Kate

It was not impulsive, it was the best choice she could make at the moment. If he survived she would be screwed. This was not an emotional decision, it was calculative decision. Not once in the drama so far she made impulsive decision based on her emotions.

And she is making long terms calculative plans, not short terms. There was literally not a moment of her being impulsive no matter how stressful the situation was.

How was it NOT carefully calculated when it took her weeks it make it happen 🤣 She literally was counting minutes of being beaten up knowing exactly how long tit takes from the cafe to her house. She literally got JS in jail making sure he will not ruin her plan. She planned getting the attention of the stalker, made everyone aware he was a stalker, set the baseball dude to come after her. It was all part of her plan. Impulsive would be her taking that bat and killing the dad herself the first time he came back to her and hit her.

I think me and you have different definition of what impulsive means. All her "impulsive" emotional reactions and also just tools to manipulate people, part of the manipulation.

They had to trash all the physical evidence lol It basically became word against word case. They could not trial him for murder, at best excessive use of force in self-defense lol That's my issue. With them removing A Jin from the crime case, they made all the evidence useless.

sure, but you need evidence to pin something on someone, and with how they made A Jin "unrelated to it" made all the evidence useless. I wish the writing was smarted in that aspect. I'm not bad they pinned it on him, it makes sense plot wise, I am mad with how it was written and how they went about it 😅

yes and no, There is genetic aspect to all personality disorders. If someone does not have said genetics predispositions they will not turn into psychopaths/sociopaths no matter the abuse. That's why not everyone who is a victim abuse becomes one. There is a chance even in a happy environment she would later present antisocial or psychopathic tendencies, but it would not turn into a full personality disorder.

yeah but save her means removing basically all the evidence overall from the case, and that would most likely lead to them not being able to prosecute the baseball player either. That's my issue. Not them being able to bail her out of the situation, but how the consequence of it would be lost case and the dude should be able to get his case dismissed. Like he can still hire a lawyer and all that.

honestly calling her sociopath was unnecessary and just created some issues for them writing wise hahah they could have just stick with antisocial personality disorder 🤣

I know that, I studied clinical psychology for 5 years in university as my major 😅

Psychopaths can form attachments too, they just different in quality since they perceive emotions and connections differently. It's not an attachment in a way we understand it. And it's not like both psychopathy and sociopathy is 0-1 type of a situation. You have various characteristic that can be presented with different intensity.

But she is not impulsive nor emotional, she is extremely cold and manipulative. Even by the presentation so far she fits more a psychopath than a sociopath.

Both psychopathy and sociopathy have both environmental can genetic component to it, just different ratio. But with her calculative demeanor and well she can fake being a normal person with deep emotions and can blend in the society - that's far more psychopath like...

I like writing 🤣 Also discussions like that makes it easier to actually form opinions since I need to verbalize them in a proper manner, so I need to truly understand what I want to say 😅

Not something i have ever scene. < well, it is a rare situation.The drama claims she has antisocial personality disorder (which I would agree with), and that she is a sociopath, but for me she fits the picture of psychopath far more. from 1 to 4% of global population are psychopaths, this is rare, and it's especially rare to be this severe in childhood. But it does happen. While she could have been helped when she was a child and her behavior could have been modeled to live a normal life (example would be showing the benefits of lawful behavior), no she is more or less... lost cause 🥲

We saw her father at least 3 times talk with people when how and for what to sell her. We saw her beating beaten up countless of times. It's not like they will be able to show each and never time it happened - the plot would never take place then. They showed it enough and they talked about it enough between different characters for the audience to know it was a norm at her place. They showed not one scene of the "happy times" - it's a fair judgement to assume there were none. If there were, they would show them as they would be important to explain the relationship between her and her parents. That's normal to assume if something was not parent of the picture in the story, it did not happen. Otherwise it's impossible to watch any shows since "anything could have happened in the moments they did not show on screen". The audience has to believe the writer and director shown everything that was important for the characters and their relationships.

