If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
No wonder this discrepancy that I picked up on was too jarring for me! Thanks for helping me realise the difference between the screenplay versus the drama, and how the whitewashing of A-Shui's character for the drama became the final touch that couldn't save her already-weak plotline.
If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
A-Shui can't remember her brother Fang Zhou, but she remembers her father. What is her motivation and reasons to keep sacrificing for Tang Lici, given how he has not treated her in any special way, and continuously showed his suspicion and contempt of her early in the drama once they were on his ship? This is a gigantic loophole. Of course Tang Lici is super-suspicious. I would be super-suspicious of someone possibly connected to the person I know trying to kill me, being made to look like the victim who can recognise my face. Why? Because this "victim" also has special blood that can also miraculously cure me, and I would naturally feel sympathetic for her if I did not notice all this. This is too much for me to accept without contempt and with wariness and keeping at arms' length.
In order to make things believable, that is why I would alter events before episode 19 and the conversation for episode 19, to give A-Shui unique independence as a character cementing true kindness and intelligence and grace, foreshadowing and at least show that she can maybe remember only a hint of her past and is fundamentally alike with Fang Zhou so that when she finally sees the carving, her memory is fully jogged. This would all make sense, rather than suddenly trying to make us believe she is Fang Zhou's sister.
Giving Tang Lici blood from her lips would never have happened if Tang Lici didn't have to go and save A-Shui because she got kidnapped. I shorten A-Shui's scenes and make her more unique, and Zhong Chunji also becomes more believable for what happens between her and Tang Lici.
Also, the directors want us to believe A-Shui carried Tang Lici through the forest by herself, and Chi Yun didn't see anything wrong with saying this? How much eye-rolling do they expect the older pickier viewers to do? Anybody with at least 20 years C-drama experience will notice this random popping up and vanishing that makes no sense, including the "carrying through the forest" that also makes no sense. Kindly address that discrepancy via something such as a short flashback or an answer from A-Shui to Tang Lici's question, if Gui Mudan's puppet child is involved.
I want A-Shui to be uniquely graceful and intelligent, not a doormat whose ultimate significance was that she couldn't even take revenge without being a pawn and when she takes revenge, she gets it all wrong too. What kind of female character is this for any intelligent person to champion?! Even my grandmothers don't believe a woman should be defined by a man, and both of them didn't finish schooling past the age of 13.
Hence all my edits because as it stands, current drama A-Shui is looking rather unadmirable primarily as a blood bank with inconsistent motives whose presence is due to too many loopholes of unaddressed issues.
Because of A-Shui's maternal vibes, some people picked up on the maternal issue which is why I quoted a portion of chapter 40 from the novel, when Teng Ping left unfinished a novel that she did not like and spoke disparagingly about, until said novel was adopted for the drama.
If a potential of a character is greater than what is actually portrayed, then what we are looking at is a weakly-written character. It is even worse when a character's primary worth is reduced to being in a romance for someone else. In life, I advise people to look at how others behave towards you in words and actions to ascertain who they are first, instead of being carried away by your perceptions of potential. This is also the same for dramas, because we judge by what we see as a smooth continuous story making sense, instead of loopholes being created and unresolvable due to trying to insert said character in the first place.
Shui Duopo is essential to the drama for Tang Lici and the battles between Fengliu Dian versus the Central Plains Sword Alliance, and Xue Xianzi is necessary to find her. With Chi Yun and Shen Langhun, the entire timeline could be moved up. A-Shui has no relevance to this.
What about the ledgers? We could alter the characterisation of Gu Xitan or Zhong Chunji, and it could work. The screenplay appears to be trying too hard to include A-Shui as a relevant character, instead of the other way around.
Chi Yun would not have to die (or at least die for another more substantial reason likely to do with saving Tang Lici), if Bai Suche was also not in the story.
For me, I don't fault Zhong Chunji for what she did (because I explained in a comment to Enigma05 more than 5 weeks ago) about PTSD plus her background in a misogynistic alliance and how Liu Yan really did a number on her. But we needed something more, to help us connect believably as to why Zhong Chunji likes Tang Lici.
