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Yea, but this is the responsibility of the person who is in a committed relationship….. not other people… and equally not painting other people as villains….

IF there were lies and dishonesty which lead to an affair…. then yes, I think it’s wrong. To start an affair and maintain one…. Is wrong…

But wot YiTing has done can only be labelled as unscrupulous and temptation. Which in all fairness…. Exist in all parts of the world all the time.

Someone who is in a committed relationship IS single by legal definitions because he/she isn’t married and that’s the difference between ‘that piece of paper’ which everyone talks about. Cheating is wrong… but it only applies to the person who is in a committed relationship… for the other party regardless of male or female is just pure dumb.

Open marriage….. yea, interesting concept.. I only half understand it. Lol, seriously yea, I never realised one could explicitly learn so much from dramas until these past couple of years,

Hurm wait. No. This I think has changed quite a bit wrt to progression and evolution. So I actually know of a lot of females who are very successful or come from wealthy families that married guys who have a huge gap. I’m dead serious. I personally know of 2 stay-at-home dads. And 1 dude who married up and the kids have their mother’s last name, which I thought was quite bizarre initially. So I kind of also only half agree on the patriarchal society thing… it still is but yet it truly is no longer the same. And it is currently at a transition phase globally (even with the company I work for) which will take a few decades.

Yes, bingo. You’ve pointed out a key point, but it’s like wot I said… the person’s confidence, assertiveness and optimism will really get constantly tested over a couple of yrs…. And not many people are able to withstand it honestly… coz to begin with both of you need to be really compatible, and there needs to be trust… these things will never happen overnight. Both the FL and ML will need to be comfortable being apart..

Ok, got it, I won’t. Don’t think I’d ever be able to overcome the trauma. LOL! Sorry but Thai culture is just too over the moon for me. I always only thought Japan has a very peculiar culture…. But I realised Thailand has it as well, but it is well masked behind the hospitality and relaxed environment. I still love the tourist aspects of both countries though. And the rich culture… always at awe.

I feel woteva YiTing did is….. no problem… is it glorious….? Nope… is it scrupulous……? Nope…. But why is she in the wrong…..? He is technically single… by legal standards. No kids. Out in the open. She is totally taking the piss for sure. But wot does Su Mo expect… the man she chose from day 1 is Mr.I-Have-It-All…. It’s not like he became successful overnight after they got tog…

In his entire life, or maybe the next 20 yrs… there will be dozens of LiTings… esp when he becomes more and more successful.

‘ And he was a blockhead enough to actually let this happen.’ —> THIS is actually where the real issue lies…. The real decision making factor on whether a girl is able to trust the dude.

😏😏😏 that would be sucha wicked moveeeee. Seriously I hope they don’t do the reconciliation simply… and ridiculously… I’m so amazed that they have sucha realistic modern romance plot… that I really hope they’d show how relationship issues are realistically solved or how it will cause a person to evolve/mature….

I will be so mad if it is a cliched and half-arsed reconciliation….

Lol, but I’m a girl though. 🤣🙊 I’m female. Not lying nor kidding.

But why….? Both of them are not married. And chasing after a guy or girl that you fancy is not wrong… and I respect that she is doing it openly and has kind of came clean to the gf. Coz honestly if you think about it logically… Any good-catch/worthy male or female will always have lotsa people chasing after them, even after they are married… the real deal isn’t wot other people are doing, or even if they used unscrupulous means…. The core issue is how your bf/gf/husband/wife reacts and handles different “YiTings” in life..,

Yeap… lol.

I wouldn’t say she is ‘willing to adapt’, I think she is open to considering (which is a wise decision)….. I have to admit that for a 27 yr old, she is definitely very aware…. She is observant and conscious of things, perceptive to her friend’s advice…. So so important. I think although he is older, he isn’t as aware of many things… and is less….. open. So his awareness is at a fail-level. lol, he gets an ‘F’ score for that from me.

