I wonder when kdrama writers will get rid of that ridiculous trope of "childhood friends-future lovers" thing.…
Hmm... Beg to differ. I don't see it as lazy writing... It's more a matter of people's fantasies that never happen in real life but you hope it did. Dunno how old you are, but when you get to my age '(late 30s)... the amount of missed opportunities for some of us is high. So it plays into that fantasy of reuniting with your first love, and fixing that lifelong regret of "if only I..."
Yes it's unrealistic... But at the same time most k dramas are. I mean we don't all look like models who happen to meet by chance some rich and handsome dude in the street who just happens to be single, nice, intelligent, dreamy, (occasionally not even realizing how great he is) with rock solid six packs and solely devoted to his one true love in spite of being surrounded by gorgeous girls ( ah yeah the heroine is supposed to be plain but is obviously beautiful but plain because she is so modest only the hero and his rival realizes how pretty she is... yadayadayada).
Romance is the go-to genre for something predictable. You don't watch a romance for the unexpected... you watch thrillers for that.
Kim Jung Hyun... I like you... But not enough to subject myself to another family drama. I've been burnt enough by the genre... But I wish you success.
I love reading comments of people predicting this is going to suck compared to the first season when nothing has been aired yet. I wouldn't even say anything if it was an open ending but let's be honest here... It was NOT an ending period.
Currently rewatching it for the first time. Strangely like it more the second time around than the first... so I rated it up to 10. But probably because I can now binge it whereas I watched it through its verryyyyy long 14 weeks run the first time. Best NC scenes out of all BL dramas I've watched, beautifully filmed without being too graphic. Cinematography is top notch.
I know everybody is raving about Vegas/Pete but my favorite pairing is still Kinn/Porsche.
Morally very gray but the actors sold it to me. I'm just sad we haven't seen the likes of it for the past 2 years... Expecting good things from 4 minutes but can't wait to see Shine next year.
Be On Clouds always deliver.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that I just LOVE Big's haircut. Best haircut in the whole drama. Fits the actor's face to a T.
EDIT 2: Ah yeah... Kinn/Porsche is something but I had forgotten how sick the Vegas/ Pete ship was... To really enjoy this series, the best thing is let your moral values at the door and just understand this is a twisted world were the "normality" is just madness. Otherwise there's just too many problematic things to get through. The casting is just perfect because it just works. I don't think it would have been that effective with less charismatic actors.
I demand my lungs back. I'm sat here unable to breathe, think, and march forward because I'm longing just as hard…
I think the end was pretty clear and although bittersweet, it was actually a happy one for Wang.
In is stuck with his old demons, unable to move on from his own trauma, his guilt and self-hate... whereas Wang is going to move on with his life. While Wang's homophobic and self-centered mother thinks she has won the war with her son and In... just like she thought she did with her former husband... She's deluding herself.
Wang needs her and her money in order to be able to stand on his own two feet but everything that happened just showed how much her mother only cares about her and protecting her little world. She does love him... but only the him that fits the little perfect world she's build for herself that is built on lies and self-delusion.
Anyway, the way I see it. Wang just understands that there's no point fighting with his mother now. If In supported him, that would be another story, but he is too young to fight for himself. He still needs her for now. But in his inner monologue, you can see he embraces the person he is and that he is just bidding his time. There will come a day when he'll be independent, and his mother will try to tie him down but it won't work. He's not his father... and he is not In either. He's seen what her mother's toxic "love" has led them to. Ultimately, he'll meet somebody who will love him proudly and will leave the nest... unlike In who remained a coward to the end, stuck in the same place. Knowing himself for who he is but not courageous enough to face the consequences of what that entails. He's gay. It's never gonna be easy for him but he has a life to live and if people around him can't accept it, so be it. Instead he does nothing. He's stuck in place and in time.
It's more a story of growing up and embracing yourself more than a doomed love-story. Instead of homophobia, they could have changed it for religion, say being non-religious with a very religious mother for instance and falling in love with an atheist... And it still would have worked. Or falling in love with somebody of a different social status, or a different race in a racist family or whatever. Still works.
Drama wasn't my type but the performance was great. I couldn't bear the mother for the life of me which is why I gave it an 8 but her lines were... unfortunately very realistic. I don't regret watching this... but this is the type of shows I stay away from... Too heavy, too painful even if the end was hopeful at least for Wang.
Dunno why I came here... But this drama did leave a deep impression. I think of it from time to time.
That dinner/dance scene near the end of the episode should not be missed for the cringe factor alone. It deserves…
Lolz. I'm sure somebody is going to put a compilation of the worst cringe moment on youtube at some point so I'm not too worried but thanks for the heads up ^^ EDIT: That leg lift... Ok... I'll check it out :D EDIT 2: I'm talking about the dance scene... Not the whole episode obviously. On that front I'm done.
