Overall, I really like this series, one of my favourites at the moment, but you make a lot of valid criticisms…
I think what keeps me is the Pob/Leon storyline, which is actually quite well-written, with a character (Leon) who's both aggressive and respectful, which is why I have a hard time believing Mame wrote their story. Normally in her stories Leon would have raped Pob by now.
I also think Leo is about as hot as a man can get (although I'm starting to think Leon is serious competition here!), so there's that. I feel bad for First, who at least had an interesting if frustrating character to play - now all he's given to do is be childish, then sulky, then childish again. He's experienced and talented, and can do and deserves much more than this. I even liked him as a cat (Close Friend Ep 2).
I think the lack of heat is the director. For all the flaws of TT1, there was definitely steam. TT2 had a different director (this one), and I actually LOL'd at the sex scenes in TT2, like the one directly ripped off of Titanic. That was a great metaphor for that series, BTW.
Anyway, there's time for this to turn out better, but it really, really needs to develop a plot soon.
I can't stand the on the knees technique, to create space, but it's used in Asia, even in well produced series…
I'm with you on the Love Story line. The foundation of love is respect, and apologizing shows respect for other people's feelings. The problem I had with Fiat's explosion was not that he did it, it's that it's now become inconsistent with his character (as opposed to how he used to be), and then he immediately reverted to being a sulky uber-uke. AND he never apologized. So he: 1) disrespected Leo, 2) embarassed him in public - and worse, embarassed Pob in public, 3) has no trust in Leo, and 4) didn't apologize. That's a lot of wrong, and some of those are serious relatonship problems. Not apologizing suggests he thinks he was right to react that way. That moment could have been played for some good comedy (I would have had him turn and slap Leon - "you made me think there was something fishy about helping ORPHANS?")
I think Leo was correct not to tell Fiat, because it's a private matter that doesn't involve him. Best case would have been if he'd asked for permission from Pob to discuss it with Fiat, but I don't blame him for that not occurring to him - I would never think that meeting with an orphan to discuss a routine donation to an orphanage could possibly be something that would bother a boyfriend.
Now contrast FIat with Leon, who read a subtle cue from Pob and quickly aborted doing anything that would make him uncomfortable, and even apologized. THAT is a gentleman, and exactly what I would want - a man who's aggressive but also strictly respectful. And you could see that Pob definitely noticed.
I thougt Ep 2 was considerably better than Ep 1 - the story is slow burn, and I'm wondering how they'll get it all done in just 10 eps, but the pacing is natural and unhurried, which I like. I still think Kaleb is a little underused, but he at least got to show a little range this ep. His relationship with his brother is sweet.
The quality of this is much higher than the usual low-budget production - this is promising so far, and I like all the characters. I thought I would really dislike Shakespeare because I was expecting the usual trans-shaming pathetic lecherous "comedy" character, but this is a nuanced and realized character and I'm really happy about that.
Is this set in the present? Isn't it a little odd for someone to not know that there are men who are attracted to men?
Leon really wanted to kiss Pob but refrained out of respect for Pob, cause he knew Pob doesn’t have the same…
I was super-impressed by that, and it looked like Pob was too. That was a fairly subtle touch - Pob didn't recoil from the kiss, but he did draw back very slightly, and clearly Leon was paying attention to social cues and not blinded by his own desires. He's a real gentleman and a great catch.
I didn't think Phob's apartment looked rich - it was a studio with just a bed in the same space as the kitchen.…
That does sound fairly expensive for a student. He did say he was adopted, so he's not like Kaitoon on Love Area, so he might have a well-off family. Or maybe he's raising those cats to sell to Chinese labs for medical experiments in order to support himself.
Hey over there, stfu and stop commenting bullshit . You don't like this series? Well, keep it to yourself and…
Which you say in an incredibly immature and hateful comment. If you don't like opinions that are not the same as yours, why are you in a comments section?
This series is really bad, BTW. If you'd like, I can recommend some good ones.
Barging into a public place and screaming at your boyfriend for cheating on you because he's talking to another…
They didn't calmly discuss it - Fiat just said he wasn't jealous and failed to apologize for his appalling and untrusting behavior.
Jealousy is a real thing, but it needs to be motivated by something real, otherwise you just have no trust in your partner, and I don't think you can really love someone you don't trust. Leo was literally helping orphans when Fiat barged in and yelled at him publicly. Sorry, but that's not excusable - at least not without a sincere and serious apology.
I didn't ask for your advice on what to watch, but if I need any I'll be sure to contact you.
