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lol in hollywood here in the usa it happens all the time!!

haha Liz, that is not true :) you are not the only one that loves BL, you just have more time on your hands than the rest of us apparently!

So no LineTV subs then? We can't watch it on any official channel??

Maybe one of these days I will read a manga. I am studying Japanese via duolingo and books and audio CDs... (I have also began learning how to read the Thai script. Its really fun!). Reading a manga could be a great way to practice Japanese....

Yeah, I meant he is an idealistic person (meaning he has a rose-colored view of people). I think Tharn thinks Type is a good person, and he may be right, but from the looks of it, I think Type will break Tharn's heart in a couple of episodes.

The bed scene where they embraced after Type's confession was well done. (The scene right before with Tharn on top of Type was a bit weird to me). It got me emotional too...

I have nothing to recommend to you then.

I am with you... I fear he is falling hard and fast and that having sex was not a good idea. I think Type is going to destroy Tharn. I think he is using him.

I enjoyed SOTUS the first time I watched it but it was SLOW. I tried to watch it a second time and I just can't. It is boring.

I agree that SOTUS S was also boring and I haven't been able to finish it yet (I think I watched 2 episodes).

But I agree, to each his/her own. We won't all like the same things. I enjoyed watching Theory of Love, but unlike some others around here, I don't think I would rate it too high. It had good cinematography and production values and the acting was really good but the story was cliche (except for gun crying in the shower, that was very original LOL).

One of the few BL shows I binge-watched was He's coming to me. I am surprised some people don't even put it in the top 3 of this year. It is in my top for sure!

I also binge-watched season 1 of Love Sick. I really wanted to know how they ended up... :) Season 2 had some binge-worthy parts, especially the last few episodes. (I watched the BL cut).

I am watching DBK and it can wait... But this show... Oh, no. I really look forward every week to TharnType... :)

Interesting analysis. This is more or less what I was thinking. I guess I should say hostile and not "hate". You are right, Type is hostile towards Tharn and that type of behavior would put him in the same vein as Naoki in Itazura na Kiss, while Tharn is almost like Kotoko (well, a horny and smart Kotoko LOL) because he is starting to come off as a bit more idealistic. I mean, I am not sure I buy the "it's just sex" deal. And remember how when he embrace Type in the last episode he said, "I am sorry"? (I got a bit emotional in that scene BTW).

It's funny because I had been thinking for awhile that Tharn reminds me a little bit of Uhera in Good Morning Call (cool, sexy, secure of himself), while Type does remind me of Naoki (cold, hostile, emotionally complex). To me this show follows more closely those shojo archetypes compared to other Thai BLs (except SOTUS, of course).

Its interesting how you can have a character that cries yet he is coming off to all of us as a cold person... Type is really a very deep character. (This is also a unique thing in Thai BL. I don't think you see male leads cry at all in Shojo manga, do you? Heck not even in American TV do they cry as much as in Thai lakorns)

BTW I had to look the term tsundere up when I first encountered it and I think the reason I came across it was that I was reading something about Arthit in SOTUS being described as a Tsundere...

Oh, ok. I need to add this to my to watch list... I was not sure if I should watch the first one first.... I will just skip it.

My list keeps getting longer!

Well, in that case you can just explore youtube and mydramalist to find others...

I believe it was @Liz who suggested to me to watch 3 Will Be Free? I am watching it right now. Its good. I have only watched 1 episode because I have very few hours a week to watch tv... I am already watching Dark Blue Kiss and this one... :)

He's coming to me (on dailymotion), Love Sick, 3 Will Be Free, Dark Blue Kiss, Theory of Love

...idk I have read Love Sick (actually, almost read... I am about 90% done), and the inner monologues that both Phun and Noh have on the novel help a lot to understand the characters. Did you know that Phun liked Noh from like 6th grade or something like that? I mean, the whole "wanna be my boyfriend" thing was planned. He wanted to get close to Noh.

And the breakup scene with Yuri? And the rooftop scene at the end with Yuri? I CRIED SO MUCH because I had read the book and I knew how Noh felt about Yuri (and let's be honest, the actress who played Yuri is excellent in her role).

So I think inner monologues help!!!! We saw some in Theory of Love so they can be done in Thai BL!!!

I agree with @Pincolino some scenes are a bit slow or repetitive.

They could have also tried to show the character's inner monologues. J-dramas do that a lot and Thai BLs are supposed to be derived from them so why not do the inner monologue thing here too?!!!

Wait wait wait wait a second... Don't jump to wrong conclusions. There is absolutely no research that shows that men that have been sexually assaulted become gay. What the research shows is that gay children are often victimized more frequently than the heterosexual children.

Maybe this is why you don't understand Type. You are assuming the assault made him gay, when it is the other way around. Type has always been gay. This is why he is attracted to Tharn.

I have heard people say that Arthit is a tsundere. I didn't make that up. Someone else said that.

I get what you are saying which is why I had said "if there is a tsundere..." (implying that there is probably none). My very first impression of Tharn was that he was cool and cold. He tried to act like he wasn't bothered by Type's remarks. But you are right, soon he warmed up. That's why I also added the caveat of "it depends how you analyze it".

