Why is the execution so taken out of context and deliberately not even depicted truthfully. The man beat a person to death on a live camera and for a messed up reason, the law and people who are supposed to bring justice to people agreed on him receiving a sentence of 7 years! Death penalty is still carried out in some of the most advanced countries in the world. Does the judge, who carries out the order of death penalty, a murderer? Even if you add the danger of public opinion into deciding an execution, it still is a crime deserving the punishment from a fair and justifiable prespective. KYH ordered the execution and gave people the power of choice. A choice to agree or disagree with KYH's decision as a judge. Does that mean every person who agreed is a murderer? Or are they people making a choice to decide what justice means to them? In my opinion, people simply chose to agree upon the value of justice. A value that punishes people who deserve it. Maybe it's cruel from a prespective but it never can be considered a murder. Justice means different to different people and people in the story seems to have found a meaning. The story emphasised on the fact that the rules and benefits never were decided by common people by morality or immorality, so much as the stamp that was set upon by men of power. KYH took that from the powerful and corrupt (the prosecution) as he presented common people with a choice. Maybe public execution was immoral and unjustifiable but death penalty still is a probable justice to many people. It's not like KYH just ordered an execution on an innocent person and manipulated people into believing him. He exposed what the person was (a murderer, a terrorist and an overall evil person) and let people decide whether he deserves what KYH ordered.
P.S. MJH is another terrible supposed protector of law who was fine with the murderer getting a 7 year sentence but alianated the execution by categorising it as evil and a murder! He knows the crooked and evil since he has been in the system longer but is somehow only against KYH. KGO never seened to question him about his double standards.
i dont understand why people are hating on KGO. From the start he was shown to be confused whether KYH is doing…
The thing is that he's a main character who we are supposed to root for and see his development throughout the story but he's the same KGO we had in the first episode. He has no character development or even a solid plot value. He's just there. His only contribution to the plot was his love story with SH which was kind of forced. Remove him from the story and you'll still find KYH and the story moving forward. All those things makes him a boring and an unnecessary hurdle to KYH only.
So before people berate KYH for not being a moral angel who isn't obsessed with justice in a world where a murderer (who beat a man to death on live camera) getting 7 years sentence is agreed upon by the protectors of the law and people, lets analyse the all goody-good YSH and KGO. I just can't stress enough how much of a boring character YSH was but besides that, she wasn't even a proper police officer. The only thing she exceeded at is her obsession with KGO and she ignored everything else when it came to KGO. During the initial episodes, she takes a handicapped teenager out to question her about her uncle's supposed involvement in murder of her parents. Then when she sees KGO physically drenched in the blood of the minister of justice (which should be more than enough to arrest someone as a suspect), she lets him go because why not. She loves him and that's all she needs to let him loose despite being a police officer. Now imagine if KGO did kill someone and she happens to be the officer on site! Moving on, she is obsessed with catching KYH (because he happens to be the subject of attention for KGO which she can't allow) to the point where she literally priotises her obsession (which only is a theory and not a plausible investigation into a probable suspect) over thousands of people getting beaten and killed by the government in the name of a virus outbreak. She was a horrible police officer who didn't even care about justice or the law but only KGO. Her whole point of existence was to be there and save KGO and nothing more. So i don't understand people putting her on a pedestal of justice and law just because she got killed.
Coming to KGO. This character is the most hypocritical and idiotic one I've seen in a while. He has no value to the plot but that's besides the point. He has no internal compass but is influenced by others to decide what he should do even when it's the most foolish and unjustifiable thing. I don't understand his relationship with KYH and the effort of the plot to make it seem deep when it was nothing special except the supposed sexual tension. His lack of judgement and double standards are his definitive traits. He was willing to kill a person who conned his parents (they killed themselves) twice. He pretends to understand what KYH is (his past, trauma and motivations) but when someone (who clearly hates KYH) tell him to think otherwise, he does exactly so even when the explanation provided is a theory at best. Now someone would expect a judge to make a decision based on investigations and proofs but that's not what the almighty KGO does. He believes one thing at a certain point but completely overturns the next second and this happens quite a lot. He has no Internal set of values to decide or make judgement on his own despite being a grown man and a judge. His circumstances and the people around him decides for him. A person like that is more of a threat to moral and societal values than KYH could ever be. A person like him place themselves on the high ground when they mess up at the excuse of being influenced by people and situations. Even OJJ is a far better judge than him. She knew when to take action and when to draw the line without anyone having to tell her.