so that doesnt justify what she did to her mom. < she didn;t do anything to her mom. Even if she would want to call the ambulance - she would NEVEr make it. Her father would just kill her and then claim the mom kid the kid and then fell down the stairs coz she was drunk. But what's most important - the child her age is literally incapable of making real moral judgement since the part of the brain responsible for it is literally not developed fully and won't be for the next like 10 years. So not only her moral judgement was clouded by growing up in abusive environment, her brain is not even equipped to understand and make the moral judgements. By all means as a child her priority was survival and I do not think a child can be blamed for it. Does it excuse her actions as an adult? No. But for the moment of not helping her mother a child - I cannot blame her. And I cannot make myself feel bad for the mother. A person who abuses their own kid has no right for sympathy from anyone. That's one of the lowest and most evil things one can do. While A Jin's action can be explained by the abuse and young age, the mother has no excuse nor explanation for abusing her child. "no child would behave like she did." you said, technically no parent would behave like her parents - it;s normal for parents to love their children and want to protect them, not be the one to hurt them. the same way her mother was capable to act like a monster, the same way the child was able to detached from her parents and view them as only villains of her life.

What i wanted to see is some redeemable traits in her so i can keep the hope that she would come around in the end. But that's not what i got < you won;'t get that I think. It's pretty obvious the story leads to her downfall. She is not a hero, not even an anti-hero. She is a villain. It's a story from villain's perspective. Also explaining and excusing someone's behavior is different. I think the show does a good job explaining her thought process and why she keeps thinking she is the true and only victim and she has a right to act the way she is, without excusing her behavior. I understand her choices without agreeing with them. And while as a child I think she needed help and protection even after leaving her mother to die (how much psychological struggles you must have to do that, how much help and therapy you need to get better), as an adult she needs punishment and supervision. It's too late to help her.

So when i say she doesnt get sympathy from me, i have all the rights to say that as i have practically lived that life and i would still not have it in me to wish ill of my parents. < your parents planned to sell you and film rape porn with you when you were teenager? Coz her life was not getting slapped or even hit with a belt for bad grades, but literally being beaten up to the point of passing out and knowing at some point when she grows up she will be sold as a prostitute. Hitting a child no matter what is abuse, but abuse also has it's levels and she had some of the worst abuses a child can get. )and if you went through something truly traumatic I am sorry. Just the examples you are giving are not comparable to what the character went through).

Besides at the young age like her , a kid would see their parents as her life line , even if they beat them i see many children will go hug their parents to pacify them and clung their hands. Even if we consider she gone through a lot of abuse since a baby and her heart turned stone, no child would behave like she did. < that's... literally incorrect. What you describe is a situation when a parent occasionally beats a child but there are also ups in the relationship when the parents tears the kid with care, similar to abusive relationship between abusts when you have periods of abuse and periods of honeymoon. The honeymoon phase is what keeps the relationship from breaking and makes leaving impossible because you keep being reminded of the good times and you can fool yourself into thinking the person cares for you. But when there is no "good times" it's a completely different situation.

We are not talking about the situation when parents love their kids and use wrong methods of disciplining them. We are talking about a parents who do not love their kids and use them as punching bags when they get frustrated for any reason whatsoever, even if the kid did nothing wrong. A kid CANNOT form any attachment to a parent who NEVER showed any care nor protection for them. This is not how human brain works.

"now she can do bad stuff." most people do not think she can do bad things. While most people have no issue watching a fictional character get revenge on people who wronged her, no one would say it's fine in real life. And even with fiction most people say she crossed the line when she got an innocent person take a fall for her manipulative plan. She is both main character and villain, and while her claim to the top is fun to watch, a lot of people also want to ultimately see her downfall.

No , i have seen so many kids from toxic family grew up with good heart and have became a beaming light for others because they understood misery all too well they wouldn't wish it upon others. < that's because personality disorders have strong biological component. The kids you know were blessed to not have genetic components to make them prone to personality disorders. All psychological issues come from both external and internal circumstances - how the environment affects us, and how our brain and genetic affect us.

well anti-hero by all means usually still wants to achieve a goal that is viewed as good/just etc, but usees means that are questionable at best, evil at worst. That's not what we have here with A Jin tho 😅

yes and no. Majority of violent criminal had severe abuse in their childhood - does that mean majority of violent criminals and serial killers and not the be blamed? While her behavior as a child was on her parents, at some point an adult has to make their own decisions and face the consequences of their own actions. Is it fair? No. But it is true. The moments someone becomes a perpetrator, they lose their status as a victim in my eyes. You cannot get my sympathy for being a victim when you yourself create more victims ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That said, I'll enjoy her claim to to top for as long as it lasts 🔥

that's a tiny issue I have... because symptoms wise she is a psychopath, but they call her sociopath to show she was "made" that way and it's not her genetics. They are mixing whatever fits the set up for character even if it is not based in real definition of the psychological issues they are using.

