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Just started watching this. Heheh. They have a time travel girl from the modern future who is not the FL, not only that a villain. XD

XL told her he as being treated very well in prison. He also explained the geo-political reality to her. TTJ no doubt wouldn't have acted so harshly if he hadn't found out it was lethal poison. But what she did was still going against his rule.

TTJ actually didn't make her kill XL (which I realize even TTJ acknowledges that he was responsible and accepts that he made her kill XL). But really XL made that decision himself. TTJ banked on XL being too weak to fight, so Jin could capture them all. But XL outsmarted him and sacrificed himself in order to free the prisoners. TTJ never expected XL to die, which is why he reacted calling XL a fool when he read the letter, and then freaking out that XL died and YXW would never forgive him.

In the grand scheme of things, it worked out better for XL. He got to release his prisoners, and he himself acknowledged and knew that as long as he was alive there would be remnants of hope for Sheng Kingdom. It is only with his death that the war truly ended. Even if he wanted to retreat, it's not a given there wouldn't be remnants who still wanted to fight or never fully accept the fall of Sheng.

But she didn't kill him. She in fact saves him, and even more so, tells him exactly what she's doing and why she did it. While he may react now, he knows and has talked to DG. knows throughout his life it always told him he will be one with that entity after his death.

And however and whatever he's telling DG now, it's after the bone has been removed from him.

If TTJ thinks about it (especially if he finds out that she didn't poison his porridge lethally but even without that information), he will realize what a favor LSS did him. He should've died on the frozen-lake but she changed it, and even if by betrayal she gave him a second chance at life, that too an immortal one.

My take is mortal-arc been presented up front as a tragedy. It was spelled out to the audience, portraying the dramatic irony that he's a good ruler by using his devil-bone abilities, but that's something that ultimately must be removed. So this act was always a foregone conclusion, it's like watching Romeo and Juliet or Hamlet. The audience is aware of what that end will be.

The immortal arc is really the start of the suspenseful journey for the audience, if that makes sense.

I do find flaws in her actions in regards to how she tried to interfere in TTJ's dealing of XL. She knew he wasn't going to kill XL, but she decided to interfere. (That being said, she behaves within the framework of a ticking time clock).

In the end, it was what was meant to happen to XL. TTJ even after the escape, never planned to kill him, but rather render him too weak to fight. But XL was able to outsmart TTJ and free the prisoners and give his loyalists his honorable death. XL was aware that only with his death (or his surrender, which he couldn't do) would some of those last remnants give up and submit to Jin. So instead of somehow finding a way to die in prison, he died on the battlefield saving those who were loyal to him.

I don't think that writers are intending on people disliking her. I think her POV is given as well, she said it best. What is she supposed to do, just risk the fate on the chance he may not become DG in his death? And there's also the 300 days ticking down. Pretty much all her misunderstandings were solved but she still realizes they don't matter, she still has to do what she has to do. Mortal-TTJ is fated to be a tragedy, and the only thing she can change is the outcome of that tragedy. And this outcome is that their mortal-love story, as JZ told her, will be a tragedy no matter what.

Yeah. But I have a question. That is what MY *wanted* to do, but couldn't, right? But latest episode subtitles where SS says it made it seem like that is what he *did*

Agreed. would much rather have a quick pace than dragged out and filler-scenes.

How is #5 not sensible? It's one of the most poignant scenes of the drama when he makes that decision. And once he does that, the most logical step is the one he makes-- considering his stance and position matches up with his current Emperor...an Emperor who knows that he can be trustworthy and he proves it correct.

XL's fate was going to be the same, question was whether it was in jail or out. TTJ was never going to kill him, XL himself said so to YXW when he was in jail that TTJ would keep him in prison and treat him well. XL basically implied that he would somehow have to find a way to die in jail so Sheng can finally fall for good. LSS/YXW tried to change that, but it ended up the same.

Only difference is the events allowed him to accomplish the freeing of prisoners, which perhaps otherwise may not have happened. Perhaps TTJ would've done it once Sheng was fully done for good, but this way it happened under the leadership of XL.

Wow. Thank you very much for those kind words. Am humbled. feels nice. XD

okay

She didn't want to prove that she was indeed a spy for Moon Kingdom. If she went back, even if she is not believed and killed--she wouldn't be justifying the accusation that she absconded after spying and betraying her side.

She wanted nothing to do with helping the Moon Kingdom, and that's why she would take suicidal risks to not cooperate fully with DFQC. She'd already demonstrated/proven that she thinks it's okay for a lowly orchid like her to die in order to save CH.

This is a good, light, fun enough drama to watch. Relationship developed nicely and smoothly. There aren't the cliche romantic slip/touch/fall/bump to then stare into eyes for X seconds, etc.

The writers do a disservice to the cat persona. I also think they forgot that cats have a strong sense of smell and hearing, too, and it's not made clear whether the ML can hear and smell when he's in the cat state, where the FL is shown a couple times to be able to hear convos and identify smell.

I knew what the comet's name was going to be, but when it was first said in the drama, I still started laughing. It was very funny.

Her grandmother does nothing, because she is the one who set up the opening for the maid to simply say it more bluntly after she slyly disparaged and reminded YBC of her place. She did it when she told YXY no need to apologize to YBC for pushing her to freezing lake; also when she didn't tell YBC that the discussions and negotiations were for concubine and making sure to glare at YBC to know her place when the announcement was made.

