Watching episode 21, and I have to say I'm not a YXY/Su-Su criticizer for deceiving TTJ in love and going about…
How do you go out and just give the troop information like that? This is issue with so-called immortals. Who they deem to be the good guys, must be the good guys and they will always be assumed to be in the right, until they are absolutely forced to accept otherwise, after many, many times.
How do you go and just give the info when who you call brother is also on the front lines. Yes, XL is also like a brother, but you damn well know and heard the public talking amongst themselves how it's the Sheng Emperor's paranoia and pride that is fueling this war. You know damn well that the people themselves were talking about how much better Jin Kingdom is.
And yet, you go and tell XL military information. Even XL knows his side is wrong. Same as LSS, Peng Yi Zi also will always believe Sheng is not wrong and when he was criticizing Ye Qing Yu for defecting, XL had to stop himself from telling PYZ that he would've done the same in General Ye's position.
Watching episode 21, and I have to say I'm not a YXY/Su-Su criticizer for deceiving TTJ in love and going about her mission but one thing she really deserves harsh criticism for what she did today and she's lucky she doesn't have to deal with the consequences.
They just want her to sit in his lap. She should have shown more resentment. She saw her own clan getting killed…
Yeah, She knows this is a chance to change the events. I don't agree with those who say she should've been there wailing and seething. What? Why? She knows that if she succeeds, her family will not die. She is sent there for this purpose and she knows that this is her mission, and that's her goal. She had to quickly adjust and acclimate, and deal with the present (which leads to massacre not happening), and not dwell on the past which she is trying to prevent.
It's like... yeah when she has to go quickly into action, why would she be there crying and wallowing in anger? In her mind, this mission means the massacre is not going to happen, so she is not acting and behaving as if it's a done deal.
It's not like she's trying to revive her dead clan where even if they were revived, it wouldn't erase what had happened, and they would've have still gone through that massacre.
She's there to change the timeline so the massacre never happens in the first place.
They just want her to sit in his lap. She should have shown more resentment. She saw her own clan getting killed…
She did hate him, she didn't stop YXW's unjust punishment and torture at the frozen lake and allowed him to almost die even after she acknowledged to herself that this TTJ did not do anything to her family. But circumstances are that she knew he couldn't die, so she had to quickly start making sure he didn't die.
When exactly did YWX aquire the mirror? I don't really remember. Did Jize give it too her in the Barren Abyss?…
After Ji Ze dissipated in the Abyss the mirror appeared in her hand. There is a timeline question of how then the mirror got to the sect in the original timeline since SuSu wouldn't have been there when he died. But, I guess it can be answered that since he's the god of time, he can plan things accordingly.
agreed on all counts. the novel has some really beautiful moments and bits of characterization, but people don't…
Yes. When people say, TTJ in novel was much worse, killed a lot of innocent people etc. I just go, it makes for a better story if his killing was no worse than war in general. It's not due to not being able to accept dark male leads, it's just that it's a better well-rounded story.
Listen, I haven't read the novel. But from what I have read through comments and discussion, I am so, so, glad that this drama has changes, because I think it makes for a better, overall story and product. Unlike LBFD, which I also think is a better product than the novel (which I read afterwards), the story and plot of TtEotM in general is the same, with some difference in characterizations and some (imo) positive changes.
I will go in order by today's episode.
1)Neither the novel nor drama really dwell too much on what a horrible person YXW was before Su-Su takes over. And because of that it makes all her family scenes (with the exception of the younger brother, who can be excused as not being at home when she and family were behaving horribly) always stand out like a sore thumb. Like yeah, the family loves her, but neither original YXW nor the family were decent people, but rather who treated both TTJ and YBC badly.
And because of this, I am glad for what seems to be the changes in YBC storyline. Fans seem to ignore the fact that like TTJ, YBC too was not treated well. And yes she behaved in her own selfish manner but she also is swayed by emotions, which TTJ didn't have. So for this, I am glad YBC character has a third arc in the immortal life, probably more sympathetic to her story and character than novel and fans would want her to be.
2) Making mortal TTJ a level-headed person who only acts out when he's been harmed, and then harnesses evil energies to maintain certain goals, and not to just go on random killing sprees. To just say TTJ is made less evil/watered down for audience and/or because of censorship does a disservice to the great writing.
It is simply a better story and characterization, and even more ironic. Because It is only when when he dies that he becomes one with devil-god and starts a path or senseless destruction. In original timeline he probably would've died by the lake though afterwards devil-god tells him it's not yet time to die (in this timeline most likely). The mortal TTJ though he uses methods deemed wrong by LSS, is not, and never has been, ruthless without reason., and never senselessly destructive.
