So, I'm talking on my own since most people have seen this drama but reaching the end of episode 4... I really don't get the outcry for the supposed "cheating". Sure Jai seems to have some feelings for Teh, but he's been very clear, he's planning to go to New York so I'm not a professional, but if my future relied on the performance of my actors, I sure would do anything for them to get properly into their role. After all, it's the actors' job to distinguish between what's fiction and what's real ( and yes lots of them get things confused at some point given how many times actors start relationships after meeting on set but that's another story).
Anyway, Teh and Oh are as far as I'm concerned, a couple doomed even before they started to go out together. But after university, it's very clear they would be better of with somebody else. One could say Teh did emotionally cheat, but feelings can't be controlled。 What is Oh exactly feeling except staying with Teh out of habit? There is no way to feel anything for Oh in this whole drama, we've barely seen him and he's clinging for the sake of clinging. As for Teh, he's a coward that can't call it quits even when he knows his heart is no longer there. At this point, I no longer care for any of them.
I'm going to end this show with the same level of frustration I got with the first season (see personal review), though I'm probably going to rate this slightly lower than the first one. I do think it's better, but I'm just so fed up with both their attitudes that I just don't feel like giving higher ratings.
I don’t know, am I the only one who didn’t love this? I struggled with the first two episodes and then went…
You're not the only one. I didn't dislike it per say but I wouldn't rave about it either. I pretty much have the same opinion. Great cinematography, good acting and production value but average story.
So... Currently reaching the end of ep 3 where the whole thing happenned. I wasn't rooting for Teh and Oh in the first place even after the first part so this doesn't come as a surprise. I know Teh doesn't end up with the person he cheated with, but it's very clear that they definitely have more in common' than Teh and Oh. Life goes on, people change. This drama is set over many years in which Teh and Oh have lived more apart than together since both are very busy with their lives. It's a given they're bound to drift away at some point even if Oh is clearly more attached to Teh... for reasons I didn't understand in the first part nor in this one.
I guess the fact that I personally was never attached to this couple in the first place makes the whole cheating pretty meh in terms of emotional impact. I don't even feel anything for Oh at this point because this drama is terribly unbalanced. We've spent more time with Teh in more than half the drama than with Oh at this point so as far as I dont condone his actions, I can still understand his position. Should have broken up before the cheating though.
In fact, I'd argue the second part is actually way better than the first in spite of the "ugliness" due to the fact that it's no longer in Chiangmai but in Bangkok. The cinematography is still topnotch... But the nostalgic feel and pretty scenery is gone so part of the original charm is lost.
Anyway, that's my thoughts reaching the end of episode 3. I'm one of the few who thought that ITSAY was an ok drama with great cinematography and beautiful scenery and little more so I'm not disappointed nor heartbroken.
Took me about 10 episodes to really get into the story, but now I'm hooked ^^ The CGIs are nice but it's not the highest value in terms of production. Scenery is a bit repetitive and obviously fake but the story makes up for it.
Currently finishing episode 14 and WHY SO CRUEL SHOW!
My God Poor Chang Yi is so naive, it hurts so so so SO BAD. My God, do the Chinese love their tragedy. There's not a single Wuxia I've gotten into, that doesn't break your heart at some point, it hurts SO BAD but it's SO GOOD.
I want to spoil myself the rest of the series but I WILL RESIST!
Well I don't know which translation you're talking about... But the french part were just very awkward. It was like listening to somebody who was learning french at a beginner's level and making up sentences. The actors accent was SO THICK that even I couldn't understand them as a native French speaker (they should have dubbed them)
In episode 15 the actress is screaming in French " Tu auras affaire à moi" - You'll have to deal with me!
Yet the transcription in French was " Il y va y avoir un mort" - Somebody's gonna end up dead ... Or something around those lines.
It was pretty jarring because this one was of the few sentences that could be understood through that thick accent and they couldn't even get that right.
The English was also pretty awful so that might explain that as well.
Btw, I'm not making fun of the actors. But since they're supposed to be fluent, particularly the mother, the least they should have done, is just dub the actors. It would have made these scenes way less ridiculous.
