Strange. This is like a junior-high production of a bad BL production, so why is there something about it that I like? I don't know what that thing is yet. Does anyone else get annoyed with the over-preponderance of stereotypically melodramatic, bitchy/queenie trans characters? Since when do trans women automatically act like effeminate gay men/drag queens? It's too much; their mannerisms are all almost identical here. Then we have the cis female (I'm fairly sure) student who's already had a gallon of collagen pumped into her lips... The LineTV thumbnail for the third episode shows a profile pic of Nut with his hair kind of permed and straight back from his forehead...he looks awesome. It's kind of amazing how short he is when he's up against Satha. Is the Satha/Nut hostility really just from that first-day seat-stealing episode? Is it just me or does Satha look a lot like the former BF Nut caught in the sack with someone else? But he'd KNOW if it was him, right?
I am so stressed out right now after watching this episode , Darren the voice of reason , and he tried to open…
Sadly, I found the grandiose proposal annoyingly time-consuming and boring, as it took the story where we knew it was going anyway, so I couldn't get excited about Tin saying yes to what I know he doesn't want. Though I DID know, of course, that he would go along with it, regardless...so there was zero dramatic tension.
Yeah, the character of KK has been tough for me this time around because they made him more personally appealing and sympathetic and less creepy than in the original. But that also leaves him seeming less crazy and self-deluded, and you can't help but see his intelligence, so why doesn't he see what is so obvious? He's also more physically attractive this time around, but Tin doesn't seem to notice or care.
But at the very end of this episode, it was implied KK might literally be "waking up" to reality.
Given that, for me, this series has devolved from a 9/10 to a 3/10 at this point, I continue watching purely for…
Your comment is so over-the-top that maybe it will be fun to tackle it. Let's see:
I never said "sex is the be-all and end-all of relationships," despite your implication that I did. But that's your writing style: make shit up and pretend the other commenter wrote it, then react to it. No, it's not the end-all, but for the VAST MAJORITY of human beings on this planet, sex is a very important part of their romantic relationships. And if they aren't getting laid inside the relationship, MOST of those people will go sniffing around elsewhere.
Other things you make up are elements of a characters' thinking that are NEVER addressed in any way. But you go off IMAGINING they have been and then reacting to what you think MIGHT be behind actions taken or not taken. We will never know as viewers, because those elements simply aren't given any time at all.
To take a second to go back to my comment about your perspective, and it is important here. You are in a relationship with an "asexual" person, and you are OK with that, which is of course, your right and your choice. BUT fewer than 1% of the adult population (google it!) is believed to be asexual by any meaningful definition. As someone who does experience sexual desire but is in a relationship with an "ace," you are part of an even tinier minority. It's not that you can't HAVE a perspective , but there's no doubt it is skewed by the parameters of your current relationship.
You mention all these possible sexualities or behavioral choices that SM, Tin, KK, etc. MAY be making and your imagined reasons WHY they might be making them. Which if any of that were true in the world of this story, would be super-interesting. BUT there has been ZERO exposition, discussion, activity, inuendo, behavior, gossip, suggestion, blah, blah, blah to indicate that any of those sexual/behavioral/attitudinal choices are being made deliberately, accidentally, hap-hazardly, or any OTHER way by any character in this show. NONE of that is addressed in any way. The script tells us nothing about why most of them act like Vestal Virgins lacking sex drives. If they are all asexual, and members of the same local ACE club, then that is something that they forgot to put in the script.
If this show were about asexuals and how one or more of them might enter into various types of relationships under a variety of circumstances, I think we would have been keyed in. Same goes for any other unusual sexuality. BTW, researchers (google it!) believe a substantial portion of those 18-24 years of age may be claiming asexuality as an identity because it's a hot fad right now. I'm tempted to go with that.