The fact that TTJ is a better ruler, a fair ruler, a loyal person (and actually even his brother seemed to value loyalty the way he said has no use for people who turn on their loyalty)--makes the story much more nuanced and rounded out rather than just same old-- outright evil for no rhyme or reason who would just indiscriminately kill.
What Su-Su is trying to prevent is what will inevitably happen after he dies, which is the indiscriminate bloodshed, world going into chaos etc. So she has to do what she has to do. The irony is that TTJ is able to be this just, fair ruler harnessing demon power *because* the devil-bone is inside him. So while his kingdom is fair now, it's only that way because he has the power of the devil-bone. And having the devil-bone will lead to chaos and destruction once mortal TTJ dies.
It also makes sense for Su-Su to love someone like this and give someone like mortal TTJ a chance to live on because the mortal person has a sense of justice and fairness. Even if he is cunning and will have underhanded methods or even plans, he is a better person than people not considered evil such as Sheng Emperor. He is not a worse person than Xiao Lin who leads what he knows is a needless, expensive, bloody, useless war solely due to his father's ego and paranoia. TTJ uses the demon powers to win a battles and war that the Sheng Emperor started, not he.
To be honest, I am not really against the ML just because he doesn't say ILU and do things like what Bo-Ra is…
Like, it's almost expected and a cliche contrast/juxtaposition that they will have ML declare love and ask FL not to go when it comes to losing FL, which he didn't do so with his gf. It was played during their break-up scene (Bo-Ra saying if he really wanted he would stop someone from leaving and declare love), to drive home the point that the things he really would've/could've said/done--he didn't.
If they don't go that obvious cliche route, I will be pleasantly surprised and will be glad.
Didn't like the ML I am more interested in her sister story than leads .ML is a robot who doesn't know how to…
To be honest, I am not really against the ML just because he doesn't say ILU and do things like what Bo-Ra is always railing about. It's not fair to say his relationship was FwB, since he never cheated or thought about cheating, and like he said--always spent birthdays and holidays with her and always gave her answers when she asked. It's just that he never put in extra effort to be an initiator in many aspects.
It's not right to say his way is wrong while Bo-Ra is all right. What is the point of always saying ILU and doing all the things that her bf did with the exception of proposing? Even proposal she wants some grand proposal while I think when it comes to ML, what would be natural for him would just to discuss it when time comes. But I know that they are probably going to have the ML propose in some way and make heartfelt declarations; instead of just getting to that stage,and the two of them or him simply bringing up and discussing marriage without any grand proposal or surprise proposal or what not.
And that ties into what I agree with you about. He could've/should've done these things with his gf too. Taken out the ring and asked her for a chance and he'll try to do better. I think the thing is, he probably wasn't willing to go for marriage as of yet (and of course they will make it that he will fall in love with the FL so he would do things for FL he didn't for his gf), and so he kept quiet. But he could've tried his shot to genuinely tell her he will try, and let her decide if she wants to continue or not.
Anyway, that's what it is. He obviously, while a little hurt, is not overwhelmingly shattered about it. So he will move on, as he was just going through the relationship.
And I agree it's unfair, that he never did it for his gf, and will do things better with the FL. But 1) that is life. And 2) like I said an earlier comment here, if Yoo-Ri were the FL it would've been a story of him getting his act together for her. But she's not the FL and so it will be for Bo-Ra and I agree it's an inequal treatment in dramaland.
That being said, I don't think Bo-Ra is all correct either and while the advice she gives on the radio show are correct, I think what she says in her books and blogs on how to get and keep a guy are manipulative, and she herself is manipulative and not herself in her own relationship, and puts on a false-face to the audience too (saying marriage isn't the goal of her relationship, etc etc).
Just thinking here with my beans...TTJ was admiring the Demon Lord after dream arc, he surely is attracted by…
Because he already knows he will be devil-god after he dies. It's shown in his convo with the devil-god, when he barely escaped death, in the early episodes.
What exactly was the stuff that TH mixed in the spring water? I didn't get that part. And it's from someone from…
It's harmful to immortals as well. TH only put her hand in the water for a bit and hid the redness till she got away from SJ, where we see her hands are red too. It's why she didn't get in the water with SJ, if it were harmless to her she would have just to witness it all.
YBC is written well, but actress and/or director portray her as only haughty instead of also being stoic and determined to go along with the pride. I realize the novel too wrote her as a villain ignoring her legitimate characterization, but yeah.
How do you go and just give the info when who you call brother is also on the front lines. Yes, XL is also like a brother, but you damn well know and heard the public talking amongst themselves how it's the Sheng Emperor's paranoia and pride that is fueling this war. You know damn well that the people themselves were talking about how much better Jin Kingdom is.
And yet, you go and tell XL military information. Even XL knows his side is wrong. Same as LSS, Peng Yi Zi also will always believe Sheng is not wrong and when he was criticizing Ye Qing Yu for defecting, XL had to stop himself from telling PYZ that he would've done the same in General Ye's position.
