@Jameslogancarlitos I accept this point of view but why is it so difficult to understand that SA is about control…
All of this! It’s the same argument that people didn’t want to see Fuji is actually abusive and controlling over Sei. For them it seems to be coming out of the blue or not in line with his character!
That had to be the most awkward sex between Kazuaki & Sei. *cringeAnd for anyone calling it SA. Sei tech consented…
Lets be very clear, the fact that Sei stopped struggling and pushing Fuji off him is not consent, he just knew he couldn’t stop Fuji, not in the blind rage Fuji was in. Sei being very clear that he would have sex with anybody but Fuji that’s a clear rejection, a no! Not to mention the multiple times he said stop, or what aren’t we going to count those because “he dropped his hand”? It was very clear that this was r*pe, Fuji saying sorry and I didn’t mean to hurt you afterwards, is exactly what abusers say after they beat or hit their victims! I didn’t want to hurt you, is also a classic oneliner!
I wrote this in one of my comments somewhere down below, more as a precaution but I didn’t think somebody would be stupid enough to actually write it! Your bloody reasoning makes me disgusted, so what if somebody was absolutely drunk as hell, then it’s alright because they can’t fight back? Ever heard of fight, flight or freeze? Just because somebody gives themselves over because they realize they can’t win and just stop fighting, doesn’t mean for a second that they consented! That there are still people who think like this, is absolutely insane!
Lol you haven’t read the comments correctly if you think people were rooting for Fuji! It’s been clear from…
I definitely know which video 😉 American next top model, Tyra Banks screaming at one of the models, I believe it was season 2 or 3.
Maybe Fuji does care for Sei, but doing what he did, broke everything they build together. Before Sei absolutely adored Fuji, Sei said it himself if you do this, we won’t be able to go back, or something like that. Look I don’t think you are stupid, a lot of people didn’t see the emotional and mental abuse Fuji put Sei through. I feel like the people who did see it, might have some experience with abuse in the past, I know I did. It’s not a bad thing not noticing or getting that Fuji was abusive, sadly it tends to start with just here and there a remark, or a thing you did being blown way out of proportion. Or some kind of thing you need to stop doing because the other person doesn’t like it.
A lot of people wouldn’t accept that, but the vulnerable ones or the people who have been abused by their parents, or have a traumatic experience when they are younger, might think that this is normal, that it’s love or that you should sacrifice things because of love. Those people tend to get love bombed, followed by a trauma bond. Then it tends to start small, like I said here and there a remark. A huge fight about something very small etc. For Sei, he was traumatized after seeing his parents die in front of him, I feel like Fuji might have taken advantage of that, and started isolating him. And maybe that was done out of concern or trying to protect Sei.
You clearly have no idea how any of them feel. All 4 of them have their own shit going on, all of them are very…
Actually you are defending him! If Fuji didnt want to do it, he wouldn’t have done it! He probably wouldn’t even have been able to get it up! You are just as much as all other fans filling in his feelings and action without you even knowing for sure why! You don’t r*pe somebody because of guilt or responsibility! You r*pe somebody because you want it and you want to feel in control! Sei told him very clearly I don’t want it to be you, that’s a very clear no, and Fuji didn’t listen, that’s the end of the story! There are no if, buts or maybe’s in this situation, it was r*pe, that isn’t explainable nor should it matter!
"It's kind of disheartening to see people trash talking Kaori because she is so sweet, kind and loyal"Well she…
Louder please, not to mention the fact that she snuggly and laughing told the friend that she and Hagi had a sexless relationship and that it was no big deal. That doesn’t sound like she felt so bad, I agree with you that if she really felt bad she would have told Hagi much earlier. From her explanation she clearly had noticed it before in other relationships, it would have been her responsibility to tell that to her next partner. More to give a partner a heads-up like this might potentially happen in the future, so know what you are signing up for.
Tell me you don’t understand his character and what he just went through without telling me!
I get that from your point of view it was harsh. From my point of view Sei has just been utterly humiliated by a person who he previously adored. He is raw with feelings, yet part of him is numb. Sei probably can’t face Hagi right now, he might even feel ashamed. Sei breaking his SIM card the next morning is him being utterly defeated, completely broken and starting to close off/feeling numb, he deliberately broke his SIM card, that way Hagi couldn’t contact him. I really felt like that evening before with Fuji was him hitting rock bottom, he is deliberately pushing Hagi away, that’s why he was harsh to Hagi. Hagi represents a caring, sweet, understanding person who Sei is starting to fall for, but he still feels stuck and depended on Fuji. Sei trying to create distance from Hagi might just be to protect himself from more rage by Fuji.