You mention that Tin is attracted to women because he said he liked "big chests." I was in the closet for quite a while and used to pretend the same thing. Didn't make it true. WE JUST DON'T KNOW any of this stuff and insultingly, the plot doesn't fill us in. It could have been a really cool, exciting show if issues of asexuality, shyness, behavioral and time-related choices, gayness, straightness, etc. had been included. They weren't. Your imaginings don't count. For god's sake, was Tin EVER in the closet and PRETENDING to be straight? Or thought he was straight but had never been laid so he thinks he doesn't know? Who knows? The script doesn't tell us and doesn't care.
Another thing you implied I said but never did was that characters had to "prove their sexualities via sex." Nice try. Oh, and can you quote me where I wrote "how the hell can you like this show? It's shit!?" No, no you can't. Because I never wrote that. Honestly, without the stuff you put in my mouth, that I never said, you wouldn't have much to argue against.
How clingy this boss is. IRRITATING FRUSTRATING UFFF. I JUST HATE HIM. He already knows that Tin see him as a…
But it's like everything else in this show: Almost nothing anyone does makes any sense. You marry your boss because, well...whatever, he saved me from a haunted apartment? Sure...why not? It's pretty awful. I made the mistake of assuming when this remake began, that there would be some REASON for the remake, shown by major changes in its plot. Nope.
Wow. This is going to be dumb to dumber right to the bitter end.
Who would have thought Darren would be, when it matters most, the only one with some brains, heart and compassion brought to bear? Just so many plot holes in this show it's beyond absurd. So many questions/insights/answers/information just NOT PROVIDED. The show doesn't try to make us think one thing and then go the other; it just doesn't try to make us think anything?
Do KK and Tin have a physical relationship? Who knows? Who cares? Do they share a bedroom in the apartment? Who knows? Who cares? Is Tin straight, bi, gay, or some combination of all of the above? Who knows? Who cares? Does Francesca fear that getting with Louis would prevent him from having kids? Who knows? Who cares? KK does not seem mentally challenged, in fact he is brilliant and kind. Does he not see that Tin doesn't really love him? Who knows? Who cares? Is Tim really so stupid that he thinks going along with a wedding he doesn't want is cool because KK saved him from a haunted apartment? Was the apt. really haunted? If not,, who was throwing sheets around and what was up with the fan and light working on no electricity? Who knows? Who cares? Has SM has zero personal life for a year? Who knows? Who cares?
There are all these amazing possibilities for background developments and clues to characters' motivations and behaviors, and this show, just like the Japanese original, makes use of none of them. Started as a near-10/10. Now it's a 2/10. Maybe the finale will take me to a 1/10.
I think the problem is that Da On is too nice even overly nice to people. It's ok to be nice and kind to everyone…
I'm not sure how much it really matters because, while I think he enjoys the comments and affirmations from Daon, it's clearly Shin Woo he's interested in. I don't think he's all in to Daon as a lover.
I have to agree, I love Daon, but his extra nice persona is putting me off. I understand how hes neglcted by parents,…
Briefly, I think you're kind of missing my point: If Daon is nice or "too nice" to EVERYONE, then how can he be accused of "making someone have feelings for him" by treating them the same way he treats everybody else? He didn't "make" that girl feel anything; she had her eye on him and deluded herself into believing that Daon's normal all-round niceness to all was, when aimed at her, somehow special. That' what I'm whining about. And that's why I asked: should he start treating everyone badly except for one person who he is romantically interested in? I would say...no.
Daon continues to be creepy in his "niceness." He stands around observing others and commenting/dispensing advice like a condescending uncle. Annoying.
What's up with this bizarre concept that you should only be nice to one person...the one you have romantic feelings for? If I was Daon I would have told that girl who told him off for being nice to her to stuff it. Why didn't he just say "I'm nice to everyone. If you can't handle it, f**k off?" Oh...that wouldn't have been..."nice." But at least she might have taken the hint.
Shin Woo is adorable, though definitely psycho over whatever happened to him the last time he had the feels for a guy. Though sometimes his rude way of "being nice" to TK is outright hostile. lol I still won't be surprised if the big twist is that TK is an experimental android controlled by the Korean government.
That girl who stalks Daon needs a few good bitch-slaps. If three years of failed stalking doesn't do the trick, more of the same while you insult and annoy his friends probably isn't going to work either.
