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sorry im late but yes and it's hot. like they actually make out aggressively and like real humans who are attracted to each other

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i'm gonna rewatch this soon. i fucking love this drama and it's queerer than half the shit they call queer these days even with the ending but the whole thing is like subverting roles and showing the complexity of gender. it's actually kind of upsetting that if "he" stayed in her body, she would be considered a man and that this would be bl when it was clear that it wasn't one or the other. but that's fine because there's only 2 genders and 2 sexualities right and it's innate and and can NEVER change. this and school nurse files (SNF was even better wrt gender and rships) >>>>

ANYWAY the more i think about it the more fun i have. these two were fucking amazing and i honestly believe it motivated a move to hybrid historical dramas for SK (think alchemy of souls)

IKR @ DATING HER UGHHHH. they are both sooo (chefs kiss) but i'd love to read your comment about tae hee if you don't mind linking me! i appreciate him as a person a lot but i'm always more drawn towards the women (obviously lmao) but i really really appreciate his character and can't wait to love him even more with her. these two are such a bright spot. can't wait to read your comment!

is his goal 2 ruin their business and walk away or steal all their money? if it's the former i think i want to watch, latter idk abt that

also reading the comments makes me laugh this sounds kinda like succession wrt the family dynamics

yea i think so too like when she asked 'what aren't you telling me'? but it could also be that she just doesn't get it. i was kinda thinking that maybe they had to decide which of the two gets an operation but they have the emergency paddles with his brother right? even just on the hospital floor he could get treated as opposed to the man being in the room. also to be fair the fact that his bro wasn't helped immediately is a major major problem. but the look on the policeman's face when he saw her was weird right?

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i do feel bad for chung ha honestly. idk why but i was living for this drama (as in the messy drama). a lot of it is stupid but it sure held my attention. i even liked how the death faded into the background but the people she met were still important. the highschoolers were so bittersweet my god. that's so....but the couple about to get married wanted to work it out. these are just really sad realities of some people's lives and it's so fucking unfortunate and sad all this loss but the show keeps that glimmer of hope.

um now the two of them? idk what it is but when they fight or are awkward and then make up it's so satisfying. i think because when they speak the words they know exactly what they are doing and what they're apologizing for. and i like how every response to a situation they have if it's negative has context like tae hee became stiff (and lied) because a painful part of his past—that he firmly left behind—popped up and it's hard to deal with. even though that was some pussy shit, it wasn't irreversible.

dong joo is one of my favorite female characters in a while. she's so fucking cool and hot and intelligent and kind but really independent and at least tries to still enjoy life. she's just so mature and well-rounded and not close to perfect at all. together they're so good and beautiful lmao they have fun together and need each other but not in a bad way. they were made for each other >:)

i understand what you're saying and i actually agree with the above. i just finished the episodes and i actually felt really bad for her. i mean she has her head in her ass but i get it. and i think she should move on for her health and happiness but i understand if she can't.

however, chung ha's mom said something about her character, and obviously they are similar because her mom fucked her up esp her relationship with men, but chung ha can't let go of something unless she relinquishes it herself. and i think that's pretty telling. on top of that, knowing that she literally did not do anything wrong and was just doing her job, she should be able to understand at least somehow that it's not about her per se. like if she just used her brain a little more. i think a big thing is that she can't even understand the core reason of what he did because she needs to find control over the situation. as if it can be fixed...

i mean i was missing a lot of information until i finished the episode but beforehand, even without registering his brother was on his way to go to chung ha (my b bc i wasnt paying attn in the last like 3 eps lol), it STILL made sense why tae hee would push her away.

he didn't talk to her for 2 years....i'm not sure how much clearer things can get. i think she just has a hard time letting go and it makes sense and sure she doesn't have to. but that's on her to deal with; it can be something that haunts her or she can work on herself and eventually date again. i mean she looks so embarrassing honestly the whole time i was watching i was like this is so fucking sad and pathetic bc it is....she's a sad person like he said with a sad life

no worries! i'm sorry that happened to you, that's a double whammy. also ugh at ppl asking :( it's just sooo hard to explain what it feels like for that (loss) to happen. my own tmi: today's been one of those days where i'm mad that i'm not over my grief LOL. it's all inexplicable.

