I think Joong hadn't had that 'cancelation' moment yet. this is the first time I've heard about him being homophobic?
If he had previously said that he was interested in men and was gay - he wouldn't have been asked if he was dating girls.
Additionally, I think given the prominence of how frequently a BL actor suspected of being Gay ends up having a girlfriend I think many female fans would low key relieved to find out that he wouldn't date a women and was actually angry at the suggestion he would.
Thank you, I thought I was the only one! Never got the appeal of Bad Buddy. Ohm and Nanon are decent, but I never…
I'm unfortunately more curious as to why you say Nanon is the lorax of the homophobes? I'm not all that familiar with Nanon - I'm a huge fan of Ohm tho. I'm assuming this has something to do with their alleged falling out?
I'm not even concerned with the actors in real life to be honest - I don't care if their together or anything like that. I don't like homophobia tho. Calling Nanon the lorax... you must feel strongly about that - may I ask why?
Thank you, I thought I was the only one! Never got the appeal of Bad Buddy. Ohm and Nanon are decent, but I never…
Well I admit I haven't seen since it aired and I'll make a point to go back and re-watch it. My own standards have increased substantially over the past 2 years and perhaps nostalgia is clouding my judgement.
in my opinion, this is not as toxic as TharnType for example, but it's not untoxic either? hahahaha considering…
This is primary divide - I don't feel that there are consent issues. That said, one of the characters does protest at times and the other doesn't allow it.
The reasons we say no sometimes matter as much as what we are saying. In this case one of the characters was denying himself what he wanted bc of society.
The hardest part of this to convey is that this is a relationship between equal men - neither of them are weak.
There are 100% issues in the novel - I don't recommend you read it but the drama isn't as cut and dry.
Thank you, I thought I was the only one! Never got the appeal of Bad Buddy. Ohm and Nanon are decent, but I never…
I thought Bad Buddy was more of anti-trope production than anything else - on that effect it was fantastically done.
To really appreciate the show you almost to have been exposed to the BL world 0f 19' 20' and 21' as the show has many scenes dedicated to ridiculing/calling out many previous productions way of doing things... THAT was the plot really.
I think the era of good Asian bls is over. Okay! Maybe it's in recess.
Right now there is an influx of new shows bc of how much attention BL gets - it makes money. In the past many shows made on a shoe string budget generated fair amounts of money and unfortunately many shows were/are made solely to "get rich quick" and that obviously doesn't make for a quality production. This is why it feels like there are "too many" new BLs - its not a quantity issue, its quality.
We wouldn't be complaining if 2023 had 50 shows released on the level of the "8th Sense" - we would watch them all eventually and be very happy about it. If we watch 50 meh shows of course we wouldn't want to invest that much of our time.
Now is when we'll start to see the studios and directors that actually want to make gay content rise to the top and finish redefining the genre. Eventually our tastes will be more refined and our expectations of quality much higher - we really won't watch crap, tropey, cash grab productions anymore. By monopolizing our attention the higher quality productions will become even more valuable - advertisers will be increasingly less likely to finance projects not made by well established studios/directors/writers/etc.
In my opinion, there’s a difference between creating a story without skinship because you don’t think it’s…
See there is the rub tho - as raykyleevans very eloquently stated:
"But if basic expressions of love such as holding hands or kissing isn’t even allowed, it defeats the whole purpose. It’s like saying that being gay is somewhat okay, as long as you don’t completely show it. I don’t want to support this kind of ideology, whether it comes from the studio, the writers, or the country."
That isn't a political issue. Political issues are debatable, changeable and evolve with time and people - human rights do not.
I'm not trying to say you actually must boycott Chinese shows but I'm not going to let paint over a very nuanced and complicated issue so lightly.
It is not great that we are in a timeline where "Censored Adaptation of Same-Sex Romance" exists - it really sucks actually.
There are prolly more gay men in China than in the entire Western hemisphere - can't be fun for them either.
The Eighth Sense hits different - it is like a breath of fresh air I didn't know I needed. I've seen 2 episodes and I'm confident that artistically you just raised the bar. A commenter on Viki said that "feels like we're watching something new" and it truly does.
Regardless where the show goes from here - you've already changed things. I'm excited to see what else you do. Very well done!