Finally, once again I have to say there is a certain ugliness/viciousness in some tones of the Korean language, like when that bratty girl told off Daon. When she ordered him not to treat people "this way" in the future, it was in evidence. It's very hostile and confrontational and I run into it in every Korean drama I ever watch. Sometimes it escalates to a pure, belligerent hatefulness that leaves me speechless. I would paraphrase the tone I'm talking about as "you should definitely kill yourself, you worthless piece of shit."
I've seen it in feature films where even a mother gets angry at a son and says horrible things to him, etc. Korean society is probably the most high-pressure, conservative, appearances-matter, judgemental, and shaming of all the high-pressure Asian countries, and it is also the suicide capital of the industrialized world. I wonder if that vicious tone that sometimes takes my breath away is somehow connected to that.
Apparently, sometime during the early run of this series, I have fallen deeply in love with...Pitch? It's true! lol What a smile and great personality and fit, lanky frame. Nice. When this show began, I wasn't sure about the chemistry between Sun and Sky, but it has really taken off in the last couple of eps. Totally shipping. I already have a weak spot for Gun and his crooked smile/pillow-lips ever since he was Techno in LBC, but when Boat shot him that long-awaited smile near the end of this ep...wow. :D I love faking a nightmare about your mom's shooting to get your crush to sleep in the same bed with you overnight. "I can see young master's...thing." LOL This is the first BL in a long time during which I actually felt feels during the slip-fall-catch cliche. Tingles. Sky and Sun and the martial arts training sessions were hilarious. I sensed there was ointment in the future.
Or some just went in with wrong expectations about the remake
I went in expecting that the re-makers had some decent reason for doing a re-make, other than changing the language, which is unnecessary because...subtitles. But instead it's the same old, nonsensical plot as the original. So yeah, I'm disappointed; I had hoped for some fresh creativity.
I agree about the darkness underlying this series. That's what I like most about it. Someone could pull a weapon…
Of course anything I comment on is "speculation." ALL comments are speculation. I never said Shin Woo did the soup thing "on purpose." But the way he reacted to Daon's touching him, which caused the soup spill, is one of intense emotion and the way he looked at Daon was certainly not friendly; it was a little scary. As far as most else of what you wrote, I'm not sure why you did because you basically just rehashed the plot. I KNOW Daon and SW were friends, I know SW is jealous, that's why all of this is happening. I also think Daon is twisting the knife; there's a reason he asks TK to do stuff with him when SW is there to hear it. I think it's to MAKE SW jealous on purpose. Maybe I'm wrong; we'll see. SW is being obtuse, however, in not acknowledging how often TK chases after him to make nice and try to be friends. That's a BL cliche; poor communication and making assumptions that are not well-grounded. I'll stay with my feeling that Daon, TK and SW are ALL a little spooky, each in their own way. Daon and SW have been stifling rage for years, each for different reasons. We'll see what happens next.
I had to pat my moist places dry after reading your comment. I could not agree with you more on all points. There…
Of course she can do what she wants. And I can conclude that her actions were those of a douche. Not buying the "closure" argument. You don't disrespect and mistreat other people for your own selfish "closure" BS. You hold your head high, accept what is and go forward with life.
Oh well...this show is weird anyway and down to a 3/10 from me so this is just another ice berg to hit the sinking ship.
There's no thumbnail for ep 13 in my version of that page, and it's not clickable to watch. Any advice?
Hi there! Thanks for what you do! I appreciate it. I started the download a while ago and forgot about it. lol Will check to see if it's done and that everything works. Again..thank you.
Does anyone else get annoyed with the over-preponderance of stereotypically melodramatic, bitchy/queenie trans characters? Since when do trans women automatically act like effeminate gay men/drag queens? It's too much; their mannerisms are all almost identical here. Then we have the cis female (I'm fairly sure) student who's already had a gallon of collagen pumped into her lips...
