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this just made me realise that people do not know what a “gray character” means

I was about to say that’s not gray 💀 that’s pitch black

I’m all for the criticism, in fact I’m the king of criticism, but sometimes I feel like on MDL people who are criticising aren’t watching the show they’re criticising and just throw some common repetitive stuff here even tho it doesn’t make any sense.

“it’s the same basic thing we’ve seen hundred times” where? where have we seen a guy kidnapping the future love of his life to get money for his brother’s surgery, falling in love with him and having an existential crisis bc he’s ready to die for him and actually considers putting the life of his beloved brother who is his world in danger bc he’s in love. A son of a cop whose dad is disappointed in him and puts duty over his safety, who is having a severe PTSD after his mom’s death during kidnapping and falls in love when he yet again kidnapped?? I’ve watched about 1000 BLs from all the countries in the world, I do not remember such plot.

“gmm doesn’t have a courage to write morally gray characters” so a guy kidnapping someone to save his brother’s life and then mentally destroying someone he loves bc of life obstacles is white to you? or is it black? 😂 Min really is the definition of gray right now.

“the story is typical extreme vanilla” I wish I could see it like that honestly, but besides MinQ being a true melting delicious ice-cream chemistry together, none of this is vanilla. The part when your mom died on your hands and your whole life you’re being kidnapped and tortured which enhances your PTSD no one gives a f*ck about is vanilla? Or the fact that his love just chose to mentally destroy him after giving him hope that he might just finally be safe and loved by saying that in fact no sane person would agree to this right after he called himself a plague?

I know vanilla beans are sometimes bitter, maybe that’s what you mean.

Also stuff like “how someone gets away from three guys in a car?” Idk guys, how James Bond escapes from 100 people shooting at him without any injuries and then shoots all 100 of them with 5 bullets? are we watching fictional action or are we watching a documentary here? go sit with ppl who are still bitching about joker’s tattoos. is it THAT important to you in unserious fictional action?

But at least many rightfully admit that it’s not what they thought it would be. I’m ready to bet 100$ that no one who’s watching could’ve guess that Min would do that. And for the first time it’s not bc it’s illogical, it’s freaking bc we’re upset, but we GET IT, but we SUPER UPSET WITH HIM, but at the same time WE GET IT. And it’s a war in mind, bc there is no right answer tbh. It’s bad what he did, but isn’t putting Mhen in a situation Q’s dad put Q in by giving him no chance to live a normal life is fair??? NO. it’s his little brother who his whole life was his everything. So you sit and think about while being mad.

And Q is one of the most precious characters lately. Both are actually so interesting and complex and none of it is black and white.

Like there are a lot of things to critique in this one and to laugh about 100%, but just not what someone wrote here. I really miss reviews and discussions from people who are actually watching, not the “I hate GMM” and “Thai BL sucks” ones. Or those “go watch Korean and Japanese, here is no depth”. The amount of comments about the actual shows are really rare these days. It’s mostly some sheets about some general things about Thai bl that people repeat in every comment section, even when thing clearly stands out. I get that for character analysis you go to besties, tumblr or Reddit, but honestly I miss times when comments were interesting and you could actually have fun discussing on air shows with both who likes and dislikes it and argue who is right and who is wrong.

When you do something completely new it’s not lazy. You can hate it and dislike the turn of events (like me with Trainee), but lazy it’s not. Lazy is when you put 4 pairings in one university show and they don’t even have any character in them, it’s really just all that you’ve seen before but all are cheering bc it’s a lot of familiar faces shoved in one square meter. But let’s not call something different lazy at least. You can dislike it yes, but valid points please. Like we get it Thai BL isn’t your thing, you prefer Western, Korean and Japanese. Maybe it’s just not your type and you don’t get the culture, like some do not get Indian films. If you are unsatisfied with ALL of the Thai BLs CONSTANTLY, consider that maybe it’s not a bad script maybe its just not your thing. Truly, it can be that.

Also can someone pls explain, bc I can’t afford not understanding a GMM show, I’m scared for my brain activity 😂 if Q truly believed what Min said about the fact that he can’t risk his brother’s life like that, Q would never come back and invaded their family like that. Right?? Right? After his mom’s death I truly don’t believe he would do that after Min’s words.