Azure has two comments to this thread you should check out, especially about the loopholes of A-Shui which I noticed (I share one of them here):
If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
Here's the problem with A-Shui being the obviously weakest subplot and Zhong Chunji needing to be fleshed out a bit more, which I noticed and my opinion finally changed fundamentally because of one troll account on this page with at least six sockpuppet accounts constantly attacking other users including me who praised other female characters and their actresses, while those accounts also kept going on about A-Shui's "romance" with Tang Lici as if that female character had no worth to contribute to this drama (plus the accounts obviously didn't finish watching many episodes of the drama and primarily relied on clips) -See my next comment:
If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
Your approach for keeping all the characters with the edits also makes further sense. I was trying not to be too ruthless but if we look at it as objectively as you, I agree Yu Qifeng and Yu Furen really didn't need all that time onscreen too. Xiao Shi needed more screentime, and so did Ye Mo.
If Bai Suche was not in the story because yes, she doesn't add to the plot, Chi Yun wouldn't have met the end that he did.
Palace of Fallen Jade with my changes would definitely be shortened, and we could further shorten the talking with Wanyu Yuedan after the battle was won.
Removing A-Shui plus Bai Suche would indeed result in a story that is stronger. Shui Duopo needed to be found earlier also because of Xue Xianzi, with Chi Yun and Shen Langhun accompanying Tang Lici.
The only reason why we even have A-Shui giving blood to Tang Lici via the lips is because A-Shui got kidnapped, and Tang Lici had to go and save her. This is majorly not a good way to make me believe a female character is essential.
Here's my question: As for your suggestion of starting episode 1 in the manner you mentioned, is this without A-Shui in the story or with A-Shui in the story? Does that mean if it is A-Shui in the story, the murders at the wedding banquet at the Hao Residence starts later?
Gui Mudan makes Liu Yan believe Liu Yan is a mutual leader whom he also respects, wrt the House of Pleasure. However,…
Gui Mudan comes to realise that the white cat is the most important life to him, in the final episode. That white cat will always be protected by Gui Mudan, and his love for it becomes incredibly touching. Don't worry about the cat :)
If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
The cast is very packed and can be perceived as bloated, and the only reason Xiao Shunyao couldn't have shot more scenes is because of his injuries from a stunt.
There are legitimate complaints that Tang Lici, Shen Langhun and Chi Yun don't have enough interactions for this drama. They were also a huge attraction for the brotherhood and camaraderie that they brought on this adventure. Shen Langhun is my favourite Jianghu therapist and I am glad that he had a happy ending because of Tang Lici.
Chi Yun's death was unfortunately part of the trio domino rally of deaths to enable Tang Lici to reach his conclusion of sacrifice by the end of episode 39. I would have preferred Chi Yun not to die, but since he was accompanying Bai Suche... Hearing Chi Yun's theme song makes my eyes watery because of his ending.
Zhong Chunji's role would have been wonderful to give more facets to. That's part of the reason why I suggested one more interaction with Tang Lici. She could have been practising say, her ultimate skill which Tang Lici comes across, they spar and he helps her realise how to improve further with something insightful and personal- This is how it would at least make her later actions more understandable. What would you have wanted for Zhong Chunji in this drama, such as if you used my edits?
Being able to find Shui Duopo is because of Xue Xianzi. With Chi Yun and Shen Langhun as well, A-Shui isn't necessary to finding Shui Duopo, and Shui Duopo's presence would have been moved to an earlier episode in the drama because of Tang Lici needing to find her sooner rather than later.
The storyline can be rewritten in such a way that the details with the ledgers and talking to Sect Leader Jiang of Yanmen can be addressed adequately, which doesn't fundamentally need A-Shui to carry out.
A-Shui's role was weak, also because Lin Yun wasn't given much to work with. After seeing how Lin Yun couldn't pull off what was needed for micro-emoting in the monumental scenes with Luo Yunxi and Jeremy Tsu, I believe it is for the best that she was given specific limited scenes.
And perhaps you are right. If A-Shui had been killed off, she might have been able to leave a different impact. The letter ending was weak, also because Tang Lici's reactions to her big reveal and to her letter were weak. What happened previously between them was also not impactful enough in these episodes, and it all boils down to writing trying to accommodate a character that could have been absent from the drama without any issues.
