nimwoo

ryu taesuk was right in this own standards: the government failed him and he joined the other side. he was right all along. i'll miss you baby

you must've watched it in 2x cuz it's 8 40 mins eps in 4 hours lol?

male humiliation and secondary treatment does exist, but the idea of it being because they are men (misandry), doesn't. misandry is a concept created to counter misogyny - the hatred, contempt and prejudice against women, because of our nature of being women, and to keep us subjected to a lower status than men, given less opportunities and subjected to all sorts of violence *because* of being women. misogyny is systematic and used to oppress women widely in different religions, societies, cultures and so on. such concept against men doesn't exist. there is prejudice against men, there is hatred against men and humiliation, but this isn't systematic, it's not carried by women or people in power against men, it does not take away opportunities from men systematically to be given to women, and it does not carry unprovoked gender violence from women to men because they are men. prejudice against men can be individual or collective as a reaction to what male power and patriarchy has done to women systematically, and what male individuals have done to women widely around the world. but this hatred and prejudice isn't systematic and it doesn't affect the collective of men in any social spectrum. so no, it's not my "weak" vocabulary. misandry just doesn't exist.

yeah, i agree. he's irrational for someone who claims to solve all his problems using logic and math. instead, he's immature and blinded by love. i thought he had an actual plan to expose everything, especially considering the level and status of the people he's fighting against, but instead he ended up exposing himself and is not careful at all not to get caught. i'm not hating him either and i actually love him despite all that, but he's just boo-boo the fool in love.

i was thinking this, especially because all the shaming goes to yoonsu and seungyoo will always be viewed as the victim who was seduced by his high school teacher. but also this thought crossed my mind: maybe yoonsu accepts yeonwoo's offer to teach in that school in jeju and they both move there with sian (in that high school)? she only has them and they both cherish her, so they are the only other link that keeps them together after overcoming the external factors against them. or maybe accepting that offer would be too risky since she would still have connections with her complicated past like that, so instead they both move to some isolated place and teach together in a simple school, and sian becoming a great mathematician as well. that would be a really nice ending.

thank you so much for this detailed answer! it actually gives me nice ideas and actually excites me to watch it. i'll try to make time for it. thanks a lot~~

imo reviews and comments are too extreme - i agree it isn't the best saeguk out there. it has several flaws in the writing and the plot sort of fell off after ep 10-12. if you came in looking for a politically-driven drama, this was definitely not it since the beginning. if you read the synopsis of this drama and expect strong politics, that's on you tbh because it screams romance-centered. "political" is not even a tag here, so judging it for having weak politics is out of place, since it wasn't even part of the main plot. the plot is clearly about how the female twin survives as the CP and develops feelings for her royal teacher, and that's pretty much what delivered. now, again, i agree it wasn't the best after the leads got together and the second half was underwhelming and draggy, but most of the reviews are focusing on things unrelated to this particular drama, and bringing up plots from other saeguks. the fact that it's a saeguk doesn't mean it needs go be politics-centered.
that said, it would've been better off if it had 16 eps as the regular format so that some of the writing mistakes wouldn't be so noticeable or bothersome. i feel like the writer forgot about certain characters throughout the drama and remembered them only by the end (tho they did have a purpose), which shows kind of lazy writing. it feels like the writer ran out of inspiration in the second act and didn't know what else to throw to the plot, but kind of recovered by eps 19-20 and produced a nice 3rd act (for me). these two were the best of the second half and gave a nice closure to the drama. overall, i did enjoy it but i'm also a rowoon stan, so i'm aware that my judgement isn't completely unbiased, lol. tho i wouldn't really recommend it to someone who isn't into saeguks, and maybe only if they like a lot of romance and rowoon, lol.

right, it's rated higher than hometown chachacha even tho that drama was critically acclaimed and loved by both local and international communities. also for me, my name and D.P. are one of the best dramas this year and they both have a lower rating. tragic

thanks for replying! the thing is i hate to drop dramas ;;; will think about it!

can someone give me 3 reasons to start this drama, as a non saeguk fan who is already watching 2 (the king's affection and the red sleeve) and will start yet another one bc of her fav (when flowers bloom)? i've seen mixed reviews.

misandry doesn't exist

this drama was really mediocre. a whole waste of cast and overall really bad writing. 9/10 is ridiculous

this is one of the worst dramas i watched this year icb people gave hyped it up this much. 9/10 is ridiculous

it's not that violent! i'd say there are scenes more on the gross side than violent, like bugs and stuff (for me those are worse than graphic violent content). the shows you mentioned that you're fine with had much more violent content than this one, and it was never as bad as moon lovers or river where the moon rises.

OH... my bad ;;; then glad we're on the same boat!

i don't think there's any single hint about that marriage certificate lol he doesn't have full support right now on his own, getting married won't help him. his focus right now is staying as the CP and become the king.

love urself

this is so true :/ tbh i still love the drama bc i'm a hard rowoon stan and i became attached to the characters. i really enjoyed eps 1-12 but ever since she became the king it's really true that her whole strong character was lost. they could just kill her grandpa and spread fear among his followers so everyone turns to the king's side, but ofc if that happened there wouldn't be drama right so we have to go through the pain.

younger than yoonsu?? omg that's unexpected

rightttt i think lee joonhyuk caught all of us. his chemistry with dami is no joke and seeing him as a SML would be absolutely atrocious.