Finally one where the FL torments the ML back rightfully so😌
Exactly what I disliked. The circle of violence should have stopped. If ML didn't have the child he would have attempted suicide like FL did earlier in the story. She was too cruel. She forgot she was trap by ML in the small mansion because The Duan family and the Yi family and someone else (Second master Huo) wanted to kill her. She was not a great FL because of that, she became despicable to me at that point of time.
She became so dumb She was not in a prison, she was in reality in a panick room, where she was protected. She only saw she was in a mansion not that ML did all he could to protect her life, same way Mr Wu did doing martial arts.
Of course I understand that she was hurt by ML before but she went to far for me regarding the circumstances. She was just mean.
Generally speaking FLs are more intelligent than brutal. They usually stop the circle of violence. Not this particular FL.
please do not force her just because you are obsessed with her. I hope this is not another excuse to show a guy…
I ended up disliking FL because of the way she retaliates. The vicious circle of violence should stop. She became despicable in my views. But considering the high quality of the show. I still gave it 7.5.
It was a great quality drama. Too bad it is violent and the morals are bad, in my opinion. I didn't like the retaliation. the vicious circle of violence should stop at some point. I gave is 7.5 to be fair.
He does. He told one of his guard to have soldiers stationed outside
Yes that's true, but I think about something more related to the blood spirit. I have the hunch the real Yan shu did not know everything about that blood spirit. Something that could stop Yan shu's attempt at revenge. Because I wonder if she will have the time to use the 3 flowers and if those are enough to defeat the Emperor. Besides yes the guard can also meddle in the situation.
Mao saved Ando when they were young and Ando's been hopeless for her since then 🤞
Yes I watched it and wrote a review. I liked it very much despite the ending in which I would have liked more details on the retributions.
Yes Mao amazed me; She was a warrior in the last episode. She was completely diferent from the weak and servil Mao we so in the begining. I liked the coporate part because in other dramas I saw them just tell stories about what happened in the conglomerate and honestly , it feels hasty. I am happy I could witness the events alongside the leads.
Yes Azuma was not a trashy SFL after all and that's good. I was tired of those lately like in "Mr and Ms higarashy" or "revenge boyfriend". Those SFL are ready to do anything just for ML to look at them. A pity. However, I wouldn't say azuma was good because she wanted to belittle Mao to much. It was ugly.
Indeed, Ando's 10 years crush was a big loss for her. She had to come up with a story in order not to loose face. I believe her 50%. Because reality is : she wanted Ando, she went the whole process with her parents. Sure that she would be Ms Ando and that's why she marked territories with Mao. And at the end of the day, she was rejected. So coming with a narrative that she wasn't that interested in him so just hearing the story was boring to her, seems a lie to me to help her keep face. After all she did. Reality is, she was delusional, obsessed with him regardless of the fact he always avoided her.
Kota, was very pitiful. I am happy he could right his wrongs and start over. He made the effort to walk until Mao's farm in the countryside and ended up helping her. Yes he deserves forgiveness because he showed his sincerity. I liked that he could be redeemable.
Yes the CEO believed he was almighty. Too bad for him. Of course it could have been better. But that's OK. We got closure.
Mao saved Ando when they were young and Ando's been hopeless for her since then 🤞
The ending was indeed very sweet but although it was shot in only one location ( for the most part ) I have the feeling it could have been complexified more. Because of the retributions. I also felt a little bit unsettled because of the ending.
What about Kota. He just confessed and that's it. No reprecutions? We didn't see people dragging him for interrogation or something, which would have implied a retribution.
What about Azuma. Although she let Mao in and she appeared cocky rejecting Hajime, we didn't see him rejecting her and her realizing that despite being mean to Mao, in the end, this served nothing.
Luckily we had the biggest retribution : the CEO. That I liked. Overall I enjoyed it.
I wish I fully understood what "fallen" was supposed to mean in this context. I tried looking the actual characters…
Ok, he doesn't hide his face for long in this drama. In my opinion it worths the watch. Episode 21 and 22 were a big twist in the story because now we are in the endgame. Happy to know you like our take on the show. And I hope you were enjoy it when it is completely released. Also happy to know we love the same thing. I hope the story will continue to be that good and they give us a good ending. Let's see.
