AthenaTheStorierX

How did I just now notice in the series poster that Gun's face in the "O" has White's glasses?! That's such a neat detail. Love it.

Yea, there's always been an undercurrent of attraction there - but he never acted on it because he was still thinking he might be Black. And the choking incident was definitely him losing his rationality bc of Tawi- it was related to White only at surface level (and White knew that).

Also, there seems to be quite a bit of time between then and now. We have to remember, shows dont show every single second of a character's life - they only show scenes that are plot relevant. Slice of life dramas don't tend to do well - nor is there enough funding to keep them going. And if they announced every time there was an even minute timeskip someone will throw a fit. So 1 episode does not necessarily mean 1 day.

The pilot trailer was done to see if there was an audience. It was only meant to give a general gist and vibe for the series. They had yet to fully sit down with the script, or start filming. It is not representative of the series as it exists now - and has done been contradicted many times in the aired episodes.

And P’Nuchy seems very inclined to leave things up to personal interpretation (she has said so on multiple occasions).

The team is not going to reveal plot spoilers - and if they do, they will delete it very quickly (as with the Wai curtain reveal from Bad Buddy).

P'Nuchy said on her twitter Q&A that that scene had to be moved to the next episode, and they just didn't have time to edit the episode previews accordingly: https://twitter.com/Nuchyfilm/with_replies

It does look like it takes place on that ledge/warehouse - so it might be shown as a flashback. And the Gumpa conversation will definitely come into play as well as a flashback - because it was framed as being important.

I remember lots of fans being angry about the Sean choking White situation. I think it's a matter of time passing. We just got the full Dan flashback story, so that's going to be the focus right now - just like Sean's actions were the focus of the week following that episode. Also, there is a difference in that Dan was a police officer and was (unintentionally) part of this bigger political plot and Sean is a gang member we've already established as violent and one-track-minded.

I mean, there is definitely some ship-based hypocrisy. But there are other factors at play as well - discussions on MDL seem to be focused on each episode as it comes out, and rarely on the episode prior.

P'Nuchy got active on her official twitter again and has been answering questions: https://twitter.com/Nuchyfilm/with_replies

Also, I'd like to encourage critical thinking about what twitter accounts you are using as legit sources. Some accounts are posting theories as fact, without any official support to back it up or by spinning testimony out of context.

The pacing of some of the subplots were slow for a few episodes, but then they got their groove and each episode since has been mindblowing.

Great chemistry. Off and Gun are definitely showing how much they've grown as actors and how comfortable they are with each other. Honestly, considering Off's previous aversion to skinship (from anyone) i was SHOCKED at some of the scenes he's doing here, and how natural they feel.

Gram is a bit flat from time to time in my opinion, but a great character. And recent plot developments might help make him more rounded to viewers moving forward.

Definitely watch. I don't think you'll regret it.

It's the exact reason I like to watch shows while they air - gives me something to look forward to during the week.

Sean knew since he found the glasses in episode 8. The warehouse scenes were him confirming, and getting to know White not as Black. He stopped calling him Black a while ago. I think he's just waiting for White to confide in him (just like White waited for Sean to confide about his father). I can provide more info if you want.

As far as I've seen, there has been no such confirmation. Although there have been tweets that seem to suggest that it might not happen;
- Only one son-in-law is enough (someone else quoted this from twitter but i can't find it)
- And that the B&G are just small things we need not concern ourselves with right now: https://twitter.com/justababii/status/1493016112287473664?t=o7xUyWvQSY4Uq9xlyFcmZg&s=19

Also, we may see some good commentary/insights as P'Nuchy answers on her official twitter: https://twitter.com/Nuchyfilm

Honestly, seems like P'Nuchy is being teasing. P'Aof did the same with Bad Buddy recently. Nothing OFFICIAL has outright said that BlackGram won't happen.

And BlackGram theories have been all the rage for several episodes (especially on social media), but Gram is being confusing right now with his Eugene conversations so I think we're currently waiting till we have a little bit more info.

I would like to try and provide some insight into Black - because there actually is a lot of depth to that scene.

Firstly, about Black calling him a cry-baby. Honestly, it looks like he said it with fondness, a sort of teasing (just as he did in flashbacks earlier in the series). Me and my sister have a similar thing going.

