I don't understand why this show has been censored in China. I don't care what I'm reading in the comment section. Girls who wants to see BLs everywhere have a tendency to overanalyze everything. One time I read this comment by a Japanese BL author who was travelling in Europe and said she was intrigued by the relationship of two men travelling together. Seriously? Unless they're kissing or holding hands, don't put your delusional fantasies on people.
Anyway... this show is good but the blatant anti-Americanism and Chinese propaganda really irks me. I'm currently at Episode 27 ( or 54) and it's turning ridiculous.
Mostly disagree with the whole article. Long time K drama lover here. I started watching them in 2005 when the only way to watch any was to rely on downloading torrents from a website called d-addicts which provided engrish subs ( the website still exists btw, but torrents have been removed), at the time d-addicts provided Asian drama entertainment mostly from Japan, Taiwan and China but K dramas were by far the most popular. Than got to know the golden era of withs2 subs and other fansubbing teams who contributed a LOT to the birth and rise of specialized streaming websites such as Viki before Netflix and the rest decided to dive their toe in it.
The popularity of K dramas started way back with Winter Sonata in 2002 in Japan and from then on, it spread abroad. The beginning of the hallyu wave in Europe and North America can be traced back to My Girl and Goong which gave a huge boost to the genre, further reinforced by very popular dramas in subsequent years helped with the contribution of many long-forgotten fansubbing teams.
Nothing would have been possible without them and credits should be given when it's due. Same thing can be said for anime in Northern Europe. Though in my home country (France), anime have been popular since way back end of the 70s/ beginning of the 80s ( millenial talking here).
Old K dramas wouldn't fare well with modern audience because society changes and what appealed to audience in the past would probably irk most modern viewers now. On the contrary Koreans have managed to adapt their series to modern audience hence their popularity.
The only two things I agree with is:
1. Specially tailored shows for Netflix or Disney +. One of the appeal of K dramas is their lack of seasons... Fortunately it's still a minority of shows but I hope it stays that way. I also find them more violent or containing content to appeal to what is considered popular to western audience... which is one of the reason I scarcely watch them in the first place.
2. Korea doesn't produce as much thrillers compared to the past... And here it's more of a trend than anything. Korea produces what fares well in terms of audience and that's it. With almost 20 years of K drama watching ( to be more clear, I've only started Thai dramas 4 years ago, and C dramas 2/3 years ago but I've been watching Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean dramas from way back as well as a couple of Thai movies) I've seen lots of trends.
Melos in the early 2000s, followed by Sageuks ( and I mean real ones not the fusion sageuk type that you see everywhere these days) used to be what fared better for various reasons which I won't detail because this post is already too long, followed by thrillers and now we've been stuck with rom coms for a while. It's not that other genres are not produced... but they get less audience so they're less produced. But it's actually fairly easy to find what you're looking for if you bother to look for it. Especially since you no longer have to fight your way to find subs since literally everything is translated as far as Korea is concerned.
It reflects more on what people are craving based on their external circumstances than a drop of quality from said content. When the news only tell you, your life is doomed, of course you want to relax with a good rom com. Stories are tropey. Once you get past a certain age, you've literally seen everything. Every love story is the same love story. Every thriller has at its core the same story.
Appreciating K dramas doesn't mean you have to stick to it, but being in a k drama slump doesn't mean you have to disparage the whole genre altogether.
PS: RRR is a movie so err? Why is it listed here. Dark was a good show... but I wouldn't watch it twice. Friends? Seriously? Still don't understand the love for that show 1st: it's a sitcom. 2nd. There's literally 1000 seasons and some nonsensical plots per episode. Just like RRR I don't see exactly why it is used to compare. South Korea doesn't have lots of sitcoms but it does. Lets compare what can be compared shall we?
On Episode 1, reminds me of the Korean Dramas "Marrying a Millionaire". I remember the best part of this drama was the TV reality part and the ridiculous rivalry between women for the "price"... Unfortunately the show fell into the usual melodrama nightmare that was a stapple of k dramas in the early 2000s. Hopefully, with only 6 episodes, there won't be enough time for this here. So far the show is pretty colorful and fun to watch... also with a higher production value than most Thai dramas I've seen (thanks Netflix!). I personally don't watch reality TV but I've yet to find a single drama from any country that isn't fun when the premise is a reality show.
Had more fun with this part than the first one... but I think it's more because the groundwork's been done in the first movie so the second part wasn't confusing. Still not my beef though...