If a 6 year old girl could stand over her collapsed mom fighting for her life with blood soaking the feet of her child, begging her to call for her and if she decides to coldly walk away from witnessing that , i am sorry , she is not gonna get sympathy from me. < this she gets sympathy from me. I see no reason why she would want to keep the mother who abuses and beats her alive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why would anyone save the person who beats you so bad at some point you will most likely lose your life from their abuse? That said, this is the line for me - not helping when someone else (aka the father) actually is responsible for the harm. Her plan with the father was what did not sit up with me coz it harms innocent.

As for mother - no sympathy for her death, as far as I know she could have suffered more. Why should anyone have any sympathy for a mother that abuses her own child?

Okay I'm up to date, loved episode 4, BUT there was a massive flawn - they overdone the investigation, wanted to make the whole scheme more grand, complex than it had to be, and at the end it was just stupid 🤣

I think they left too many real evidence the dude did not kill him for me to be like - sure it's probable he would be framed. Literally they would have to remove all the evidence - bat since it only had fingerprints of ML, timeline and forensic evidence showing there were 3 strikes to the head from different times, all CCTV from the era. Like by then they would have nothing to even prosecute the baseball player with. And he is well loved and popular person himself, so it's not like the general public would jump to idea he was guilty when no evidence was presented, but his confession, since they cannot show any evidence it all points out to his "innocence" 🤡 The number of people that would have to be silenced, boughts etc is just ridiculous 😅

Anyway, we are entering the actress era. Cannot wait to see her at the top and then see her downfall 🤣🤣

So I want the bestie as the end game. And you know what, I think I like him best coz the actors does the best job acting wise 🤣 He acts the best, so he makes me feel shit, so I start rooting for him. Also Puppy that gets protective and jealous? I mean... this is the best combination 🔥

And I think there is a high chance the bestie is the end game. He has the most screen time, he has the most screen time without the lead, he is the only one who has people around him that are not ML which makes him more developed. Out of all 3 rivals he seems to be the most in the center of the story.

Oh god if you think he was a green life you gonna have a real tough life. This is not a green light. No one can be manipulated into abusive and aggressive behavior, he was abusive and aggressive and JM used that to his advantage. But Jae Min did not make him the way he was. He was growing up in abusive household and what he needs is years of serious therapy, not a relationship 🤣 Someone who forced themselves on you sexually assaulting you CANNOT BE A GREEN LIGHT no matter the external circumstances.

First thing first - King is so fucking annoying. First half of episode 2 I was kind of hoping this will be like a redemption story for him and with the investigation they will fixed the partnership between him and Singha. But nope, bitch did not learn anything, has no regrets about the past mistakes and currently want to make the same mistakes again 🤡 fuck him very much.

I like the supernatural, i like the horror, I even like the investigation (King is a dumb bitch, but that's realistic - obedient dumb bitches often have high ranks). But daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn they are committed to bring all and every fucking cliche supernatural YA romance line between the leads there is and I'm laughing my ass off.

"Do I need to carry you?", "are you the wife?", "will you change, or do I need to change it for you" like damn there is more 🤣🤣🤣🤣

anyway, I'm excited for next episode.
Also that poster is so bad... like the drama has good quality and great visuals, why the poster so cheap looking? 🤡

I will start with 3 important "hopes" I have, that will not happen.
1. MAKE IT POLY.
2. Keep her psycho - she does not need character development.
3. Make her plan work.

Damn I liked episode 1 so much 😭
Kim You Jung is acing the role. This baby face can be so fucking scary 🔥

For real tho about the poly... the ending of the episode - scene in the classroom. Make them poly and trio in crime. Make them stay "bad" and keep winning 🤣

I mean they literally started by saying she has antisocial personality disorder - YOU CANNOT CURE THAT 😅 Keep her as she is till the end pretty please, she is so much fun to watch 🔥🙂🔪🔥