Type on the other hand has, IMO, been very cold towards Tharn. He hasn't been cold to everyone but definitively to Tharn...

I am familiar with the Tsundere because I watch J-dramas too. It seems in Shojo manga, the tsundere is the prototypical male lead. Now, how long does the character show a cold streak and to how many people, varies. In some shows I have watched, the male lead is cold to everyone (even his own family), in others he is only cold to the female lead, and in yet others he is only cold to her for like the first 3 episodes... I don't read manga, so I am no expert... But that's what I have learned.

Like I said above, the tension in most BL dramas doesn't arise from a character being cold to a warm character (like in shojo-based doramas) but from love-hate relationships (SOTUS, TharnType; Theory of Love, Make It Right...) or from closeted feelings (Lovesick, Make It Right?, He's Coming to Me, Theory of Love).

If you like romance reincarnation stories you may also be interested in "He's coming to me", which is a ghost story that touches on reincarnation a little bit. Its about a ghost who can be seen by this one boy. Eventually, the ghost falls in love with the boy. Its a Thai BL story and is one of my favorites.

Next year, a Tale of a Thousand Stars will air. Its also Thai BL. Its about a women who dies and her heart goes to a guy who then tries to follow her footsteps. He eventually meets the man who she seems to have fallen in love. Because her heart beats inside of him, he also falls in love with this man or so it seems from the trailer that just came out. Its from GMM-TV, one of Thailands production powerhouses. I think it will be good...

OK. then. Good luck.

I agree. I am not feeding the troll.

@ammmz The more you argue and counter-argue and go on tangential diatribes, the more you weaken your position and the less likely anyone scrolling down this board is likely to read your post. You made your point, move on. (Didn't I already said this to you? I think I did.)

@Slythe We don't want to make this type of long back and forth posting in this board because then folks wanting to talk about this EXCELLENT show will probably just go somewhere else. So yes, let's not feed the troll !!! :) If you read back, I cut off someone like this earlier because of the same reason. I just said, I made my point, you made yours, let's move on. Its the best attitude you can show. Its classy, mature and just plain civil if you ask me.

(@Slythe I can't wait for Episode 5. I have a feeling my heart will ache a little bit because I am starting to see where this is going. I think we are all thinking Tharn is bad, Type is a poor wounded bad-boy wanna be but in reality I am afraid that Type is using Tharn for his own sexual gratification. Victims of abuse often don't make that connection between sex and love. For them is just something they do, like a chore. So, I am wondering a lot about it and if its going to break my kokoro. Anyway, I don't take credit for this, someone else mentioned it here or on youtube.... )

"i'm obviously not preaching to the choir. particularly because your last line is actually incorrect. while men learn these behaviors socially it is not just straight men--men of all sexualities enact their power over women all the time"

Yes you are preaching to the choir when you are talking about consent in a forum which is almost exclusively used by straight women and gay men.

As a gay man I am very supportive of women's rights. I know how I grew up and I am conscious of my behaviors.

"--and they learn that when one is weak (or impaired) they can take advantage of that"

Oh dear. Read that sentence again. You make it sound like gay man have interest in sexually assaulting women who are weak. No, we don't

". assault, rape, control, abuse has no gender but is compounded by gender and its politics via white supremacy, capital, colonialism, you name it we got it. so, yes, all eyes on it matter. and how we interpret it matters. i reject the interpretations that people think acceptable to say. i just wanted one comment to state that in a sea of good comments. if it is something you're unable to understand or cannot handle, that's on you."

Yes, throw the kitchen sink too, maybe Buddhism since we are talking about Thai culture?

I think I get what you are trying to say with that but I also get the sense that at that point you are lost. As a teacher, I can sense when a student has reached the limits of his/her knowledge about a topic and I sense you just got to that line so you threw everything you got and hoped something sticks.

Look, you are not making a terrible argument so just stick to the basics. Yes, power structures built into societies all across this globe do perpetuate misogynous attitudes towards women. But one thing you may not know is that not all societies do this and that change takes time.

You know why I think I like Thai BL? Have you look at its history? Do you know it? Thai BL has its roots in YAOI, which in turns has roots in SHOJO manga. In some sense these genera represent a relief valve through which women in Japan write their own stories, fantasies, and through which they can share their concern, hopes and desires. Whatever you want to say about BL, or Thai BL, you can't deny that almost all these stories were written by women. Thai BL is one of many vehicles that can help move society forward and create change. The change you want to see...

If a women is writing a story that features a (semi?) non-consensual sex act, what does that tell you? I am not going to answer that question for you. I will leave you with that.... I think that this is something you need to consider before you start throwing everything but the kitchen sink at this story and before you start labeling this story as "just anotherBL" showing misogyny, etc.

"please grow up and stop replying to me telling me why you think rape is okay. thanks."

No one said "rape is ok". Don't try to use false equivalents yourself.

You said this: "it's not great but what bl rly is."

That comment made me think you don't like BL.

You are not the first person to come here and criticize this show for the issues it has with consent (or rather the issues you have with how consent is handled in this show).

I will tell you what I told the last person who kept insisting on this: I have my opinion, you have yours. We expressed it. Let's move on.

This should be good. I cried watching the trailer. I am excited!