Moving on to KYH. He's someone who knows to be evil when his goals demands so but he is also someone you could differentiate from the antagonists. You can understand what he does without having to lessen the effect and consequences of his wrong choices (he knew they would kill if he pushed them enough). Now in country where the law, politicians, media and police are evil to the point where they can kill and beat thousands of people for the purpose of gains and profits, KYH is a necessary evil. I know the decisions he makes are wrong but i more than willing to bet on him than to let people like SA and the president to someone like KGO and YSH. They will be influenced or killed the minute you take away KYH from the equation. KYH's actions never has or will cause the pain, injustice, cruelity and demage comparable to SA, president and the others. If i am forced to make choice between the lesser evil (KYH) to get rid of the devil (SA and party), i more than willing to side with KYH (since KGO isn't a choice anymore). Atleast that's what i feel about KYH at this point of the show. It may change in the next 2 episodes (because I'm still open to the probability of him killing his brother).
"She is not my favorite character and I have to admit I struggled with her actions. But thinking about the impact…
KYH's and KGO relationship? I'm sorry but if you've watched ep 14 then KGO ruined the relationship even without a plausible proof or anything for that matter.
Morality? Seriously! Imagine having to weigh a fictional character's action (KYH) with accordance to morality of the moral police in reality! [What KYH is doing (public executions) is literally being carried out in several countries even in reality but that's beside the point.] The country's president and every important person in the government and law enforcement agencies are evil and corrupt according to the plot. Now i don't see a moral angel (like people seem to want KYH to be) do anything to these people with morality or blabbering about the right way. These people are powerful and they will use everything they can to crush someone opposing them. I completely understand why KYH's moral has to be compromised in order to do something to stop them. Now i don't support everything he has done (his actions may not be justified but they are necessary) but i can certainly understand why he has no other choice, to fight the freaking president of the country (along with pretty powerful people). Maybe my acceptance and understandings of him has to do with the fact that he's fictional (hence no accountability is required for my statement since it doesn't have an effect on reality) and i deem it necessary for him to get rid of the antagonists. Moral judgements without consideration to the world the show is set in or the characters involved is understandable but not a very good way appreciate fiction that shouldn't be burdened with the weight of morality. If someone can't differentiate between the 'evil' KYH is and the evil the antagonists are even from normal moral values, then either you haven't been paying attention or are simply looking at all this from a forced prespective of "black and white" only. This show was set to be in the grey (KYH) and black (SA, the president etc) areas mostly. Is KYH a good person? Maybe not (not many people from an abusive and traumatising past can be good and moral) but can he be understood and separated from the antagonists? Absolutely. P.S: GO is unbearably the most useless and idiotic ML i have come across in a while. I just can't comprehend someone like him becoming a judge in reality! He has the judgement of a rat and the mentality of a five years old. It's like he just can't think on his own or make a decision and stick with it. Ignoring that, he has no contribution whatsoever in the main plot of revenge against the evil. He's just there and take him away from the story, it wouldn't have much effect on the story of KYH taking revenge. He's expendable and i just don't want him not facing the consequences of his idiocy. I'm afraid KYH would become a shield for him (for the nonsensical reasons of resemblance to his older brother and GO cooking a few meals in his house) and he would have a free pass from facing consequences of his actions.