That scene when Leon and Fiat caught Leo and Pob together is so cringey. I believe that episode 5 could be written…
I love sex scenes but that one made be cringe. I just wanted it to be over. Leo should dump Firat and find someone who won't accuse him of cheating when he's trying to help orphans.
Okay... I'm disappointed the trailer is different from the plot.The storyline of pob liking leo and leon trying…
Tired? But they were able to fall back on the subject of doing household chores. How could you ever get tired of that? And we got more unmotivated and petty jealousy and a totally passionless love scene as a bonus.
Finally done with episode 5. I wish i could send a voicenote because I'm so furious at everything...
Were you upset that Fiat accused Leo of cheating on him for no reason while he was helping orphans and never apologized or suffered any consequences for his pyschotic and untrusting behavior? Or was it the unnecessary and strangely cold and stiff sex scene? Or is it the endless supply of cartoonishly evil people Fiat apparently slept with? Maybe the total lack of plot or any perceivable reason for this series to exist? Am I getting warm?
I really dislike Pob character, he have some issues, he never smile maybe it is the main reason, in real life…
I didn't think Phob's apartment looked rich - it was a studio with just a bed in the same space as the kitchen. But I'm American and we tend to have unnecessarily large living spaces. On the other hand, Leo & Fiat are living in a gigantic palace and we're supposed to believe they're cleaning it themselves? Come on. As if Leo's mother would ever allow that.
Pob smiled at the end of this episode - I think he's a little afraid of Leon and what all this means.
The sex scene was terrible. It was stiff, and as you mentioned the lighting was harsh. There is always a large space between their bodies, which is strange, and there was no real purpose to the scene - it would have been better to have Fiat competently seduce him and then have the rest off-camera. There's no real purpose to any scene, because there is zero plot.
For this episode, I feel like it was more for Leon and Pob so I am ok with that but I do feel like Fiat owe Leo…
He publicly accused Leo of cheating on him while Leo was helping orphans. I'm not sure there's any apology that can make up for that. That's not "cute" jealously, that's a dangerous lack of trust and Leo should not just humor him.
I really liked that Leon read Phob's subtle cues and didn't try to kiss him - that shows his sensitivity to other people and his gentlemanly nature, and it seemed to really have a strong positive effect on Phob.
So it feels like they got a good writer for Leon & Phob and a terrible writer for Leo and Fiat. So I'm going to assume Mame did Leo and Fiat and her talented assistant handled Leon & Phob.
There is no plot. It's just Fiat being sulky and jealous all the time over stupid things and Leo humoring him, which he should stop doing. The main story this ep was about doing household chores. Is that interesting in any way?
There was a secondary jealously (again) plotline wherein Fiat loudly accused Leo in public of cheating on him while Leo was HELPING ORPHANS. And Fiat never apologized. Fiat's "I'm shy as a 12-year old Victorian maiden" routine is really old. And it's also not Fiat - what happened to him? When did he go from feisty and bad to this tiresome boring person? And when he was a big ho, did he only sleep around with cartoonishly evil people for some reason?
I usually want love scenes, but I just wanted that one to be over. I would trade all of them for something milder that looked genuinely intimate. Leo and Fiat always have at least a foot of void space between their bodies - it's weird and lacks any passion or chemistry. One thing 7 Project did really well was when there was a kiss, their bodies were pressed together and it looked real. I don't understand what's happened - Leo & Fiat used to have chemistry - where did it go? This feels like a money grab and nobody bothered to come up with a story to tell or develop any idea of what they would do all day.
And would someone just make the sound effects STOP? There were scenes where I had to turn off the volume and just read to give my brain a break. Anyway, I like Leon & Phob a lot, but 2x isn't fast enough to get through the rest.
I love that they keep setting up drama that would become overblown in other series, and then immediately solving…
Barging into a public place and screaming at your boyfriend for cheating on you because he's talking to another person isn't "talking it out", it's acting like a psycho baby. In reality, they were talking about helping orphans, and even when that is revealed, Fiat never apologized for his absolutely unacceptable behavior, and that Leo has no issue with it makes him codependent in this unhealthy relationship.
There's no plot to this story - it's just about people being constantly irrationally jealous, which means they don't trust their partner, which means they shouldn't be together.
At least Leo and Phob are cute, when they aren't drowned out by the endless sound effects.
Have you watched episode 6 yet? There is a very nice scene where Valen and Kaitoon are lying on the beach as the…
I haven't seen 6 yet - I've been watching it on GagaOOhLala and I think 5&6 are out in a couple of days.