The LineTV thumbnail for the third episode shows a profile pic of Nut with his hair kind of permed and straight back from his forehead...he looks awesome. It's kind of amazing how short he is when he's up against Satha.
Is the Satha/Nut hostility really just from that first-day seat-stealing episode? Is it just me or does Satha look a lot like the former BF Nut caught in the sack with someone else? But he'd KNOW if it was him, right?
Good god, why do I watch these things...? lol
Here goes...
Yeah, the character of KK has been tough for me this time around because they made him more personally appealing and sympathetic and less creepy than in the original. But that also leaves him seeming less crazy and self-deluded, and you can't help but see his intelligence, so why doesn't he see what is so obvious? He's also more physically attractive this time around, but Tin doesn't seem to notice or care.
But at the very end of this episode, it was implied KK might literally be "waking up" to reality.
I never said "sex is the be-all and end-all of relationships," despite your implication that I did. But that's your writing style: make shit up and pretend the other commenter wrote it, then react to it. No, it's not the end-all, but for the VAST MAJORITY of human beings on this planet, sex is a very important part of their romantic relationships. And if they aren't getting laid inside the relationship, MOST of those people will go sniffing around elsewhere.
Other things you make up are elements of a characters' thinking that are NEVER addressed in any way. But you go off IMAGINING they have been and then reacting to what you think MIGHT be behind actions taken or not taken. We will never know as viewers, because those elements simply aren't given any time at all.
To take a second to go back to my comment about your perspective, and it is important here. You are in a relationship with an "asexual" person, and you are OK with that, which is of course, your right and your choice. BUT fewer than 1% of the adult population (google it!) is believed to be asexual by any meaningful definition. As someone who does experience sexual desire but is in a relationship with an "ace," you are part of an even tinier minority. It's not that you can't HAVE a perspective , but there's no doubt it is skewed by the parameters of your current relationship.
You mention all these possible sexualities or behavioral choices that SM, Tin, KK, etc. MAY be making and your imagined reasons WHY they might be making them. Which if any of that were true in the world of this story, would be super-interesting. BUT there has been ZERO exposition, discussion, activity, inuendo, behavior, gossip, suggestion, blah, blah, blah to indicate that any of those sexual/behavioral/attitudinal choices are being made deliberately, accidentally, hap-hazardly, or any OTHER way by any character in this show. NONE of that is addressed in any way. The script tells us nothing about why most of them act like Vestal Virgins lacking sex drives. If they are all asexual, and members of the same local ACE club, then that is something that they forgot to put in the script.
If this show were about asexuals and how one or more of them might enter into various types of relationships under a variety of circumstances, I think we would have been keyed in. Same goes for any other unusual sexuality. BTW, researchers (google it!) believe a substantial portion of those 18-24 years of age may be claiming asexuality as an identity because it's a hot fad right now. I'm tempted to go with that.
You mention that Tin is attracted to women because he said he liked "big chests." I was in the closet for quite a while and used to pretend the same thing. Didn't make it true. WE JUST DON'T KNOW any of this stuff and insultingly, the plot doesn't fill us in. It could have been a really cool, exciting show if issues of asexuality, shyness, behavioral and time-related choices, gayness, straightness, etc. had been included. They weren't. Your imaginings don't count. For god's sake, was Tin EVER in the closet and PRETENDING to be straight? Or thought he was straight but had never been laid so he thinks he doesn't know? Who knows? The script doesn't tell us and doesn't care.
Another thing you implied I said but never did was that characters had to "prove their sexualities via sex." Nice try. Oh, and can you quote me where I wrote "how the hell can you like this show? It's shit!?" No, no you can't. Because I never wrote that. Honestly, without the stuff you put in my mouth, that I never said, you wouldn't have much to argue against.
Who would have thought Darren would be, when it matters most, the only one with some brains, heart and compassion brought to bear? Just so many plot holes in this show it's beyond absurd. So many questions/insights/answers/information just NOT PROVIDED. The show doesn't try to make us think one thing and then go the other; it just doesn't try to make us think anything?
Do KK and Tin have a physical relationship? Who knows? Who cares?
