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I think Liang is ambitious and power-hungry, and he kept the attempted murderer around because he's useful. And remember, he turned down the position and said everyone's efforts should be to support Hai Yi. He was insincere, but his politeness was in character, and we've never actually seen him be nice to anyone but Huai Yen, so is that out of character? I've often thought his smile didn't look sincere.

Is that acting? I think he'd rathere be back in drag.

I don't think we've really gotten to see the full picture of Liang's character - but his smile often does look forced or fake - and I don't think what he's doing is out of character - if he's burning with ambition. Someone that young didn't rise that high that fast without leaving a few knives in backs. And that meeting with that woman who wanted to marry him was really sketchy.

I agree with you that it's bad, but I don't so much align with your reasons. We've always known Hai Yi was the chairman's son, so that's not an issue. Hai Yi accepted the challenge because he's a hot-head, and having conflicts with his father doesn't preclude loving him deeply, feeling intense guilt, and wanting to follow his wishes as atonement.

I don't think HBW has any right whatsoever to be pissed at Hai Yi - he's a self-absorbed childish ass who has never once bothered to ask Hai Yi anything whatsoever about his life or family, and if he chairman died and Hai Yi is the new Chairman, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out, but again, all he cares about is himself. And how is Momo the voice of reason? Everything she advises is manipulative and awful, taken out of bad BLs and manga. Wait 20 seconds to answer the phone? And remember, he said something hurtful to Hai Yi then stormed out of his office with the explicit purpose of forcing Hai Yi to chase after him, which is horrible - and he still didn't bother to think about why Hai Yi is the chairman, or pick up on how sad and defeated he looks - wouldn't you want to know what's wrong?

All of that is clumsy, disjointed, and largely boring, pointless, and directionless, but here's where we get to the one good thing about this:

Liang isn't a doormat, he's the villain of the story - he's been angling for control over the company all along, and wants to be in power enough that he's happy to keep the attempted murderer of his boyfriend around because he's useful to him.

Actually, just about everything about this is good. Except, unfortunately, the script, which is horrendous. You can certainly question and criticize Nancy Chen's decision to take the job as director, but at least she did a great job polishing a turd.

Are you sure the "nice guy" is a nice guy? Watch Ep 6.2 and then decide.

Sometimes the plot hole is the behavior of the character - that doesn't allow me to get into them, it takes me out. Like Palm turning his back to the thugs is just not something he or anyone else would do - he could just as easily have checked on everyone facing the thugs. There are plenty of BLs that are well-written and have coherent plots - it's really not that hard. It doesn't have to be ITSAY, it can be My Class President or even 21 Days Theory. ITSAY didn't really even have a very interesting story - it was just well-written and well made with fully drawn & realized characters - that's why people like it despite it being yet another high school story.

And how many people would be so care-free and happy if they'd just watched their mother get shot a couple of weeks after his father was murdered? That is not how anyone behaves.

I don't care how silly or fantastic the premise is - one of my favorites is Something In My Room which had a ghost as a main character and a girl who can fight spirits with her hair. What I do have to have is characters that act like people. The Palm's dad thing is dumb, but it doesn't bother me - the whole story is OTT. I care about Palm & Nueng behaving out of character to advance a lazily written plot instead of the characters driving the plot. Even Ai Long Nhai, nobody's definition of world-class writing, has consistent characters.

I really like the Ben and Chopper story because it's Chimon & Perth. You are probably right (although I think Ben really did like Nueng) but it was still a bit abrupt - we needed a little more, like maybe a flashback to Chopper's confession, with Chimon having a conflicted look on his face at the time - just something. In any case, it's not as discordant as Nueng and Palm frolicking all day just after their parents were violently murdered (as far as they know).

I still think Nueng's mother is the villain of the story and this is all her plan, but we'll see. Or she's the hero of the story and it's all her plan. Or Nueng's father is, because he's not really dead. Something soapy like that. All we can be sure of is that Palm isn't the hero of the story because he's too stupid. It's a good thing he's hot. If Chopper's dad really is the main villain, then the writing is irredeemably bad. If something is so incredibly predictable that I assume nobody could write something that dull and formulaic so I'm looking for the twist underneath the obvious, then something is wrong.

Like I said, all the Phuwin and Pond nudity + Ben & Chopper makes this watchable for me, but it needs to get moving, because this whole mother storyline was lame filler.

And I agree - Vice Versa was by a wide margin the worst GMM series so far. That it has an 8.3 makes me lose faith in humanity. Who actually liked it, and WHY?

Yes, that's my point. Why is a high school kid who's work experience has all been as a fisherman the bodyguard for a billionaire that people are trying to kill?

Well, Ken seems like he would be up for it...

I thing he didn't do it out of malice, he's just a spoiled rich kid who doesn't think about things like wasting food or the effort people make to do things. Also, Rak is so calm and collected that it was one of the first times we see that he has feelings that can be hurt too, and it was a rare vulnerable moment.