I actually thought it was half funny and half realistic when he said that about the whole scandal with YiTing…. I would have scoffed if I was Su Mo. I can understand his perspective… after all Su Mo as much as is his serious gf… in reality he has known YiTing nearly all his life… even feelings wise it’s like comparing your new gf to half-a-family member…. Not to mention all the interest tied up on the side.

Ah so I learnt the proper terminology to that recently…. “Marriage of convenience”…. 🤣 sounds totally like bad news…

Honestly I never knew prior that there are “fake” couples…. Lol, coz I never quite understood the rationale to be fake in that sense… if you think about it, it’s kinda dumb. But I’ve learnt…. LOTSA people actually build relationships based on just companionship………….. like wot the hell………. Why……. Not only that…. I realised everyone uses the word “love” so…… loosely and casually. How is companionship = love…… that is so ridiculous, it’s part of it, sure but it totally doesn’t equate it… and this whole fake couples thing defo surprised me seriously…. I think it especially applies to people who are obsessed with social media. 🤣

‘ Stay single or get someone only if you want it, not coz others are doing it as well or 'who will take care of me in old age'.’ —> well said. Totally my thoughts too.

Hurm… I think communication isn’t the only issue here. Maybe because I’ve met couples in real life with a big social gap and it’s actually more of wot Su Mo has done…. So for a viable long term solution…. The only real feasible one is the female (for males it’s a totally different ball game) has to be able to hold her own…. She will have to narrow the gap regardless of how much they communicate. And this is when a person’s confidence, security and optimism is reaaaaalllyyyy tested. I’m not even kidding. Coz if you think about it from the practical standpoint, how often can you really communicate about things like that, eventually it will tire out both the people. Communication is necessary but it can’t be always about having ‘the talk’… she has to do it subtly and indirectly like ‘hey I can only play golf once a week’ at the start… and she can join more often on her own after she is good at it… instead of him having to always measure and pre-empt wot she is uncomfortable with….. which is basically also wot she insinuated in his office “yes, I acknowledge your efforts, hence why I know you are tired, I’m also tired…”

LOL wot you’ve described just sounds messed up…. Sorry to say. 🤣Ok, I don’t think I’d ever watch another Thai drama in my life. The craziest thing I’ve watched which was trashy…. Namely a “makjang” is probably Love ft. Marriage and Divorce.

I think…… censorship is crucial for a country like Mainland but there is always room for criticism and fine-tuning when it comes to details on implementation.

Yeap, can’t deny that things do accumulate over time…. Yea, for me actually embarrassment is secondary (not to mention that I will be pissed) but it’s more of…. Wot is the main purpose of us and wot on Earth are we doing….? I’m not big on the whole physical companion thing… don’t get me wrong, it’s important but for me it’s not so much about having someone to dine with, someone to watch a movie with, someone to just be good to me/my parents…. It’s needs to be more than that otherwise I honestly can’t be arsed. 🙊 coz all of those things can easily be replaceable/ disappear. A real relationship isn’t only about spending time tog/living tog…. That actually is so fragile… not to mention liking someone based on those things will not develop into love. Also you used the term “left out”… I actually think over long periods of time a person could feel more lonely in a relationship/marriage vs being single if this continues…. No idea if you get wot I mean…. As time goes by there is no guarantee that a person would still be that attentive + romantic…. And without a genuine bond, I really believe that one could feel even more lonely although he/she is in a relationship.

haha, but you know things like communication, trust, understanding, respect etc are deep issues… which causes most breakups and divorces. Ah also something which I think Su Mo has been pining for…. Compatibility… I’m a strong advocate of that too. I think without compatibility things just build up over time and eventually the union will end (basically Mo Wei Qing’s relationship regardless of the 3rd party thing). So FL has told him twice that they are unsuitable/ incompatible… I think she has been kinda rash here, don’t think she understands herself nor the dude well enough to gauge their compatibility…

Seriously I was traumatised by that one Thai drama I watched and it was a BL, was just so bad, weird and messed up…. And I recalled my Thai friends from university mentioning, “but Thai people are crazy in general… to us a lot of things are normal… but to foreigners probably not. Maybe that’s why so many foreigners settle down in Thailand because the culture is so open….” seriously and I only know of Thai females… they are crazy. Lol. But at that time yea, I mean they were obviously very fun to be around and hangout with. See, this is where censorship and quality control would be useful. 🤣 totally wrong messages to be sending out to the world.