Please put your comment with a spoiler tag... This is the type of website that if it gets too well known, you can be sure it's gonna be reported and then dissapear。
Since you are new to historical dramas i recommend: Mr Queen, Scarlet Heart, Tale of nokdu, Under the queens umbrella
I've watched it ( If you're curious about which shows I've seen my MDL list is up to date). It was my first historical from China and it was a 10/10 for me as well ^^
Since you are new to historical dramas i recommend: Mr Queen, Scarlet Heart, Tale of nokdu, Under the queens umbrella
Lol Red Sleeve... I stayed away from any historical for over a year after that one. Was traumatized. It was a good series, but I'm never going to rewatch ever again.
Cowardice can always be justified if you look through other people's lens. But at the end of the day, the message of the movie is the consequences of inaction and conformism. Doing the right thing makes you stand out and you end up being the looser just like what happened to the teacher. At the end of the day, if you 're a coward you face no consequences and you can keep on living your life, if you try to challenge things, you're going to be punished by Society for it. That cowardice from classmates to adults led to the death of two children who didn't know better. In front of adults who were all lying and conforming, they never felt the environment was safe enough for them to be honest which led to their deaths. They made some stupid choices but we're not supposed to expect children to be bright.
Seems to me you didn't understand what I meant.
As I said, it's a very good movie. But I didn't like it notably because it's in fact too realistic. It's "ordinary evilness". Closing your eyes and ears to others' pleas because you don't want your own peace to be disturbed.
i absolutely agree this show is a masterpiece but the length of the episodes is what’s been holding me back…
Lol well... I actually ended up rating it down... Some things just didn't sit well for me on the first watch... But it was actually worse on the rewatch... So I say, if you loved it the first time... Keep your best memory of it and don't rewatch it. Sometimes it's better to keep your golden memories golden, so to speak.
The ending was definitely rushed, but I’m so glad Nan & Nam are together! I really loved this drama - especially…
Thanks for this spoiler. I read a comment some weeks ago asking if it was a HE in the novel and somebody else answering Sam ended with Fah... which is why I waited for the series to end to be sure they changed the end. I can now safely start this series ^^Thank you :D
Went back on my words and came back on this thread ... only to see people getting personal just because some people disagree with the decisions of this or that character or criticize this drama. Blablabla, get rid of your fantasies (Isn't Rom Com' THE GENRE for fantasies ? Ah sorry, forgot the tag was wrong so... there's that). Of course, if you disagree, it's because you want characters to be perfect and you have no appreciation for nuanced portrayals 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Poor immature souls. And I'm saying this as someone who likes the series (so far)... Oh. And I'm also in my late 30s, so that's another point for my immaturity I guess. Though in my book, being critical of something doesn't necessarily mean you're throwing the whole thing under the bus, otherwise you'd have already dropped the show so here.
In you want realistic, any sane girl would have stayed with the ex instead of going to the childhood friend. Because sorry but he's been very overbearing for a while now. You can't do this and that even warned the ex not to get to touchy feely ( dude, that's too late for that, do you think they only kissed when they were in the US?). Ah! And now he doesn't do friendship anymore, so basically, she can't say no.
SURE!
'Course he pulled away a couple of years ago to protect himself, which is completely understandable, after all, he didn't know she was sick. But actions have consequences, if you want flawed and realistic, the moment he made that choice, their relationship was doomed.
Second doom is when you start to get pushy with your feelings when the girl is being swayed by the dude who STAYED WITH HER through her CANCER AND DEPRESSION? Wouldn't it be better for you to just wait for her to make her own decision. If she goes back to him, you have nothing to say, if she decides to truly end it here, then you have your last chance. Don't screw it. But don't act like you have any right on who she can see and when. She's not your property.