I think the drama is more sympathetic to her, because they do always remind the viewers of how the family treated her. Whether the viewers only care about main leads is up to them. But those who want to see what leads her to make her choices can, and in fact are constantly reminded of why and what prompts her to those decisions and actions.

Thanks. Ditto. Heheheh, now people who hate her admit she is written to be hated, and that it all ties down to whether or not one is main character.. XD XD

Thanks for that correction. Yes, I agree. When we see grown TTJ he has displays resentment towards people and world in general. But he expresses that in a calm manner. Never with an emotional outburst or raised voice, etc. Though we do see some of it coming in after Bo'Re life.

But tell me, if drama TTJ were like novel TTJ like so many want and criticize drama for, how are her actions worse than his? Sure what she did was a horrible sin. But they say about TTJ too regarding his brother. In drama, there is justification. But what if it was the novel-TTJ? How is she supposed to be worse?

I'm not talking about paying the price for the actions, whether in mortal or immortal life. I'm just asking...why would one be more worthy or redemption than the other?

Which is why I said the novel has YBC written as a villain to be hated, just to be hated. I didn't say they are the same, I just said it doesn't make sense to write a family that treated people as badly as Ye family did, and then to ignore those things when convenient.

Yeah, she wasn't treated as badly as TTJ, but sooo? She was treated badly by her own family. Pushing into the ice-water, YXW/LSS being told she doesn't need to apologize.

It can be also argued that YBC has emotions while TTJ didn't. So while TTJ didn't feel anything when he was forced to beg and demean himself (which the maids chastised him for) YBC would constantly feel the emotions of being treated that way by the family.

Also, TTJ can do evil things but that's okay because of the excuses given for him. But YBC's evilness have no excuses. I never said I root for her. I just believe the novel makes her just a hate vassal for the readers, probably a female villain to hate.

Also, when people say TTJ is watered-down, and he should be more evil like the novel, killing innocent people, doing horrible things, etc etc. How does that make sense to say YBC is any worse? TTJ can do all kinds of evil things but somehow they are okay and can be forgiven while YBC cannot be...

Which is why I say, drama TTJ is a better writing-choice and more interesting than just having an evil mortal TTJ just because the devil-bone

No wonder YBC hates Ye family. They are all fake in their concern for her. Only not-YXW cares for her, and that's because she's not YXW but LSS. Grandma is a cunning, sly person. The same way she made sure to glare at YBC to know her place when the concubine title was announced, she made sure to slyly tell YBC her good treatment is due to YXW's request of the family and the maid not as sly as grandma, made sure to mumble and spell it out for her.

The biggest problem with the whole screenplay is the Ye Family. It's reminded only when important that YXW is a selfish person (once again brought up by XL), but then no sense of acknowledgement of the fact when it comes to her scenes with her family. And in fact, it's not the problem with the drama, it's the problem with the novel--which I think the drama recognizes but it's so ingrained into the story that it's not something that can be fixed easily. Drama can only insert constant reminders that YBC was not treated well by the family.

And if anything it's really not a fault with drama. It's the fact that YBC was written just as villain to be hated in the novel and so the drama can't ignore it totally, and the drama sees the fault in it and writes as well as they can accordingly.

If anything it makes little sense that the novel has TTJ the mortal do evil things, but the readers are supposed to root for him as ML, but YBC who also does evil things is supposed to be the hated villainess just to give readers a hate vassal.

Which is why the drama's so-called watering-down of TTJ is the better writing choice for drama, it really isn't fair in the least to call it censorship. The dramatic irony is the fact that TTJ the mortal is a good king, ruler. He uses means that will take him down a worse path, and no matter what when he dies, he will become devil-god. That is the delicious irony that Susu must deal with. It doesn't make sense for her to talk with TTJ about her 'mission' either, because it can go wrong at any point. He can become a nice/good/peaceful person all he wants, but his death means the end. And there's a countdown to when even more hell will be unleashed, which means either he deals with that hell and/or dies.

There isn't a conflict other than 'love' if TTJ is evil personified who must be stopped. (And again, for some reason, evil TTJ in the novel who went around killing innocent people is to be rooted for and loved while YBC is a villainess who should just be hated.)

I am talking about what she did in ep 21. Haven't seen the latest episode fully yet.

In the drama, it's because she didn't want Sheng Kingdom to fall. She herself said that her 'father' was followed by this last battalion that has yet to fall.

If it was to prevent XL's death as may or may not be explained later in the drama, in episode 21 she wouldn't have sent him chasing after TTJ after she found out and relieved he was alive and fine. It makes no sense.

Immortals have a bias for their own affiliated kingdoms and it's difficult to accept some realities. Sheng was cultivating with the other sect that was left with her own sect. It's the same reason why after Sheng defeat when XL talked about retreating Peng Zi was about to object.

I'm not saying she didn't rush over there to make sure he was okay. I'm saying it's not JUST that she wanted to make sure XL was okay, or even TTJ was okay. If their being alive was her priority she wouldn't have sent XL after TTJ and go back to camp to wait for news. How does that make sense? She has no way of ensuring whether or not they will meet, fight, and kill the other.