Our differences about the characters aside ,,, giving the public the power to execute a person no matter how evil…
Isn't right? What's that supposed to mean? You're weighing KYH's actions in the light and understandings of right and wrong with the standards of a person who lives in today's world where not every freaking person in the government and law enforcement are corrupt and evil to the bone, which is the case from plot's point of view. You can't just pull the "this isn't the right way" in a world where a judge is fighting against the evil (the whole country) alone.
There's a proverb that the fruitful tree is the one that is stoned much....Same way a non backer with the most…
That seemed to be the case with "Ace troops". Those assholes just used him just because their actors and storytelling methods couldn't achieve what SX could. I literally screamed at my computer screen. The people around him are just as useless and messed up as the people opposing him. When i saw his "controversy" segment on wikipedia, i thought "what did he do wrong?" But when i read some of the information, none of it really made sense for people to stretch it to that scale. It was just nonsense backed up by useless people who wanted to feel important. I just was shocked by the fact that someone popular like him would have to bear such nonsensical and idiotic stuff from people who literally has the brain of a 3 years old. I miss the time when people tried to make an argument without sounding like a useless and biased asshole and i especially miss when people had a sense of accountability to have an opinion after things are searched for and proved clearly. It just seems like nowadays a single person with no proof or explanation can ruin someone's life by just appearing before people. People just want to feel important and what better way to do that than to "support" a supposed victim or be a victim, even when there's no proof or coherent explanation of the truth. This "opresser" and "opressed" only mentality about people is dangerous if not utterly stupid. SX has it all according to them so therefore can't be a victim but only an oppressor. People having victim mentality just wants to appease their feelings of being oppressed so they can have an explanation of being utterly useless. BTW why doesn't he join a better entertainment company?
Being too beautiful is a big problem.. Even men are jealous over HIS Popularity and fan base.
Thats the thing, you see i have seen beautiful people getting so much more than him, be it opportunities, love and everything they deserved. I'm not even his fan. I haven't even watched "the untamed" (which is his most famous work) but i liked Doulou continent (i am a fan of the novel). I liked his portrayal of the character so i looked him up at google. Boy the controversies i read about him were so stupid and none of them were his fault. The way i see it, he isn't only mistreated for being better than others but also for having terrible people around him.
I just don't understand. Why is it only him being targeted after every scandal even when the scandal isn't related to him at all? I am still fuming at him being mistreated and used by the producers of "Ace Troops". Leave the guy alone for f*ck sake!
The producers and everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves. Using SX's fame to promote another actor's lead drama just because your story and cast couldn't, is just f*cked up if not a crime.
Am i the only one who thinks KYH is heavily inspired by Bruce Wayne/Batman? He has the trauma (not cured), the motivation bred as a result of injustice and cruelity, doesn't trust people, his sense of duty always overpowers his sense of literally every other important aspects of life and is practically fighting a country's whole system to make a point of truth. He's the most interesting and well written character in the drama at this point. The writer kind of poured everything he had on the main character which makes the other characters frustrating and unnecessary.
some people said that not everything has to be bl, that it's just a bromance, etc. etc. but the thing is, not…
The thing is the theme of the drama doesn't require romance and, in my opinion, would ruin it. On the other, a platonic relationship between the MLs sounds far more interesting than a romantic one. There's this bond between them that's far more special and realistic.
I know that it seems unrealistic but i still hope for Sun ah to have a good ending and redeem herself
She just killed a person for the twisted purpose of making him feel lonely just because she wants him by her side! I know the concept of redemption is interesting and hopeful but there's no redemption from something like that. Some deeds deserve no forgiveness or a chance of redemption but only punishment and hopelessness.
The titular show about "dangerous housewives" waded into cliche territory with the bored Gangnam housewife trope.…
No it's not a transaction but it is a matter of what one desreves after betraying everything a relationship is supposed to represent. Forgiveness after betrayal is supposed to be about having to trust in that person again and learning to trust someone all over again requires an effort from both individuals involved. I saw that effort on his part but none from her. She just apologised and the husband, after acting like an idiot for sometime, forgave her which absolutely didn't change anything about their development, learning or repentance as characters. The wife seemed to be awarded for betraying her husband and the husband had to figure out what he did wrong. Then when it seemed like he learned to be a person who knew better and would start all new, the writers fucking pulled the all happy nonsensical ending for no reason that demaged the coherent storytelling and character development. It was far more realistic to let him move on with the neighbour than to try it again with the FL even when she never put an effort to fix anything.