In the book Fuji SA/r*ped Sei, and from the way they directed it in the series I think you can assume Sei was…
Oh agreed, it’s gives we ride at dawn feeling! I personally wouldn’t have be that calm if I was Hagi but then again I would have torn Kaori a new one! I can not be that calm, I definitely respect Hagi for keeping calm with the conversation with Kaori.
So I just finished the episode just now. I really hate how much they sticked to the book, with this episode. I really didn’t look forward to this episode because of the SA, but seeing it was 10 times worse. Sei needs to get away from Fuji like yesterday, I hate how much control Fuji has over Sei, the whole I want to move and why not quit your job were purely said and done because of his control over Sei was threatened by Hagi. By moving and Sei quitting his job, he will become even more dependent on Fuji. Fuji throwing Sei his phone against the wall is a foreboding to what is to come. Fuji crossing then every single boundary by r*ping Sei, I just have no words about that part, I’m so disgusted, my skin crawls, I feel the chills just thinking about it. The fact that Fuji held Sei so hard by his wrists that it left bruises, turns my stomach. Fuji doing this was again about control and showing Sei, Fuji could and can own him. Fuji has been using and humiliating Sei, and this last act is just the ultimate punishment and humiliation.
Lets be very clear, the fact that Sei stopped struggling and pushing Fuji off is not consent, he just knew he couldn’t stop Fuji, not in the blind rage Fuji was in. It was very clear that this was r*pe, Fuji saying sorry afterwards, is exactly what abusers say after they beat or hit their victims! I didn’t want to hurt you, is also a classic oneliner! If he had said well you made me do it, or it was your fault I did it, then we would have had the full sentence complete!
I hate how Sei after that act feels like he has no other choice but to break his SIM card, making any possibility for Hagi to reach him impossible, maybe only by mail but I wouldn’t be suprised if Sei has blocked him.
Everybody can stop thinking Fuji is asexual or what so ever because clearly that’s not true! Also all those people defending Fuji and taking it up for him, saying things like what for creep Sei is/was, I hope you feel some shame really! Thank you for once again showing why victims are not believed when it comes to mental and emotional abuse! I hope who ever said that Sei didn’t act like a domestic abuse victim, eats his or her words now! Sei in this episode acted exactly like a victim of abuse! He is too dependent on Fuji, to trauma bonded with Fuji to leave, even after Fuji betrayed him in the worst possible way!
As for Kaori, she will absolutely find no sympathy for me, apparently it wasn’t so hard to explain, communicate it but too little too late! She can shove those tears back in to her eyes, is it so hard to believe that after more then a year of constantly rejecting Hagi that he would find comfort in somebody else’s arms? What she could get over it being a woman? But a man is somehow different? It really gives the idea that she was expecting him to cheat and it being a woman. Personally if I was Hagi I definitely wouldn’t be this calm or asking for forgiveness, I would have had a lot to say! Kaori basically neglected him for 12 months, they were more like roommates!
I get the part that Kaori after a while doesn’t want to have sex anymore or feels like her sex drive is gone, everybody goes through those moments in relationships or in life, maybe she is asexual. But what bothers me is the fact that Kaori never said anything, never explained anything to Hagi. Every time Kaori kept pushing it forward to tomorrow, it was hope for Hagi. Even though Hagi probably knew by month 3 that sex wasn’t going to happen for him anymore, probably at that point he started questioning if it was because of him. Like I said after the last episode she has no right to be mad or upset, she treated him horrible. But the fact that she even tried to mock Sei, is where I started getting angry, maybe scratch yourself on the back of the head and wonder what part you played it this!
I’m very thankful Hagi ended the relationship because it had ended long ago, it just wasn’t said aloud. Though I do feel like Kaori insisting Hagi says the words, is her tactic to than later play the victim towards friends and family. It’s more like a ‘poor me, my bf cheated and broke up with me’ kind of thing.
I’m seriously hoping for a happy ending, preferably with Hagi and Sei being together, I think they would be good together. But most of all I hope Sei gets away from Fuji, because he is very much in an abusive relationship! And it broke my heart how he tried to joke about what Fuji did to him, I somewhere am glad Hagi called him softly out by it, calling him a bad liar.