I think the slap was too much for this scene (it'd be better fitted for when White continues to investigate like he's going to), I think just the yelling and being abrasive was enough for this scene. Especially since he hadn't seen White in years. But his anger showing up like it did is 100% justifiable . Black was prepared to die. And came near to. And now he hears that his brother, who he's been super protective of since day 1, went into a situation that could result in his own death, and he went in effectively blind (not knowing anything) and defenseless. Black doesn't want to tell White everything he knows because he wants to protect him. So he's hoping that being abrasive and angry with White (as well as showing White could have easily been dead right then when they fought) will knock sense into him. And yes, the ep 9 preview and official music video show that it was Black who saw White and Sean kissing in the garage, so i believe he knew even before White said anything.

This is his way of trying to get White scared enough to leave the matter alone. And when they were hugging, we do see that Black is actually really soft to White (the hair rustle, the way he partially melted into that hug, his features all softened and creased with fear and relief, he was gripping onto White's shoulder so visibly tightly, and the fact that it was White who let go of the hug first). It was only after White let go of the hug that Black's body language and face turned chastising, prepared to try to scare White away from what he's been doing. And the fear in his eyes when White mentioned Todd was extremely obvious. He legit froze mid action, eyes widened, his head moved to look at White almost like he was scared to hear the answer. He broke the dismissive aura he was putting on. And then he was furious, but his dialogue shows he wasn't furious at White right there, but at Todd - for daring to come near his brother after everything he did.

I would have killed to see Black's facial expressions at the moment that White was saying it was Todd who got him involved (and I think it might've been better for his likability factor - so many people seem to despise Black right now).

Lol, yea White isn't going to just abandoned this issue now that Black is awake and trying to get him to get away from it. He cares for his brother too much. And beyond that - he cares for the gang and especially Sean. And while he may not know why or in what capacity, he now knows that he put the gang in danger while talking with Todd this entire time. And White is now much more comfortable with defending himself, and invested in the cause the gang has been fighting (that he knows is somehow connected to Todd now). He's not gonna abandon any of it now. And that's something Black will have to accept - especially in order to take down this giant operation Todd is obviously running.

I mean, I commented it back during episode 8, so you might've already seen it, but here it is again (with some added episode 9 connections at the end):

Sean has been suspicious of White (as Black) this entire time, thinking that this is a game to Black. Black broke his trust long before the events of this series (the getting suspended flashback) and Sean doesn't forgive. But he knows something's different here - White doesn't act like Black at all.

So Sean dug around in Black's apartment. And what did he find? Glasses. And contacts. Black has never needed these things. Plus these items are very expensive. Perhaps he may have even found White's ID as well off screen (he's certainly doing a thorough search, and why wouldn't he search his wallet; or even his ID from when he took the government test that would in theory be in the same bag). Combined with all the other behaviors that don't line up (and the ridiculous questions White would ask that Black would know). Sean has to know that White is not Black.

Then there's the conversation with Gumpa that gets cut off for us viewers. What other purpose would that conversation have? Especially since it's right after he leaves White.

Then there's the whole abandoned building bit, where he seems to be testing White and paying extra attention to him.
-The "good at spying" line was clue number 1. No where in the series have we gotten any clues that White or Black are good at spying. This was an indirect jab/hint to White that he knows.
- The way he pulled the bench up to window and helped White get through was also pretty telling. He has never showed this courtesy to him before, especially because Black would have been able to do it no problem.
-White being winded from running up a flight of steps (something that is suggested to be very out of character for Black both in this scene and in the rooftop training scene a few episodes back)
-watching how White reacts to being forced so close to Sean
-tickling White (another thing that keeps getting suggested as being a new thing, but not so easy to suddenly appear)
-the trust fall (Sean was just talking about how ridiculous the exercise was when White did it, besides he wouldn't trust Black to do that, Black has already let him "fall" before with that suspension flashback).
-And then the kiss. I do believe there might be some history between Black and Sean. Something that made it where this test confirmed that White isn't Black. Either because Black would never have let him do that, or because they kiss different.

And then he didn't even blink when White asked if he would still like him if he wasn't Black - saying he's never known Black like this (basically saying he had no desire to be like this with the old Black).

I think him tying him up in the bed was his punishment to White for lying (this isn't my theory, someone else posed this idea and it certainly seems to ring true). Also probably a way to identify White (the markings on his wrist), as well as the ripped button and the unstated wish he wants from White. He's establishing ways to help him distinguish between the two. And I think the hug when White got off the phone was him realizing that circumstances are about to change.