How does A-Shui remember her father but not her brother? If she doesn't remember her brother, for what justifiable reason does she make all these sacrifices for Tang Lici, given how he is treating her? I would be super-suspicious that someone involved with my former senior brother (who wants to kill me and pretended to be me) in a murder suspect case can also miraculously save me with their blood. It's too coincidental. The premise of A-Shui making such sacrifices is very weak, so I would have to strengthen it with my edits but it doesn't address loopholes in the original drama to accommodate A-Shui as a character.
Having more of Ye Mo and Bai Nanzhu is what I wanted, and Jeremy Tsu as Ye Mo would have been interesting. More of Gui Mudan would also have been fascinating and integral, to tie all their roles together in how Tang Lici also experiences more-encompassing ideas and expresses as such, because of them.
Fang Yilun was a big wonderful surprise for me, given how he aptly channelled Heath Ledger as the Joker in that scene in episode 14 with Qiaoyi Qiankun. His chemistry as Liu Yan with Hong-guniang, and as Liu Yan with Tang Lici- When he was talking to Tang Lici in that final conversation, my eyes suffered from watering more than when Chi Yun died. And Chi Yun's death was something I already prepared for, before the end of 10 episodes of the drama.
If certain scenes had been rearranged, it would have made a lot more sense. The first five episodes are the most crucial, and the middle episodes of 19 to 22 are also crucial. If we had at least the changes I suggested, this drama would have been improved in terms of pacing and characterisation and perception of aesthetics at times being too favoured over the storyline.
ML came from the Tianren realm, check out the discussion above to know about Tianren realm, Whispers Of Fate—Worldview/Timelines.
Yes. The beings in the Tianren Realm are equivalent to demi-gods but not impervious from aging, as Azure's forum post describes. We needed at least one episode about the Tianren Realm to really do full justice to Tang Lici's story, but things are what they are. I wanted at least one full episode to include Ye Mo and Bai Nanzhu. Still a very valiant effort for a very ambitious and complex project with the final results, given the difficulty of creating this drama!
If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
I'm always plot and characterisation-first approach, because that's when the best results happen. Tsui Hark is one of my favourite directors and producers when it comes to wuxia or xianxia because in the 80s and 90s, he was clear-eyed and very ruthless with his storyline and characters.
That is also why he is iconic in HK film history. His movie "Green Snake" utilises Peking Opera in certain aspects especially for the two lead female characters and one male lead character, and he knew how to convey a good story with many layers. Sadly, the endings were usually tragic for his iconic characters. Luckily, he isn't in charge of the ending here, which I could enjoy. He would have been helpful for the streamlining of this story. He would also have enjoyed the opening, which literally screamed "Theatre" and "Chinese Opera" to me within the first 15 seconds in a captivating manner.
What I suggested for edits would strengthen all characters in the drama. The problem comes when people mistakenly believe more screen-time leads to better-recognised exposure, which isn't the case with a more-mature and picky audience. I also haven't been as ruthless as I should be with my edits, because I'd also be reducing the screentime of at least four other supporting characters and/or possibly doing away with one of them.
The other problem is that this cast is too bloated, so paring would have been a better option. I believe the producers and directors for this drama will learn from all this.
I enjoy Gui Mudan's character song the most. But for overall songs, I like the OP song the most because it makes…
I listened to your cover of 《英雄不磊落》and if you could sound slightly more roguish and lively/impish, it would be a good cover! I have heard the original song and I wasn't too hot on it, but yours adds a certain roguish youthfulness that I would like to be stronger on emphasis for that aspect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcXxbYldRto
Would like to add some more points here;On December 20, 2022, news broke that Qian Jie Mei was going to be adapted…
Thank you for your sympathy. I just returned today to this page, and I am still totally shocked by what you shared.
Nobody starts reading RI or watching RI donghua for romance, so it was so weird when an account that talks about RI can't seem to expand on anything about RI.
[ I call this user as my 'obsessive lover' just the way Liu Yan is obsessed with Tang Lici 😂 ] - Liu Yan's obsession with Tang Lici is understandable and logical. The sockpuppet clamouring for your attention, after I told them twice on two different days to talk to you? Still hasn't answered you here.
By now, I am seriously doubting they are even a Lin Yun fan, because which Lin Yun fan would make Lin Yun look so bad with such fan behaviour? Someone with severe mental health issues who needs to get professional help is my current conclusion.