Dated the same actress for years, cheated, than instead of being courageous enough to assume the new relationship, stayed silent and got dumped. That's karma for you. Good for Hye Ri, she now knows he didn't deserve her and can move on to greener pastures. And good for So Hee as well, this is a woman who knows her own value. She stood by him even when she discovered he lied because she loved him but he didn't support her in spite of putting her in that mess in the first place. Good riddance for both of them.
Now he's on his own... and everybody's seen he's a coward so... err He can do like Song Joon Ki and get a foreign wife/girlfriend who won't care about his public disgrace and scandals.
Personally don't care about actor's personal lives, as long as the dude isn't a rapist, a beater's wife, a pedophile or a murderer, are we supposed to care about their private lives? He's an actor not a god. He's a person with a very public job, that's it. People cheat and lie. Not a good thing for sure, but if people were fired every time they did something morally wrong, life would be unbearable.
You can recognize somebody's professional qualities and not like them for their shitty character. You don't live with him so why do you care? As an actor, he's among the best of his generation.
Anyway the comments regarding his looks are just 🤮🤮🤮 Can't believe what I'm reading from some people.
Narration is non-linear which makes its understanding a bit difficult... but at some point you get where things are going. Didn't like it but curious enough to see the following movie... It's action packed and full of interesting ideas ( WTF did they smoke seriously?)... but it illustrates why I tend to prefer watching dramas than movies... Had a hard time connecting with any of the characters (too many and no time to breathe because LOTS of things are happening ALL the time) and there's also one thing I truly loathe which is kids not listening to adults and causing problem to others through their own sheer stupidity. For once, it would be great to see kids being in trouble not because they're disobedient idiots but for valid reasons.
Anyway... There's budget and if you like the humor that's probably a hit... I can't say it's a bad movie... But I honestly didn't like it... Wasn't my taste, but if you want lots of action, a bit of humor, great sceneries and CGIs I think you'll have a good time.
7.5 for me and as I said... I don't think I'll like the follow-up but I'm curious enough to tune in. Glad I discovered these movies once both where out... I don't see myself rewatching this movie but I guess if you watched it when it came out, by the time the second movie was released, you'd probably have forgot most of the story.
it's the people who can't handle the fact that this drama original was from Israel, but this drama is based on…
Ah ok... I was just about to ask the same question. I get people's political opinion but people have to remember that it's not because you have a certain nationality that you also condone the politics of your country. These are two separate things. the original writer could support the current genocide occurring in Palestine but they could also be in opposition to it. Who knows? If the people who rate this show 1 have proofs that the original writer support genocide, they should share it and let people decide if they want to support the show or not.
My thoughts exactly! It sounds way too serious but this was an awakening 😂 I'm in the process of learning to…
Yeah the struggle is real... Some people are good at fast forwarding but I personally can't. My personal rule is usually to wait until I've finished a third of a series to drop it (except for C dramas because they're way too long). So per this rule, I should have dropped this at the end of episode 3. Unfortunately, sometimes I do insist, and regret wasting my time. As I commented somewhere else, Life is too short to watch every single show you'd love so you shouldn't bother with shows that you don't enjoy.
Obviously I'm saying this and still when a majority of people love it, I tend to persist which is truly stupid. Most people who didn't like this show dropped it by the end of episode 2 or 3 and the only people left commenting are people who enjoyed it. So I kept on watching hoping it would get better.
Not dropping shows is a sickness.... but sometimes it's good to have dramas like this. It's a well-needed "no dropping sickness vaccine booster" when the first dose is starting to lose its efficiency。
My God this show was terrible. Should have trusted my instinct instead of waiting stupidly that it would get better following people's comments regarding the novel. What didn't help was that it aired at the same time as Sunset X Vibes and that one was even worse so this looked like it would be at least watchable in comparison. What a mistake.
Best review by jreviews...
Though I still think that person's being too nice given the show was terrible from the start. Peat's acting is still awful though the poor dude's was not helped by the script. What's the use of chemistry and good NC scenes (only in the beginning because they probably thought it would be enough to keep people watching) if you can't deliver on the most important thing which is err... acting? No hate to the actor but so far he still can't act any heavy emotional scene, it's just cringe as hell. Isn't his agency supposed to get him acting classes? It's not like acting was particularly good from any of these actors but Peat's stood out as particularly bad. Anyway, I'm starting to think I actually mildly enjoyed Tharntype because it was one of my first Thai BL and thoroughly liked Love is in the Air because they were smart enough to make two short separate stories so MAME's flaws weren't as apparent. This drama was too long for what it had to offer... but would probably have been good as a movie.
Should have trusted my instinct and dropped this earlier.