So... I was going to give this show one last chance to redeem itself this week... But reading the comment section (and having a field day with it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ) That won't be necessary. Dropping this. I hang on for 4 weeks, that's a third of the series which is already an achievement in itself. This being said... I'll probably secretly stalk this comment section. I mean... Not gonna lie, the comments are funny 😆😆😆
There are two versions available... Strangely I didn't see them on iQIYI before but just before watching the last…
Sorry I just noticed a mistake I made in my comment that I just corrected. I personnally watched only the Uncut Version and noticed yesterday that the CUT-version was available for free up to episode 11. Sorry for the mistake.
Is there a big difference between the cut/uncut version? (I mean are there a lot cut scenes or is it just in one…
There are two versions available... Strangely I didn't see them on iQIYI before but just before watching the last episode I noticed the cut version was uploaded up to episode 11 and apparently available for free.
As for the differences... I honestly don't know... but I think there must be a couple of them because there are some NC scenes though they are pretty tame in my opinion.
Episode 12. Finale. If I was Joe and saw that bastard Tong standing over my dying body I would say fuck it I'm…
Yeah... I initially rated it 9.5... But I couldn't get past the lack of Karma either so it ended up with a 9... I think it objectively deserves less... but I love this toxic couple too much to give a lower rating also... It was just frustratingly fun instead of just frustrating. But yeah Tong can go to hell for all I care.
EDIT: Nah giving it a 9.5 in the end. In the end. I just love this show... messy bits and all.
This was a very flawed show... Some characters got off veryyyyyyyyy easily given all the sh*** they pulled Joe through ( I'm looking at you Tong 😒😒😒).
But at the end of the day, I was thoroughly entertained for 12 weeks. As frustrating as some things were... I really loved Joe as a character and even if Ming didn't do enough groveling in my book ( especially compared to the novel), he still grew on me. Some changes made in the last episode compared to the novel were unrealistic and too easy...
But like Lovely Runner this year... I don't care for the flaws and the plotholes. Because I love this pair too much. I totally get it if people rate if lower... But for me, it was entertaining and Poom and Up really sold this couple like crazy. They had amazing chemistry on and off screen. It was entertaining while it lasted. So it's a solid 9.5 for me.
And I'll be following Poom's projects from now on, be it BL or not. He's such an eye-candy also I love his acting. I don't know if it's the writing of his characters or just his inner personally but he makes me smile when he's on screen so I'll be cheering him on.
Probably going to stay in my top 3 BLs for this year... Strong competition coming in the next few weeks, so we'll see if it stays there given there's a couple of other BLs I'm interested in that came out this year that I've yet to see.
Thank You My Stand In. You were great. Definitely going to read the whole novel ( though I already heavily flipped through it) once I manage to find the time.
Some dialouge seems mixed up. Like when lin goes "i only know the basics" and then sun replies "i didn't know…
Still chat GPT style... I didn't notice what you mentioned because when I watched this episode, the lines weren't translated on iQIYI so I had to watch that "multilingual scene" with Korean subs and it wasn't switched ( I don't know what's happening with this series and Love Sea, but I've been watching both these series switching between English and Korean subs because for some reasons , not all lines are translated or appear on my screen. Sometimes it's not even translated in both languages but fortunately so far only for simple sentences so even if I don't have subs, I can understand the untranslated thai parts).
Also I didn't bother to mention it because It's not like foreign languages aren't butchered in most dramas but the French was terrible. The supposed french dude was using "vous" which is "you" in English but formal ( equivalent of "usted" in Spanish) and Salin answered with "tu" which is also you but informal ( equivalent of "tu" in spanish) which is rude.
Salin didn't know the basics. He googled the first sentence you learn in French and then just spit it out. When Sun acted impressed, I was just baffled. Seriously Sun? If you are dealing with jewelry, given France positioning on luxury brands you should at least learn the basic sentences " Bonjour, comment allez-vous?" and its answer" Très bien, merci. Et vous?" 30 seconds on google tops.
Anyway... 2 new BLs that came out this week in which I'm more interested... "Century of Love" and "Meet You at the Blossom"... "4 minutes" is also coming out on the 26th... Lots of apparently much more interesting BLs coming up and since I'm also into non-BL shows... with work and other stuffs... I'm thinking hmm... I should probably drop this. Also for some unknown reason... I've just gotten the urge to rewatch "Kinnporsche" so there's that.
So... I'm not really sure I'll manage to keep on watching this if they don't pick up their game this week...
I'm giving this show one LAST CHANCE.
And please give Salin's friends some form of external life. Nobody behaves like this at their age. They're behaving like middle schoolers.