I finally finished all episodes and what a ride it was. I usually don’t mind whether a drama has a happy ending…
I remembered what you said here, and I have just made a new comment summarising what I would have altered for this drama, after watching it for the second time. Feel free to give your thoughts there too :)
Contributions include underthestars with a very-helpful explainer and hidden-facts thread capped with a general timeline for all 40 episodes, alongside a very useful diagram. See how many nuggets you noticed! Start from the top of the post for the earliest episodes after watching an episode, and work your way down:
Have added your post to my collated forum post for "Group Collective Contributions: Details, trivia, insights…
Heh, I believe your dedication is greater than mine~ Several people have been asking when my review will be out. Should be able to complete it within 8 days XD
I decided to make a post about what I would have restructured within WoF if we 're going to keep all these characters, which I have posted uptop.
Your contributions have been so important, and I am very grateful for your shared efforts too!
Amongst those of us who have finished watching the drama, I would say Luo Yunxi has chemistry with everyone because of his phenomenal acting. There is no romance tag for this drama, and you can ship Tang Lici with anyone. I am a no-romance person for this drama who was satisfied but I also have to confess that even after watching this entire drama a second time, I still believe the strongest chemistry between Tang Lici and two characters is between Luo Yunxi and Jeremy Tsu, plus Luo Yunxi with Fang Yilun.
Fang Yilun plays Liu Yan who is very important to Tang Lici, and Tang Lici has been searching for Liu Yan for four years. If you don't watch, you will be missing some very beautiful moments and lines shared by the two characters across multiple episodes including episodes 2, 27 and 39 (one of their interactions did have my eyebrow twitching). Some tropes that could be seen in danmei are also present here. That is why another user said Yes to you, pertaining to bromance.
There is a user with at least six sockpuppet accounts on this page, and these accounts do their best to drive away people from watching this drama. I would suggest you try watching the drama for yourself :)
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In order to make things believable, that is why I would alter events before episode 19 and the conversation for episode 19, to give A-Shui unique independence as a character cementing true kindness and intelligence and grace, foreshadowing and at least show that she can maybe remember only a hint of her past and is fundamentally alike with Fang Zhou so that when she finally sees the carving, her memory is fully jogged. This would all make sense, rather than suddenly trying to make us believe she is Fang Zhou's sister.
Giving Tang Lici blood from her lips would never have happened if Tang Lici didn't have to go and save A-Shui because she got kidnapped. I shorten A-Shui's scenes and make her more unique, and Zhong Chunji also becomes more believable for what happens between her and Tang Lici.
Also, the directors want us to believe A-Shui carried Tang Lici through the forest by herself, and Chi Yun didn't see anything wrong with saying this? How much eye-rolling do they expect the older pickier viewers to do? Anybody with at least 20 years C-drama experience will notice this random popping up and vanishing that makes no sense, including the "carrying through the forest" that also makes no sense. Kindly address that discrepancy via something such as a short flashback or an answer from A-Shui to Tang Lici's question, if Gui Mudan's puppet child is involved.
I want A-Shui to be uniquely graceful and intelligent, not a doormat whose ultimate significance was that she couldn't even take revenge without being a pawn and when she takes revenge, she gets it all wrong too. What kind of female character is this for any intelligent person to champion?! Even my grandmothers don't believe a woman should be defined by a man, and both of them didn't finish schooling past the age of 13.
Hence all my edits because as it stands, current drama A-Shui is looking rather unadmirable primarily as a blood bank with inconsistent motives whose presence is due to too many loopholes of unaddressed issues.
Because of A-Shui's maternal vibes, some people picked up on the maternal issue which is why I quoted a portion of chapter 40 from the novel, when Teng Ping left unfinished a novel that she did not like and spoke disparagingly about, until said novel was adopted for the drama.
If a potential of a character is greater than what is actually portrayed, then what we are looking at is a weakly-written character. It is even worse when a character's primary worth is reduced to being in a romance for someone else. In life, I advise people to look at how others behave towards you in words and actions to ascertain who they are first, instead of being carried away by your perceptions of potential. This is also the same for dramas, because we judge by what we see as a smooth continuous story making sense, instead of loopholes being created and unresolvable due to trying to insert said character in the first place.
Shui Duopo is essential to the drama for Tang Lici and the battles between Fengliu Dian versus the Central Plains Sword Alliance, and Xue Xianzi is necessary to find her. With Chi Yun and Shen Langhun, the entire timeline could be moved up. A-Shui has no relevance to this.