For me I was having trouble getting past the constant silly sound effects and the laugh soundtrack, but I got used to it and stopped noticing.

I think it's important to keep in mind that it's a sitcom and Diao is a comic character - if it were a drama I'd probably hate him.

Then who does Pon get? Well, anyway, I'm just happy to see Fluke act with someone with more than two facial expressions. All they need to do is not have him cry constantly and we can call it a miracle.

Judo is big and tall, so you won't be disappointed.

That was very difficult to get through. How big an idiot is Palm to turn his back on two people who intend to beat or kill him? He's he worst bodyguard of all time (other than in Golden Blood, KinnPorsche, and Unforgotten Night) - Nueng has saved him more times than the other way around. When the cartoonishly-evil crimelord said he was a little dimwitted, I was thinking, "a little?" When his mother thanked him for doing his best, I half expected her to add "too bad you're a useless idiot and your 'best' almost got us all killed." (But I still wouldn't kick him out of bed for eating crackers.)

As for plot holes, there is absolutely no evidence against Palm's dad. Did he spend money to hire people? No, and there is no trail to prove it. And why would he hire people that tried to kill him? Are we going to assume there are no security cameras at the mansion? I suppose not, since they only got a teenaged fisherman to protect the gazillionaire's son everyone is trying to kill. Thugs like those guys are likely to have records. There is no way the police are going to believe those two guys over the right hand man of a billionaire and who has served his family for decades. What would be his motive? No motive, no means, no evidence. This is a guy who can't even scrounge up a decent plan to hide Nueng, let alone plan a hit on his boss.

And isn't a little late in the story to fall back on the beyond-tiresome jealously over a girl trope? And why on earth would they strand Nueng in the middle of nowhere with no money?

How many psycho criminals are there in Thailand that they can't go anywhere without running into one? And is there only one motel on Ko Samui? There are 20,000 hotel rooms there, and some girl they know from a highschool half way across Thailand just happens to wander in?

So why am I still watching this travesty? Because Phuwin and Pond take off their shirts often, and Chimon and Perth are fantastic, even if their story makes no emotional sense. Also, that was one of the most jarring product placements ever. So Ben goes to he pool because he has something important to discuss, and then suddenly they're in the bathroom, still having not talked. So are you telling me Ben just followed Chopper all the way to the bathroom, watched him shower, dry off, get dressed, and groom himself? It's not like I wouldn't, but come on. Although it would explain Ben's snap-of-the-fingers transfer of his love from Phuwin to Chopper.

With the amount of money GMM spends on these series, can they not find any good writers?

This one has all the tropes and the audience score those high. We even had jealousy over a girl in this episode. It's not a quality series without that.

I can't believe he didn't think to dab him with a damp towel - that would have cured his hypothermia right away. Just plain negligent. Tsk.

OK, the freezer thing was just plain attempted murder, not bullying - but not calling emergency services immediately could easily have been negligent homicide. WTF? I mean, at least f$%& him to warm him up. "Please, God, don't let anything bad happen to him." You mean like being rescued from a freezer by an idiot who doesn't get him to a hospital immediately?

But I forgive him because he's a sweetheart. Dai Zhe Ni, on the other hand, is an awful person. He was just cruel to Hai Yi for wanting to celebrate with him. His attitude was childish and ungrateful, and he doesn't deserve Hai Yi.

But seriously, he's the worst protagonist since Theo in Enchanté.

I like Hai Yi, but I can't bear Dai Zhe Ni - I have to start skipping his scenes after 5 minutes because the rage starts building. He's an awful, childish, ungreatful person, and their relationship is a ridiculous bag of cliches and totally unbelievable misunderstandings and unwarranted jealousy.

The other couple is way better, kind to each other and communicate.

Are they actually going to pair Fluke with Nike? Or is Nike just the boss angel and listing him as main cast an error? The age and size difference would be kind of hot.

"Go with the flow" is a good way to put it. It's not so much not talking about feelings as letting things that are minor go because they're not important enough to have a conflict over, and the line there is, on average, located in a different place for women, as men in most cultures are expected to be a bit stoic. Since the uke is as often as not the writer inserting herself into the story, it's an opportunity to indulge the fantasy of having a big strong man with great abs to take care of your every need. Sometimes they get carried away with it and you end up with Team.

Take My School President. Who is the uke and who is the seme? You'd be inclined to say Tin is the seme because he's taller, but their characters aren't stuffed into boxes - and we never feel they're acting out of their well-drawn characters, and they behave like actual people do. Which is good writing.

It's fairly common for gay men to go with the flow to the point that it leads one or both of them right out the door, and they settle into being friends. Actually, most of my male friends are exes, and it isn't an issue. Imagine the average straight couple if one of them was spending a large amount of time with exes...

Anyway, this series might have been pretty good if it were about Tul and Wan - that was a situation that could have been fleshed out and had plenty of drama inherent in the premise. Although it would have been really stressful to watch Tul hiding his identity for 11 episodes.