And the award of the shittiest uncle EVER goes to Jeong Jin Man. Great action scenes and cinematography... But I couldn't care less for any of these characters except for the niece, Min Hye and Pasin. Spent too much time with the vilains... Spoiled the whole series for me. I'll be watching the second season if it ever comes out to see the final show down by pure curiosity but nope... didn't like it.
The dialogues in this series have been written by Chat GPT. No one can convince me otherwise. I thought I could manage to watch this by bits of 10 minutes ( yeah I'm into sadomasochism)... But I'm on the verge of dropping it at least 5 to 6 times per episodes...
There are shows that are way less terrible that I would have dropped earlier. I'm probably just sticking with it because of the fantasy/mystery aspect that was hinted at in the trailer.
My theory is, there's probably not enough fantasy related plot to fill 12 episodes so they decided to fill each episode with a whole lot of nothing. If you have nothing to tell, just make a shorter series with less episodes and of 45 minutes length instead 1 hour.
iQIYI should have given the money for at least 4 episodes of this mess to "My Stand In". That one is having a rushed end to a messy but very entertaining show, while this one is draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggging a veryyyyyy borrriiiiiiiiiiiiing plot. Also they're using the same sets so they could have switched places no problem.
At this point, it's become a personal challenge. Will I manage to watch this cringey fest up to the end? There lies the question.
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Beg to differ.
I don't see it as lazy writing... It's more a matter of people's fantasies that never happen in real life but you hope it did.
Dunno how old you are, but when you get to my age '(late 30s)... the amount of missed opportunities for some of us is high. So it plays into that fantasy of reuniting with your first love, and fixing that lifelong regret of "if only I..."
Yes it's unrealistic... But at the same time most k dramas are. I mean we don't all look like models who happen to meet by chance some rich and handsome dude in the street who just happens to be single, nice, intelligent, dreamy, (occasionally not even realizing how great he is) with rock solid six packs and solely devoted to his one true love in spite of being surrounded by gorgeous girls ( ah yeah the heroine is supposed to be plain but is obviously beautiful but plain because she is so modest only the hero and his rival realizes how pretty she is... yadayadayada).
Romance is the go-to genre for something predictable. You don't watch a romance for the unexpected... you watch thrillers for that.
I like you... But not enough to subject myself to another family drama. I've been burnt enough by the genre... But I wish you success.
I wouldn't even say anything if it was an open ending but let's be honest here... It was NOT an ending period.
I know everybody is raving about Vegas/Pete but my favorite pairing is still Kinn/Porsche.
Morally very gray but the actors sold it to me. I'm just sad we haven't seen the likes of it for the past 2 years... Expecting good things from 4 minutes but can't wait to see Shine next year.
Be On Clouds always deliver.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that I just LOVE Big's haircut. Best haircut in the whole drama. Fits the actor's face to a T.
EDIT 2: Ah yeah... Kinn/Porsche is something but I had forgotten how sick the Vegas/ Pete ship was... To really enjoy this series, the best thing is let your moral values at the door and just understand this is a twisted world were the "normality" is just madness. Otherwise there's just too many problematic things to get through.
The casting is just perfect because it just works. I don't think it would have been that effective with less charismatic actors.
In is stuck with his old demons, unable to move on from his own trauma, his guilt and self-hate... whereas Wang is going to move on with his life. While Wang's homophobic and self-centered mother thinks she has won the war with her son and In... just like she thought she did with her former husband... She's deluding herself.
Wang needs her and her money in order to be able to stand on his own two feet but everything that happened just showed how much her mother only cares about her and protecting her little world. She does love him... but only the him that fits the little perfect world she's build for herself that is built on lies and self-delusion.
Anyway, the way I see it. Wang just understands that there's no point fighting with his mother now. If In supported him, that would be another story, but he is too young to fight for himself. He still needs her for now. But in his inner monologue, you can see he embraces the person he is and that he is just bidding his time. There will come a day when he'll be independent, and his mother will try to tie him down but it won't work. He's not his father... and he is not In either. He's seen what her mother's toxic "love" has led them to. Ultimately, he'll meet somebody who will love him proudly and will leave the nest... unlike In who remained a coward to the end, stuck in the same place. Knowing himself for who he is but not courageous enough to face the consequences of what that entails. He's gay. It's never gonna be easy for him but he has a life to live and if people around him can't accept it, so be it. Instead he does nothing. He's stuck in place and in time.
It's more a story of growing up and embracing yourself more than a doomed love-story. Instead of homophobia, they could have changed it for religion, say being non-religious with a very religious mother for instance and falling in love with an atheist... And it still would have worked. Or falling in love with somebody of a different social status, or a different race in a racist family or whatever. Still works.
Drama wasn't my type but the performance was great. I couldn't bear the mother for the life of me which is why I gave it an 8 but her lines were... unfortunately very realistic.