I wish I fully understood what "fallen" was supposed to mean in this context. I tried looking the actual characters…
Thank you. I just loved this show. The quest and the flower are interesting to me. I enjoy it a lot. We will soon have one episode a day, so be prepared. I already rated this a 10. What about you?
Great show to me. The story was entertaining and funny and the action was great. 10/10 for me. I laughed so much at times. And the Delulu Chairwoman almostt frightened me. <3
"so convenient to blame KSHthese same women watch toxic shows and fawn over red flag men "From your profile:"I…
This is losing your time with that person's nonsense.
"so convenient to blame KSH these same women watch toxic shows and fawn over red flag men "
That person is ignorant. He doesn't know the process of catharsis :
Exerpt :"In dramaturgy, the term [catharsis] usually refers to arousing negative emotion [like anger, disgust, guilt..] in an audience, who subsequently expels it, making them feel happier." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharsis
It is because we watch those red flag male lead who make us disgusted that in real life we process those negative feelings, notice those red flag men in real life and we can repel them more easily. It allows human beings to process bad emotions. If not we would freeze when ever something as disgusting as pedophilia appears before our eyes. because human brain takes time to understand things.
With the purpose of diminishing/ insulting people. That person is just an ignorant who is just complimenting people for knowing how to repel bad guys like pedophiles. He just doesn't know it. Don't bother.
The show was great, near perfection. The character are very endearing and the plot is good too, Very logical. Mao has great character development as Kota. I liked all the characters. I could rewatch it again. Sweet Romance. I recommend it.
I wish I fully understood what "fallen" was supposed to mean in this context. I tried looking the actual characters…
I didn't find it on youtube. It is new so it is still available on official platforms. If fan subbers had translated it, we would have an alternate expresion for this flower.
I wish I fully understood what "fallen" was supposed to mean in this context. I tried looking the actual characters…
They call it the fallen flower all the time. I remember her commenting it. I had the same translation you had. It says "fallen" everywhere. You are welcome.
I wish I fully understood what "fallen" was supposed to mean in this context. I tried looking the actual characters…
In the first episode she said she needed to grow hate, love and despair. This is why she asked her brother Shi Han to help her fake a flirtatious encounter or intercourse. We don't know yet. So that Mu Han can feel sadness. But I fear this will backfire.
She might be able to pluck the flower but what if Mu Han gets taken and she cannot come clean about her revenge plan and the flowers. That would be tragic. Yan shu's brother : He Chuan is still at large. What if he abducts Mu Han.
I assumed it was the Emperor's child because the main antagonist didn't say anything. And I also assumed that…
I think that I don't need them to show me all the characters doings to connect the dots and understand their behaviour. Because I find it hard to believe that the plot is not logical. Especially because there is only one writer for this story : 幸璐璐. A character cannot accept blackmail just to save an unborn child and later abandon this child to go wander the world.
And honestly if the child's conception date could be manipulated. The antagonist would have done it. If she didn't, it is because she couldn't. ( for some reasons : time span, time spent with the Emperor and the brother...)
So I don't think this is conjectures. In my opinion it is logical. At least, this is how I understand the drama.
Me too. I just watched episode 4 and I am happy Shun didn't really do something wrong to Maika. Maybe because…
Yes, I remember I read some comments about another revenge drama. And people were complaining that the revenge was not developed enough in the plot. I wait to see the same thing here too, because some people like huge revenge plot with big retributions.
Because it was the climax alongside the moment Maika found out Shun was her former classmate and crush. That SMF looked completely crazy in that scene, by the way.
Good description of the mothers. I don't think Maika's mother will change at all. I think she can only accept things as they are. To me the two mother are equally the worst. Because Maika's mother as not succeeded in making her dream come true. So she is harrassing Maika. And although Shun's mother is now rich, she is still asking for this marriage alliance and she is diminishing her son calling him useless. This is equally harassment on their children.
