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Nah, that gives the GSJ haters a celebration party. Why should he die as a sacrifice? Am glad he's not dead. There were posts for first half of show celebrating his death in trailers with no spoiler tags, and constant ignoring of his validity, and excusing GZY simply coz he's ML.

And plus, it would be a cowardly narrative to make him die a hero in a story where he's been unfavorably biased against by most of the characters. He has to die for them? When it's stated that living is what one should aspire to? He dies and YZ mourns him and maybe SGQ while the rest get to live without any real gratitude or respect for him?

I am not one of the ones complaining, I am just watching and enjoying the show for what it is. But those people are not saying the FL as portrayed isn't all of those things. They are criticizing the choice to write the SFL as an all out villain, cheater, etc. So yeah the SFL was a bad person from the start and it can, may make sense that she was cheating. But why make SFL that way, is their complaint. Also, SFL could've been all those things, selfish wanting the relationship for her ego, selfish needs, etc. But still she didn't have to be cheating. Showing her cheating is the easy way for the writers is the point.

I don't know about full glass or not or half glass....but SY watched the CCTV from when she poured the water, JK getting interrupted and putting down the glass, and SY taking it and drinking it.

@L13 He told GZY about the trial because as he said so many rules were broken, and yes I can agree that the next line can be cheeky as in 'oh, did I help you' but it could also be just as it is... he didn't help GZY anything that wasn't already out already with the rules broken.

As he said, the rules were already broken. He said that because 1) ZY already broke the rules by being out of there... 2) YWS also broke the rules and was participating in their cheating plan, which involved YZ. So yes, of course YZ is going to need an explanation, which he just explained because so many rules were already broken.

Nothing he said actually gave YZany information in helping YZ pass the test when he takes it. Because that poison only works on ZY. And enough news had reached YZ also without GSJ that ZY had spent three days...

Cool. Good to end this convo

But you have no problem arguing or making sure to respond whenever someome brings up the point of ZY cheating. You have no problem repeating this answer over and over. Just don't like it that someone contested this point instead of just letting it be.

Should we compare our post count on this site?

It's obvious you thought you could keep saying this without anyone questioning this made-up fact..

You said he promised. He neither hinted nor promised. i don't need to go back and watch. I remember clearly if we are talking about same scene.

And since you don't care to elaborate which scene or when, i will assume it is indeed the scene after 1st trial.

Anyway good for acknowledging that indeed there's been constant cheating. The excuse now is that everyone cheats though GSJ hasn't shown to do that nor did he ever promise or hint he will help ZY. In fact, if I remember correctly, when he didn't respond ZY said he has no plans and he doesn't need to do it, to which SJ tells him he must and YZ becomes quiet and has an expression.

Anyway i asked and you can't answer because he never promised as you said first nor hinted.

Yes. He has had bent-rules, favoritism, wink-wink helping hand, and straight up acknowledgment, jokes of cheating.

But it's okay. I understand that he has become SW and it's best he passes and becomes capable. But I absolutely think the narrative keeps reinforcing this aspect over and over.

Edit. And no, GSJ never promised nor hinted to ZY that he would help him cheat or give him tips or pointers.

Where did he promise that? YZ stated that, but SJ didn't respond let alone promise. I may have missed or am forgetting something. But I don't remember. Where did he promise that?

I appreciate the director because here he actually shows a journey where from the start his foes are not bad guys, and not only that, his challengers and foes are not wrong either. In fact, they may have been wronged in favor of this hero. (Why did the SW want to give flower to GHY to ensure he would pass the trials?)

GSJ is competent and he just wants best for the Gongs. People speculated early on that he wants to make sure SW was capable and qualified and ZY was not capable at that point. I would also argue that he isn't more capable than GSJ either but for whatever special messiah-like secret he's born with and also consistent and constant preferential treatment.

Anyway I have no expectation of this happening, but GZY, Jin Fan, Back Hill people and Elders seriously should at least once acknowledge in front of GSJ and GYZ that GSJ was correct to force ZY and prove himself capable, and also acknowledge and admit whatever favoritism or whatever they displayed back when they picked the HY as the HW was unfair to him. Which he still doesn't hold against the Gongs.(Won't get into favoritism currently, which is also there, but what's done is done. ZY is SW and best he become capable.)

And yeah, no matter what like you said, GSJ even GYZ have been putting in effort and working for the family while GZY has no appreciation for that at all, even now refuses to acknowledge it fully and still cares more than he should about upping GSJ.

YQ said to Yue two years ago that Anonymous came 10 years earlier, so from present time that's 12 years earlier. But Ravens told the two brides Anonymous infiltrated 22 years earlier. Also YQ seems to have been told that she is to try find Anonymous, but the brides were never really told to try to find him/her (at least from what we saw so far).

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but unless subtitles are incorrect there is a discrepancy in the timeline YQ gave and the timeline the Ravens gave. Could be that information wasn't given correctly to YQ.

What was the exact explanation HJ gave to NY. Or did she even give one, because the topic changed to her stalker, and NY left. She just told SY that she told NY.

As you said, they really cannot back out from the potion. The whole thing story imo only works because he indeed was affected by something. And his behavior now is him dealing with real affinity, feelings, along with what the potion did, and him being a total mess because of all these factors plus he thinks it was all just his own brain.

I acknowledge the relationship is a messy one. Also acknowledge SFL is just classic trope, so I don't really care to hate or her diss her or whatever.

I understand him just as I understand her. He is in a situation, and no I don't believe it was attraction from the start but something the spell jumpstarted--their fate and attraction.

But from his standpoint, he wouldn't just throw caution to the wind at this point and neither would she. I do kind of think there was a point where if one would've the go ahead and say they are all in...they'd be like, okay... let's see how this goes but in a more low key, sensible, slower manner.

But neither are going to do that. He because his position imo, is something where it started because of outside forces--and now he's like effed up because he has one or some other reasoning... etc. So yeah as he mentioned, they spent a lot of time together... so now there are other factors in play, but he can't just go all in because of his situation and how it all started.

And of course now she's definitely not going to go all in either with his situation.

Go to Settings option in the dropdown from your profile. The first tab is profile and next to the profile pic square is 'upload' I think maybe once you have added one, you can't remove but can only add another one.

No, which is what galled HJ and I think why from that point on, even if she had attraction, she was set in her mind. Like she said during the date, he keeps wanting her to take some step towards him but without making any full concessions first himself.

They didn't bury the box, so I think box and books are with SY. Shaman kept saying it will be bad if it's not with SJ. My guess is that the disease spell no longer works because it is neither burried nor with its owner.

I think FL suspects a curse placed with a hanging doll. But the Shaman kept saying the book and box must stay with HJ, unless they bury it. They didn't succeed in burying and I think SY has the box and book.

Older K-dramas, it was very common. One of the most famous dramas, City Hall, is one example. They also had so much melo and went 20 -24 episodes.