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DM always was the way she was; both at the beginning and at the end. She was set to be unable to succeed, not because she was a woman but because she was incapable (atleast incapable to survive in that competitive world on her own). They didn't take away anything from her character but also didn't develop it properly to make the character learn things and be independent.
Now remarking that as lazy and sexist is a stretch of logic and gender politics.
Women like that exist (men too) and it's not sexist or lazy to portray reality and existence of a person who's dependent and less capable compared to her romantic interests. Isn't that what cinema should aim for; reality.

DS would have been a great character had it not be the inclusion illogical love triangle in the story.

If perfection is a concept unachievable, then why is it that your original comment forces the idea of it onto men to be exactly that, nothing less? You didn't mention the struggle or the will of person to be less imperfect (which is the essence of what betterment aims at) but just stated the idea of imperfection as something toxic and patriarchal in men.

So if the concept of perfection is relative then why would you evaluate men in DM's life based on your idea of it? Ever thought of DM having her own agency as a character which includes her own ideas about a potential relationship and partner? All I see in your comment is a whole lot of projection and assumptions based on YOUR ideas not DM's even when you're of the opinion that different things means different to people.
No, I never said DM should seek equally flawed and demaged men. My point in stating her flaws and imperfections was to aim at the fact that she knows that imperfections are human and not things only present in the opposite gender (which your original comment was implying).

"When we as people are weak, we subconsciously seek people who allow us to eventually grow and develop out of our weaknesses, rather than hide our weaknesses." That's just your opinion based on nothing except your idea of what people are. Human beings are diverse and not everyone seek a relationship for getting rid of weakness. In fact psychological studies shows that demaged people seek demaged people to be in a relationship with and it has proven effective in getting the people involved to a have a better future.
Why is it the you educate for individuality and independence for women in the same comment as you mention to depend on men for developing towards perfection? It's incoherent logic.
You as a person are more responsible for your development than your partner is for your development. To state that it's men's fault when grown women fails at the most basic requirement of betterment is messed up. For men to hide (or more accurately, not point out) women's flaws does breed dependency (which in no way in man's fault but the woman) but so does the demand of getting better through a relationship with a man when a woman doesn't even have the character or the will to work for herself.
I don't know anything about the Melinda situation and I find it bizarre that you assumed I would.

I do agree on the fact that DM was dependent, incapable and overall not a strong character and to state that those qualities are a disservice to women as a gender is also true but it isn't UNREALISTIC or something nonexistent whatsoever. Women like her do exist and the refusal to portray or bear those characters on screen is hypocritical and simply not the depiction of reality. I did hope that the writer portrayed her to be someone more capable and independent but the writer went with another approach which is equally realistic and important to talk about as strong and independent female characters.

I'm a medical student and half of my class strength is composed of females. I have never seen anyone (male/female) being discriminated because of gender. I don't know about the tech industry but if it is as you say them there's only one thing I can say; they are discriminative and misogynistic people who should be held accountable.


"Woman are just as capable as men when it comes to business decisions, technical know how, and ambition." You do know the fact that men as general are more ambitious and motivated when it comes to career, right? Frankly there's nothing wrong with that. Fewer women (compared to men) are willing to sacrifice time, effort and comfort when it comes to making a successful career (I'm talking about the extremes here; the top 5 percent since we don't have a general study relative to the topic).

Why is no one talking about Bit Na?
I see everyone bashing JE (for obvious reasons) but not Bit Na when she literally is JE in a woman's body.

Perfect men?
If you're living in the real world, you'd know that no "perfect" man or woman exists. We are human beings born with innate qualities of weakness, imperfections and struggles.
Blaming men to be not perfect when criticising the basic quality of perfection (understanding others or atleast the will to try) in women is hypocritical and far less than perfect.

Dalmi was the epitome of imperfections through out. She had struggles, flaws, misjudgements and whole lot of emotional baggage and expectations. While you're compelled to list the male's "imperfections", why is it that you fail to see what Dalmi really is?