He got the idea of coming back and finding him after he had a flashback about Min saying how he would push him away if he would be in danger for his safety. And what’s with the talk of “he can’t love anybody until he loves himself, so here’s the plan…” The plan was to fully mentally destroy him? The plan was for him to become selfish for once in his life and be like “I know I’m putting your lives in danger, but it’s not my fault and I have the right to have a family too even tho my dad is like this”??? This was the plan??

Bc if the point is that they’re both so selfishly in love that they can’t stay away despite the fact that innocent’s man life in between is involved is kinda funny. I’m sorry, Mhen, in this case, I will probably stan them.

I would go off about how much I adore ohmleng’s chemistry, but while I’m in my angsty state I gotta say despite seemingly unserious plot, the more I think about it, the sadder it gets.

I’ve always had a very strong opinion that if you’re a cop and you want to take extra super dangerous cases with no regards for your life, you are prohibited to have a kid. A partner, yes, if they’re okay with your lifestyle bc you’re both adults and it’s your own decision. But giving life to a kid and giving him no option but to live in constant danger is wild to me. Being okay with the fact that your kid is constantly being kidnapped/tortured and living in some safe houses (not gmm ones lmao) his whole life?? Absolute insanity.

And the fact that he didn’t even give him proper care after his mom’s horrible death and his near death experience and just dgaf that he has full on panic attacks each night, makes me want to cry. The fact that Q grew up so wonderful is some sorcery. That he’s still willing to open up his heart after this is and even is gonna fight for his love HIMSELF after what happened in THIS episode? I can’t even begin to say how impressed I am with the dude.

And how he shakes everything off and smiles after all of his near death experiences even though clearly he’s not okay, I find it hard to watch. He’s laughing in the hospital and I’m nearly crying. They made it like kinda a “romantic novel” seriousness, not like reality serious, but then I actually think about the situation and this shit is so freaking sad. Like I honestly do not know how much love he needs Min to give him to heal all that. Seems impossible to me, but surprise me.

I didn’t like how they treated him at all in this episode. He fought really hard, he tried to keep Mhen safe and all he got for this is like “trololo sike actually you’re not part of the family, I didn’t think reality would be this harsh, on words it was good, but your dad is right, you need to go”. I know the goal was to push him away, but damn that’s extra painful.

Anyways Q is MVP of the show. I can feel that he’s going to become one of my faves.

About Min… something is not adding up. To me he doesn’t seem like a person who would back down on his own words or who gets reality and movie confused and would be like “I didn’t expect the reality would be like this”. And why after knowing Q’s mom story, he’d trust his dad’s plan to keep Q safe? This makes no sense to me. Imo it clearly seemed like he knew very well what he’s signing up for.

Also poor Mhen, first “bc of him” Min started to do illegal stuff and kidnapping ppl, now he’s breaking up with Q “bc of him”. did he ask the man if he wants to be indirectly responsible for this? that would be really upsetting to me.

But.. BUT If they truly made the main “hero” back down on everything he said, that’d be really crazy lol. And I kinda like that it’s not the usual turn. I thought they would go the classic route and Q would say smth nasty to push him away to keep him safe, bc that’s how it usually goes. It’s kinda an interesting turn of events, now I’m curious even. I know Min would suck his face next ep as an apology on the road and something tells me there would be no repercussions bc Q is clearly way too deep. I know he lied, but I would still kick him in the nuts and I know he won’t.

Yeah, I don’t have anything against it, it might fit the storyline sometimes, but it’s just not my thing, I’m all about shameless ppl, this “blushing virgin” theme always annoyed me. I really love flirty and confident, so when they fought and Joke was taunting him by scratching his chin and belly, I was on the moon. I can’t deny that I’m disappointed with degradation. There’s nothing wrong with shy and cute, but that’s just not my type. Again it’s ok tho.

sadly I have already reached the stage where the pair of actors (even my mega faves) can’t keep me watching smth if it’s not interesting or not my thing anymore, but I was at your stage too so I get the feeling lol

oh nah, I for sure didn’t expect these two to be “darker”, but I also for sure didn’t expect J&J at times to behave like shy 5year-olds in kindergarten lol

imo plot is just not very exciting since you can predict everything and romance aspect is also very chill so far, but it’s ok they’re still cute

What I expected: hatred to passion, action-packed, unhinged and unserious.