"Fortunately, that's for the husband to decide, nobody else." You do realise that we are watching a show that's supposed to be about consistent characterization of characters, right? The decisions of the husband is supposed to make sense to me as a viewer. I completely understand his own agency as a character but his decisions are supposed to be in line with common understandings. Unfortunately, his unwavering love and commitment for the not so lovely and bad at commitment wife was nonsensical if not stupid. The show seemed like a wish fulfilment for women at the end. Everything about her cheating fell one the husband to fix and to make it worse they just decided with him running after her when she literally put zero efforts to fix what she broke.
The titular show about "dangerous housewives" waded into cliche territory with the bored Gangnam housewife trope.…
Those were the results of society's condemnation of cheating and had nothing to do with the husband's journey of forgiveness or even an effort of it. She didn't desreve that ending because she never tried to earn it except ofcourse just expressing it verbally.
There are two motivations behind a writer's writing. 1) Writing about what is morally and generally acceptable. Things that inspire people. 2) Writing about reality and not giving a f*ck about morality. Things that shows people what actually exist in reality. The writer here decided to to go with option number 2 and there's nothing wrong with it. She is going with portraying reality through her characters even if it's morally and generally unacceptable. If you think that a relationship like that doesn't exist, then you're either deluding yourself or simply are refusing that reality is messed up. I have seen dozens of shows (K and C) where the writing is all about perfection of the main leads at the end mostly at the expense of reality. I enjoy that because they is inspire people to what's more normal and healthy. That being said, writing with motivation number 2 is equally important and interesting. You can deduce what's acceptable for you without being general morality shoved down your throat. What people forget is that morality is relativistic for people. It important to showcase how diverse and different relationships and people can be as it's important to show what's healthy (like every other show portrays). This isn't a school or educational service where a writer's imagination should be limited for the purpose of teaching morality and fairytales. I can understand if someone hates the show (because it's slow, not really an interesting plot, is morally challenged etc) but what i don't understand is the condemnation of the writer for writing the show about reality and diversity. Reality is messed up (as shown in the show) and it would be hypocritical to demand the depiction of what you would like it to be. The writer has no obligation to teach people about morality at the expense of reality. Healthy relationship do exist and we have seen dozens of shows which showcase that but relationship like this exists too.
I hope so too and maybe we will have a 180° turn of opinions about KYH but it still doesn't make KGO a good or even a worthy character.
Even if you add the danger of public opinion into deciding an execution, it still is a crime deserving the punishment from a fair and justifiable prespective. KYH ordered the execution and gave people the power of choice. A choice to agree or disagree with KYH's decision as a judge. Does that mean every person who agreed is a murderer? Or are they people making a choice to decide what justice means to them?
In my opinion, people simply chose to agree upon the value of justice. A value that punishes people who deserve it. Maybe it's cruel from a prespective but it never can be considered a murder. Justice means different to different people and people in the story seems to have found a meaning. The story emphasised on the fact that the rules and benefits never were decided by common people by morality or immorality, so much as the stamp that was set upon by men of power. KYH took that from the powerful and corrupt (the prosecution) as he presented common people with a choice. Maybe public execution was immoral and unjustifiable but death penalty still is a probable justice to many people. It's not like KYH just ordered an execution on an innocent person and manipulated people into believing him. He exposed what the person was (a murderer, a terrorist and an overall evil person) and let people decide whether he deserves what KYH ordered.
P.S. MJH is another terrible supposed protector of law who was fine with the murderer getting a 7 year sentence but alianated the execution by categorising it as evil and a murder! He knows the crooked and evil since he has been in the system longer but is somehow only against KYH. KGO never seened to question him about his double standards.