That is SO TRUE, no way would it pass censorship esp with all the social issues they are facing with low childbirth, aging population etc. haha, yea, S.Korean dramas have been showing that, and it’s so liberating. I think about it a lot more because I realised it has become so much more common now…. Because dating has become so convenient (just like most things in the world) and also because I get to see it with colleagues and friends…

Ah yes, so the bigger problem here (which I think is a common problem in relationships) is….. *drumroll…. ‘Keeping someone in the dark’…. Lol. And I have to own up. My own character is sort of like that…. ESPECIALLY if the other person has a short fuse. I will only actively communicate if I trust the other person and if I find the other person being similar to myself in terms of thinking and personality. But I probably would have also broken up if know about the whole non-marriage thing from other people…. I think marriage or non-marriage becomes secondary, the more important thing is…. It’s not only minor things like travelling, concert recital that I have no idea about, I don’t even have any idea about your life plans when everyone else knows… then actually why on Earth are we even going out…..? 🤣

I think the 3 of them are so funny together. The new addition of the cousin is also not bad. Do you remember Wang JuAn hit the youngest brother with the baguette…. I thought that was soooooo funny…. But honestly watching them, I realised men in general are really different to females. Regardless of age or race.

LOL, but my Thai friends told me…. That is how the Thailand culture is. They are seriously kinda crazy… and promiscuity is kinda their nature for both men and women. I was ‘traumatised’ after watching 1 Thai drama…. And from then on I never watched any Thai dramas. I’m sorry but I just find them so bad…. Albeit I only watched one.

LOL.

Well, to be fair I think it’s always debatable if both people in a relationship should work in the same company…. Pros and cons to both sides, I kinda think it isn’t a good idea esp when one is the CEO and the other is only at an assistant manager level… I mean maybe when she is a lot more experienced and can stand on equal ground… but not now. I think she kinda went to (and stayed at) An Sheng to begin with coz she doesn’t have much of a choice. So good for her that she can resign and go elsewhere! Looking forward to that.

Seriously quite well written, it’s still a bit stretched here and there, could have been more tightly woven tog. But I’m surprised they brought up the no intention to get married theme. Lol. I was like, wow. That’s refreshing… haha yes, I like how they emulated Su Mo’s character coz she comes off as very real and not flawless. I like how although she is quite impatient (I wouldn’t say she has a temper but she’s kinda impetuous) yet at the same time she isn’t annoying…. Neither does she come off as she’s all over the place. And she hasn’t taken the whole feminism thing to some unicorn level thing.

“ What he did wrong was to assume that she will accept his decision about marriage.” —> Everyone just have different definitions of it and it is a lot of pressure on both genders to bring up lifetime commitments early in a relationship. BUT the fact that everyone knows except her…… yes, I would say for this case he is wrong coz…. People who have known him for a while knows, it’s not something he has decided to only keep to himself…. So he has chosen not to tell her.

I probably wouldn’t take it seriously myself, maybe because I don’t have any intentions to cheat and I have 0 intentions/feelings towards the other person…. So for this, it depends…. I think people who really cheat or someone who can successfully lure another person away isn’t one that does it so openly and comes over to tell you ‘hey I’m doing this’… it’s usually the ones which you have no idea of…. Yea, I think it’s pretty awesome and cool that both of them are not afraid of losing the other person (at least so far… lol. The guy is because he knows he’s a good catch, the girl is coz she prioritises being successful at this point in her life and a more compatible one will come along in the future)

I don’t think the other girl did anything wrong too, they are after all not married….

