I think it's more childish to conflate "complexity" with "pointless misery". There were many complicated…
Just my humble opinion....Lert is no helpless pawn, and I don't think it's fair to judge him that way. He made a choice, and he owned up to it. What he had to go through was what many gay people ended up going through as well. It was actually quite realistic.
And him yielding to Dhevi's threat in the end was actually very in character for him. He wanted to keep Naran and Trin save, so he accept the consequences of his choice. Son described Lert as someone who's selfless, and I never saw why. But in this final episode, it became clear. Lert rarely put himself first. He didn't wanna disclose his relationship with Win to keep Win safe, albeit in vain. And now, he chose Naran and Trin's safety and happiness over his. He told Ran he'd do all he could to protect the ones he loves, and that's what he did.
Lert doesn't have to be a hero here to prove he isn't a coward. If he chose to stand up for himself and go against Dhevi in the end, putting Ran and Trin's lives in danger, that would actually be out of character and not really character growth.
For someone who didn't watch the finale why we should choke?? Just curious 😊
It turned out Victor actually believed Tanwa, and even told Tanwa not to tell Trin to keep him safe. So Tanwa's decision of not telling Trin and keeping Trin from going to the protest was also partly his promise to Victor. Victor chose that path himself, and it wasn't Tanwa who let him walk to his death like Trin assumed.
Phadoem loved his son in all the wrong ways. Makes me think he probably was brought up that way, hence it's the…
True. He deserves credit for finally seeing how he messed up in the past and choosing to make things right. I feel that when he showed up at Euphoria, the state of Tanwa was probably shocking enough, and Phadoem may have been ready to criticize Tanwa. But Tanwa calling out "Mom" must've hit him hard, and it just completely softened him.
I'm now thinking back on the whole story and realize that we don't talk enough about the family dynamics around…
Phadoem loved his son in all the wrong ways. Makes me think he probably was brought up that way, hence it's the only way he knows how to show love. I still don't like Phadoem for how he treated Tanwa in the past, but I'm honestly glad he finally came around and showed up for his son before it was too late.
Omg, chills!!!! I remember mentioning how Moira represented omnipresence in the series, and she literally is!!!! She's got eyes everywhere!!!!! Aaahhh as if she wasn't amazing enough already.
But what Veera's friends did for him!!!!! 😭😭😭 And who would've ever thought....the person Lert wouldn't be able to run away from wasn't Pracha. Pracha would've killed him, but Dhevi kept him alive (but dead inside) and tortured him. 😐 Next to Dhevi and her brothers, Pracha looks like nothing now. Dhevi's the scary one. 😫
It totally breaks me that Lert's stuck with Dhevi forever. But one thing's for sure, Dhevi can never have what Naran has—Lert's heart. I do wonder if Dhevi would've ever cheated with Veera if he were alive, and still turned a blind eye on Lert's affair with Ran. But seeing how scary she actually is, I think she wouldn't let go of Lert either because she doesn't love Veera and he'd only be Lert's substitute to satisfy her loneliness. I think she'd definitely still force Lert to carry out his "husband duties" eventually. And Dhevi giving Pracha the same treatment he gave Veera!! Did not see that coming. I don't like Dhevi now, but damn she's ruthless and I love it when it's for Pracha but hate it when it's for Lert. Ugh. Let me go cry for LertRan first. 😢
And Trin....I mean, "This is something he has to face on his own." Really???? Really, Trin??? He does have to face it on his own, but it wouldn't hurt to be there for him for a second. Or at least hear him out? No? When you claim Tanwa's never there when you're sad, yet Tanwa's always the one going to you? And Trin is fully aware about Tanwa's mother's suicide, yet he wasn't worried at all that Tanwa could take the same path. I'm just baffled, honestly (and clearly angry too).