I hope too. I also think SML might really fall for Maika. If he is evil, that love will turn to obsession. Oh that would put Maika in dire situations. Really SML and SFL would be made for each other : Two evil characters.
I actually had this EXACT same question on if the baby could have been transferred over but I think what they…
I assumed it was the Emperor's child because the main antagonist didn't say anything. And I also assumed that the court ladies knew about the Dowager's period. So the Emperor must have inquired the exact date of the pregnancy. The time frame might be a span of several months. So to me it could only be the Emperor's baby and not the brother's. The maid servant a witness. Even if we did not see that.
And yes you are right. Her leaving the palace is just what they told to the historians. She would have never done that. They might have thought about this solution to make sure she leaves the palace and she can leave worryfree. She would have never abandonned her child, given how she was ready to fall under the antagonnist's blackmail, just to protect him. I was unsettled about the ending, but thinking about it now I like it. It is like in "everlasting love". They told the palace historian that they were dead, but in reality the left and lived happily ever after. Cute ending.
So do I have this right? When Wen Zhao was in Lv Shao’s body she seduced and slept with Lv Zun correct? That…
I assumed it was the Emperor's child because the main antagonist didn't say anything. And I also assumed that the court ladies knew about the Dowager's period. So the Emperor must have inquired the exact date of the pregnancy. So to me it could only be the Emperor's baby and not the brother's. The maid servant a witness. Even if we did not see that.
As for the ending. I guess it is what they told the palace historian but they lived together after she left the palace in that country house or in Aman's tribe.
She was too cruel. She forgot she was trap by ML in the small mansion because
The Duan family and the Yi family and someone else (Second master Huo) wanted to kill her.
She was not a great FL because of that, she became despicable to me at that point of time.
She became so dumb She was not in a prison, she was in reality in a panick room, where she was protected. She only saw she was in a mansion not that ML did all he could to protect her life, same way Mr Wu did doing martial arts.
Of course I understand that she was hurt by ML before but she went to far for me regarding the circumstances. She was just mean.
Generally speaking FLs are more intelligent than brutal. They usually stop the circle of violence. Not this particular FL.
The vicious circle of violence should stop. She became despicable in my views.
But considering the high quality of the show. I still gave it 7.5.
I didn't like the retaliation. the vicious circle of violence should stop at some point.
I gave is 7.5 to be fair.
I have the hunch the real Yan shu did not know everything about that blood spirit.
Something that could stop Yan shu's attempt at revenge.
Because I wonder if she will have the time to use the 3 flowers and if those are enough to defeat the Emperor.
Besides yes the guard can also meddle in the situation.
Yes Mao amazed me; She was a warrior in the last episode. She was completely diferent from the weak and servil Mao we so in the begining.
I liked the coporate part because in other dramas I saw them just tell stories about what happened in the conglomerate and honestly , it feels hasty. I am happy I could witness the events alongside the leads.
Yes Azuma was not a trashy SFL after all and that's good. I was tired of those lately like in "Mr and Ms higarashy" or "revenge boyfriend". Those SFL are ready to do anything just for ML to look at them. A pity.
However, I wouldn't say azuma was good because she wanted to belittle Mao to much. It was ugly.
Indeed, Ando's 10 years crush was a big loss for her. She had to come up with a story in order not to loose face. I believe her 50%.
Because reality is : she wanted Ando, she went the whole process with her parents. Sure that she would be Ms Ando and that's why she marked territories with Mao. And at the end of the day, she was rejected. So coming with a narrative that she wasn't that interested in him so just hearing the story was boring to her, seems a lie to me to help her keep face. After all she did.
Reality is, she was delusional, obsessed with him regardless of the fact he always avoided her.
Kota, was very pitiful. I am happy he could right his wrongs and start over. He made the effort to walk until Mao's farm in the countryside and ended up helping her. Yes he deserves forgiveness because he showed his sincerity. I liked that he could be redeemable.
Yes the CEO believed he was almighty. Too bad for him. Of course it could have been better. But that's OK. We got closure.
Because of the retributions.
I also felt a little bit unsettled because of the ending.