Well, I came to realise seriousness/commitment, marriage and kids are all different and separate things. For example my ex-boss is committed and has 2 kids but not married to his partner. Yeap, am aware of the S.Korea thing… I do think it is financially motivated but after meeting a few S.Koreans myself via work….. I realised….. actually although initially it might have stemmed from that but it has since evolved…. Think a lot of S.Koreans now don’t get married for various reasons.

Exactly! If he is like 23-25 I probably would still find it believable that he’d choose a Su Mo. Lol.I am still slightly cynical because I kinda agree with the 2nd brother in the sense; in reality would someone with the calibre of Wang Ju An really choose a Su Mo esp because he is aiming to be the future Group CEO and esp at his age now….. I think in reality it’s always a 50-50 chance. Or maybe even less than that.

Lol, hence I thought her communicating her logic so flawlessly in his office made a lot of sense and totally deserves a bravo. She said a lot of the important points… could have been a tad bit more comprehensive, but she has given very fair objective points. She was like “wow, initially it’s 2 days, then it’s 2 months, eventually will it be 2 yrs….?”

Their issues and the real reason for discord is already way past any girl issues…. As the relationship progresses there will be other issues that’d surface regardless of whether it’s girl related or not.

Yes, I was so surprised that everything you mentioned above is kinda realistic (coz I could put myself in both the ML and FL shoes and totally relate to both of them, and for many things I probably would have done the same thing too). I thought it was going to be a superb cliched kinda romance development…

Haha yes, told her a hard no in a slightly insulting tone + manner actually… not sure if that came across in subs, but in Mandarin he kinda provoked her… hence why she was so pissed.

LOL! That is true, she totally has that vibe, and he kinda did the same…. Hahaha but I found Ji Heng very annoying though (sorry to the actress for this, she received sooooo much criticism in Mainland for this that it was a massive scandal coz she apparently committed suicide but is fine now, I feel kinda bad coz I partially also agree that it’s due to her botched plastic surgeries)…. Just somehow makes her veryyyyy annoying…

The Li YiTing here…. I don’t like her, but I don’t feel like strangling her… lol. I personally wouldn’t chase after a person…. But I respect people who chase after who and wot they want.

I’m kind of am….. In-line with the drama on the whole marriage thing… maybe because it is really common nowadays… and I have a friend who had her heart broken so many times from dating that it took her a while to realise that… you know wot, the solution is actually really simple… I’m just now going to be superb upfront with marriage and children that I will ASK on the first date instead of assuming it even though a guy says he’s ‘serious’. I actually thought that was very smart because I truly believe the person who wants it should take responsibility for it and initiate. It’s basically the same analogy as getting promoted/salary raise at work. Yea sure, one could work hard and assume that your manager would know. It’s ‘common sense’ because it happens normally and annually. But that’s not how it works in real life…. Totally not…

Ok, ‘date with intention to get married’…. This I think is dependent on culture… and perhaps age/phase of life… and it varies for each person… I personally think it’s something that shouldn’t be assumed nowadays esp. outside of Mainland. I do think that it was wrong of him to omit this important fact when he was so eager to meet her parents….. this considering the whole Mainland Chinese culture….. yea, so for this I think it was the right timing for the girl to actually ask before allowing it and also for the guy, who could have been upfront.

Yeap if a guy or girl don’t matter, don’t think the person would cry. I wouldn’t. Exactly! I would have coz it’s kinda shocking, she most defo was taken aback.