Tanwa doesn't deserve to be hurt like that. He was wrong for lying trying to keep Trin safe because he feared losing Trin as much as Trin fears losing Victor, if not more. And I sure as heck know it's so much more. I'm just so glad Tanwa had Sucha to watch over him, and made sure he's still breathing, even calling Phadoem over. Imagine, Phadoem, the one who's been abusing Tanwa, ends up being the one who shows up for his son and not Trin who stepped in to stop Phadoem from abusing Tanwa. Hilarious 😑
To see Tanwa bursting into tears in the pool....that felt like a knife stab. And the luckiest person of all is Trin, because 3 men were trying to keep him safe that night. THREE. They all loved him so much and just wanted him to be safe. And even though I get he was hurting badly with trauma, what he did to Tanwa was seriously uncalled for. And I'm not talking about that punch anymore. It's the way Trin decided to ignore Tanwa's pain too. Sure, you can argue they both needed space to work on their issues. Trin chose to work on his own by himself, and he thinks Tanwa needs the same. While I agree with that, I just cannot support how it happened here. Trin could've talked to Tanwa first before actually packing up and leaving. Wasn't Trin all about confrontation? Truth is, Trin freaking chose to run away. "Choosing, in itself, is still better than not choosing at all." That's a jab to Tanwa's "Not choosing is also a choice."
Yeah, Trin. Just admit you chose to run away. So much for calling Tanwa out for running away all the time. And now Tanwa's the one who didn't run. He stayed, he worked through his trauma, he healed his own wounds (BY HIS EFFING SELF), he got back up on his feet, and he found his own happiness again. Pfft, who needs Trin for that, right? In the end, he even forgave himself and forgave Trin. Of course, because it's Tanwa. Tanwa forgives everybody, even his abusive dad. 🙄
And in the end, it was again Tanwa who went to Trin FIRST. I hope Trin made it up to Tanwa for the rest of their lives until they were old, and will continue to make it up to Tanwa until they die. I'm gonna be bitter forever with how Trin barely had to TRY to get Tanwa back. 🤦♀️ I was so happy no one was picking up Trin's call, only to realize Tanwa probably went to him already, and I hated that I was right. I really wished Tanwa waited for Trin to come to him for once, but then that wouldn't be Tanwa, would it?
Honestly, what angers me even more is if Trin found out Tiva actually knew and still let the protest happen, he'd probably still forgive Tiva faster than he'd forgive Tanwa. Why? Because Tanwa's always the one people can take for granted. And I bet viewers would also forgive Tiva because he broke down and confessed to Victor's parents, but Tanwa haters still think Tanwa's the worst when that man had his world crashing down and was so ready to just let his life wither away when he was just trying to keep his loved one safe, as everyone would.
The pain Tanwa showed throughout this episode, and seeing how far he's come.... This is why it infuriates me and breaks my heart whenever people just hate on Tanwa so much. What even did Tanwa do to get hated on so much? The rest of them—Trin, Krailert, Naran, Victor, were all given heroic moments, making people admire their courage to push forward. And then there's Tanwa, who ironically represents most people but gets hated on. Is it because people just hate seeing themselves in Tanwa? Is it because they wish to be like Trin, Victor or Naran? Or even Krailert, fighting for forbidden love?
Rage aside, there are things in Shine that I didn't like, but I still think Shine did a phenomenal job with everything. Production was topnotch, the entire cast hit it out of the park, and the music is just absolutely amazing. LertRan's ending was brutal, though expected, just in a different way. Maybe until they grew old, Dhevi might get fed up and just let Lert live the life he wants and he'll get to meet Ran again. 😢 But I honestly doubt Dhevi would yield. And I hate the idea of Ran being all alone until he's old, not knowing if he'll see Lert again. Ran deserves to move on and find his own happiness too. TrinTanwa's ending....well, it was sort of a happy one, but I'm not that happy about how we got there. LOL.
Anyway, this was a fun ride and it didn't disappoint. I hope Shine gets the appreciation and acknowledgement it deserves. From the creators, to the production, to the cast, to the music. Each aspect honestly deserves an award. Well done, Shine. 👏👏👏
I need clarification; was the two old guys at the end Krailert and Naran? It was Krailert narration.
I think it was TrinTanwa because the one on the right has long hair and plays the guitar. You can also see him wearing the same silver bangle Tanwa wore.
Also in ep7 what didn't make sense to me is why didn't Trin take his anger out on the person that shot Victor?…
I think we also have to keep in mind that Trin was also going through his own PTSD at that moment, and he wouldn't be thinking rationally. He's led by grief and anger, and usually people choose the easiest person they can blame. And this time it probably hit harder because Victor's laying there dead right in front of him.
When Claire died, even though he wasn't right there when it happened, his first response was blaming her friends for not keeping her safe, not the actual ones who killed Claire. So it's similar with Victor's situation.
He might start to think who orchestrated the whole thing later on after he's calmed down. But it wouldn't make sense if he was stable enough to think of that right after seeing Victor die.