What I get: chill, at times slice of life with 2 extra softies, who clearly do not belong and don’t want to be in any criminal world pinky-promising with each other while dreaming about teaching children. and way too much laughs 😂 okkeyy I’m adapting quickly

And it’s good that it’s not what I thought it would be, bc I was afraid they’re gonna collide with THK airing one after another (since that one is also promoted as romcom hate to love criminal one), but after reading full plot of THK, I’m glad we’re all good.

Jack’s grandma would be besties with grandma from the Rebound lol thanks for adopting and feeding homeless gay ex-criminals, whose rich parents don’t give a damn about them

I still think three couples is too much for one show, I can only hope they won’t add the 4th one

the boss is a very lameass predictable villain, I kinda hope that chick would take over as a main villain and will add more fun

Rose I’m guessing is just annoying but not really bad, I think she’s gonna ship Jack&Joker and might just genuinely want him to be happy, by the poster I assume she’s in our team

I’m sorry, don’t throw tomatoes at me, I’m still very much enjoying the show lol

Did you really create a new account and named it “sweet cat” when your first one is “beautiful cat” just to write the same thing twice?? Bc that’ll be hilarious 😂😂😂

We all can’t wait for your new account “brilliant cat” with another comment “jack and joker is much better. this script is weak like all gmm bls” tomorrow.

if everyone who “don’t have two expressions” is gonna be criticised, it’s indeed a great misfortune for all of us, it’s very hard to make only two specifically. I don’t think yinwar fit your standards 😂😂😂

Ofc you’re a FK fan, I should’ve known from the way you spoke. Life doesn’t teach ppl anything it seems. I wish you well, but also wish you stayed away from yinwar fandom tbh

If you don’t care about actor’s opinions why are you so far up their asses then? (it’s a rhetorical question, do not answer😂)

😂😂🤣 oh 100%, I’m enjoying both of these. if you like the shows who don’t take themselves seriously, you’ll have a great time with J&J too, it’s silly in a very charming way and the quality is good :) the chemistry also chemistrying from the start, so you don’t have to wait trillion years

I saw a lot of your comments already and I know that you have an unhealthy obsession and hate towards gmm actors. And by your icon and all of your other comments it’s pretty clear that you ARE in a fandom.

You ofc can say whatever you want, it’s a free space after all, but understand that Thai is not Hollywood, in Thai industry everything is holding on fandoms and you don’t want to become the one everyone avoids like a plague. We already have several like this, I would be devastated to see this happen to my faves. So please do not put Yinwar on a pedestal by degrading everyone else. You need to calm down a bit about them being the best of the best while all the others are trash. You can keep the first part only (even tho it’s also kinda cringe). But there are other ways to say that people are very talented.

I’m just saying, but you can do you ofc. Just realise that none of the actors would want such fans. It’s been said by many that they do not appreciate stuff like this.

You’re already yourself is bias and ignorant if you truly think J&J’s script is great. As much as I adore the show, the script is hella silly, so in that case you’re also blind lol

oh no, dude, please, don’t turn yinwar fandom into one of those, we love them too much for this to happen. you can praise someone without putting others down

also the script is pretty unserious in both so far, if we’re being honest, but pls let us enjoy both without your unnecessary wars

I don’t think you understand at all what am I talking about but okay. I’ll try to explain a bit. School genre can be dark or light depending on the series. Same with the criminal genre, it can also be dark or comedic or even a dark comedy. Just bc drama is situated in an office it’s doesn’t automatically mean it’s funny. And just because the drama is a detective doesn’t automatically mean that it has to be serious.

There are dark action movies and comedic action movies. All are valid. Calling something bland just bc it has comedic aspect is… interesting. Idk why for you added comedy means that the series itself already is not interesting. Even though it’s clearly smth new in BL. Dark series do not automatically means good series. In fact they can also be bland and boring, whether you want to believe it or not. Dark is not a synonym for “interesting”.

yeah it was a whole uproar in twitter back in the days, bc GMM put out an official statement about changing the title, bc ohmnanon fans didn’t believe it was a romance lol

It’s the full Thai name of the show “Kidnap: Secret contract for love” like “Jack & Joker: U steal my heart”

Jack & Joker 😂 people over there are also complaining that it’s not dark and realistic enough

this is not a school genre show, this is a very original show. I asked why it has to be dark realism and tragic, criminal comedy is not what we usually see in BLs