I remember him in FF - I guess his lot in life is to remind us that assholes always win. Valen isn't really an asshole, he's just spoiled and cluelss. I still think Kaitoon is nuts to pick him over Nont, but that's love. I think K is attracted to him because V's really kind of sweet under all that, and some guys have a bit of White Knight syndrome and need to be needed.
I also think Leo is about as hot as a man can get (although I'm starting to think Leon is serious competition here!), so there's that. I feel bad for First, who at least had an interesting if frustrating character to play - now all he's given to do is be childish, then sulky, then childish again. He's experienced and talented, and can do and deserves much more than this. I even liked him as a cat (Close Friend Ep 2).
I think the lack of heat is the director. For all the flaws of TT1, there was definitely steam. TT2 had a different director (this one), and I actually LOL'd at the sex scenes in TT2, like the one directly ripped off of Titanic. That was a great metaphor for that series, BTW.
Anyway, there's time for this to turn out better, but it really, really needs to develop a plot soon.
I think Leo was correct not to tell Fiat, because it's a private matter that doesn't involve him. Best case would have been if he'd asked for permission from Pob to discuss it with Fiat, but I don't blame him for that not occurring to him - I would never think that meeting with an orphan to discuss a routine donation to an orphanage could possibly be something that would bother a boyfriend.
Now contrast FIat with Leon, who read a subtle cue from Pob and quickly aborted doing anything that would make him uncomfortable, and even apologized. THAT is a gentleman, and exactly what I would want - a man who's aggressive but also strictly respectful. And you could see that Pob definitely noticed.
The quality of this is much higher than the usual low-budget production - this is promising so far, and I like all the characters. I thought I would really dislike Shakespeare because I was expecting the usual trans-shaming pathetic lecherous "comedy" character, but this is a nuanced and realized character and I'm really happy about that.
Is this set in the present? Isn't it a little odd for someone to not know that there are men who are attracted to men?
This series is really bad, BTW. If you'd like, I can recommend some good ones.
Jealousy is a real thing, but it needs to be motivated by something real, otherwise you just have no trust in your partner, and I don't think you can really love someone you don't trust. Leo was literally helping orphans when Fiat barged in and yelled at him publicly. Sorry, but that's not excusable - at least not without a sincere and serious apology.
I didn't ask for your advice on what to watch, but if I need any I'll be sure to contact you.
Pob smiled at the end of this episode - I think he's a little afraid of Leon and what all this means.
The sex scene was terrible. It was stiff, and as you mentioned the lighting was harsh. There is always a large space between their bodies, which is strange, and there was no real purpose to the scene - it would have been better to have Fiat competently seduce him and then have the rest off-camera. There's no real purpose to any scene, because there is zero plot.
So it feels like they got a good writer for Leon & Phob and a terrible writer for Leo and Fiat. So I'm going to assume Mame did Leo and Fiat and her talented assistant handled Leon & Phob.
There is no plot. It's just Fiat being sulky and jealous all the time over stupid things and Leo humoring him, which he should stop doing. The main story this ep was about doing household chores. Is that interesting in any way?
There was a secondary jealously (again) plotline wherein Fiat loudly accused Leo in public of cheating on him while Leo was HELPING ORPHANS. And Fiat never apologized. Fiat's "I'm shy as a 12-year old Victorian maiden" routine is really old. And it's also not Fiat - what happened to him? When did he go from feisty and bad to this tiresome boring person? And when he was a big ho, did he only sleep around with cartoonishly evil people for some reason?
I usually want love scenes, but I just wanted that one to be over. I would trade all of them for something milder that looked genuinely intimate. Leo and Fiat always have at least a foot of void space between their bodies - it's weird and lacks any passion or chemistry. One thing 7 Project did really well was when there was a kiss, their bodies were pressed together and it looked real. I don't understand what's happened - Leo & Fiat used to have chemistry - where did it go? This feels like a money grab and nobody bothered to come up with a story to tell or develop any idea of what they would do all day.
And would someone just make the sound effects STOP? There were scenes where I had to turn off the volume and just read to give my brain a break. Anyway, I like Leon & Phob a lot, but 2x isn't fast enough to get through the rest.
There's no plot to this story - it's just about people being constantly irrationally jealous, which means they don't trust their partner, which means they shouldn't be together.
At least Leo and Phob are cute, when they aren't drowned out by the endless sound effects.
I remember him in FF - I guess his lot in life is to remind us that assholes always win. Valen isn't really an asshole, he's just spoiled and cluelss. I still think Kaitoon is nuts to pick him over Nont, but that's love. I think K is attracted to him because V's really kind of sweet under all that, and some guys have a bit of White Knight syndrome and need to be needed.