I don't regret watching this... but this is the type of shows I stay away from... Too heavy, too painful even if the end was hopeful at least for Wang.
Dunno why I came here... But this drama did leave a deep impression. I think of it from time to time.
I'm sure somebody is going to put a compilation of the worst cringe moment on youtube at some point so I'm not too worried but thanks for the heads up ^^
EDIT: That leg lift... Ok... I'll check it out :D
EDIT 2: I'm talking about the dance scene... Not the whole episode obviously. On that front I'm done.
But reading the comment section (and having a field day with it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ) That won't be necessary.
Dropping this. I hang on for 4 weeks, that's a third of the series which is already an achievement in itself. This being said... I'll probably secretly stalk this comment section. I mean... Not gonna lie, the comments are funny 😆😆😆
I personnally watched only the Uncut Version and noticed yesterday that the CUT-version was available for free up to episode 11.
Sorry for the mistake.
As for the differences... I honestly don't know... but I think there must be a couple of them because there are some NC scenes though they are pretty tame in my opinion.
But yeah Tong can go to hell for all I care.
EDIT: Nah giving it a 9.5 in the end. In the end. I just love this show... messy bits and all.
But at the end of the day, I was thoroughly entertained for 12 weeks. As frustrating as some things were... I really loved Joe as a character and even if Ming didn't do enough groveling in my book ( especially compared to the novel), he still grew on me. Some changes made in the last episode compared to the novel were unrealistic and too easy...
But like Lovely Runner this year... I don't care for the flaws and the plotholes. Because I love this pair too much. I totally get it if people rate if lower... But for me, it was entertaining and Poom and Up really sold this couple like crazy. They had amazing chemistry on and off screen. It was entertaining while it lasted. So it's a solid 9.5 for me.
And I'll be following Poom's projects from now on, be it BL or not. He's such an eye-candy also I love his acting. I don't know if it's the writing of his characters or just his inner personally but he makes me smile when he's on screen so I'll be cheering him on.
Probably going to stay in my top 3 BLs for this year... Strong competition coming in the next few weeks, so we'll see if it stays there given there's a couple of other BLs I'm interested in that came out this year that I've yet to see.
Thank You My Stand In.
You were great.
Definitely going to read the whole novel ( though I already heavily flipped through it) once I manage to find the time.
Also I didn't bother to mention it because It's not like foreign languages aren't butchered in most dramas but the French was terrible. The supposed french dude was using "vous" which is "you" in English but formal ( equivalent of "usted" in Spanish) and Salin answered with "tu" which is also you but informal ( equivalent of "tu" in spanish) which is rude.
Salin didn't know the basics. He googled the first sentence you learn in French and then just spit it out. When Sun acted impressed, I was just baffled. Seriously Sun? If you are dealing with jewelry, given France positioning on luxury brands you should at least learn the basic sentences " Bonjour, comment allez-vous?" and its answer" Très bien, merci. Et vous?"
30 seconds on google tops.
Anyway... 2 new BLs that came out this week in which I'm more interested... "Century of Love" and "Meet You at the Blossom"...
"4 minutes" is also coming out on the 26th... Lots of apparently much more interesting BLs coming up and since I'm also into non-BL shows... with work and other stuffs... I'm thinking hmm... I should probably drop this. Also for some unknown reason... I've just gotten the urge to rewatch "Kinnporsche" so there's that.
So... I'm not really sure I'll manage to keep on watching this if they don't pick up their game this week...
I'm giving this show one LAST CHANCE.
And please give Salin's friends some form of external life. Nobody behaves like this at their age. They're behaving like middle schoolers.
Great action scenes and cinematography... But I couldn't care less for any of these characters except for the niece, Min Hye and Pasin. Spent too much time with the vilains... Spoiled the whole series for me.
I'll be watching the second season if it ever comes out to see the final show down by pure curiosity but nope... didn't like it.
I can't 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought I could manage to watch this by bits of 10 minutes ( yeah I'm into sadomasochism)... But I'm on the verge of dropping it at least 5 to 6 times per episodes...
There are shows that are way less terrible that I would have dropped earlier.
I'm probably just sticking with it because of the fantasy/mystery aspect that was hinted at in the trailer.
My theory is, there's probably not enough fantasy related plot to fill 12 episodes so they decided to fill each episode with a whole lot of nothing.
If you have nothing to tell, just make a shorter series with less episodes and of 45 minutes length instead 1 hour.
iQIYI should have given the money for at least 4 episodes of this mess to "My Stand In". That one is having a rushed end to a messy but very entertaining show, while this one is draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggging a veryyyyyy borrriiiiiiiiiiiiing plot. Also they're using the same sets so they could have switched places no problem.
At this point, it's become a personal challenge. Will I manage to watch this cringey fest up to the end? There lies the question.