The only reason everyone is giving Seung Hyo a pass, and that includes me, is because it's Jung Hae In, he's drop dead gorgeous and he's end-game anyway so better support what is bound to happen instead of disagreeing with it all the way. Even being understanding of his flaws as a character, Seok Ryu's decision to reject the fiancée and be with him is not a "realistic portrayal" unless you're into unhealthy relationships. These two are not yet together and look at how he behaves? In reality, these are already little red flags thrown your way that this person is going to turn really controlling the more time you spend together especially once he's your boyfriend and he considers he's got "rights" over you. Doesn't bode well for when they'll be really together but don't worry, it's a K Drama, it's selling you a fantasy in spite of all the crying and even if the ML's attitude screams "red flag" he's never going to be "red" because you can't have a "red ML". He can be overly jealous... But he's never going to cross a line he shouldn't have ( such as err, looking through the bag of the girl he likes for instance? But Seok Ryu also looked through his things so I guess they're perfect for each other?)
Anyway let's be clear, the ex's way better. His biggest fault is only to have done as Seok Ryu wanted and not tell her family. He shouldn't have even if she disagreed.
So this time I'm truly definitely out of this thread, I'm going to watch this quietly and not read any comments where people voicing their grievances are attacked on a personal level and only people liking this show 1000% are welcome. Because as much as I'm still liking this show, it is as flawed as its characters. This should give room for people to discuss about their disagreements about these characters decisions (or lack thereoff) but unfortunately, when you're tagged "immature", "stuck in Ryu Seon Jae's fantasy" and so on and so forth (an argument I've seen from both both people who like and dislike this show for that matter), discussions are doomed from the start.
PS: Also, let's tag this show "SF, Action, Mistery" and see how you react because I'm tired of that argument that a "rom com doesn't have to be happy-go-lucky all the time". This is at best a dramedy (if I'm being VERY lenient), at worst Melo but if you want to see what's a rom com', well there's one airing actually on the same channel on Monday and Tuesday...
They did. It's how it's been officially promoted in South Korea. Take any Korean article speaking about this series before it aired in August and it's promoted as a Romantic Comedy. It's also the tag you'll find on namu wiki. I know. I've checked.
But do you realise there is possibility of drama having multiple genres like romcom (first 5 Eps), Slice of life,…
This show had been advertised as a rom com'. A show being a melo doesn't mean it's not going to have some humor in it. It's not because you're watching a thriller that there's no romance nor humor in it either and so on and so forth.
BUT there's a dominant genre and the issue here is that the dominant genre is slice of life not rom com' yet the show is tagged here and in South Korea as a Rom Com' and a Family show.
They're balancing the tone right for a slice of life but definitely not for a rom' com. That's the point of my comment. This being said, I've made peace with it and I feel most complaining should also make peace with it now. However, I do feel like these tags should be changed because it's misleading and bound to make people dissapointed. In a couple of months, some naive souls are going to want to watch this show, the comment section will be mostly empty and they're going to fall into the trap all of us fell into unless they read reviews... which I personally never do before watching a show because I feel it tints my perception of the show.
I recently dropped "Doctor John" for the same reason. It was tagged "Mystery Thriller" on Viki... Unfortunately when I finally watched it, it took me 6 episodes to understand this was not a thriller but 100% pure medical drama ( and I HATE medical dramas so I only bother with shows in medical settings when the focus in not on the medical stuffs). I checked later episodes just to be sure... and yes MEDICAL ONLY, the only mystery was about some dude that died which led the ML to prison but this was not even a mystery, it was just an information that was given only at the end ( I mean by that, that there was no investigation involved or whatever). And let me tell you, I was PISSED. Again, misleading tags.
I blame mostly all the backlash on tvN for lying to the audience. Also... I should have known Jung Hae In just likes melodramas, so sure for him a slice of life is literally a rom com' next to his usual projects. I'll never trust him again 😅😅😅
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Teh had a hotter kiss with Jai than with Oh.
Sure Jai seems to have some feelings for Teh, but he's been very clear, he's planning to go to New York so I'm not a professional, but if my future relied on the performance of my actors, I sure would do anything for them to get properly into their role. After all, it's the actors' job to distinguish between what's fiction and what's real ( and yes lots of them get things confused at some point given how many times actors start relationships after meeting on set but that's another story).