I’m quite curious if the moral police still only can go on with ‘but it’s cheating’ part or do you actually start to think that maybe, just maybe it was justified!
I SWEAR TO GOD i thought that there was a reason Kasuaki acts the way he do maybe he did care for sei but didn't…
Lol you haven’t read the comments correctly if you think people were rooting for Fuji! It’s been clear from the beginning that Fuji is abusive and incredibly controlling over Sei!
to everyone that tried so desperately protect Kazu you all look like clowns 🤡 he is sick in the head. and that…
I’m not even 2 minutes in and I already feel the absolute ick and chils, the amount of control Fuji has over Sei, is so disgusting. Like his way of handling Sei is to just move to the country side, oh and you know what just quite your job, so Sei can become even more dependent on him. And you still have people saying the past few days that Fuji isn’t abusive, controlling etc.
Yeah idk what the fans are on about. I felt a bit weird about BoC making a barely 18 year old do multiple explicit…
At least BOC send out that statement about not sharing the images to protect their actors. Not that fans listen to that but BOC did try to protect their actors. I cannot really say the same thing about GMMTV, there have been so many statements of them saying people are sending out fals information of a actor, or a actor being stalked, followed. Or the amount of crazy fans who ask unreasonable things from actors during these fan meetings, GMMTV doesn’t tend to protect their actors very much.
I agree with you about the part where they m complied with those fans, its only strengthened the fans believe that they can make anything happen as long as they push enough.
Can you imagine all those sound effects during Revamp? Or during the nc scenes blasting the ost? I dread and fear…
I mean New got a lot of backlash on twitter from fans after Fourever you. It came to the point he had to deactive his account or deactived his comment section. People were not happy, which was when he came out with the “script mixup excuse”, which personally only made him look worse.
I was kind of afraid for this for quite some while, ever since Boun and Prem signed with GMMTV. There were so many changes made, Boss not playing in it anymore and being replaced by Santa is not necessary a bad thing, because I do think Santa can pull of that role. But how long they took for the rewriting of the script makes me anxious. ReVamp could potentially be as good as KinnPorsche, Jack and Joker, My stand in, in my opinion, like the premises for the story is there, but to do that the actors need to have a damn good director. And I just don’t see New pull it off, he’s series lately have been mediocre at best. ReVamp has the potential for a really good vampire series, I hate that GMMTV didn’t give BounPrem a better director.
I’m starting to think that someone needs to have a serious sit down with New Siwaj. Not sure if it’s because…
Can you imagine all those sound effects during Revamp? Or during the nc scenes blasting the ost? I dread and fear the butcher work he’s going to do with Revamp, they really couldn’t give another director this series to direct? Maybe GMMTV should think about hiring some new good directors instead of actors!
The YothaGun ending wasn’t perfect, and 8 episodes might have been too restrictive for a maximalist like New,…
Sure if you don’t compare it to how the characters on the book was. They screwed up Yotha his character completely! Not to mention the amount of scenes New took away from PerthSanta, YothaGun by having in every episode ArmArc or PondSand come in. It’s because of PerthSanta that the series is good, they are saving it. But New, nah it’s the next series he screwed up.
I wrote this in one of my comments somewhere down below, more as a precaution but I didn’t think somebody would be stupid enough to actually write it! Your bloody reasoning makes me disgusted, so what if somebody was absolutely drunk as hell, then it’s alright because they can’t fight back? Ever heard of fight, flight or freeze? Just because somebody gives themselves over because they realize they can’t win and just stop fighting, doesn’t mean for a second that they consented! That there are still people who think like this, is absolutely insane!
Maybe Fuji does care for Sei, but doing what he did, broke everything they build together. Before Sei absolutely adored Fuji, Sei said it himself if you do this, we won’t be able to go back, or something like that. Look I don’t think you are stupid, a lot of people didn’t see the emotional and mental abuse Fuji put Sei through. I feel like the people who did see it, might have some experience with abuse in the past, I know I did. It’s not a bad thing not noticing or getting that Fuji was abusive, sadly it tends to start with just here and there a remark, or a thing you did being blown way out of proportion. Or some kind of thing you need to stop doing because the other person doesn’t like it.