Side note 1: That tattoo looked too fake. No effort on the make-up department... but again. Same as this drama.
Side note 2: You're free to voice your love for the show, just like I am to voice my dislike. We can respect our diverging opinions without insulting each other.
Side note 3: To my stalker, get a life instead of commenting. I'll keep on ignoring you.
Ok That's a wrap with a happy ending... But I love how all the dead bodies at the beginning of episode 10 were just swept under the rug. Literally the rich dude in the wheelchair died along with a couple of thugs and there's no consequences for our leads.. when the theater from I understand belongs to San's family. Where the hell is the police? Did these bodies vanish into thin air? Also, Rat's brother also got killed and yes, he was an asshole... But still nobody gives a fudge. NO-BO-DY when San was adamant not to shoot him in the first place... You would expect at least Chong who is Suchat and Rat's FATHER to shed a tear for his SON but nope! That's so out of character that it took me a bit out of it for a while.
I mean , we obviously don't care, but how come the rest of the family didn't even give him a proper send off?
Still loved the series. It's a strong 8.5 from me, though it had its flaws.
I'm smelling a Time Skip for a potential HE today... But it's going to be a HE... Otherwise I'm going to do something TERRIBLE! Such as... Such as... BOYCOTTING every single BL frome One31!!! ( for the very long duration of 1 month)
All of SAMON's book are available on the MEB app but I've looked and this novel isn't featured... ( btw Triage and Manner of Death are both available in English) I don't think there's a novel for 4 Minutes. SAMMON is written here as a screenwriter only just like for DFF.
People were too impatient to judge this series. I hope they stuck around to this episode to finally find their…
I stuck around but haven't seen this episode yet... But if a 10 episode series need episode 9 to be likeable I'm sorry but it's too little too late. 8 episode of meh is not gonna make me rate this show better. It stuck to the meh level it had at the beginning. It's not the worst BL I've seen but it's definitely not what I would consider good. I know I'm among the minority expressing myself here since given the whole argument with people saying their piece, most people who didn't particularly enjoy that show either dropped it or fled the comment section, but so be it.
I think Thyme knows who Great’s father unless he uses a different family name. I think Tyme is approaching Great…
AH yeah. I forgot that Thai people have unique names so it's very unlikely people who have the same name aren't related... But he does look like he's genuinely attracted to him? Or maybe it's my wishful thinking.
1. Great is definitely going to be blamed for Tonkla's little brother's death.
2. Seems that Korn is also going to get blamed or at least linked to the murder of whoever hired the hacker... which I'm guessing is also Tonkla's little brother.
3. In any case, Tonkla and Korn's relationship is doomed... but I don't mind because Korn sucks... which seems to be a common trait in that family since Great only acts like a proper human being because he can see the consequences of his asshole behavior 4 minutes ahead.
4. Tonkla... Get with that pretty police officer. I don't find him as attractive as Korn but at least he seems to be a proper human being on the right side of the law.
5. It was cute to see Thyme doing his damnedest to get into Great's radar... but I am also 99% sure that the silhouette we saw at the end of episode 2 was his... Hence he hired the hacker or is the person who hired the person who hired the hacker?
6. Final theory. Thyme hired the hacker because he knows that his own parent's deaths is linked to this illegal casino... which would mean that Great's father is somewhat responsible for Thyme's parents' death and obviously Thyme doesn't know who Great's father is so... prepare your tissues.
7. SO... I might be overeaching with all my theories but given how intricately woven this parallel stories are, I wouldn't be surprised if some of my theories turned out to be true.
8. Isn't Title, the shittiest friend ever? You can tell what kind of person is Great by the people he associates with. He's old enough to know better. I wouldn't even spend a single minute with a guy who admitted laughing he just sequestrated his girlfriend let alone go with him in the middle of the night to some unknown places... And he apologized for what happened when he literally saw that guy killing Dome. I mean Great? If you are still friends with that type of shitty human being instead of distancing yourself... you deserve what's coming for you.
I'm hoping you get better as the story progresses because so far Thyme deserves better. He might seem cold and aloof but he's got his heart in the right place.
Final thought: I regret not having waited more before starting this show... but I knew it was going to be tough. I waited 4 days after the first episode aired but now I'm definitely completely doomed. Also... I wish for a happy ending but my God.... it looks very bleak so I'm trying to prepare my heart the best I can.
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Anyway... this show is good but the blatant anti-Americanism and Chinese propaganda really irks me. I'm currently at Episode 27 ( or 54) and it's turning ridiculous.