I don't have a problem with letting them get away with the angle kiss as of right now (I can take it as Won Young's…
I really don't think it is ok anymore. I don't think it ever was. Do these same male actors have the same difficulty kissing women in other roles? Do Directors pander to their behavior in straight Korean drama to the extent we've seen in Korean BL?
How can an actor tell his girlfriend or wife that kissing a female co-star is strictly professional and for work but kissing a male co-star, professionally and for work, is different/uncomfortable. How can one matter and the other not?
It is an actors job to personify their characters to the best of their ability. Many Korean BLs obviously don't give anywhere near 100% effort regarding intimacy - everyone involved in these projects know that - it's only acceptable bc its gay content.
Can't have those Idols look too gay.
*Full Disclaimer - I haven't seen a minute of this show.
I really loathed Tonhon Chonlatee, despite the great cast. The writing was offensive. Ai Long Nhai is pretty bad,…
I also loathed Tonhon Chonlatee. I didn't think Ai Long Nhai was all that bad - it wasn't very original and a little over dramatic but there is some stuff I really enjoyed. I love the Dads.
Additionally, I think given the prominence of how frequently a BL actor suspected of being Gay ends up having a girlfriend I think many female fans would low key relieved to find out that he wouldn't date a women and was actually angry at the suggestion he would.
I'm not even concerned with the actors in real life to be honest - I don't care if their together or anything like that. I don't like homophobia tho. Calling Nanon the lorax... you must feel strongly about that - may I ask why?
The reasons we say no sometimes matter as much as what we are saying. In this case one of the characters was denying himself what he wanted bc of society.
The hardest part of this to convey is that this is a relationship between equal men - neither of them are weak.
There are 100% issues in the novel - I don't recommend you read it but the drama isn't as cut and dry.
To really appreciate the show you almost to have been exposed to the BL world 0f 19' 20' and 21' as the show has many scenes dedicated to ridiculing/calling out many previous productions way of doing things... THAT was the plot really.
We wouldn't be complaining if 2023 had 50 shows released on the level of the "8th Sense" - we would watch them all eventually and be very happy about it. If we watch 50 meh shows of course we wouldn't want to invest that much of our time.
Now is when we'll start to see the studios and directors that actually want to make gay content rise to the top and finish redefining the genre. Eventually our tastes will be more refined and our expectations of quality much higher - we really won't watch crap, tropey, cash grab productions anymore. By monopolizing our attention the higher quality productions will become even more valuable - advertisers will be increasingly less likely to finance projects not made by well established studios/directors/writers/etc.
This is just natural progression really.
"But if basic expressions of love such as holding hands or kissing isn’t even allowed, it defeats the whole purpose. It’s like saying that being gay is somewhat okay, as long as you don’t completely show it. I don’t want to support this kind of ideology, whether it comes from the studio, the writers, or the country."
That isn't a political issue. Political issues are debatable, changeable and evolve with time and people - human rights do not.
I'm not trying to say you actually must boycott Chinese shows but I'm not going to let paint over a very nuanced and complicated issue so lightly.
It is not great that we are in a timeline where "Censored Adaptation of Same-Sex Romance" exists - it really sucks actually.
There are prolly more gay men in China than in the entire Western hemisphere - can't be fun for them either.
The eighth sense is called interoception - it is the awareness of our internal body. It is worth a search 😄
I've deleted like 3 different summaries of my feelings about this show.
I'm really enjoying it. If you have yet to watch it - I strongly suggest doing so.
The Eighth Sense hits different - it is like a breath of fresh air I didn't know I needed. I've seen 2 episodes and I'm confident that artistically you just raised the bar. A commenter on Viki said that "feels like we're watching something new" and it truly does.
Regardless where the show goes from here - you've already changed things. I'm excited to see what else you do. Very well done!
And you are quite a handsome man 😉
How can an actor tell his girlfriend or wife that kissing a female co-star is strictly professional and for work but kissing a male co-star, professionally and for work, is different/uncomfortable. How can one matter and the other not?
It is an actors job to personify their characters to the best of their ability. Many Korean BLs obviously don't give anywhere near 100% effort regarding intimacy - everyone involved in these projects know that - it's only acceptable bc its gay content.
Can't have those Idols look too gay.
*Full Disclaimer - I haven't seen a minute of this show.
We are on the same page with Meen though