i agree with you! honestly it doesn't even bother because, like you said, there is a lot to like; it's very sweet, they're so beautiful together, and it gets the emotional beats right.

also forgot to add that i think that there's a lot of things grief can unearth. i'm not saying everyone is like perfectly healthy but i am saying that they're not basketcases. i can't fall in love and expect my issues to go away because i struggle with MH but a lot of people are lucky enough to have humps in their lives, big or small, not become a leash. (MH which for many of us does genuinely get better with age; the goal is to not have to have support like medication and therapy all the time. and this is why we talk about TIME and how time itself heals because so much changes on any given day....like someone dying or you getting to meet someone randomly; one negative, one positive)

i think they show us those types of people purposefully obviously—that's why it's healing. therefore falling in love with someone, when you are someone who can keep themselves afloat decently, can absolutely help you change and move forward, especially someone who gets you and why you are the way you are. we learn from our partners and many times love can give people who haven't been able to cultivate self-love a reason to do it.

heheheh ty!! glad we're having a fun time with this show!

this boy is sprung....love it

ok just finished the eps. had the time of my life. the show is entertaining lol. also wow they finally :) where the fuck can we watch the previews?

also DJ pulling TH closer....watering my crops. i can't wait to see how they are together dating fr fr

yea and i feel like...i don't want to diminish how much that fucking SUUUUUCKS but also like.......breakups fucking happen! yes it can hurt but i know a lot of people are able to understand why someone acted the way they did when they go through this extremely deep and irreversible tragedy. relationships simply end sometimes! sometimes they end not the way we want them to.

i don't even think she knows what she wants. closure isn't really closure ever, unless she wants an epxlanation in which case there is a very simple one. but what then? if she wants him back that isn't...how that works regardless of the circumstances, people are allowed to not be together. there's also grieving the end of that relationship! she can't get the same love she had with him because he's an individual but she /can/ fall in love again if that's what she wants. (also omfg 500dos like another couple literally begging to not be together my god everyone is better off!)

2y is the time to move on lol. like all this over a man? naur. she's rly not thinking clearly, or the writers aren't allowing her to be smart or something because: what would that rship even look like? why would you want to get back together with him after all that shit? he still got baggage (yes!)? it's just soooo many questions

hey i am going ot finish the episodes but i agree that he isn't done and can see what you mean by just beginning. really what i meant is that he's dealing with it and has baggage because of it but that's the nature of losing someone. his biggest issue is holding it all inside as we've seen. he has to let it out and allow himself to be fully human! away from the shadow of what he lost (but not forgetting). i'm also sure a lot of his inability to express himself started /before/ his brother passed because of his parents.

but for the most part, for someone who has a iffy childhood too!, he's a mentally well adjusted person it's just that grief is something that is so destabilizing, righ? so it can turn the most 'sane' of people insane. mentally he isn't in the place he was when that tragedy was right at his doorstep (another reason why i find it asinine to ask if someone could weather a tragedy with another partner as if that all looks the same and we all handle ever single situation the same way and also as if TIME does not pass!!!! like!) but that doesn't mean he's healed, just that he's not self-flagellating anymore or immobilized by it.

it's really so sad to see people not understand this but honestly i'd rather they didn't get the hell that is losing a loved one. i cannot imagine if i lost my brother like i would be inconsolable and he's 33. even thinking about this stuff hurts so bad.