Anyway, Teh and Oh are as far as I'm concerned, a couple doomed even before they started to go out together. But after university, it's very clear they would be better of with somebody else. One could say Teh did emotionally cheat, but feelings can't be controlled。 What is Oh exactly feeling except staying with Teh out of habit? There is no way to feel anything for Oh in this whole drama, we've barely seen him and he's clinging for the sake of clinging. As for Teh, he's a coward that can't call it quits even when he knows his heart is no longer there. At this point, I no longer care for any of them.
I'm going to end this show with the same level of frustration I got with the first season (see personal review), though I'm probably going to rate this slightly lower than the first one. I do think it's better, but I'm just so fed up with both their attitudes that I just don't feel like giving higher ratings.
Currently reaching the end of ep 3 where the whole thing happenned. I wasn't rooting for Teh and Oh in the first place even after the first part so this doesn't come as a surprise. I know Teh doesn't end up with the person he cheated with, but it's very clear that they definitely have more in common' than Teh and Oh. Life goes on, people change. This drama is set over many years in which Teh and Oh have lived more apart than together since both are very busy with their lives. It's a given they're bound to drift away at some point even if Oh is clearly more attached to Teh... for reasons I didn't understand in the first part nor in this one.
I guess the fact that I personally was never attached to this couple in the first place makes the whole cheating pretty meh in terms of emotional impact. I don't even feel anything for Oh at this point because this drama is terribly unbalanced. We've spent more time with Teh in more than half the drama than with Oh at this point so as far as I dont condone his actions, I can still understand his position. Should have broken up before the cheating though.
In fact, I'd argue the second part is actually way better than the first in spite of the "ugliness" due to the fact that it's no longer in Chiangmai but in Bangkok. The cinematography is still topnotch... But the nostalgic feel and pretty scenery is gone so part of the original charm is lost.
Anyway, that's my thoughts reaching the end of episode 3. I'm one of the few who thought that ITSAY was an ok drama with great cinematography and beautiful scenery and little more so I'm not disappointed nor heartbroken.
The CGIs are nice but it's not the highest value in terms of production. Scenery is a bit repetitive and obviously fake but the story makes up for it.
Currently finishing episode 14 and WHY SO CRUEL SHOW!
My God Poor Chang Yi is so naive, it hurts so so so SO BAD. My God, do the Chinese love their tragedy. There's not a single Wuxia I've gotten into, that doesn't break your heart at some point, it hurts SO BAD but it's SO GOOD.
I want to spoil myself the rest of the series but I WILL RESIST!
In episode 15 the actress is screaming in French " Tu auras affaire à moi" - You'll have to deal with me!
Yet the transcription in French was " Il y va y avoir un mort" - Somebody's gonna end up dead ... Or something around those lines.
It was pretty jarring because this one was of the few sentences that could be understood through that thick accent and they couldn't even get that right.
The English was also pretty awful so that might explain that as well.
Btw, I'm not making fun of the actors. But since they're supposed to be fluent, particularly the mother, the least they should have done, is just dub the actors. It would have made these scenes way less ridiculous.
Thank You.
Skipping that one :D
My Ultimate favorite trope ^^
I'm in :D
That cowardice from classmates to adults led to the death of two children who didn't know better. In front of adults who were all lying and conforming, they never felt the environment was safe enough for them to be honest which led to their deaths. They made some stupid choices but we're not supposed to expect children to be bright.
Seems to me you didn't understand what I meant.
As I said, it's a very good movie. But I didn't like it notably because it's in fact too realistic. It's "ordinary evilness". Closing your eyes and ears to others' pleas because you don't want your own peace to be disturbed.
I read a comment some weeks ago asking if it was a HE in the novel and somebody else answering Sam ended with Fah... which is why I waited for the series to end to be sure they changed the end.
I can now safely start this series ^^Thank you :D
And I'm saying this as someone who likes the series (so far)... Oh. And I'm also in my late 30s, so that's another point for my immaturity I guess. Though in my book, being critical of something doesn't necessarily mean you're throwing the whole thing under the bus, otherwise you'd have already dropped the show so here.
In you want realistic, any sane girl would have stayed with the ex instead of going to the childhood friend. Because sorry but he's been very overbearing for a while now. You can't do this and that even warned the ex not to get to touchy feely ( dude, that's too late for that, do you think they only kissed when they were in the US?). Ah! And now he doesn't do friendship anymore, so basically, she can't say no.
