I don't know what to say except that I whole-heartedly disagree with you on almost every word you wrote here.…
LOL, the thing that didn't bother me bothered you - we really are opposites on this. Phob said he would explain why he hasn't been in contact - so I'm suspending judgment.
Oh sorry - I didn't correct the number of eps - I've watched all 10 that have subtitles. I did mention that in…
I didn't say I don't like the characters at all - the reason I've continued to watch it is because I like the characters. That's the strongest thing this has going for it, and I think all the actors are doing a great job. When I say "IG is terrible" I don't mean IG in general, I mean his singing. I likeeverything else about him.
But when there are things in a BL that are homophobic or damaging representation (like presenting homosexuality as a choice, which it is not), I have to object.
I don't think you have anything peronal against me - you've been explaining why you think things, which is not an attack, you're just expressing strong opinions which is a good thing - I likebeing challenged because it can help me see things in a new way. It also underscores where my point should be more clear so that it's understood, and that's helpful too.
Are you sure? Shin Woo was horrible to TK because he liked him but to drive him away because he didn't want anyone…
He hit on him by crashing into him in the hallway. From what we've seen before, it was to protect himself from harassment - didn't they say he had to leave his previous school? If it's fear of disappointment, it hasn't been portrayed that way, or at least not clearly. He even said he tried to get TK's attention, but when he realized it wouldn't happen he gave up.
I never heard anything good or bad about this one. Are you guys liking it? I'm waiting until is finished to start.
It has a lot of great qualities, but it's very slow, not in a good way. If I could watch it over I would ff through the flashback scenes. There are a LOT of flashback scenes, and they're often scenes that we just saw. But the acting, production quality, and story are good.
I don’t know what to say it’s not bad but at the same time kind of boring. It’s too slow
There's too many longer-than-necessary scenes, Nut speaks way way too slowly, and there were so many memory montages that I lost the will to live. That might be a slight exaggeration for the sake of being dramatic, but it was a bit heavy on flashbacks.
No, you're right. Not only that but Part 3 has a huge chunk of BTS.
In that case I'd hate to see your definition of "dragged". I actually had to go splash my face with water because I was having trouble staying conscious during the bed scene. This is good, but it's also a little tedious because it's too slow. Slow-burn is good. This is not burning, it's got too much extraneous material that doesn't move the story forward.
The only thing I'd change is how long the scenes feel drawn out. I think Mean is like a novelist writing their…
I should have read down first before posting because I've duplicated what you said.
I agree, but don't think it's endearing. It probably means he thinks he knows best and didn't listen to advice from the people who must have been telling him to cut it down.
That was one flashback montage short of making me commit seppuku.
Was the adapted from a play? It feels like it - a bit too much dialog. Or rather, it's spoken really, really slowly, with long pauses between each phrase. I was having real trouble staying awake during the scene where they were talking in bed. The payoff was good, but we could have got there in one-third the time.
I think there's a classic mistake being made, which is to fall in love with the material and lose the perspective you need to cut out what shouldn't be there. Some people like the so-called "director's cuts" (usually not a director's cut but the existing one with deleted scenes thrown back in), but the scenes that were cut out were cut for a reason, and it's because the film is better without them. Did Phob need to stare at the gate for 37 hours? No. It was the underscore his nervousness about what Nut's reaction will be, but we've been feeling that strongly from the minute the second we saw him returned.
And how many flashback montages can you stuff into one episode? And they're all the same.
Overall this is good, but the way-too-long scenes are robbing this of a lot of its dramatic energy. I hope the entire series isn't like this because it has so many good elements - the acting, cinematography, and the basic storyline are all really good.
Yeah its another school drama we are so fed up of. No it's not, was what I was thinking at the beginning of episode…
I'm not at all bothered by this being a school drama, because it doesn't follow the same tired formula. I would, howeve, prefer that it be condensed by about 30%. I really drags, even though the acting & cinematography are really good.
I really like that last part. What bothers me the most about the "evil female" in BLs is not that she's excessively…
I think it's also related to the consent issue. There's an attitude that you're not really gay unless you're a bottom, and so a man can't seek or enjoy bottoming, so he has to be forced. It's similar to how women are often forced in straight dramas - women shouldn't seek and enjoy sex or they're whores.
It's amazing that raping someone can be seen as less bad than bottoming or being a willing woman.
Oh sorry - I didn't correct the number of eps - I've watched all 10 that have subtitles. I did mention that in…
Yes, 8-10 are available from ThaiBLFan92's patreon, but you have to subscribe. You could wait until he's done and subscribe for one month and watch it all.
I review every BL I watch (well, I try to). If I think it's bad, it gets a bad review. If it's good, it gets a good review. I don't think a BL has an inherent right to only have positive things said about it. Not liking one BL isn't a crime against all BL.
IG is terrible. His rythm is bad and his intonation is way off. It's not the actor's fault - not everyone can sing, and there's nothing wrong with that. But it's ridiculous that he was put in that position. Most movies about musicians have an actual musician that's dubbed over the actors - why not do that here?
If you like this show, then write a review explaining what you think is good about it. This is a discussion forum - the point of it is for us to type what we think.
People shitting on Da On in the comments are really clueless. Yes, his behavior was hurtful towards Taekyung but…
If you haven't been through it, it's hard to understand - I think you and many others have insight into it, but a lot of people clearly don't. It's not just a matter of figuring out who you are. If you live in a repressive society, courage isn't enough - if you have to decide between hiding and survival, isn't hiding the better choice?
