybe a discussion forum isn't he healthiest place for you.

I'm not put off at all my your tone - I enjoy it and I like your your passion and forthrightness. It's better to strongly commit to being totally wrong than to be half-assed about it. :)

Just in terms of definitions - to me a "trope" is something like an uke literally tripping over his own feet, being caught by a seme and them staring at each other until they turn gay.

Or like when someone randomly shows up miles away from where he would be for any reason just at the perfect moment to witness something to be totally misinterpreted. I don't hink that happened here. There was a spefic reason why everyone showed up - they worked out logically where Vee would be and they went there. While everyone's interpretation of what Vee and Ploy were doing was off, he was not just standing there innocently while an evil schemer deliberately kissed him to cause a misunderstanding. He was weak and didn't disengage from her, and she had a weak moment because he was so kind to her.

What I'm finding as a difference from you is that you're taking what seems to me to be an excessively judgmental view of Vee's human failings while ignoring Nuea and Mark's equal or greater issues - both of them, and especially Mark (with Bar) did not take "no" for an answer, and there was zero wiggle-room in Bar's very strong "no", and while Nuea is correct that Vee allowed himself to be in a position he shouldn't have Mark has been doing that even worse since Ep 1, so why is it OK for him? He should have told Vee they couldn't see each other at all until he was definitively broken up with Ploy, and TBH he shouldn't have allowed himself to get involved with Vee at all.

Not respecting a no isn't OK just because Mark's an uke, any more than sexual harassment of a man by a woman is any more OK than the other way around - but people tend to somehow think it's not as bad. Note hat unlike Mark or Nuea, Vee DID take no for an answer, no matter how shattering it was for him.

About ep 1 I can't really argue because it's awful. While I think the way it was laid out is impossible, the choices to me are stark: Either Vee was totally aware that Mark thought he was someone else and had sex with him anyway in which case he's a rapist and this entire series is inexcusable, or Vee assumed, since it's impossible that Mark didn't know it was him, that Mark was hurting and wanted to get laid, so he obliged, for which I can't blame him because, well, Mark. In that case he cheated on his gf and made a very questionable decision on many levels.

I have too - I don't excuse them, but when you're young, drinking, and in bed with a hot guy, stuff happens. Hell, when you're old and not been drinking and in bed with a hot guy, stuff happens. Fidelity is to a large extent avoiding temptation, because there are always circumstance under which you'll give in to them.

Me too - I didn't like the Yearbook - it's one of those glacially-paced stories where people take 45 minutes to speak a sentence and then stare at each other for another 45 minutes. Also, only 5% of it has any content, and the remaining 95% is just flashbacks of that 5%. I'm not joking about this, there are flashbacks that have flashbacks - it's almost funny.

But I sat through every second if it for fear of missing a second of Tonnam - just writing "Tonnam" gives me a warm shiver and makes my pants not fit. So f#$%ing hot. I would drown a puppy for 5 minutes with him. OK, not really, but I would withhhold a doggy treat from a puppy for 5 minutes with him.

OK, that was LOL - good point.

Oh, that's really interesting info - thanks for sharing that. Now that you say it, it's completely obivous. American productions are full of product placement, but they're totally non-intrusive. A character might have a Coke on his desk, but he won't chug in profile with an orgasmic look on his face and discuss its nutritional properties.

But lately it's gotten out of hand in Thai BL. I don't know if you've ever seen anything by Wayufilm, but they have some hillarious send ups of the phenomenon. There's one where the main couple are taking a shower together and one whips out two bars of soap, and starts on all their qualities and how h brought one for each of them in two wonderful scents etc. and other says "Are you selling the fucking soap? Now bend over." Not exactly that crude, but his fac e said it all.

Someday I'll read one of the novels to see how diffrent it is. So far I've never gotten past the first chapter of anything because the translations are too poor o enjoy. Subtitles with a lot of mistakes are usually OK because you have the imagery to make up for it. When it's a written work, though, the style and grammar matters.

OK, why was Tin evil in the final loop? It turns out he turned Rit over to Dr. Sak which we'd never gotten any hint of before, and that certainly would have made him feel guilty. He also wasn't particularly put off by Dr. Sak's plan to HARVEST THE ORGANS of drunk drivers, which is Hitler-level evil.

Time loops are resets - so why does something you wrote in a notebook still exist when you go back to a time before you wrote it? Why does a kiss restore memories of past time loops? Just touching lips does it? It didn't matter if it was consensual or not, or if there was any feeling behind it. Even in fairly tales it's the Prince's love behind the kiss that holds the magic. Why not just go to the morgue and slice off a cadaver's lips and run around smacking everyone with them to make them remember everything? It was all arbirary and lazy.

I still liked it, but Ep 1-9 were a 10 for me but the rest was a 6 or 7. Which still leaves it better than 95% of BLs and better than anything in the last few months or airing currently with the exception IMO of Love Mechanics.

I think that must certainly have been a factor. I don't think many people really liked the other two stories. One of them I have no memories of at all, and the other (Bar & what's-his-name) was so umpleasant I was creeped out he whole time.

But Mark & Vee was fantastic and memorable. In the first version, War was amazing an Yin was OK, but he didn't put in the stellar performance he's given in this version.