What about the ledgers? We could alter the characterisation of Gu Xitan or Zhong Chunji, and it could work. The screenplay appears to be trying too hard to include A-Shui as a relevant character, instead of the other way around.
Chi Yun would not have to die (or at least die for another more substantial reason likely to do with saving Tang Lici), if Bai Suche was also not in the story.
For me, I don't fault Zhong Chunji for what she did (because I explained in a comment to Enigma05 more than 5 weeks ago) about PTSD plus her background in a misogynistic alliance and how Liu Yan really did a number on her. But we needed something more, to help us connect believably as to why Zhong Chunji likes Tang Lici.
Azure has two comments to this thread you should check out, especially about the loopholes of A-Shui which I noticed (I share one of them here):
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24394712
I also gave a reply to Azure:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24399652
If Bai Suche was not in the story because yes, she doesn't add to the plot, Chi Yun wouldn't have met the end that he did.
Palace of Fallen Jade with my changes would definitely be shortened, and we could further shorten the talking with Wanyu Yuedan after the battle was won.
Removing A-Shui plus Bai Suche would indeed result in a story that is stronger. Shui Duopo needed to be found earlier also because of Xue Xianzi, with Chi Yun and Shen Langhun accompanying Tang Lici.
The only reason why we even have A-Shui giving blood to Tang Lici via the lips is because A-Shui got kidnapped, and Tang Lici had to go and save her. This is majorly not a good way to make me believe a female character is essential.
Here's my question: As for your suggestion of starting episode 1 in the manner you mentioned, is this without A-Shui in the story or with A-Shui in the story? Does that mean if it is A-Shui in the story, the murders at the wedding banquet at the Hao Residence starts later?
There are legitimate complaints that Tang Lici, Shen Langhun and Chi Yun don't have enough interactions for this drama. They were also a huge attraction for the brotherhood and camaraderie that they brought on this adventure. Shen Langhun is my favourite Jianghu therapist and I am glad that he had a happy ending because of Tang Lici.
Chi Yun's death was unfortunately part of the trio domino rally of deaths to enable Tang Lici to reach his conclusion of sacrifice by the end of episode 39. I would have preferred Chi Yun not to die, but since he was accompanying Bai Suche... Hearing Chi Yun's theme song makes my eyes watery because of his ending.
Zhong Chunji's role would have been wonderful to give more facets to. That's part of the reason why I suggested one more interaction with Tang Lici. She could have been practising say, her ultimate skill which Tang Lici comes across, they spar and he helps her realise how to improve further with something insightful and personal- This is how it would at least make her later actions more understandable. What would you have wanted for Zhong Chunji in this drama, such as if you used my edits?
Being able to find Shui Duopo is because of Xue Xianzi. With Chi Yun and Shen Langhun as well, A-Shui isn't necessary to finding Shui Duopo, and Shui Duopo's presence would have been moved to an earlier episode in the drama because of Tang Lici needing to find her sooner rather than later.
The storyline can be rewritten in such a way that the details with the ledgers and talking to Sect Leader Jiang of Yanmen can be addressed adequately, which doesn't fundamentally need A-Shui to carry out.
A-Shui's role was weak, also because Lin Yun wasn't given much to work with. After seeing how Lin Yun couldn't pull off what was needed for micro-emoting in the monumental scenes with Luo Yunxi and Jeremy Tsu, I believe it is for the best that she was given specific limited scenes.
And perhaps you are right. If A-Shui had been killed off, she might have been able to leave a different impact. The letter ending was weak, also because Tang Lici's reactions to her big reveal and to her letter were weak. What happened previously between them was also not impactful enough in these episodes, and it all boils down to writing trying to accommodate a character that could have been absent from the drama without any issues.
How does A-Shui remember her father but not her brother? If she doesn't remember her brother, for what justifiable reason does she make all these sacrifices for Tang Lici, given how he is treating her? I would be super-suspicious that someone involved with my former senior brother (who wants to kill me and pretended to be me) in a murder suspect case can also miraculously save me with their blood. It's too coincidental. The premise of A-Shui making such sacrifices is very weak, so I would have to strengthen it with my edits but it doesn't address loopholes in the original drama to accommodate A-Shui as a character.