The popularity of K dramas started way back with Winter Sonata in 2002 in Japan and from then on, it spread abroad. The beginning of the hallyu wave in Europe and North America can be traced back to My Girl and Goong which gave a huge boost to the genre, further reinforced by very popular dramas in subsequent years helped with the contribution of many long-forgotten fansubbing teams.
Nothing would have been possible without them and credits should be given when it's due. Same thing can be said for anime in Northern Europe. Though in my home country (France), anime have been popular since way back end of the 70s/ beginning of the 80s ( millenial talking here).
Old K dramas wouldn't fare well with modern audience because society changes and what appealed to audience in the past would probably irk most modern viewers now.
On the contrary Koreans have managed to adapt their series to modern audience hence their popularity.
The only two things I agree with is:
1. Specially tailored shows for Netflix or Disney +. One of the appeal of K dramas is their lack of seasons... Fortunately it's still a minority of shows but I hope it stays that way. I also find them more violent or containing content to appeal to what is considered popular to western audience... which is one of the reason I scarcely watch them in the first place.
2. Korea doesn't produce as much thrillers compared to the past... And here it's more of a trend than anything. Korea produces what fares well in terms of audience and that's it. With almost 20 years of K drama watching ( to be more clear, I've only started Thai dramas 4 years ago, and C dramas 2/3 years ago but I've been watching Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean dramas from way back as well as a couple of Thai movies) I've seen lots of trends.
Melos in the early 2000s, followed by Sageuks ( and I mean real ones not the fusion sageuk type that you see everywhere these days) used to be what fared better for various reasons which I won't detail because this post is already too long, followed by thrillers and now we've been stuck with rom coms for a while. It's not that other genres are not produced... but they get less audience so they're less produced. But it's actually fairly easy to find what you're looking for if you bother to look for it. Especially since you no longer have to fight your way to find subs since literally everything is translated as far as Korea is concerned.
It reflects more on what people are craving based on their external circumstances than a drop of quality from said content. When the news only tell you, your life is doomed, of course you want to relax with a good rom com.
Stories are tropey. Once you get past a certain age, you've literally seen everything. Every love story is the same love story. Every thriller has at its core the same story.
Appreciating K dramas doesn't mean you have to stick to it, but being in a k drama slump doesn't mean you have to disparage the whole genre altogether.
PS: RRR is a movie so err? Why is it listed here.
Dark was a good show... but I wouldn't watch it twice.
Friends? Seriously? Still don't understand the love for that show 1st: it's a sitcom. 2nd. There's literally 1000 seasons and some nonsensical plots per episode. Just like RRR I don't see exactly why it is used to compare. South Korea doesn't have lots of sitcoms but it does. Lets compare what can be compared shall we?
Dated the same actress for years, cheated, than instead of being courageous enough to assume the new relationship, stayed silent and got dumped.
That's karma for you. Good for Hye Ri, she now knows he didn't deserve her and can move on to greener pastures. And good for So Hee as well, this is a woman who knows her own value. She stood by him even when she discovered he lied because she loved him but he didn't support her in spite of putting her in that mess in the first place. Good riddance for both of them.
Now he's on his own... and everybody's seen he's a coward so... err He can do like Song Joon Ki and get a foreign wife/girlfriend who won't care about his public disgrace and scandals.
Personally don't care about actor's personal lives, as long as the dude isn't a rapist, a beater's wife, a pedophile or a murderer, are we supposed to care about their private lives? He's an actor not a god. He's a person with a very public job, that's it. People cheat and lie. Not a good thing for sure, but if people were fired every time they did something morally wrong, life would be unbearable.
You can recognize somebody's professional qualities and not like them for their shitty character. You don't live with him so why do you care? As an actor, he's among the best of his generation.
Anyway the comments regarding his looks are just 🤮🤮🤮
Can't believe what I'm reading from some people.
Anyway... There's budget and if you like the humor that's probably a hit... I can't say it's a bad movie... But I honestly didn't like it... Wasn't my taste, but if you want lots of action, a bit of humor, great sceneries and CGIs I think you'll have a good time.
7.5 for me and as I said... I don't think I'll like the follow-up but I'm curious enough to tune in. Glad I discovered these movies once both where out... I don't see myself rewatching this movie but I guess if you watched it when it came out, by the time the second movie was released, you'd probably have forgot most of the story.
I get people's political opinion but people have to remember that it's not because you have a certain nationality that you also condone the politics of your country. These are two separate things. the original writer could support the current genocide occurring in Palestine but they could also be in opposition to it. Who knows? If the people who rate this show 1 have proofs that the original writer support genocide, they should share it and let people decide if they want to support the show or not.