And to add on about Lert, Trin did lash out at the subordinate who shot Victor at first, then moved on to Krailert. But it might have felt futile? Because deep down he knows the military's effed up. (Also don't think he'd dare punch any military personnel or he'd go straight to jail.). So he goes to the next person he could blame—Tanwa.
back than I made a comment regarding me feeling like Tanwa is somewhat an a*shole to his dad. And some people…
Like Truth Dares mentioned, Phadoem didn't kill Tanwa's mother with his own hands, but he probably drove her into depression which caused her to end her own life. That's why Tanwa understood that his mother wasn't happy being in that marriage and she wanted to set herself free.
And besides his dad indirectly causing his mother's death, Tanwa is also mad at him for burying the case to save face, and act like he had no part in driving her into making that decision. I'm guessing Tanwa's also mad that his dad didn't own up to putting his mom through a suffocating marriage.
We still have no idea how bad it was and what exactly Phadoem did or didn't do enough in the marriage, leading to Tanwa's mother falling into depression. Perhaps we'd get a clearer picture, finally, in the final episode since Phadoem gives Tanwa his mother's novel.
Maybe Trin is in Paris already. We see him wandering in Paris alone in the trailer. But he may sort things out…
That's true! I really hope he's got solid evidence to take down Pracha. We know that the recording tape's gone, so I'm curious what else Lert's got. And even if Lert does end up sacrificing himself, I hope it won't be in vain.
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And him yielding to Dhevi's threat in the end was actually very in character for him. He wanted to keep Naran and Trin save, so he accept the consequences of his choice. Son described Lert as someone who's selfless, and I never saw why. But in this final episode, it became clear. Lert rarely put himself first. He didn't wanna disclose his relationship with Win to keep Win safe, albeit in vain. And now, he chose Naran and Trin's safety and happiness over his. He told Ran he'd do all he could to protect the ones he loves, and that's what he did.
Lert doesn't have to be a hero here to prove he isn't a coward. If he chose to stand up for himself and go against Dhevi in the end, putting Ran and Trin's lives in danger, that would actually be out of character and not really character growth.
But what Veera's friends did for him!!!!! 😭😭😭 And who would've ever thought....the person Lert wouldn't be able to run away from wasn't Pracha. Pracha would've killed him, but Dhevi kept him alive (but dead inside) and tortured him. 😐 Next to Dhevi and her brothers, Pracha looks like nothing now. Dhevi's the scary one. 😫
It totally breaks me that Lert's stuck with Dhevi forever. But one thing's for sure, Dhevi can never have what Naran has—Lert's heart. I do wonder if Dhevi would've ever cheated with Veera if he were alive, and still turned a blind eye on Lert's affair with Ran. But seeing how scary she actually is, I think she wouldn't let go of Lert either because she doesn't love Veera and he'd only be Lert's substitute to satisfy her loneliness. I think she'd definitely still force Lert to carry out his "husband duties" eventually. And Dhevi giving Pracha the same treatment he gave Veera!! Did not see that coming. I don't like Dhevi now, but damn she's ruthless and I love it when it's for Pracha but hate it when it's for Lert. Ugh. Let me go cry for LertRan first. 😢
And Trin....I mean, "This is something he has to face on his own." Really???? Really, Trin??? He does have to face it on his own, but it wouldn't hurt to be there for him for a second. Or at least hear him out? No? When you claim Tanwa's never there when you're sad, yet Tanwa's always the one going to you? And Trin is fully aware about Tanwa's mother's suicide, yet he wasn't worried at all that Tanwa could take the same path. I'm just baffled, honestly (and clearly angry too).
Tanwa doesn't deserve to be hurt like that. He was wrong for lying trying to keep Trin safe because he feared losing Trin as much as Trin fears losing Victor, if not more. And I sure as heck know it's so much more. I'm just so glad Tanwa had Sucha to watch over him, and made sure he's still breathing, even calling Phadoem over. Imagine, Phadoem, the one who's been abusing Tanwa, ends up being the one who shows up for his son and not Trin who stepped in to stop Phadoem from abusing Tanwa. Hilarious 😑
To see Tanwa bursting into tears in the pool....that felt like a knife stab. And the luckiest person of all is Trin, because 3 men were trying to keep him safe that night. THREE. They all loved him so much and just wanted him to be safe. And even though I get he was hurting badly with trauma, what he did to Tanwa was seriously uncalled for. And I'm not talking about that punch anymore. It's the way Trin decided to ignore Tanwa's pain too. Sure, you can argue they both needed space to work on their issues. Trin chose to work on his own by himself, and he thinks Tanwa needs the same. While I agree with that, I just cannot support how it happened here. Trin could've talked to Tanwa first before actually packing up and leaving. Wasn't Trin all about confrontation? Truth is, Trin freaking chose to run away. "Choosing, in itself, is still better than not choosing at all." That's a jab to Tanwa's "Not choosing is also a choice."