I just can't stress enough how much of a boring character YSH was but besides that, she wasn't even a proper police officer. The only thing she exceeded at is her obsession with KGO and she ignored everything else when it came to KGO. During the initial episodes, she takes a handicapped teenager out to question her about her uncle's supposed involvement in murder of her parents. Then when she sees KGO physically drenched in the blood of the minister of justice (which should be more than enough to arrest someone as a suspect), she lets him go because why not. She loves him and that's all she needs to let him loose despite being a police officer. Now imagine if KGO did kill someone and she happens to be the officer on site! Moving on, she is obsessed with catching KYH (because he happens to be the subject of attention for KGO which she can't allow) to the point where she literally priotises her obsession (which only is a theory and not a plausible investigation into a probable suspect) over thousands of people getting beaten and killed by the government in the name of a virus outbreak. She was a horrible police officer who didn't even care about justice or the law but only KGO. Her whole point of existence was to be there and save KGO and nothing more. So i don't understand people putting her on a pedestal of justice and law just because she got killed.
Coming to KGO. This character is the most hypocritical and idiotic one I've seen in a while. He has no value to the plot but that's besides the point. He has no internal compass but is influenced by others to decide what he should do even when it's the most foolish and unjustifiable thing. I don't understand his relationship with KYH and the effort of the plot to make it seem deep when it was nothing special except the supposed sexual tension. His lack of judgement and double standards are his definitive traits. He was willing to kill a person who conned his parents (they killed themselves) twice. He pretends to understand what KYH is (his past, trauma and motivations) but when someone (who clearly hates KYH) tell him to think otherwise, he does exactly so even when the explanation provided is a theory at best. Now someone would expect a judge to make a decision based on investigations and proofs but that's not what the almighty KGO does. He believes one thing at a certain point but completely overturns the next second and this happens quite a lot. He has no Internal set of values to decide or make judgement on his own despite being a grown man and a judge. His circumstances and the people around him decides for him. A person like that is more of a threat to moral and societal values than KYH could ever be. A person like him place themselves on the high ground when they mess up at the excuse of being influenced by people and situations. Even OJJ is a far better judge than him. She knew when to take action and when to draw the line without anyone having to tell her.
Moving on to KYH. He's someone who knows to be evil when his goals demands so but he is also someone you could differentiate from the antagonists. You can understand what he does without having to lessen the effect and consequences of his wrong choices (he knew they would kill if he pushed them enough). Now in country where the law, politicians, media and police are evil to the point where they can kill and beat thousands of people for the purpose of gains and profits, KYH is a necessary evil. I know the decisions he makes are wrong but i more than willing to bet on him than to let people like SA and the president to someone like KGO and YSH. They will be influenced or killed the minute you take away KYH from the equation. KYH's actions never has or will cause the pain, injustice, cruelity and demage comparable to SA, president and the others. If i am forced to make choice between the lesser evil (KYH) to get rid of the devil (SA and party), i more than willing to side with KYH (since KGO isn't a choice anymore). Atleast that's what i feel about KYH at this point of the show. It may change in the next 2 episodes (because I'm still open to the probability of him killing his brother).
Imagine having to weigh a fictional character's action (KYH) with accordance to morality of the moral police in reality! [What KYH is doing (public executions) is literally being carried out in several countries even in reality but that's beside the point.] The country's president and every important person in the government and law enforcement agencies are evil and corrupt according to the plot. Now i don't see a moral angel (like people seem to want KYH to be) do anything to these people with morality or blabbering about the right way. These people are powerful and they will use everything they can to crush someone opposing them. I completely understand why KYH's moral has to be compromised in order to do something to stop them. Now i don't support everything he has done (his actions may not be justified but they are necessary) but i can certainly understand why he has no other choice, to fight the freaking president of the country (along with pretty powerful people). Maybe my acceptance and understandings of him has to do with the fact that he's fictional (hence no accountability is required for my statement since it doesn't have an effect on reality) and i deem it necessary for him to get rid of the antagonists.