A lot of people wouldn’t accept that, but the vulnerable ones or the people who have been abused by their parents, or have a traumatic experience when they are younger, might think that this is normal, that it’s love or that you should sacrifice things because of love. Those people tend to get love bombed, followed by a trauma bond. Then it tends to start small, like I said here and there a remark. A huge fight about something very small etc. For Sei, he was traumatized after seeing his parents die in front of him, I feel like Fuji might have taken advantage of that, and started isolating him. And maybe that was done out of concern or trying to protect Sei.
I’m sorry if I reacted harshly.
Lets be very clear, the fact that Sei stopped struggling and pushing Fuji off is not consent, he just knew he couldn’t stop Fuji, not in the blind rage Fuji was in. It was very clear that this was r*pe, Fuji saying sorry afterwards, is exactly what abusers say after they beat or hit their victims! I didn’t want to hurt you, is also a classic oneliner! If he had said well you made me do it, or it was your fault I did it, then we would have had the full sentence complete!
I hate how Sei after that act feels like he has no other choice but to break his SIM card, making any possibility for Hagi to reach him impossible, maybe only by mail but I wouldn’t be suprised if Sei has blocked him.
Everybody can stop thinking Fuji is asexual or what so ever because clearly that’s not true! Also all those people defending Fuji and taking it up for him, saying things like what for creep Sei is/was, I hope you feel some shame really! Thank you for once again showing why victims are not believed when it comes to mental and emotional abuse! I hope who ever said that Sei didn’t act like a domestic abuse victim, eats his or her words now! Sei in this episode acted exactly like a victim of abuse! He is too dependent on Fuji, to trauma bonded with Fuji to leave, even after Fuji betrayed him in the worst possible way!
As for Kaori, she will absolutely find no sympathy for me, apparently it wasn’t so hard to explain, communicate it but too little too late! She can shove those tears back in to her eyes, is it so hard to believe that after more then a year of constantly rejecting Hagi that he would find comfort in somebody else’s arms? What she could get over it being a woman? But a man is somehow different? It really gives the idea that she was expecting him to cheat and it being a woman. Personally if I was Hagi I definitely wouldn’t be this calm or asking for forgiveness, I would have had a lot to say! Kaori basically neglected him for 12 months, they were more like roommates!
I get the part that Kaori after a while doesn’t want to have sex anymore or feels like her sex drive is gone, everybody goes through those moments in relationships or in life, maybe she is asexual. But what bothers me is the fact that Kaori never said anything, never explained anything to Hagi. Every time Kaori kept pushing it forward to tomorrow, it was hope for Hagi. Even though Hagi probably knew by month 3 that sex wasn’t going to happen for him anymore, probably at that point he started questioning if it was because of him. Like I said after the last episode she has no right to be mad or upset, she treated him horrible. But the fact that she even tried to mock Sei, is where I started getting angry, maybe scratch yourself on the back of the head and wonder what part you played it this!
I’m very thankful Hagi ended the relationship because it had ended long ago, it just wasn’t said aloud. Though I do feel like Kaori insisting Hagi says the words, is her tactic to than later play the victim towards friends and family. It’s more like a ‘poor me, my bf cheated and broke up with me’ kind of thing.
I’m seriously hoping for a happy ending, preferably with Hagi and Sei being together, I think they would be good together. But most of all I hope Sei gets away from Fuji, because he is very much in an abusive relationship! And it broke my heart how he tried to joke about what Fuji did to him, I somewhere am glad Hagi called him softly out by it, calling him a bad liar.
I’m quite curious if the moral police still only can go on with ‘but it’s cheating’ part or do you actually start to think that maybe, just maybe it was justified!
I agree with you about the part where they m complied with those fans, its only strengthened the fans believe that they can make anything happen as long as they push enough.
I was kind of afraid for this for quite some while, ever since Boun and Prem signed with GMMTV. There were so many changes made, Boss not playing in it anymore and being replaced by Santa is not necessary a bad thing, because I do think Santa can pull of that role. But how long they took for the rewriting of the script makes me anxious. ReVamp could potentially be as good as KinnPorsche, Jack and Joker, My stand in, in my opinion, like the premises for the story is there, but to do that the actors need to have a damn good director. And I just don’t see New pull it off, he’s series lately have been mediocre at best. ReVamp has the potential for a really good vampire series, I hate that GMMTV didn’t give BounPrem a better director.