SURE!
'Course he pulled away a couple of years ago to protect himself, which is completely understandable, after all, he didn't know she was sick. But actions have consequences, if you want flawed and realistic, the moment he made that choice, their relationship was doomed.
Second doom is when you start to get pushy with your feelings when the girl is being swayed by the dude who STAYED WITH HER through her CANCER AND DEPRESSION? Wouldn't it be better for you to just wait for her to make her own decision. If she goes back to him, you have nothing to say, if she decides to truly end it here, then you have your last chance. Don't screw it. But don't act like you have any right on who she can see and when. She's not your property.
The only reason everyone is giving Seung Hyo a pass, and that includes me, is because it's Jung Hae In, he's drop dead gorgeous and he's end-game anyway so better support what is bound to happen instead of disagreeing with it all the way. Even being understanding of his flaws as a character, Seok Ryu's decision to reject the fiancée and be with him is not a "realistic portrayal" unless you're into unhealthy relationships. These two are not yet together and look at how he behaves?
In reality, these are already little red flags thrown your way that this person is going to turn really controlling the more time you spend together especially once he's your boyfriend and he considers he's got "rights" over you.
Doesn't bode well for when they'll be really together but don't worry, it's a K Drama, it's selling you a fantasy in spite of all the crying and even if the ML's attitude screams "red flag" he's never going to be "red" because you can't have a "red ML". He can be overly jealous... But he's never going to cross a line he shouldn't have ( such as err, looking through the bag of the girl he likes for instance? But Seok Ryu also looked through his things so I guess they're perfect for each other?)
Anyway let's be clear, the ex's way better. His biggest fault is only to have done as Seok Ryu wanted and not tell her family. He shouldn't have even if she disagreed.
So this time I'm truly definitely out of this thread, I'm going to watch this quietly and not read any comments where people voicing their grievances are attacked on a personal level and only people liking this show 1000% are welcome. Because as much as I'm still liking this show, it is as flawed as its characters. This should give room for people to discuss about their disagreements about these characters decisions (or lack thereoff) but unfortunately, when you're tagged "immature", "stuck in Ryu Seon Jae's fantasy" and so on and so forth (an argument I've seen from both both people who like and dislike this show for that matter), discussions are doomed from the start.
PS: Also, let's tag this show "SF, Action, Mistery" and see how you react because I'm tired of that argument that a "rom com doesn't have to be happy-go-lucky all the time". This is at best a dramedy (if I'm being VERY lenient), at worst Melo but if you want to see what's a rom com', well there's one airing actually on the same channel on Monday and Tuesday...
Sorry to say but tags are important.
BUT there's a dominant genre and the issue here is that the dominant genre is slice of life not rom com' yet the show is tagged here and in South Korea as a Rom Com' and a Family show.
They're balancing the tone right for a slice of life but definitely not for a rom' com. That's the point of my comment. This being said, I've made peace with it and I feel most complaining should also make peace with it now. However, I do feel like these tags should be changed because it's misleading and bound to make people dissapointed.
In a couple of months, some naive souls are going to want to watch this show, the comment section will be mostly empty and they're going to fall into the trap all of us fell into unless they read reviews... which I personally never do before watching a show because I feel it tints my perception of the show.
I recently dropped "Doctor John" for the same reason. It was tagged "Mystery Thriller" on Viki... Unfortunately when I finally watched it, it took me 6 episodes to understand this was not a thriller but 100% pure medical drama ( and I HATE medical dramas so I only bother with shows in medical settings when the focus in not on the medical stuffs). I checked later episodes just to be sure... and yes MEDICAL ONLY, the only mystery was about some dude that died which led the ML to prison but this was not even a mystery, it was just an information that was given only at the end ( I mean by that, that there was no investigation involved or whatever). And let me tell you, I was PISSED. Again, misleading tags.
I blame mostly all the backlash on tvN for lying to the audience. Also... I should have known Jung Hae In just likes melodramas, so sure for him a slice of life is literally a rom com' next to his usual projects. I'll never trust him again 😅😅😅