also what you said about CH yea like. when she invited him to the place for his job (this is my pet peeve like girl he's working)...he was gutted. i can't name the feeling but you know what i mean; you characterized it. good point! he just couldn't be near her. and again i'm not saying acting like that (breaking up with no explanation) is the right thing to do, it is a shitty thing to do but it's not the end of the world tho...unlike losing a loved one from death which fucking feels like the end of the world...like yea he fucked up but it's not on a consistent basis, or abusive, or a particular pattern. it is because of this SPECIFIC event. so yea him being bogged down when he sees her is real like it hurts. and hopefully one day he doesn't have to feel that way. you make a very good point. and i will have to watch to see her (CH) behavior and put it in context but i think i will probably agree with you about her but this: "and he couldn't bring himself to go through the motions of being a devoted boyfriend, proposing marriage and acting like everything was fine"

quiet. part. loud. i don't even know WHY we would want them to stay together after that, at least then. imagine what planning that wedding would be like? having to function and pretend to smile. what kind of husband would he be? probably not a fucking good one. that is HELL. if everything went as planned then he could really become someone horrendous because he's stuck in the same place that reminds him of the same things. going through the motions of just make believe, which is sitll running away from grief. which is the thing that kills us and that's why we get into self destruct mode because we can't handle it! if he stayed with her it would have been a different destruction and much more emotional casualties. you have to learn to live with it. i also think he was destined (well you know, fate and destiny themes anyway but) to stop being a doctor. they are both not doing the things they thought they would do,, and there's the grief of losing their jobs or who they thought they were (i'm veering off but omfg ur comment abt TH and DJ *_*)

anyway your comment made me a lil tear eyed cos yea...you get it. i fucking wish it was that easy. i wish i never knew what it felt like to lose someone i love, i wish no one did, i wish it wasn't a part of life even though it has to be because it HUUUUUUUUUUUUURTS it hurts and it's forever. absolutely agreed, i saw this ex-viner who's father passed make a tweet about how people just expected his grief to go the way you described and how insulting it is, to have people not get that when you lose someone forever it is a neverending process. i'm also veeery confused as to why someone would think an extremely beloved family member who passes wouldn't overshadow romantic love in a grief response. that's actually the wildest thing to me. it shows that romanic love trumps any other type of love and it creates a hierarchy that was never there. it's not like his immense love for his brother is even close to the same with CH because, you know, they're related and he is a child.. but more importantly like hello? that is his BROTHER who he loved?????? what a weird concept to me. i can't explain exactly why that's fucked up and a weird thing to say but i hope you understand what i mean lmao

i'd say you should give people more benefit of the doubt, about the assumptions of ignorance just because he's a man. while that's true for many—who are mostly women—it's also not true for many. i think when it's not a specifically gendered type of response , he's not violent, abusive, etc than it's fair to think about these things deeper. i think that's a cop out excuse.

also, when did i say he wasn't flawed? and that is the farthest case for me, liking an ML just bc he's a man, though i shouldn't need to justify as i have previously. in fact, his response was extremely hurtful and i'm sure, in a way, traumatizing for her. but it shows a fundamental misunderstanding about what this shit does to you. and we can see that she's also grieving in her way and that is coming at a cost just like with him. yet her reaction is incomparable in source of the grief and in their actions. one ended a relationship because of a death of a loved one—that she cannot fill and should not—but the other is trying to wedge between a budding relationship because she's responding to her desire for his love because he rejected that love and hurt her.

the fact that i have to explain this shows, once again, this is a type of pain that is so unimaginable to people that they cannot understand why this would happen. and another difference is though what she experiences is painful (and she's shown in her actions she actually like needs-needs therapy) it is nOTHING like what he went through. not that his pain trumps hers because that is a personal experience and isn't a competition but the fact is that his pain will never ever ever go away. it cannot be fixed, he will never get another brother, that same one. ever. but she will find love and happiness with that love because she is alive and so are another 8b ppl on earth. though that experience was painful, and she won't forget it, she /can/ experience love again. she can even see tae hee again for gods sake! he cannot say the same about his brother.

look it's whatever but i have seen this type of comment a lot so idk. it's weird to me but its' okay to think that so whatevah

no, the opposite. i'm saying no one handles grief well.

tbh i'm glad but he likes to have fun. i think it may also be to show people this isn't a christian drama (like mentioning the fact that they could have slept together) but just one that has themes of death and talks about god. because lord knows i was terrified at first lmao

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i think the issue is your belief that anyone handles grief well.