Yeah, Trin. Just admit you chose to run away. So much for calling Tanwa out for running away all the time. And now Tanwa's the one who didn't run. He stayed, he worked through his trauma, he healed his own wounds (BY HIS EFFING SELF), he got back up on his feet, and he found his own happiness again. Pfft, who needs Trin for that, right? In the end, he even forgave himself and forgave Trin. Of course, because it's Tanwa. Tanwa forgives everybody, even his abusive dad. 🙄
And in the end, it was again Tanwa who went to Trin FIRST. I hope Trin made it up to Tanwa for the rest of their lives until they were old, and will continue to make it up to Tanwa until they die. I'm gonna be bitter forever with how Trin barely had to TRY to get Tanwa back. 🤦♀️ I was so happy no one was picking up Trin's call, only to realize Tanwa probably went to him already, and I hated that I was right. I really wished Tanwa waited for Trin to come to him for once, but then that wouldn't be Tanwa, would it?
Honestly, what angers me even more is if Trin found out Tiva actually knew and still let the protest happen, he'd probably still forgive Tiva faster than he'd forgive Tanwa. Why? Because Tanwa's always the one people can take for granted. And I bet viewers would also forgive Tiva because he broke down and confessed to Victor's parents, but Tanwa haters still think Tanwa's the worst when that man had his world crashing down and was so ready to just let his life wither away when he was just trying to keep his loved one safe, as everyone would.
The pain Tanwa showed throughout this episode, and seeing how far he's come.... This is why it infuriates me and breaks my heart whenever people just hate on Tanwa so much. What even did Tanwa do to get hated on so much? The rest of them—Trin, Krailert, Naran, Victor, were all given heroic moments, making people admire their courage to push forward. And then there's Tanwa, who ironically represents most people but gets hated on. Is it because people just hate seeing themselves in Tanwa? Is it because they wish to be like Trin, Victor or Naran? Or even Krailert, fighting for forbidden love?
Rage aside, there are things in Shine that I didn't like, but I still think Shine did a phenomenal job with everything. Production was topnotch, the entire cast hit it out of the park, and the music is just absolutely amazing. LertRan's ending was brutal, though expected, just in a different way. Maybe until they grew old, Dhevi might get fed up and just let Lert live the life he wants and he'll get to meet Ran again. 😢 But I honestly doubt Dhevi would yield. And I hate the idea of Ran being all alone until he's old, not knowing if he'll see Lert again. Ran deserves to move on and find his own happiness too. TrinTanwa's ending....well, it was sort of a happy one, but I'm not that happy about how we got there. LOL.
Anyway, this was a fun ride and it didn't disappoint. I hope Shine gets the appreciation and acknowledgement it deserves. From the creators, to the production, to the cast, to the music. Each aspect honestly deserves an award. Well done, Shine. 👏👏👏
When Claire died, even though he wasn't right there when it happened, his first response was blaming her friends for not keeping her safe, not the actual ones who killed Claire. So it's similar with Victor's situation.
He might start to think who orchestrated the whole thing later on after he's calmed down. But it wouldn't make sense if he was stable enough to think of that right after seeing Victor die.
And to add on about Lert, Trin did lash out at the subordinate who shot Victor at first, then moved on to Krailert. But it might have felt futile? Because deep down he knows the military's effed up. (Also don't think he'd dare punch any military personnel or he'd go straight to jail.). So he goes to the next person he could blame—Tanwa.
And besides his dad indirectly causing his mother's death, Tanwa is also mad at him for burying the case to save face, and act like he had no part in driving her into making that decision. I'm guessing Tanwa's also mad that his dad didn't own up to putting his mom through a suffocating marriage.
We still have no idea how bad it was and what exactly Phadoem did or didn't do enough in the marriage, leading to Tanwa's mother falling into depression. Perhaps we'd get a clearer picture, finally, in the final episode since Phadoem gives Tanwa his mother's novel.