What about Kota. He just confessed and that's it. No reprecutions? We didn't see people dragging him for interrogation or something, which would have implied a retribution.
What about Azuma. Although she let Mao in and she appeared cocky rejecting Hajime, we didn't see him rejecting her and her realizing that despite being mean to Mao, in the end, this served nothing.
Luckily we had the biggest retribution : the CEO. That I liked.
Overall I enjoyed it.
In my opinion it worths the watch.
Episode 21 and 22 were a big twist in the story because now we are in the endgame. Happy to know you like our take on the show. And I hope you were enjoy it when it is completely released. Also happy to know we love the same thing. I hope the story will continue to be that good and they give us a good ending. Let's see.
I laughed so much at times. And the Delulu Chairwoman almostt frightened me. <3
"so convenient to blame KSH
these same women watch toxic shows and fawn over red flag men "
That person is ignorant. He doesn't know the process of catharsis :
Exerpt :"In dramaturgy, the term [catharsis] usually refers to arousing negative emotion [like anger, disgust, guilt..] in an audience, who subsequently expels it, making them feel happier."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharsis
It is because we watch those red flag male lead who make us disgusted that in real life we process those negative feelings, notice those red flag men in real life and we can repel them more easily.
It allows human beings to process bad emotions.
If not we would freeze when ever something as disgusting as pedophilia appears before our eyes. because human brain takes time to understand things.
With the purpose of diminishing/ insulting people. That person is just an ignorant who is just complimenting people for knowing how to repel bad guys like pedophiles.
He just doesn't know it.
Don't bother.
The character are very endearing and the plot is good too, Very logical.
Mao has great character development as Kota. I liked all the characters.
I could rewatch it again. Sweet Romance. I recommend it.
I had the same translation you had.
It says "fallen" everywhere.
You are welcome.
This is why she asked her brother Shi Han to help her fake a flirtatious encounter or intercourse. We don't know yet. So that Mu Han can feel sadness.
But I fear this will backfire.
She might be able to pluck the flower but what if Mu Han gets taken and she cannot come clean about her revenge plan and the flowers. That would be tragic. Yan shu's brother : He Chuan is still at large. What if he abducts Mu Han.
Because I find it hard to believe that the plot is not logical. Especially because there is only one writer for this story : 幸璐璐.
A character cannot accept blackmail just to save an unborn child and later abandon this child to go wander the world.
And honestly if the child's conception date could be manipulated. The antagonist would have done it. If she didn't, it is because she couldn't. ( for some reasons : time span, time spent with the Emperor and the brother...)
So I don't think this is conjectures. In my opinion it is logical. At least, this is how I understand the drama.
Because it was the climax alongside the moment Maika found out Shun was her former classmate and crush. That SMF looked completely crazy in that scene, by the way.
Good description of the mothers. I don't think Maika's mother will change at all. I think she can only accept things as they are. To me the two mother are equally the worst. Because Maika's mother as not succeeded in making her dream come true. So she is harrassing Maika. And although Shun's mother is now rich, she is still asking for this marriage alliance and she is diminishing her son calling him useless. This is equally harassment on their children.
I hope too. I also think SML might really fall for Maika.
If he is evil, that love will turn to obsession. Oh that would put Maika in dire situations.
Really SML and SFL would be made for each other : Two evil characters.
So to me it could only be the Emperor's baby and not the brother's.
The maid servant a witness. Even if we did not see that.
And yes you are right. Her leaving the palace is just what they told to the historians.
She would have never done that.
They might have thought about this solution to make sure she leaves the palace and she can leave worryfree.
She would have never abandonned her child, given how she was ready to fall under the antagonnist's blackmail, just to protect him.
I was unsettled about the ending, but thinking about it now I like it.
It is like in "everlasting love". They told the palace historian that they were dead, but in reality the left and lived happily ever after. Cute ending.
So to me it could only be the Emperor's baby and not the brother's.
The maid servant a witness. Even if we did not see that.
As for the ending. I guess it is what they told the palace historian but they lived together after she left the palace in that country house or in Aman's tribe.