Having more of Ye Mo and Bai Nanzhu is what I wanted, and Jeremy Tsu as Ye Mo would have been interesting. More of Gui Mudan would also have been fascinating and integral, to tie all their roles together in how Tang Lici also experiences more-encompassing ideas and expresses as such, because of them.
Fang Yilun was a big wonderful surprise for me, given how he aptly channelled Heath Ledger as the Joker in that scene in episode 14 with Qiaoyi Qiankun. His chemistry as Liu Yan with Hong-guniang, and as Liu Yan with Tang Lici- When he was talking to Tang Lici in that final conversation, my eyes suffered from watering more than when Chi Yun died. And Chi Yun's death was something I already prepared for, before the end of 10 episodes of the drama.
If certain scenes had been rearranged, it would have made a lot more sense. The first five episodes are the most crucial, and the middle episodes of 19 to 22 are also crucial. If we had at least the changes I suggested, this drama would have been improved in terms of pacing and characterisation and perception of aesthetics at times being too favoured over the storyline.
That is also why he is iconic in HK film history. His movie "Green Snake" utilises Peking Opera in certain aspects especially for the two lead female characters and one male lead character, and he knew how to convey a good story with many layers. Sadly, the endings were usually tragic for his iconic characters. Luckily, he isn't in charge of the ending here, which I could enjoy. He would have been helpful for the streamlining of this story. He would also have enjoyed the opening, which literally screamed "Theatre" and "Chinese Opera" to me within the first 15 seconds in a captivating manner.
What I suggested for edits would strengthen all characters in the drama. The problem comes when people mistakenly believe more screen-time leads to better-recognised exposure, which isn't the case with a more-mature and picky audience. I also haven't been as ruthless as I should be with my edits, because I'd also be reducing the screentime of at least four other supporting characters and/or possibly doing away with one of them.
The other problem is that this cast is too bloated, so paring would have been a better option. I believe the producers and directors for this drama will learn from all this.
Chi Yun's song somewhat makes my eyes watery, with how much the song sounds like him and what happened to him in the drama.
I also rewatched Whispers of Fate second time, and I just shared thoughts on what I would have edited for this drama: https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24390284
Nobody starts reading RI or watching RI donghua for romance, so it was so weird when an account that talks about RI can't seem to expand on anything about RI.
[ I call this user as my 'obsessive lover' just the way Liu Yan is obsessed with Tang Lici 😂 ] - Liu Yan's obsession with Tang Lici is understandable and logical. The sockpuppet clamouring for your attention, after I told them twice on two different days to talk to you? Still hasn't answered you here.
By now, I am seriously doubting they are even a Lin Yun fan, because which Lin Yun fan would make Lin Yun look so bad with such fan behaviour? Someone with severe mental health issues who needs to get professional help is my current conclusion.
Feel free to send me weibo links :)
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24390284
Feel free to add your thoughts there too :)
https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146760-whispers-of-fate-worldview-timelines-and-other-details
I added it to my forum post titled "Group Collective Contributions: Details, trivia, insights across 40 episodes of "Whispers of Fate":
https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146454-group-collective-contributions-details-trivia-insights-across-40-episodes-of-whispers-of-fate
Contributions include underthestars with a very-helpful explainer and hidden-facts thread capped with a general timeline for all 40 episodes, alongside a very useful diagram. See how many nuggets you noticed! Start from the top of the post for the earliest episodes after watching an episode, and work your way down:
https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146048-it-s-all-in-the-detail-whispers-of-fate-explainer-and-hidden-facts-thread
Perhaps try Azure's post or the post by underthestars first?
I decided to make a post about what I would have restructured within WoF if we 're going to keep all these characters, which I have posted uptop.
Your contributions have been so important, and I am very grateful for your shared efforts too!
Fang Yilun plays Liu Yan who is very important to Tang Lici, and Tang Lici has been searching for Liu Yan for four years. If you don't watch, you will be missing some very beautiful moments and lines shared by the two characters across multiple episodes including episodes 2, 27 and 39 (one of their interactions did have my eyebrow twitching). Some tropes that could be seen in danmei are also present here. That is why another user said Yes to you, pertaining to bromance.
There is a user with at least six sockpuppet accounts on this page, and these accounts do their best to drive away people from watching this drama. I would suggest you try watching the drama for yourself :)