Dalmi is an individual having a set of values and i don't see anything wrong with her not playing group politics based on gender. She understands the essnce of how imperfect people can be because she knows she herself is far from it.
You coating every imperfection an opposite gender may have as "sexism" or "toxic patriarchy" is not what a person aiming for perfection should say. Being perfect also encapsulates the effort to understand and not judge based on nothing but illogical gender politics.

Dalmi herself benefitted from the so called patriarchy by having two qualified and able men have her back. She wasn't in any way qualified to be where the other having capabilities (DS, HJP, Injae) were. The only possible scenario i can possibly conjure where Dalmi actually lands a successful career without the MLs there for her is if you change her whole characterization to the effect of that comparable to the qualified HJP or DS.

Well sex isn't (maybe shouldn't) the only criteria a relationship should be based on. Sure it matters (alot) but PJE is anything but someone a person, with self esteem or differing values, should seek a relationship (relationship that YNB wants) with. We haven't seen anything, other than his playboy demeanor, regarding his character. He's just there with no motion or conflict in his character which is another reason he comes off as an "evil" person with no accountability or understandings. I think i prefer the 2nd ML (who's also kind of cliche and boring) just because of the fact that he can provide what the FL is searching for in PJE without all the emotionally and psychological burdens. PJE maybe good at sex and verbal exchanges but not so in "everything else" which matters for a relationship to stand on its own.

Why is everyone so against character development and complexity?
I don't want the leads to end up together but having character development and multiple layered characters is always good writing. The main characters are starting to fall flat and boring because they are so one dimensional and simple. A good plot pushes the viewers to be morally conflicted or atleast persuades to view things from a different prespective. I would very much like to see things from PJE prespective and see his development along YNB. Having the same constant characters with so simple of characterization and non existent plot is becoming a burden to watch and focus.
The webtoon PJE wasn't a character having any significant effect on the story but was a plot device always set to be used for the FL's development. Now i atleast think that it's boring and bad writing to have a main character having nothing but the title of a fu*kboy. We can have shades in his character, including his tendencies to be what he is now. We can have him learn things along the way, whether bad or good, as long as there's some motion in his character.
I don't know why everyone just wants to see him as simple as the drama is showing him be. We can YNB have her own development and ending but we also can have fully flushed character in the form of the ML. I don't necessarily want YNB to be a driving force in his change (i absolutely don't want them together) but his character can drive itself through conflict and understandings of a new prespective. Human beings learn and move on (and I'm not necessarily saying he should learn all good things).
I would prefer a layered and complex character over a one dimensional and simple character; just there to be blamed and hated. Those are easy to do but i want to be conflicted or atleast understanding (not justifying) of the why and how of his character.

I liked the first 5-6 episodes but then it seemed like plot armor mixed with wish fulfilment disguised as a "strong female character". I didn't have a problem with her kicking the ML's ass and using him but how we are led to assume that she isn't someone horrible who would do anything to achieve and gain something, that's where my problem starts. I actually liked the ruthless and horrible her since it was different and something that most likely is to exist (plus i was tired of the all the other goody-good FLs in other shows) but the writer decided to sugar coat that by just telling us so.
Her actions have no CONSEQUENCES for the most part of the drama. She would have been disbarred a 100 times for doing half of what she did, realistically but that's not the only thing she gets away with without suffering consequences of her actions. She pretty much disregard everyone around her especially the ML but her actions doesn't affect the ML magical love towards her or even a conscious decision to prioritise when he's supposed to be someone exactly that. He changes only infront of the FL and is hell bent on rescuing her when she doesn't even deserve it which contradicts his characterization and realistic approach to humanly reactions.

She cheats, decieve, hurt, manipulate, and pushes people to the end, both innocent and guilty ones as long as she can gain something out of it. While I'm fine with that, the thing that lowers the quality of the show is the plot's inability to remain realistic and demand consequences. The writing tries to justify the immense plot armor by presenting her as someone "strong and unique".
I know we are addicted to action in a society of indecisiveness and lack of consequences but our addiction should have the sense of chaos and order in place. She's chaotic and someone that should've suffered consequences but is presented as someone fueled by revenge and is justified by nothing more than a love line and her past.

I'm just sorry that you had to see illogical and pretty naive criticism of your review by people having superiority complex and poor sense of judgement.