Moral judgements without consideration to the world the show is set in or the characters involved is understandable but not a very good way appreciate fiction that shouldn't be burdened with the weight of morality. If someone can't differentiate between the 'evil' KYH is and the evil the antagonists are even from normal moral values, then either you haven't been paying attention or are simply looking at all this from a forced prespective of "black and white" only. This show was set to be in the grey (KYH) and black (SA, the president etc) areas mostly.
Is KYH a good person? Maybe not (not many people from an abusive and traumatising past can be good and moral) but can he be understood and separated from the antagonists? Absolutely.
P.S: GO is unbearably the most useless and idiotic ML i have come across in a while. I just can't comprehend someone like him becoming a judge in reality! He has the judgement of a rat and the mentality of a five years old. It's like he just can't think on his own or make a decision and stick with it. Ignoring that, he has no contribution whatsoever in the main plot of revenge against the evil. He's just there and take him away from the story, it wouldn't have much effect on the story of KYH taking revenge. He's expendable and i just don't want him not facing the consequences of his idiocy. I'm afraid KYH would become a shield for him (for the nonsensical reasons of resemblance to his older brother and GO cooking a few meals in his house) and he would have a free pass from facing consequences of his actions.
You're weighing KYH's actions in the light and understandings of right and wrong with the standards of a person who lives in today's world where not every freaking person in the government and law enforcement are corrupt and evil to the bone, which is the case from plot's point of view. You can't just pull the "this isn't the right way" in a world where a judge is fighting against the evil (the whole country) alone.
BTW why doesn't he join a better entertainment company?
He has the trauma (not cured), the motivation bred as a result of injustice and cruelity, doesn't trust people, his sense of duty always overpowers his sense of literally every other important aspects of life and is practically fighting a country's whole system to make a point of truth.
He's the most interesting and well written character in the drama at this point. The writer kind of poured everything he had on the main character which makes the other characters frustrating and unnecessary.
Romance is overrated.
"Fortunately, that's for the husband to decide, nobody else." You do realise that we are watching a show that's supposed to be about consistent characterization of characters, right? The decisions of the husband is supposed to make sense to me as a viewer. I completely understand his own agency as a character but his decisions are supposed to be in line with common understandings. Unfortunately, his unwavering love and commitment for the not so lovely and bad at commitment wife was nonsensical if not stupid.
The show seemed like a wish fulfilment for women at the end. Everything about her cheating fell one the husband to fix and to make it worse they just decided with him running after her when she literally put zero efforts to fix what she broke.
1) Writing about what is morally and generally acceptable. Things that inspire people.
2) Writing about reality and not giving a f*ck about morality. Things that shows people what actually exist in reality.
The writer here decided to to go with option number 2 and there's nothing wrong with it. She is going with portraying reality through her characters even if it's morally and generally unacceptable. If you think that a relationship like that doesn't exist, then you're either deluding yourself or simply are refusing that reality is messed up.
I have seen dozens of shows (K and C) where the writing is all about perfection of the main leads at the end mostly at the expense of reality. I enjoy that because they is inspire people to what's more normal and healthy. That being said, writing with motivation number 2 is equally important and interesting. You can deduce what's acceptable for you without being general morality shoved down your throat. What people forget is that morality is relativistic for people. It important to showcase how diverse and different relationships and people can be as it's important to show what's healthy (like every other show portrays). This isn't a school or educational service where a writer's imagination should be limited for the purpose of teaching morality and fairytales. I can understand if someone hates the show (because it's slow, not really an interesting plot, is morally challenged etc) but what i don't understand is the condemnation of the writer for writing the show about reality and diversity. Reality is messed up (as shown in the show) and it would be hypocritical to demand the depiction of what you would like it to be. The writer has no obligation to teach people about morality at the expense of reality. Healthy relationship do exist and we have seen dozens of shows which showcase that but relationship like this exists too.