It's like... yeah when she has to go quickly into action, why would she be there crying and wallowing in anger? In her mind, this mission means the massacre is not going to happen, so she is not acting and behaving as if it's a done deal.
It's not like she's trying to revive her dead clan where even if they were revived, it wouldn't erase what had happened, and they would've have still gone through that massacre.
She's there to change the timeline so the massacre never happens in the first place.
I will go in order by today's episode.
1)Neither the novel nor drama really dwell too much on what a horrible person YXW was before Su-Su takes over. And because of that it makes all her family scenes (with the exception of the younger brother, who can be excused as not being at home when she and family were behaving horribly) always stand out like a sore thumb. Like yeah, the family loves her, but neither original YXW nor the family were decent people, but rather who treated both TTJ and YBC badly.
And because of this, I am glad for what seems to be the changes in YBC storyline. Fans seem to ignore the fact that like TTJ, YBC too was not treated well. And yes she behaved in her own selfish manner but she also is swayed by emotions, which TTJ didn't have. So for this, I am glad YBC character has a third arc in the immortal life, probably more sympathetic to her story and character than novel and fans would want her to be.
2) Making mortal TTJ a level-headed person who only acts out when he's been harmed, and then harnesses evil energies to maintain certain goals, and not to just go on random killing sprees. To just say TTJ is made less evil/watered down for audience and/or because of censorship does a disservice to the great writing.
It is simply a better story and characterization, and even more ironic. Because It is only when when he dies that he becomes one with devil-god and starts a path or senseless destruction. In original timeline he probably would've died by the lake though afterwards devil-god tells him it's not yet time to die (in this timeline most likely). The mortal TTJ though he uses methods deemed wrong by LSS, is not, and never has been, ruthless without reason., and never senselessly destructive.
The fact that TTJ is a better ruler, a fair ruler, a loyal person (and actually even his brother seemed to value loyalty the way he said has no use for people who turn on their loyalty)--makes the story much more nuanced and rounded out rather than just same old-- outright evil for no rhyme or reason who would just indiscriminately kill.
What Su-Su is trying to prevent is what will inevitably happen after he dies, which is the indiscriminate bloodshed, world going into chaos etc. So she has to do what she has to do. The irony is that TTJ is able to be this just, fair ruler harnessing demon power *because* the devil-bone is inside him. So while his kingdom is fair now, it's only that way because he has the power of the devil-bone. And having the devil-bone will lead to chaos and destruction once mortal TTJ dies.
It also makes sense for Su-Su to love someone like this and give someone like mortal TTJ a chance to live on because the mortal person has a sense of justice and fairness. Even if he is cunning and will have underhanded methods or even plans, he is a better person than people not considered evil such as Sheng Emperor. He is not a worse person than Xiao Lin who leads what he knows is a needless, expensive, bloody, useless war solely due to his father's ego and paranoia. TTJ uses the demon powers to win a battles and war that the Sheng Emperor started, not he.
If they don't go that obvious cliche route, I will be pleasantly surprised and will be glad.
It's not right to say his way is wrong while Bo-Ra is all right. What is the point of always saying ILU and doing all the things that her bf did with the exception of proposing? Even proposal she wants some grand proposal while I think when it comes to ML, what would be natural for him would just to discuss it when time comes. But I know that they are probably going to have the ML propose in some way and make heartfelt declarations; instead of just getting to that stage,and the two of them or him simply bringing up and discussing marriage without any grand proposal or surprise proposal or what not.
And that ties into what I agree with you about. He could've/should've done these things with his gf too. Taken out the ring and asked her for a chance and he'll try to do better. I think the thing is, he probably wasn't willing to go for marriage as of yet (and of course they will make it that he will fall in love with the FL so he would do things for FL he didn't for his gf), and so he kept quiet. But he could've tried his shot to genuinely tell her he will try, and let her decide if she wants to continue or not.
Anyway, that's what it is. He obviously, while a little hurt, is not overwhelmingly shattered about it. So he will move on, as he was just going through the relationship.
And I agree it's unfair, that he never did it for his gf, and will do things better with the FL. But 1) that is life. And 2) like I said an earlier comment here, if Yoo-Ri were the FL it would've been a story of him getting his act together for her. But she's not the FL and so it will be for Bo-Ra and I agree it's an inequal treatment in dramaland.
That being said, I don't think Bo-Ra is all correct either and while the advice she gives on the radio show are correct, I think what she says in her books and blogs on how to get and keep a guy are manipulative, and she herself is manipulative and not herself in her own relationship, and puts on a false-face to the audience too (saying marriage isn't the goal of her relationship, etc etc).
Only consolation is that they would've met the same fate at some point anyway.