As a matter of fact, it would but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing i need to understanding not.......weirdly.

It's night here actually but okay.

If that's all you found wrong with my comment on the fiasco of "label"ling people with nothing more than an opinion based on overly simplified presumptions, then I'm actually glad.

Exactly, LOL.

Imagine having the need to call someone misogynist and naive, for not liking a fictional plot about fictional characters, based on nothing except the mediocrity of having the need to labell people's opinions opposing yours. WTF!
Edit: it's spelled "L.A.B.E.L" not "L.A.B.E.L.L" everyone. Take notes.

That would be unnecessary and will not accomplish anything plot or character wise.

What?
While i do understand favoritism but to deem someone's decision, to cast an actor for a role (a role created by them), bad based on assumptions of your favourite isn't something argumentative or a narrative based on logical reasoning.

Am i the only one that thinks that PJE isn't as evil as people deem him be. He's someone attractive that happens to have commitment issues and is aware of his physicality allowing him to take advantage of people who falls for it. He never hides what he truly is (not to the extent of people labelling him for it). I don't for a second think that YNB was manipulated and never knew what he truly is. She knew but she still went for it for reasons of lust, desire, satisfaction and the thrill of having someone to work on. So while i acknowledge that he's someone taking advantage of his physical feature to bend people to his will, the narrative that he is someone evil who wills manipulation and betrayal onto his targets is pretty much not what his character really is. He lets people see what he is but still is somehow able to (thanks to his physical features and conversational skills) attract the attention and effort of people around him. That's what's so interesting about the characters here. He isn't your typical jerk who hides behind a constructed personality to attract and decieve people for achievements and gains (that would be boring as hell).

People know and see the real him but are still tempted to give in to the illusion that he hasn't even created but is created by people (like the FL) themselves. I mean that's what really is interesting in this drama; people's ability to create something fundamentally flawed for purposes of false emotions. Something that they themselves are responsible and will have to take accountability for.

"Men" really? That's an odd generalisation based on a fictional character.

While i appreciate the hell out of the writing and characters in this drama, it's pretty naive and presumptuous to call it something most or every girl or boy would do.
It's realistic in a sense that people like the FL and ML exists. It's the portrayal of characters which most likely have and will make questionable and regretful choices. Now acknowledging that the characters are realistic, it's important to acknowledge their poor sense of judgement, a mistaken narrative, poor decision skills and overall lack of knowledge or simply negligence of it for the purpose of temporary satisfaction. People with better understandings and skills (than our MCs) exists too who'll never compromise on their values as individuals.
So, to call this depiction of characters "realistic" is completely fine but to acknowledge it as something "every person would do" isn't.

It's one thing to not like the ML but it's completely another to want Dam to be with the SML.
He's the freaking epitome of someone Dam should stay away from. It's doesn't matter that the string lets them meet at random but what matters is how he proceeds to do with the encounter and so far he's the same 'forceful simp' he was at the beginning.
The difference between ML and SML (however toxic and disappointing you view them) is Dam choses to be with the ML and not the SML. Dam knows and wants to be with the ML (even after the the necessary break up) even if he is the way he is (i actually like him but some don't) and on the other hand, she's clearly frustrated by the SML. He is still pushing with what he deems is worthy of her and is still hell bent on the narrative that he is better for her. He has this sense of falsely being a 'truth and actualization advocate' but the problem is it is HIS truth and not Dam's. You know what that leads to? Toxicity, unbalance between two narratives and a false sense of self satisfaction.
No matter how much disappointing the ML is, it is still Dam's choice to be with him and put up with the problems he has. It's not some guy (SML) forcefully inducing his feelings into situations brought up by a freaking string that has no agency of individuality or free will (something we should all be allowed to possess and exercise). I would side with her relationship with the ML (based on free will and genuine feelings) against the SML (who's someone wanting to built something HE wants with her) any day on the week.

I haven't seen any reaction from KDG that would make me believe he felt attraction towards Ha Na. More accurately, i don't know why or how he will feel anything towards her. If the show is hell bent on including romance in it then KDG and Go Eun make much more sense than KDG and Ha Na.