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Nah I trust you because most people I see in the comments on this website only care if the ML is being a green flag and down bad. I've seen so many dramas when the relationship is so unequal and the comments are 90% about how hot the ML is and how in love he is is and what he's doing for the FL etc which also seems to be the case here.

I respect the objectivity, I guess that's better than a lot of shows but why would you do it with the ML twice and not even once with the FL, if I don't see the characters actually actively doing these things then saying she would if she was given the opportunity is a moot point because it becomes a writing issue you need to actually show me.

They're really having him die for her twice? lmao that sure doesn't scream equal love to me (usually in these situations what I consider equal is both of them dying for the other at different times like Fairy and Devil) Thanks because that was the vibe I was getting from the spoilers/comments and thought maybe I was wrong but I guess I wasn't, which tracks because 90% of cdramas are like this so I won't waste my time.

Thanks, because I got accidentally spoiled on twitter and it looks he already died to save her and he's going to do it again in the next episodes so I thought it was just him making all the sacrifices and I prefer badass equal couples.

I'm more of a "Badass couple willing to die and kill for each other" rather than "ML by himself making all the sacrifices for the FL". So does this one fall under the first category or the second?

Thanks for the answers, oh I don't have an issue with him being whipped, I just prefer to see couples who are both equally whipped for each other and try to help and protect each other instead of it being just one party who's more in love and reading the comments everyone was talking exclusively about the ML's feelings so i was curious about FL's side of it.

When does she fall for him? From the trailer it looks like he's whipped but she can't stand him, she's either stabbing him or shooting arrows at him or looking like she hates him, Is it an equally devoted relationship or more from his side ? I read what you said about him being whipped and protecting her, is that the case for her too?

How are NY's feelings for JY? You mentioned he would sacrifice anyone for her and she's his one and only but nothing about her feelings, does she feel the same way? Because the trailers made it seem like it only goes one way ( all the romantic lines and big gestures are from JY). This a romance so of course she falls in love with him but is it to the same degree as him?

Absolutely loved this drama, a wonderful cast of interesting female characters with a really smart heroine and a worthy antagonist, great friendships and a well written plot, a special mention to the ost which was also fantastic and added to the experience.

The trailers aren't filling me with much confidence, the slapstick comedy tone is not my cup of tea and the fact that every single romantic line spoken in them has been from the ML with nothing from the FL makes me think this is yet another cdrama where the ML is carrying the entire relationship on his back and that's not my cup of tea either, I could be wrong though so I'll reserve judgement until I watch the actual show.

Why does practically every serious female centric drama have cheating spouses in regards to the leads, is there literally nothing else to focus on or cause conflict in a relationship?

The first episode was promising, this has two fantastic female leads and I love that we have a female director as well, because while female writers in kdramas are the majority, directors are predominately male. But also...

Yes!!! I just mentioned YAMG in my other comment to you, I loved those two. Gender roles are a minefield even in fiction lol, I truly would love a weak ml where it's the fl that does all the saving and a poor Cinderella ml with the powerful ceo who falls for him and is like what am I feeling? What's happening? and then fights her powerful family because they're against him or the goddess who falls in love with a mere mortal who is a damsel in distress she has to keep saving. In this show for example and correct me if I'm wrong, it seems she's the more powerful of the two even taking into consideration their genders and yet it's still the same thing, if it was the other way around with a powerful man treating a woman who is literally willing to die for him and constantly proves that she loves him more than anything like this, would it not be an issue that people would complain about? We could pick any random drama and 90% of the time whatever gets chosen will have an exceedingly devoted ml but fls in the last couple of years? It's the exact opposite.

It seems like someone in the show's production is backing the sml (it's such a weird thing but cdramas have this thing where if someone has a powerful agency or a backer they might get a lot more screen time/focus and actually have the capability to change the script even if they're secondary characters in the plot) and some people are speculating that's the case here.

I generally don't care who falls first just what they do once that's established and as for those two in particular, you're right I did feel that they would do anything for them for the most part? But did we get to really see it in general ? It was 90% the MLs making the big gestures and sacrifices etc ( Let's take SL did we get anything comparable to ML making lightning and messing with nature, loosing it and saving her, saying she saved his life by being alive, nursing her back to health in so many ways, dying for her etc) . My biggest gripe is that it feels like a pattern, like practically every romance drama nowadays has to have this particular dynamic. Take for example your profile picture which is Flower of evil, the ML was basically a househusband who did all the traditionally female roles of child rearing and house management etc and FL was the badass accomplished detective, he loved her utterly even before he understood himself and she in return did the same and they're an amazing otp. Same thing for something like You are my Glory where she has her career and it's incredibly important to her and so does he and they both find ways to put eo first and balance their relationship with their work. Fairy and devil is another great example where she's supposedly "weak" but showed such strength of character and morality and they both struggle with their loyalties to their people but they end up choosing each other at different junctures (she dies for him, he dies for her, he saves her, she saves him, he says she's my queen whether you like it or not and she goes into a torture chamber to prove herself worthy of the title, he goes to great lengths to bring her back, she waits years and does the same).

From the comments I've seen it's pretty bad but it depends on the person, some don't mind but quite a few people have an issue with it.

I understand all the intricacies and all that comes with being a woman in an ancient society or even a modern one as I am one and I've dealt with sexism and misogyny in relationships and elsewhere all that entails but there are definitely ways to show all of that and still have all of that and also make me believe in what is ultimately a romance and that these are two individuals who will do anything for each other, it certainly wouldn't negate these women's struggles or diminish their power. It's just all compounded because it's basically most dramas at this time. Something like Ming lan dealt with women's roles in society in such a delicate complex way and how the heroine had a hard time trusting the ML for a long time due to her trauma and it made perfect sense and then at the end she was ready to move heaven and earth for him because he earned it. We can have both and surely there can be a variety in dynamics, that's the beauty of fiction. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to see women who are also allowed to be the saviors or the providers or the one doing the chasing, that's empowering in its own right too. I would also love couples where the FL is the one who is stronger and with more power either as a mythical creature or a CEO and the roles are reversed.

I'm a woman too and I prefer more equal relationships not just talking about the chasing though, even after they're together there's so much more emphasis on what the men are doing for the women and I appreciate that it all plays into the romantic fantasy but some balance and some reciprocity would be nice is all.

I came here to check out the comments because the premise of double reincarnation sounded interesting but now I'm scared lol. It seems it's another case of an uneven relationship where the ml is doing most of the emotional and physical labor, why are so many cdramas like this? Just this year all the big/popular titles fall under this trope, The double, Shen li, Amidst a snowstorm, Will love in spring, In blossom, Men in love, My boss, Your interpreter.
Why is it such a foreign concept to showcase a complex badass smart fl who is also just as madly in love with her significant other just as we've seen countless dramas with well written capable men who would do anything for the women they love.
P.s. This is not an indictment of these dramas' quality or any specific characters because I loved some of them but rather commentary on the general romantic beats in Chinese dramas this year.

Oh okay so this is definitely not my cup of tea, thanks for the responses I like equal romantic internal dynamics where both people in the relationship are willing to do anything for each other regardless of how their power dynamics manifest outside in society. If this was a case of him understanding her need for freedom and therefore giving into her because of it like you said but also at the same time her wrestling with that but ultimately loving him more than she wants that than yeah but otherwise not my style.