Do they share a bedroom in the apartment? Who knows? Who cares?
Is Tin straight, bi, gay, or some combination of all of the above? Who knows? Who cares?
Does Francesca fear that getting with Louis would prevent him from having kids? Who knows? Who cares?
KK does not seem mentally challenged, in fact he is brilliant and kind. Does he not see that Tin doesn't really love him? Who knows? Who cares?
Is Tim really so stupid that he thinks going along with a wedding he doesn't want is cool because KK saved him from a haunted apartment? Was the apt. really haunted? If not,, who was throwing sheets around and what was up with the fan and light working on no electricity? Who knows? Who cares?
Has SM has zero personal life for a year? Who knows? Who cares?
There are all these amazing possibilities for background developments and clues to characters' motivations and behaviors, and this show, just like the Japanese original, makes use of none of them. Started as a near-10/10. Now it's a 2/10. Maybe the finale will take me to a 1/10.
Daon continues to be creepy in his "niceness." He stands around observing others and commenting/dispensing advice like a condescending uncle. Annoying.
What's up with this bizarre concept that you should only be nice to one person...the one you have romantic feelings for? If I was Daon I would have told that girl who told him off for being nice to her to stuff it. Why didn't he just say "I'm nice to everyone. If you can't handle it, f**k off?" Oh...that wouldn't have been..."nice." But at least she might have taken the hint.
Shin Woo is adorable, though definitely psycho over whatever happened to him the last time he had the feels for a guy. Though sometimes his rude way of "being nice" to TK is outright hostile. lol
I still won't be surprised if the big twist is that TK is an experimental android controlled by the Korean government.
That girl who stalks Daon needs a few good bitch-slaps. If three years of failed stalking doesn't do the trick, more of the same while you insult and annoy his friends probably isn't going to work either.
Finally, once again I have to say there is a certain ugliness/viciousness in some tones of the Korean language, like when that bratty girl told off Daon. When she ordered him not to treat people "this way" in the future, it was in evidence. It's very hostile and confrontational and I run into it in every Korean drama I ever watch. Sometimes it escalates to a pure, belligerent hatefulness that leaves me speechless. I would paraphrase the tone I'm talking about as "you should definitely kill yourself, you worthless piece of shit."
I've seen it in feature films where even a mother gets angry at a son and says horrible things to him, etc. Korean society is probably the most high-pressure, conservative, appearances-matter, judgemental, and shaming of all the high-pressure Asian countries, and it is also the suicide capital of the industrialized world. I wonder if that vicious tone that sometimes takes my breath away is somehow connected to that.
When this show began, I wasn't sure about the chemistry between Sun and Sky, but it has really taken off in the last couple of eps. Totally shipping.
I already have a weak spot for Gun and his crooked smile/pillow-lips ever since he was Techno in LBC, but when Boat shot him that long-awaited smile near the end of this ep...wow. :D
I love faking a nightmare about your mom's shooting to get your crush to sleep in the same bed with you overnight.
"I can see young master's...thing." LOL
This is the first BL in a long time during which I actually felt feels during the slip-fall-catch cliche. Tingles.
Sky and Sun and the martial arts training sessions were hilarious. I sensed there was ointment in the future.
As far as most else of what you wrote, I'm not sure why you did because you basically just rehashed the plot. I KNOW Daon and SW were friends, I know SW is jealous, that's why all of this is happening. I also think Daon is twisting the knife; there's a reason he asks TK to do stuff with him when SW is there to hear it. I think it's to MAKE SW jealous on purpose. Maybe I'm wrong; we'll see.
SW is being obtuse, however, in not acknowledging how often TK chases after him to make nice and try to be friends. That's a BL cliche; poor communication and making assumptions that are not well-grounded.
I'll stay with my feeling that Daon, TK and SW are ALL a little spooky, each in their own way. Daon and SW have been stifling rage for years, each for different reasons. We'll see what happens next.
Oh well...this show is weird anyway and down to a 3/10 from me so this is just another ice berg to hit the sinking ship.