No, so it’s not so much about her running back to him (she can’t anyway, he decided to omit the fact again, so he doesn’t even know that she already knew/stopped by the auditorium) or her getting mad for being on a trip with her. It’s actually more about hiding things/communicating…. The real reason why she’s mad is that she had absolutely no idea, and probably would have no idea if she never went to the airport, just like she had no idea he had no intention to get married, and also…. The piano recital thing, he ultimately chose to hide it from her….. so to her, based on wot she has said so far, the larger part of it is, should I have even trusted you to begin with coz clearly the ans is no based on wot you’ve done so far… which subsequently led to her whole speech in his office before breaking up with him…. It’s basically trust…

Yea, but regarding those things that involve the other girl… I think in reality it would be like the drama, honestly him and Su Mo have only known each other for less than a year…. And YiTing isn’t some random girl…. Aside from the family friends thing, they also grew up tog. And on top of that there is also business relationship. I do think wot it shows on all the things that you’ve mentioned is…. They don’t really know each other that well and they got tog, which is common in modern day dating… I don’t think it should disqualify him just yet but I equally also think these are pretty fundamental issues which shouldn’t be taken lightly. Yea, the whole piano recital thing is exactly like the travelling thing. It actually extends way beyond ‘a girl’ issue.

But it is general human nature…. Even in current times. The Chinese even has a proverb for it “ 欺善怕惡” - ‘to bully the good and the weak but fear the savage and evil people’.

But I totally don’t think it was a “Dong Hua and Ji Heng” dejavu… that was a misunderstanding even from the start which I agree is honestly quite stupid…..

All the scenarios in the current drama are NOT misunderstandings at all. They are serious issues… Far from a misunderstanding… lol, it is fully intentional albeit implicitly/subconsciously…

Nah, very quick, no drag, they are back tog in the next 2 eps.

But she does fancy him as much as he fancies her though…. So this is obvious… Also, I don’t think he is a bad partner…. I actually think he is good boyfriend material and is serious about the relationship but he has real flaws just like all other good boyfriends/girlfriends in this world. So it’d depend if things will change and whether they can overcome it because it’s still early days in the relationship. Coz right now he doesn’t even agree with her, which is sooooo realistic. Lol.

If I was her I’d literally tell him “but imagine if I did the same thing to you…. I go on a business trip with another guy who fancies me but didn’t tell you…. Because it’s last minute… is that okay? If you are alright with it then I’m cool too.” I found it surprisingly very real because it’s obvious that he doesn’t even agree with any of her reasoning and doesn’t think that there is a problem, she’s just overreacting because he felt that he didn’t do anything wrong coz he didn’t cheat… and have no intentions to.

Also his rationale for not telling her about the trip….. I kinda totally agree. LOL. Honestly I might have done the same if I have a jealous bf. BUT I also agree with Su Mo, this is actually an indication that there is a bigger fundamental issue with the relationship, it shows that you don’t want to communicate with me because of my temper/issues and I no longer trust you because you always omit certain key facts.
Nah, wouldn’t quit the company, why would she, furthermore no longer in his team. Even I wouldn’t.

No, so he is saying that if he did do it, he’d be disappointed with himself, the order of the sentence could be slightly better, it’s kinda reversed and slightly off. Wot he really said in Mandarin is this - "I would look down on myself if I were to remain with you for the sake of finishing the cultural corridor."

BUT Vengo Gao’s acting is sooooo good here. Seriously for like a split second I really thought he was going to agree. 🤣🤣🤣 I was like “reallllyyyyy…. You would get tog with her……??”

Yea…. These are very real life and current issues in the society today…. AND yes I agree that it causes a small amount of people to decide that they’d never get married, I totally can understand it…. I actually think it’s perfectly fine. Actually the K-actress, Kim Seo Hyung revealed on Radio Star that’s the reason why she will never get married.

Though I feel the FL also has a point. So they are both right, but another main reason that she is angry is more of…. She is the last person to know… everyone knows except her. I personally think even dating nowadays…. This is handled in many different ways depending on each person. If he told her this from the get go, she basically would have never gotten tog with him (which was wot she said), so in a way he has intentionally hidden it…, and coupled with other issues, there is also a trust issue,… amongst other issues. BUT because she is young, and it’s likely it has never crossed her mind, she never asked him about it. So in a way she also can’t entirely blame him, and she knows this. I think this is something that every girl (or even guy) in the modern dating world faces now because not everyone talk or discuss this in the first date/early in the relationship. It also includes topics like whether there is an intention to have kids.