It was Black through the window. I found a clear video that puts the two frames together: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZo83mNBoYB/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Hon, all you gotta do is match the shape of the window of us seeing Sean and White kissing to the shape of the window Black is looking through. Of course White would think Black was at the apartment instead of the garage because he didn't see Black - because Black was hiding/lurking to see if he saw anything suspicious. They don't have that kind of psychic link.

The directors also would not reveal who saw them kissing yet via twitter. That's a plot point. Kinda needs to be kept secret for the sake of the plot, otherwise it'd be a spoiler. It's probably just a popular theory that you read on twitter.

White is going to feel guilty though, you're right. And he's going to keep investigating. Ultimately, Todd probably took over the drug business from his dad and the gang was disrupting his plans, so he's having Gumpa lead everyone full force onto Tawi with false leads. And probably used Eugene to lure Black into the trap that got him into a coma.

And Dan is in this mess somewhere. I think his desire to redeem himself will result in him betraying (or at least appearing to betray) the gang - before coming through for them in the end.

In the end, White will help take down the organization using his brains (and the anonymous activism account he used to start the protest), while Black and the gang do more of the physical and illegal stuff.

Different theory: White is going to keep investigating, yes. But he’s gonna get kidnapped while following a lead his mom gives him (because he’s totally going to go to that meeting).
I do think he’ll go to Sean - but White doesn’t know why Todd is doing this and Black isnt gonna tell him (he’s trying to push him away from this remember), so there’s not much to say that would lead them to the conclusion that Todd and Gumpa (and Eugene) are working together to pin the blame on Tawi.

So White’s going to get kidnapped because he’s investigating on his own (and maybe with Sean, but i personally doubt it), blindly following leads, and is already on Tawi and Todd’s radars. Black will know he’s being hurt bc of their psychic pain link and will storm Todd’s place to save him (which of course is a trap, because Todd knows about all this). This will also probably be how the gang finds out about White and Black (because Black has been pushing everyone away in order to protect them, so he’s not gonna go back to the gang).

Eventually Black will realize that its no use keeping White out of the picture, and he cant do this by himself - so theyll team up and take down the operation together.


Also, I hope you aren't using the pilot trailer scenes for these theories. The pilot trailer was shot to see if there was an audience by giving a general gist and vibe of the series. They hadn't written the complete script, not filmed anything at the time of the pilot trailer release. They've done contradicted it so many times. There's no way of knowing what, if any, scenes from the pilot trailer will come to fruition. Ground your theories in the official trailer (and official MV) that aired just before the series started.

Why thank you :)

I'm a very character-driven story consumer, so I pay a lot of attention to these kinds of details.

I did one a while back on all the clues that Sean knows in episode 8 as well.

Firstly, i noticed people being upset with Black for calling him a cry-baby. Honestly, it looks like he said it with fondness, a sort of teasing (just as he did in flashbacks earlier in the series). Me and my sister have a similar thing going.

I think the slap was too much for this scene (it'd be better fitted for when White continues to investigate like he's going to), I think just the yelling and being abrasive was enough for this scene. Especially since he hadn't seen White in years. But his anger showing up like it did is 100% justifiable . Black was prepared to die. And came near to. And now he hears that his brother, who he's been super protective of since day 1, went into a situation that could result in his own death, and he went in effectively blind (not knowing anything) and defenseless. Black doesn't want to tell White everything he knows because he wants to protect him. So he's hoping that being abrasive and angry with White (as well as showing White could have easily been dead right then when they fought) will knock sense into him. And yes, the ep 9 preview and official music video show that it was Black who saw White and Sean kissing in the garage, so i believe he knew even before White said anything.

This is his way of trying to get White scared enough to leave the matter alone. And when they were hugging, we do see that Black is actually really soft to White (the hair rustle, the way he partially melted into that hug, his features all softened and creased with fear and relief, he was gripping onto White's shoulder so visibly tightly, and the fact that it was White who let go of the hug first). It was only after White let go of the hug that Black's body language and face turned chastising, prepared to try to scare White away from what he's been doing. And the fear in his eyes when White mentioned Todd was extremely obvious. He legit froze mid action, eyes widened, his head moved to look at White almost like he was scared to hear the answer. He broke the dismissive aura he was putting on. And then he was furious, but his dialogue shows he wasn't furious at White right there, but at Todd - for daring to come near his brother after everything he did.

I would have killed to see Black's facial expressions at the moment that White was saying it was Todd who got him involved (and I think it might've been better for his likability factor - so many people seem to despise Black right now).