Obviously I'm saying this and still when a majority of people love it, I tend to persist which is truly stupid. Most people who didn't like this show dropped it by the end of episode 2 or 3 and the only people left commenting are people who enjoyed it. So I kept on watching hoping it would get better.
Not dropping shows is a sickness.... but sometimes it's good to have dramas like this. It's a well-needed "no dropping sickness vaccine booster" when the first dose is starting to lose its efficiency。
What a mistake.
Best review by jreviews...
Though I still think that person's being too nice given the show was terrible from the start. Peat's acting is still awful though the poor dude's was not helped by the script. What's the use of chemistry and good NC scenes (only in the beginning because they probably thought it would be enough to keep people watching) if you can't deliver on the most important thing which is err... acting? No hate to the actor but so far he still can't act any heavy emotional scene, it's just cringe as hell. Isn't his agency supposed to get him acting classes? It's not like acting was particularly good from any of these actors but Peat's stood out as particularly bad. Anyway, I'm starting to think I actually mildly enjoyed Tharntype because it was one of my first Thai BL and thoroughly liked Love is in the Air because they were smart enough to make two short separate stories so MAME's flaws weren't as apparent.
This drama was too long for what it had to offer... but would probably have been good as a movie.
Should have trusted my instinct and dropped this earlier.
Side note 1: That tattoo looked too fake. No effort on the make-up department... but again. Same as this drama.
Side note 2: You're free to voice your love for the show, just like I am to voice my dislike. We can respect our diverging opinions without insulting each other.
Side note 3: To my stalker, get a life instead of commenting. I'll keep on ignoring you.
But I love how all the dead bodies at the beginning of episode 10 were just swept under the rug.
Literally the rich dude in the wheelchair died along with a couple of thugs and there's no consequences for our leads.. when the theater from I understand belongs to San's family. Where the hell is the police? Did these bodies vanish into thin air? Also, Rat's brother also got killed and yes, he was an asshole... But still nobody gives a fudge. NO-BO-DY when San was adamant not to shoot him in the first place... You would expect at least Chong who is Suchat and Rat's FATHER to shed a tear for his SON but nope! That's so out of character that it took me a bit out of it for a while.
I mean , we obviously don't care, but how come the rest of the family didn't even give him a proper send off?
Still loved the series. It's a strong 8.5 from me, though it had its flaws.
But it's going to be a HE... Otherwise I'm going to do something TERRIBLE!
Such as... Such as... BOYCOTTING every single BL frome One31!!! ( for the very long duration of 1 month)
1. Great is definitely going to be blamed for Tonkla's little brother's death.
2. Seems that Korn is also going to get blamed or at least linked to the murder of whoever hired the hacker... which I'm guessing is also Tonkla's little brother.
3. In any case, Tonkla and Korn's relationship is doomed... but I don't mind because Korn sucks... which seems to be a common trait in that family since Great only acts like a proper human being because he can see the consequences of his asshole behavior 4 minutes ahead.
4. Tonkla... Get with that pretty police officer. I don't find him as attractive as Korn but at least he seems to be a proper human being on the right side of the law.
5. It was cute to see Thyme doing his damnedest to get into Great's radar... but I am also 99% sure that the silhouette we saw at the end of episode 2 was his... Hence he hired the hacker or is the person who hired the person who hired the hacker?
6. Final theory. Thyme hired the hacker because he knows that his own parent's deaths is linked to this illegal casino... which would mean that Great's father is somewhat responsible for Thyme's parents' death and obviously Thyme doesn't know who Great's father is so... prepare your tissues.
7. SO... I might be overeaching with all my theories but given how intricately woven this parallel stories are, I wouldn't be surprised if some of my theories turned out to be true.
8. Isn't Title, the shittiest friend ever? You can tell what kind of person is Great by the people he associates with. He's old enough to know better. I wouldn't even spend a single minute with a guy who admitted laughing he just sequestrated his girlfriend let alone go with him in the middle of the night to some unknown places... And he apologized for what happened when he literally saw that guy killing Dome. I mean Great? If you are still friends with that type of shitty human being instead of distancing yourself... you deserve what's coming for you.
I'm hoping you get better as the story progresses because so far Thyme deserves better. He might seem cold and aloof but he's got his heart in the right place.
Final thought: I regret not having waited more before starting this show... but I knew it was going to be tough. I waited 4 days after the first episode aired but now I'm definitely completely doomed. Also... I wish for a happy ending but my God.... it looks very bleak so I'm trying to prepare my heart the best I can.