You've probably heard the expression "Men fear women will ridicule them. Women fear men will kill them." Well, gay kids have to fear both. Women can easily understand homophobia because it's very similar to misogyny. And while misogyny is a source of violence against women, you aren't generally beaten for being a woman, whereas the level of bullying and violence LGBTQ+ youth risk and endure is endemic, even in more tolerant cultures.
I'm what one might call a "mature adult" (i.e. old), but there are still daily consequences. I had to leave a Korean company because of the homophobia of the culture - they can tolerate gay men to an extent, but never in leadership positions (and while that hasn't happened at an American company for a while, I've certainly lost jobs for being gay in the past). I don't think even I can imagine the horror of being a gay kid attending a Korean high school, which is brutal enough even for straight boys.
As for these horrible female characters, I could not have survived without women protecting me - it almost hurts to see how spiteful and evil female characters are in BL when women are often all that stands between gay men and death, literally.
I really like that last part. What bothers me the most about the "evil female" in BLs is not that she's excessively…
There's something to this - maybe it's worth looking into. Is there a female equivalent of internalized homophobia in BL writers? Internalized misogyny? Is that why they write romances that don't include a woman, and have such loathesome female characters?
What's interesting is there is very little attempt to adapt a typical romance to fit two men, i.e. one is essentially just a traditional romance woman (the uke) with a boy in the role, and the other is the man (the seme). You almost never see equality between them - they stick to a very 19th c dynamic, which is regressive and sexist enough when it's a m/f romance, and downright odd when it's two men.
I really like that last part. What bothers me the most about the "evil female" in BLs is not that she's excessively…
It's just anecdotal, but I've never once had an evil female meddling in a romantic relationship. I've had females meddling on my behalf to encourage a romantic relationship, many times, and I think most people have. I've never even met anyone who has had an evil female meddle with their relationship.
If she's responsible for the photo (and we all know she is), then redemption is not possible for her. In which case I want serious consequences and not a "sorry" "it's ok," which we always seem to see, no matter how horrible the person has been.
But when there are things in a BL that are homophobic or damaging representation (like presenting homosexuality as a choice, which it is not), I have to object.
I don't think you have anything peronal against me - you've been explaining why you think things, which is not an attack, you're just expressing strong opinions which is a good thing - I likebeing challenged because it can help me see things in a new way. It also underscores where my point should be more clear so that it's understood, and that's helpful too.
I agree, but don't think it's endearing. It probably means he thinks he knows best and didn't listen to advice from the people who must have been telling him to cut it down.
That was one flashback montage short of making me commit seppuku.
I think there's a classic mistake being made, which is to fall in love with the material and lose the perspective you need to cut out what shouldn't be there. Some people like the so-called "director's cuts" (usually not a director's cut but the existing one with deleted scenes thrown back in), but the scenes that were cut out were cut for a reason, and it's because the film is better without them. Did Phob need to stare at the gate for 37 hours? No. It was the underscore his nervousness about what Nut's reaction will be, but we've been feeling that strongly from the minute the second we saw him returned.
And how many flashback montages can you stuff into one episode? And they're all the same.
Overall this is good, but the way-too-long scenes are robbing this of a lot of its dramatic energy. I hope the entire series isn't like this because it has so many good elements - the acting, cinematography, and the basic storyline are all really good.
Also, that's not what the patronas charm is for.
It's amazing that raping someone can be seen as less bad than bottoming or being a willing woman.
I review every BL I watch (well, I try to). If I think it's bad, it gets a bad review. If it's good, it gets a good review. I don't think a BL has an inherent right to only have positive things said about it. Not liking one BL isn't a crime against all BL.
IG is terrible. His rythm is bad and his intonation is way off. It's not the actor's fault - not everyone can sing, and there's nothing wrong with that. But it's ridiculous that he was put in that position. Most movies about musicians have an actual musician that's dubbed over the actors - why not do that here?
If you like this show, then write a review explaining what you think is good about it. This is a discussion forum - the point of it is for us to type what we think.
You've probably heard the expression "Men fear women will ridicule them. Women fear men will kill them." Well, gay kids have to fear both. Women can easily understand homophobia because it's very similar to misogyny. And while misogyny is a source of violence against women, you aren't generally beaten for being a woman, whereas the level of bullying and violence LGBTQ+ youth risk and endure is endemic, even in more tolerant cultures.
I'm what one might call a "mature adult" (i.e. old), but there are still daily consequences. I had to leave a Korean company because of the homophobia of the culture - they can tolerate gay men to an extent, but never in leadership positions (and while that hasn't happened at an American company for a while, I've certainly lost jobs for being gay in the past). I don't think even I can imagine the horror of being a gay kid attending a Korean high school, which is brutal enough even for straight boys.
As for these horrible female characters, I could not have survived without women protecting me - it almost hurts to see how spiteful and evil female characters are in BL when women are often all that stands between gay men and death, literally.
What's interesting is there is very little attempt to adapt a typical romance to fit two men, i.e. one is essentially just a traditional romance woman (the uke) with a boy in the role, and the other is the man (the seme). You almost never see equality between them - they stick to a very 19th c dynamic, which is regressive and sexist enough when it's a m/f romance, and downright odd when it's two men.